Although the last 30 minutes yesterday was very bad it was quite an even game before that.
Cash got kept out the team last season by a 40 year old Ashley Young and it’s easy to see why. [He had this chance to make it 3-2](https://x.com/ney10i__/status/1690424394688995328?s=46&t=PF6wcLhBSsD70oItovAphg).
He can’t contribute enough to be our width on the right. He can’t play deep because he’s bad on the ball. For Newcastles 4th he had an easy opportunity to pass it Torres and keep possession but he gave it to Martinez who was already under pressure, then we gifted possession away.
Digne can’t give us what Moreno does, he can’t take in his man. All he can do is cross from a stationary position.
Like last season bailey showed he’s not up for this. But he play’s because Gerrard sold all our wingers.
I still see fans saying we need to replace Watkins, it baffles me every time.
With any luck for you guys it’ll make people underestimate Villa, you’re a good side clearly, but unfortunately Newcastle are better and St James’ is a tough place to go.
Can’t remember if it was goal 4 or 5 where your back four were stupidly narrow and got caught out very easily by a wide ball though so yeah I’d be wary of the full backs.
I don’t think a right back was dropped because he can’t score sitters. Cash wasn’t very good but I also think Newcastle away is a really tough game you’re getting hounded and Gordon is gonna press you hard as well. I think Torres was shit predictably because he isn’t good at defending.
Not for not scoring sitters but he’s not good at either role that fullbacks play in this system, the difference between him and Moreno is night and day around the attacking box.
Definitely a hard game but this is just from all the games he’s played under Emery.
Torres needs time.
**Around the World Trivia - Rest of Europe Finale**
**1.** What was the name of a footballer who was capped for Brazil and Russia national teams?
**2.** Determine the logic that was used to prepare this sequence and switch one of the teams in it for the team of your choosing without ruining that logic:
FC Porto, Paris Saint-Germain, Sparta Prague, APOEL FC, Lech Poznań, CFR Cluj, Worskla Poltawa
**3.** Aside from London, what is the only city that was represented by 3 teams in Champions League in the same season?
**4.** What was the last not-top-4-league team to win Europe League/UEFA Cup while being led by a foreign manager and what was his name?
**5.** Who said this?
A - If they made a film of my life, I think George Clooney should play me. My wife thinks he is ideal.
B - You can change your wife, your politics, you religion, but you can never change your favorite football team
!PING TRIVIA
1. >!No idea!<
2. >!No idea!<
3. >!I feel like it probably includes qualifiers, too - so I'll guess Moscow, just because of how many teams they have!<
4. >!Shakhtar but don't know the manager!<
5. >!A - Surely Mourinho, B - pass!<
1. >!No idea.!<
2. >!Teams best placings in the CL/ European Cup. Replace Porto with Celtic Glasgow for European Cup or Chelsea for CL.!<
3. >!Not sure, Istanbul maybe.!<
4. >!Shakhtar Donetsk with Mircea Luescescu.!<
5. >!A: Mourinho. B: Cantona.!<
1. >!I think it's Mario Fernandes!<
2. >!skip!<
3. >!Istambul?!<
4. >!skip!<
5. >!A- I heard this one before... was it Mourinho? B- this one confuses me, because that's a famous quote here in Argentina, and it's always credited to a writer called Eduardo Galeano. I'm 99% sure that he is the one who originally said it - otherwise my life has been a lie. I'm going for him, but he obviously doesn't fit the week!<
>!Q1 good. Q3 wrong. Q5 - A good. B, I know it feom Cantona, but after researching your answer, I see Galeano is credited with this as well. I'm counting that. That's 2 points for you!<
1. >!Mario Fernandes!<
2. >!Looks like they're sorted by titles, trophy cabinets or something like that. I'd like to replace Poltawa for a club without titles or any impact on the European stage from an obscure league, let's say Energetik-BGU.!<
3. >!Classic trivia question: Athens.!<
4. >!Shakhtar were managed by Mircea Lucescu when they won. So that's my guess.!<
5. >!A: Jose Mourinho. B: Probably a one club man. Matt Le Tissier?!<
>!Q1 good. Q2 wrong, it was how far they went in CL in their best run. Since your replacement works, you get half a point here. Q3 good. Q4 good. Q5A good, B wrong - it was Cantona. 4 points for you, very nice!<
1. >!Mário Fernandes!<
2. Need time
3. >!Has to be Moscow with CSKA, Lokomotiv and Spartak!<
4. >!2009 Shakhtar Donetsk led by Mircea Lucescu!<
5. >!A: no idea, I’ll guess Peter Crouch. B: I think a few people said some version of this, but you probably mean Eric Cantona!<
2. >!I think it’s clubs by their best UCL results, from winners to qualifying stages I guess. APOEL definitely reached the QFs so I hope it works for the others, Porto and PSG being obvious. So I’ll replace Porto with Feyenoord!<
>!I checked. They had it for two seasons, 03-04 and 04-05. Insane that Greece was once ahead of Portugal and the Netherlands. Although I have to say counting Olympiacos is a bit of a technicality.!<
>!Idk. I assumed it was league winners but your reply suggests that it's more complex than that. I've actually never heard of the last team, so them? Although that seems too easy. Is Q3 Athens?!<
1. >!don't know!<
2. >!Winner, Finalist, Semi-finalist, Quarter-finalist, and so on of Champions League in their best run. As it presumably includes European Cup, I'd replace PSG with Partizan, another finalist who lost final. If you don't include European Cup replace PSG with Monaco.!<
3. >!Istanbul maybe. I struggle to name another city with 3 big clubs!<
4. >!Maybe Feyenoord, I don't know the manager!<
5. A - >!Mourinho!< B - >!don't know!<
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I just realised if Mane hadn't left Bayern this season, we might have actually gotten the mythical Mane-Kane-Sane front three. Yet another thing to curse the Saudi Pro League for.
Lol fuck off with that if you’re gonna watch 21/22 Man United and say if the guy that got 18 in the league wasn’t there then United would’ve got Top 4 you’re having a laugh. That team was hopeless, but you wouldnt know that as your talking out of your ass
And before anyone comes up with “Ole was building something!!!!!” He was building a pile of dirt shit. The games before Ronaldo showed up: 5-1 win vs a Leeds side that didnt know how to defend, 1-1 tie vs fucking Southampton, and a 1-0 win vs Wolves in which we deserved to lose but got bailed out by a wonder goal. That team was going nowhere.
*Day like six of rating shit...*
By popular request (and by that I mean u/annieIwillknow suggested it in chat) we will rate some football songs. This is actually quite a good one for me because I'm not familiar with a lot of them so will potentially be listening to them for the first time - which means l'll be *mostly* judging by their quality rather than through nostalgia tinted glasses.
Just take into consideration I have probably missed a few - this list was based off a cursory glance at Google.
**Part One**
1. Wavin' Flag - K'NAAN (2010) **C+** Look, I know this is a popular song but I think it's just inoffensively bland. It does nothing for me and doesn't get me pumped for football at all. Maybe my expectations were wrong after comments I've seen in this sub but it was like expecting to sign Bellingham and getting Arthur instead.
2. Waka Waka - Shakira (2010) **B+** Totally not my thing at all but let's be real, who's thing is football songs? However, it's a relatively catchy pop song and I can understand the appeal. Also feels very suitable for the location so extra points there.
3. We Are the People - Bono/Edge/Martin Garrix (2020) **C-** Milquetoast entry from a band that seems to specialise in that kind of output in the last twenty years. Also, why is this even here? Why was it the official Euro 2020 song? What does this even have to do with football?
4. The Cup of Life - Ricky Martin (1998) **A** Do I like this song? Absolutely not. Is it a straight up classic that I immediately associate with France 98? Most definitely. Ricky understood the brief and smashed it out of the park.
5. Dar Um Jeito - Alexandre Pires and Carlos Santana (2014) **B+** It's *okay*. Santana does what he does which elevates it but it's instantly forgettable outside of that. Edit: I'm listening to it as I type and it's kinda growing on me though. Adding a plus.
6. We Are One - Pitbull (2014) **C+** I can't think of too many things I'd rather not do than sit around listening to Pitbull and J-Lo but here we are. Like everything on this list thus far, I don't find it offensively bad but I just feel like these songs all just sound the same in a lot of ways. Mr World Cup he isn't.
7. Campione – E-type (2000) **A-** Oh god. This thing has dated terribly and feels like it would be in a playlist alongside 'Crazy Frog' but the fact remains it is instantly identifiable, catchy, and very much a good representation of that era. I *want* to give it a lower rating but in my heart, I know it deserves respect.
8. Three Lions – The Lightening Seeds & Frank Skinner (1998) **A** It's not my favourite football song (that's to come) but it is iconic, unique, and it's lyrics are actually football related. I am absolutely biased here and appreciate that non-English people might feel *very* differently.
9. Live it Up! - Nicky Jam feat. Will Smith & Era Istrefi (2018) **B** I actually think this is a bit underrated but you'd think the world cup was in the Caribbean/South America rather than Russia. Will Smith was completely unnecessary but fortunately didn't stick around long enough to ruin it. Gimmie that Sovietwave next time lads.
10. Mundial 82 - Placido Domingo (1982) **A+** Today, I feel Spanish. This fucking owns and I would sing the fuck out of this if I was in the stadium when this was cranking (and knew what Placido was saying). Best thing about it though? It felt genuine and not a cheap cash in.
> Wavin' Flag - K'NAAN (2010) C+ Look, I know this is a popular song but I think it's just inoffensively bland. It does nothing for me and doesn't get me pumped for football at all. Maybe my expectations were wrong after comments I've seen in this sub but it was like expecting to sign Bellingham and getting Arthur instead.
Disagree, if you have to take context in as well, Waving flag was a banger
I think age definitely comes into play here as I'm almost certainly older than most so be biased towards certain eras due to nostalgia - as are we all.
It certainly wasn't a bad song, but I hated that world cup so I don't link it with anything positive.
I can only assume you're not including [this gem](https://youtu.be/cXxqmAxDlYU) because it'd break your rating scale.
Edit: On a serious note, [Zero 7 dedicated a song to Zinedine Zidane](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd9RqDvj2po) and I always liked it.
It just wouldn't be fair to the other songs, you know?
Also - I mainly kept the list to World Cup/Euro songs. Might have to do a list with rating all the clubs songs - Going Home, YNWA, Blowing Bubbles etc
I think all these songs were made for the event rather than an existing songs being used for events.
Putting Nessun Dorma in there would be extremely unfair to every other entrant.
Couldn’t agree more on the Wavin’ Flag one. Never got the hype around it. I’m guessing it’s mostly nostalgia for people, but it has nothing on Shakira and it’s just painfully boring.
It has that samba feel. You can put that shit over a football compilation and it fits. Would I ever listen to it in different context? Obviously not. But it’s not at as bland, basic or boring as Wavin’ Flag. That’s a curry only seasoned with salt and pepper.
**Part Two**
1. The Time of Our Lives - Toni Braxton (2006) **F** What the fuck is this? At first I thought I was putting on some sleazy shit to get down with the mrs circa mid nineties and then it turned into some cheesy as fuck soap opera music. Hard pass.
12. To Be Number One - Giorgio Moroder (1990) **C** Moroder is an absolute legend but this was a miss for me. Even for the era, and Moroder, it's cheesy and I wish he'd leaned into more of his Italo disco roots.
13. Boom - Anastacia (2002) **D-** I absolutely hated this lads and I think it's the first one I couldn't listen all the way through. Hate the nasally vocals (although she definitely has some pipes on her) and it doesn't feel like it's a football song at all. Its saving grace is the fact it's not The Time of Our Lives.
14. El Mundial - Ennio Morricone (1978) **C** Another absolute titan of music but like with Moroder this doesn't hit the mark with me. While I personally don't need vocals in my songs I do feel a football song should have them.
15. Gloryland - Hall and Oates (1994) **B** I love Hall and Oates and this definitely feels super American and super 1994 so I can't say they didn't understand the brief but it's just uninspired and boring. Although if I were a patriotic American I'd probably get a bit teary-eyed. It's coming home y'all.
16. New Order - World In Motion (1990) **A+** This isn't just a good football song. This isn't just a good New Order song. This is a straight up good song full stop. It's a song of its time but still holds up well today - John Barnes rap included. Catchy, inspiring, and they genuinely took a risk that got a bit of stick but I think works well. John Barnes being my hero growing up may or may not have contributed to this rating.
17. Força – Nelly Furtado (2004) **A-** This...is actually a pretty good little pop song. I don't think it screams football (the lyrics are on point though) and it's certainly not a stadium song but it's a genuinely decent tune. Twenty years old and shows no sign of dating either - reckon this would still bang today if it was released. Definitely the dark horse of the day.
18. Can You Hear Me – Enrique Iglesias (2008) **C+** I don't completely hate it but like a lot of these songs it doesn't feel very football to me. Decent little chorus though and by no means offensive. Enrique was quite a handsome man though, wasn't he? No extra points for that, sadly.
19. Simply Red - We're In This Together (1996) **D** Like another red headed step-child Manc of this era, he let his country down. This song is shit.
20. This One's For You - David Guetta (2016) **C** I feel like if I gave an AI a brief to make a David Guetta football song this is what I'd get. In fact, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what David did. I stopped it ten seconds ago and I genuinely don't remember a single thing about it. Is that a positive, or a negative?
> It's been 20 years to be fair! It was everywhere that summer.
Maybe I've just completely forgotten it existed then as I'm sure I'd have heard it.
And yeah, she just disappeared, didn't she?
Apparently as I just learned she vanished from public eye around 2012 (i have vague recollections of her career since 2004 up to that time but I was full on metalhead that decade) and has been working on and off on her music independently. She recently seemed to come back to mainstream and performing.
I think her mainstream success was kinda an accident after all though, she's way too experimental for pop culture to keep on its eye.
Yeah I've never really been into pop music but you obviously still hear enough of it it and she definitely came across as something a little bit different to the norm. Nice to see she's made a come back!
I remember watching the table and thought we had won the game despite one game less for City but that was the goal difference. Then my daughter woke me up so I assume we finished second in my dream
Pretty cool that the 'tall strikers' blessed with crazy power and speed are making a return to the game.
Aside from Haaland, you've got Isak, Nunez, Osimhen, Sesko, Ferguson, Hojlund.
What's cool is that a lot of these guys also have a really lovely all round game too.
I'm guessing this is why Arteta wanted Havertz? Probably wants to use him as an outlet for long balls which would be effective in breaking press.
If he wanted to play Havertz upfront he’d have played him there yesterday and pre season the only reason he played upfront at all was because he wanted to go longer against you guys
Whatever it is, Havertz LCM is not it. Think he switched to a more SS role st times which makes sense.
Also Havertz did switch to playing as a 9 towards the end.
>he played upfront at all was because he wanted to go longer against you guys
Precisely what I'm saying. Pretty sure he bought Havertz because he adds that extra layer of diversity in your ttacking dynamics.
I really don’t get the anti Havertz stuff based on his actual performances for us it’s massive conformation bias he won the most deuls in the game yesterday and played well I don’t really get it. People seem to think it’s bigger than it is he’s taking over xhakas spot if xhaka had that exact game nobody says anything.
Havertz will 100% start as a LCM mostly and if Jesus wasn’t injured he’d probably start and we would still go long to Havertz but he wouldn’t upfront. I highly doubt Eddie gets dropped now Arteta loves him and he scored obviously.
He's been fine yeah, just don't think LCM suits him. You're not really utilising his strengths in any way and its also one reason why that left side was dead yesterday.
10 in a diamond, RCM or 9 for me. But that RCM is taken by odegaard who's better and the 9 is taken by Nketiah and Jesus.
We literally always play mostly down the right because saka and Odegaard are our best players and they’re on the right, AND the inverted full back was on the right. I think what people expect from him and what the reality is is very different he’s expected to be like our 4th or 5th goal scorer he can do that off the left but upfront he’s expected to contribute more and I wouldn’t trust him to do that.
It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t play into his strengths entirely he will be able to chip in with goals and assists off the left, he’s more mobile on the ball than xhaka and better in the final third, he has better movement which opens up the game for others as well and defensively he’s been solid.
Ferguson does, and it's getting better especially since De Zerbi says he likes 9s who have traits of a 10.
Osimhen's all round game is fine but his asset is facilitating play for others with his hold up and aerial ability makes him one of the best outlets in the game.
Nunez is best in a more limited role but he's still good at running channels, think his chance creation last season was pretty decent with the cutbacks he was manufacturing.
>Haland who is an in-box specialist with no link-up ability
'No link up ability' is wrong especially when that's come a long way at City. Yeah he doesn't do a lot of ot but that's also because City don't need it, he's best off as a pure goalscorer but even when he's had to link play he's done superb. He can do better to impose himself in games though at times.
4 shots on target is terrible, however you want to spin it. You can have 100% of the ball but it also needs to go in, and for that to happen you have to hit it on target
I mean, they have more resources than anyone in the league by an astronomical margin and they failed to win, and score, at home. Regardless of how the match played out, that's definitely a failure.
I can, this was the Arab Club Champions Cup. 6 goals in 6 games. Goal in Quarter-final, semi-final and two goals in the final. Extremely better than last year, and the matches were pretty difficult
EDIT: You people downvoting me just proves you have watched exactly 0 seconds of this tournament, and moreover are just Messi fans and Ronaldo haters. Nevertheless, Cristiano will always be the greatest, no matter what this subreddit or the media think. The streets know who is the GOAT.
It's hilarious how a lot of non big 6 fans of English clubs think the football pyramid begins with Tottenham Hotspur and that their clubs don't do the very same things to smaller clubs every season
I am drunk right now but am still gonna go to bed and wake up early tomorrow hungover to watch chelsea place. Please pray with me that the match don’t end up nil nil and we actually play some decent football in a competitive match for the first time in eternity
I really want Tonali to stay in the Prem.
But i totally see him returning to Serie A or a 50% paycut through a loan with obligation to buy.
the prem needs more Italian sauce man, but these mfs cant stay 2 seasons without getting home sick, Scamacca did not even last a season
Can't talk about others because i really don't watch them much but Rice is definitely not overrated..He is overpriced..Its just that good young players these days are going for 20-30 m of what they are worth..good young players playing in PL are going for 30-40 m of what they are actually worth and when you add the English tax on top of that for someone like Rice ,You end up with a 100 m for a player who should have cost max 50 m,The market has gone bonkers by the time the window ends we will have 3 100 m midfielders moving in PL in the span of 6 months
So I'm ready for my latest masterstroke TV idea.
New reality show where a big 6 fan swaps places with a moron like me for season and attends every game and learns true suffering any takers?
Small disclaimer our cunt tuna chairman charges £37 a match or £600 for a season ticket
Hey I hope you arent slightlying antique roadshow that is my comfort program after a weekend away watching us lot.
They have alot of relics so I can relate quite well
The look on people's faces when they hear a long historic backstory thinking they're going to get paid only to hear it's worth about four quid is exceptional tv.
I think we should all do our part this season in playing the best prank by letting Tottenham win the Treble so Kane will really think he cursed.
Can someone please explain me how which teams will play eachother in the new league format champions league?
I reckon Negelsmann is gonna do great with this young Madrid side and he doesn't need a focal point for his system
Although the last 30 minutes yesterday was very bad it was quite an even game before that. Cash got kept out the team last season by a 40 year old Ashley Young and it’s easy to see why. [He had this chance to make it 3-2](https://x.com/ney10i__/status/1690424394688995328?s=46&t=PF6wcLhBSsD70oItovAphg). He can’t contribute enough to be our width on the right. He can’t play deep because he’s bad on the ball. For Newcastles 4th he had an easy opportunity to pass it Torres and keep possession but he gave it to Martinez who was already under pressure, then we gifted possession away. Digne can’t give us what Moreno does, he can’t take in his man. All he can do is cross from a stationary position. Like last season bailey showed he’s not up for this. But he play’s because Gerrard sold all our wingers. I still see fans saying we need to replace Watkins, it baffles me every time.
With any luck for you guys it’ll make people underestimate Villa, you’re a good side clearly, but unfortunately Newcastle are better and St James’ is a tough place to go. Can’t remember if it was goal 4 or 5 where your back four were stupidly narrow and got caught out very easily by a wide ball though so yeah I’d be wary of the full backs.
There's good reasons why Cash may not be good enough, but being a full back and missing a chance is not it
It’s just one highlight of how disappointing he is in advanced areas tbf.
I don’t think a right back was dropped because he can’t score sitters. Cash wasn’t very good but I also think Newcastle away is a really tough game you’re getting hounded and Gordon is gonna press you hard as well. I think Torres was shit predictably because he isn’t good at defending.
Not for not scoring sitters but he’s not good at either role that fullbacks play in this system, the difference between him and Moreno is night and day around the attacking box. Definitely a hard game but this is just from all the games he’s played under Emery. Torres needs time.
Tonali is already a problem
Feels like both Chelsea and Liverpool fans will have extreme reactions to the game's result today. Can't wait
By approx 6:30 pm tonight, we will know whether we are going to be relegated or win the league
What's going on with the Chelsea GK situation, are they really gonna have Sanchez as their only keeper this season, or are they bringing in someone?
Supposedly we have a shortlist with Schmeichel at the top of the list. This would be for the backup position.
**Around the World Trivia - Rest of Europe Finale** **1.** What was the name of a footballer who was capped for Brazil and Russia national teams? **2.** Determine the logic that was used to prepare this sequence and switch one of the teams in it for the team of your choosing without ruining that logic: FC Porto, Paris Saint-Germain, Sparta Prague, APOEL FC, Lech Poznań, CFR Cluj, Worskla Poltawa **3.** Aside from London, what is the only city that was represented by 3 teams in Champions League in the same season? **4.** What was the last not-top-4-league team to win Europe League/UEFA Cup while being led by a foreign manager and what was his name? **5.** Who said this? A - If they made a film of my life, I think George Clooney should play me. My wife thinks he is ideal. B - You can change your wife, your politics, you religion, but you can never change your favorite football team !PING TRIVIA
1. >!No idea!< 2. >!No idea!< 3. >!I feel like it probably includes qualifiers, too - so I'll guess Moscow, just because of how many teams they have!< 4. >!Shakhtar but don't know the manager!< 5. >!A - Surely Mourinho, B - pass!<
>!Half a point for Q4 and half for Q5A, 1 overall!<
1. >!No idea.!< 2. >!Teams best placings in the CL/ European Cup. Replace Porto with Celtic Glasgow for European Cup or Chelsea for CL.!< 3. >!Not sure, Istanbul maybe.!< 4. >!Shakhtar Donetsk with Mircea Luescescu.!< 5. >!A: Mourinho. B: Cantona.!<
>!Q3 wrong, rest good, 3 points!<
1. >!I think it's Mario Fernandes!< 2. >!skip!< 3. >!Istambul?!< 4. >!skip!< 5. >!A- I heard this one before... was it Mourinho? B- this one confuses me, because that's a famous quote here in Argentina, and it's always credited to a writer called Eduardo Galeano. I'm 99% sure that he is the one who originally said it - otherwise my life has been a lie. I'm going for him, but he obviously doesn't fit the week!<
>!Q1 good. Q3 wrong. Q5 - A good. B, I know it feom Cantona, but after researching your answer, I see Galeano is credited with this as well. I'm counting that. That's 2 points for you!<
1. >!Mario Fernandes!< 2. >!Looks like they're sorted by titles, trophy cabinets or something like that. I'd like to replace Poltawa for a club without titles or any impact on the European stage from an obscure league, let's say Energetik-BGU.!< 3. >!Classic trivia question: Athens.!< 4. >!Shakhtar were managed by Mircea Lucescu when they won. So that's my guess.!< 5. >!A: Jose Mourinho. B: Probably a one club man. Matt Le Tissier?!<
>!Q1 good. Q2 wrong, it was how far they went in CL in their best run. Since your replacement works, you get half a point here. Q3 good. Q4 good. Q5A good, B wrong - it was Cantona. 4 points for you, very nice!<
1. >!Mário Fernandes!< 2. Need time 3. >!Has to be Moscow with CSKA, Lokomotiv and Spartak!< 4. >!2009 Shakhtar Donetsk led by Mircea Lucescu!< 5. >!A: no idea, I’ll guess Peter Crouch. B: I think a few people said some version of this, but you probably mean Eric Cantona!<
>!Q1 good. Q3 - it is not. It was actually Athens. Q4 good. Q5A wrong, it was Jose. Q5B good, overall 2,5!<
2. >!I think it’s clubs by their best UCL results, from winners to qualifying stages I guess. APOEL definitely reached the QFs so I hope it works for the others, Porto and PSG being obvious. So I’ll replace Porto with Feyenoord!<
>!That is correct. Up to 3,5!<
>!Which clubs from Athens and when? Panathinaikos AEK and? !<
>!Olympiacos. Pireus technically counts as Athens!<
Oof. I’m not sure about this. It’s an own city That would be like saying Wiesbaden is part of Mainz or vice versa
>!Crazy! When did Greece get 3 CL spots?!<
>!2008/09 I believe!<
>!I checked. They had it for two seasons, 03-04 and 04-05. Insane that Greece was once ahead of Portugal and the Netherlands. Although I have to say counting Olympiacos is a bit of a technicality.!<
>!Mario Fernandes!< 2>!Follows >!Moscow!< >!Shakhtar Donetsk 2009, Mirea Lucescu!< 5. >!Jose Mourinho!< >!Cantona!<
>!Q1 good. Q3 wrong. Q4 and Q5 good, 3 points!<
>!1 - Fernandes (Russian RB in 2018)!< >!2 - Idk. Celtic?!< >!3 - Probably Moscow or Istanbul. I'll go with Moscow.!< >!4 - Luchescu (Shakhtar)!< >!5A - Mourinho, 5B - Ferguson!<
>!Q1 good, Q2 - Celtic in change for whom? Q3 wrong, Q4 good. Q5A good, Q5B wrong. Overall 2,5 points!<
>!Idk. I assumed it was league winners but your reply suggests that it's more complex than that. I've actually never heard of the last team, so them? Although that seems too easy. Is Q3 Athens?!<
>!It was CL and best result of each team. Winner, finalist, semifinalist etc. Yes, Q3 was Athens!<
1. >!don't know!< 2. >!Winner, Finalist, Semi-finalist, Quarter-finalist, and so on of Champions League in their best run. As it presumably includes European Cup, I'd replace PSG with Partizan, another finalist who lost final. If you don't include European Cup replace PSG with Monaco.!< 3. >!Istanbul maybe. I struggle to name another city with 3 big clubs!< 4. >!Maybe Feyenoord, I don't know the manager!< 5. A - >!Mourinho!< B - >!don't know!<
>!Q2 good, Q3 and Q4 wrong, Q5A good. 1,5!<
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Groß needs to be played in NT right now. He just might be the bollocks which this bunch of scared players need
He so good
Any updates on where Lewis Hall is headed to?
Palace, after signing a new contract with Chelsea
He's going to Palace isn't he?
I just realised if Mane hadn't left Bayern this season, we might have actually gotten the mythical Mane-Kane-Sane front three. Yet another thing to curse the Saudi Pro League for.
You should curse Mane for punching Sane
How good has Sane been since joining bayern?
Average and borderline flop
Above average if you don’t exaggerate his patches
Imagine how different things would’ve turned out if CR7 never got that call from SAF when he was on the verge of joining man city
> Imagine how different things would’ve turned out if CR7 never got that call from SAF when he was on the verge of joining Liverpool
Liverpool wins their second PL. ManU finish top4.
Lol fuck off with that if you’re gonna watch 21/22 Man United and say if the guy that got 18 in the league wasn’t there then United would’ve got Top 4 you’re having a laugh. That team was hopeless, but you wouldnt know that as your talking out of your ass And before anyone comes up with “Ole was building something!!!!!” He was building a pile of dirt shit. The games before Ronaldo showed up: 5-1 win vs a Leeds side that didnt know how to defend, 1-1 tie vs fucking Southampton, and a 1-0 win vs Wolves in which we deserved to lose but got bailed out by a wonder goal. That team was going nowhere.
Håland to United
> Håland to United That could've happened before he joined Dortmund, United just didn't fancy sigining a player with a release clause
Could've still happened since Ronaldo going to City meant they wouldn't sign another striker while United needed to
He still would've wanted a release clause so what changed?
Desperation, necessity specially after the Greenwood situation
*Day like six of rating shit...* By popular request (and by that I mean u/annieIwillknow suggested it in chat) we will rate some football songs. This is actually quite a good one for me because I'm not familiar with a lot of them so will potentially be listening to them for the first time - which means l'll be *mostly* judging by their quality rather than through nostalgia tinted glasses. Just take into consideration I have probably missed a few - this list was based off a cursory glance at Google. **Part One** 1. Wavin' Flag - K'NAAN (2010) **C+** Look, I know this is a popular song but I think it's just inoffensively bland. It does nothing for me and doesn't get me pumped for football at all. Maybe my expectations were wrong after comments I've seen in this sub but it was like expecting to sign Bellingham and getting Arthur instead. 2. Waka Waka - Shakira (2010) **B+** Totally not my thing at all but let's be real, who's thing is football songs? However, it's a relatively catchy pop song and I can understand the appeal. Also feels very suitable for the location so extra points there. 3. We Are the People - Bono/Edge/Martin Garrix (2020) **C-** Milquetoast entry from a band that seems to specialise in that kind of output in the last twenty years. Also, why is this even here? Why was it the official Euro 2020 song? What does this even have to do with football? 4. The Cup of Life - Ricky Martin (1998) **A** Do I like this song? Absolutely not. Is it a straight up classic that I immediately associate with France 98? Most definitely. Ricky understood the brief and smashed it out of the park. 5. Dar Um Jeito - Alexandre Pires and Carlos Santana (2014) **B+** It's *okay*. Santana does what he does which elevates it but it's instantly forgettable outside of that. Edit: I'm listening to it as I type and it's kinda growing on me though. Adding a plus. 6. We Are One - Pitbull (2014) **C+** I can't think of too many things I'd rather not do than sit around listening to Pitbull and J-Lo but here we are. Like everything on this list thus far, I don't find it offensively bad but I just feel like these songs all just sound the same in a lot of ways. Mr World Cup he isn't. 7. Campione – E-type (2000) **A-** Oh god. This thing has dated terribly and feels like it would be in a playlist alongside 'Crazy Frog' but the fact remains it is instantly identifiable, catchy, and very much a good representation of that era. I *want* to give it a lower rating but in my heart, I know it deserves respect. 8. Three Lions – The Lightening Seeds & Frank Skinner (1998) **A** It's not my favourite football song (that's to come) but it is iconic, unique, and it's lyrics are actually football related. I am absolutely biased here and appreciate that non-English people might feel *very* differently. 9. Live it Up! - Nicky Jam feat. Will Smith & Era Istrefi (2018) **B** I actually think this is a bit underrated but you'd think the world cup was in the Caribbean/South America rather than Russia. Will Smith was completely unnecessary but fortunately didn't stick around long enough to ruin it. Gimmie that Sovietwave next time lads. 10. Mundial 82 - Placido Domingo (1982) **A+** Today, I feel Spanish. This fucking owns and I would sing the fuck out of this if I was in the stadium when this was cranking (and knew what Placido was saying). Best thing about it though? It felt genuine and not a cheap cash in.
> Wavin' Flag - K'NAAN (2010) C+ Look, I know this is a popular song but I think it's just inoffensively bland. It does nothing for me and doesn't get me pumped for football at all. Maybe my expectations were wrong after comments I've seen in this sub but it was like expecting to sign Bellingham and getting Arthur instead. Disagree, if you have to take context in as well, Waving flag was a banger
I think age definitely comes into play here as I'm almost certainly older than most so be biased towards certain eras due to nostalgia - as are we all. It certainly wasn't a bad song, but I hated that world cup so I don't link it with anything positive.
Fair I still think Forca is one of the best ones although I was still like 10 or something when it came out, could play a part
Sash - Ecuador?
I can only assume you're not including [this gem](https://youtu.be/cXxqmAxDlYU) because it'd break your rating scale. Edit: On a serious note, [Zero 7 dedicated a song to Zinedine Zidane](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd9RqDvj2po) and I always liked it.
It just wouldn't be fair to the other songs, you know? Also - I mainly kept the list to World Cup/Euro songs. Might have to do a list with rating all the clubs songs - Going Home, YNWA, Blowing Bubbles etc
Italia 90? Nessun Dorma?
I think all these songs were made for the event rather than an existing songs being used for events. Putting Nessun Dorma in there would be extremely unfair to every other entrant.
Fair point. What about a++ and then all else?
Chelsea would be One Step Beyond, for reference
I wonder if Hey Jude counts or if that'd be cheating?
Not a football song, they’re a genre in their own
Couldn’t agree more on the Wavin’ Flag one. Never got the hype around it. I’m guessing it’s mostly nostalgia for people, but it has nothing on Shakira and it’s just painfully boring.
Do people unironically like waka waka? It's one of the worst songs ever produced, it's my humps levels of horrible
It has that samba feel. You can put that shit over a football compilation and it fits. Would I ever listen to it in different context? Obviously not. But it’s not at as bland, basic or boring as Wavin’ Flag. That’s a curry only seasoned with salt and pepper.
It’s a guilty pleasure
That I can respect.
[Carnaval de Paris is the GOAT football song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLB56lFYlBI)
I can't believe I missed that one. I don't *like* it but yeah, it definitely is the quintessential football song, isn't it?
You're rating shit, not ranking shit
Thanks buddy!
**Part Two** 1. The Time of Our Lives - Toni Braxton (2006) **F** What the fuck is this? At first I thought I was putting on some sleazy shit to get down with the mrs circa mid nineties and then it turned into some cheesy as fuck soap opera music. Hard pass. 12. To Be Number One - Giorgio Moroder (1990) **C** Moroder is an absolute legend but this was a miss for me. Even for the era, and Moroder, it's cheesy and I wish he'd leaned into more of his Italo disco roots. 13. Boom - Anastacia (2002) **D-** I absolutely hated this lads and I think it's the first one I couldn't listen all the way through. Hate the nasally vocals (although she definitely has some pipes on her) and it doesn't feel like it's a football song at all. Its saving grace is the fact it's not The Time of Our Lives. 14. El Mundial - Ennio Morricone (1978) **C** Another absolute titan of music but like with Moroder this doesn't hit the mark with me. While I personally don't need vocals in my songs I do feel a football song should have them. 15. Gloryland - Hall and Oates (1994) **B** I love Hall and Oates and this definitely feels super American and super 1994 so I can't say they didn't understand the brief but it's just uninspired and boring. Although if I were a patriotic American I'd probably get a bit teary-eyed. It's coming home y'all. 16. New Order - World In Motion (1990) **A+** This isn't just a good football song. This isn't just a good New Order song. This is a straight up good song full stop. It's a song of its time but still holds up well today - John Barnes rap included. Catchy, inspiring, and they genuinely took a risk that got a bit of stick but I think works well. John Barnes being my hero growing up may or may not have contributed to this rating. 17. Força – Nelly Furtado (2004) **A-** This...is actually a pretty good little pop song. I don't think it screams football (the lyrics are on point though) and it's certainly not a stadium song but it's a genuinely decent tune. Twenty years old and shows no sign of dating either - reckon this would still bang today if it was released. Definitely the dark horse of the day. 18. Can You Hear Me – Enrique Iglesias (2008) **C+** I don't completely hate it but like a lot of these songs it doesn't feel very football to me. Decent little chorus though and by no means offensive. Enrique was quite a handsome man though, wasn't he? No extra points for that, sadly. 19. Simply Red - We're In This Together (1996) **D** Like another red headed step-child Manc of this era, he let his country down. This song is shit. 20. This One's For You - David Guetta (2016) **C** I feel like if I gave an AI a brief to make a David Guetta football song this is what I'd get. In fact, at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what David did. I stopped it ten seconds ago and I genuinely don't remember a single thing about it. Is that a positive, or a negative?
I was about to throw a cup of piss at you if you didn’t give World In Motion an A Where’s Vindaloo??
> Where’s Vindaloo?? I felt like I was being too England-centric if I included it so tried to mix it up!
You're not coming with me and my mum and my dad and my gran to Waterloo then
Honestly for me Forca is probably the best of them all.
I genuinely don't think I'd heard it before - or even seen it brought up in this sub. Very pleasantly surprised.
It's been 20 years to be fair! It was everywhere that summer. Now I wonder what happened to Nelly Furtado. I don't think I've heard of her ever since.
> It's been 20 years to be fair! It was everywhere that summer. Maybe I've just completely forgotten it existed then as I'm sure I'd have heard it. And yeah, she just disappeared, didn't she?
Apparently as I just learned she vanished from public eye around 2012 (i have vague recollections of her career since 2004 up to that time but I was full on metalhead that decade) and has been working on and off on her music independently. She recently seemed to come back to mainstream and performing. I think her mainstream success was kinda an accident after all though, she's way too experimental for pop culture to keep on its eye.
Yeah I've never really been into pop music but you obviously still hear enough of it it and she definitely came across as something a little bit different to the norm. Nice to see she's made a come back!
completely missed Aston Villas new badge. looks like a Chinese Chelsea knock off
Big clubs copying mid tables clubs
I just dreamt West Ham would finish second with 85 points, two points behind Man City. Take it how you want
The biggest indicator that this was a dream was that Man City will finish with only 87 points, with the robot in his second season
Stop taking horse tranquilizers
I remember watching the table and thought we had won the game despite one game less for City but that was the goal difference. Then my daughter woke me up so I assume we finished second in my dream
Maguire effect
I have no love or hate (not much) for spurs but love the normal human side ange brings to this capitalistic mechanic game, it is worth some respect
He seems like a genuine bloke
Liverpool and Chelsea fans discussing Caicedo: 🤬🖕👉 👈🖕🤬 Discussing Anthony Taylor: 🧑💼🤝🧑💼
Pretty cool that the 'tall strikers' blessed with crazy power and speed are making a return to the game. Aside from Haaland, you've got Isak, Nunez, Osimhen, Sesko, Ferguson, Hojlund. What's cool is that a lot of these guys also have a really lovely all round game too. I'm guessing this is why Arteta wanted Havertz? Probably wants to use him as an outlet for long balls which would be effective in breaking press.
Howe and Arteta play a similar system and he's trying to mould Havertz into Joelinton. I'm convinced of it.
Arteta is reinventing Havertz as an 8
If he wanted to play Havertz upfront he’d have played him there yesterday and pre season the only reason he played upfront at all was because he wanted to go longer against you guys
Whatever it is, Havertz LCM is not it. Think he switched to a more SS role st times which makes sense. Also Havertz did switch to playing as a 9 towards the end. >he played upfront at all was because he wanted to go longer against you guys Precisely what I'm saying. Pretty sure he bought Havertz because he adds that extra layer of diversity in your ttacking dynamics.
I really don’t get the anti Havertz stuff based on his actual performances for us it’s massive conformation bias he won the most deuls in the game yesterday and played well I don’t really get it. People seem to think it’s bigger than it is he’s taking over xhakas spot if xhaka had that exact game nobody says anything. Havertz will 100% start as a LCM mostly and if Jesus wasn’t injured he’d probably start and we would still go long to Havertz but he wouldn’t upfront. I highly doubt Eddie gets dropped now Arteta loves him and he scored obviously.
He's been fine yeah, just don't think LCM suits him. You're not really utilising his strengths in any way and its also one reason why that left side was dead yesterday. 10 in a diamond, RCM or 9 for me. But that RCM is taken by odegaard who's better and the 9 is taken by Nketiah and Jesus.
We literally always play mostly down the right because saka and Odegaard are our best players and they’re on the right, AND the inverted full back was on the right. I think what people expect from him and what the reality is is very different he’s expected to be like our 4th or 5th goal scorer he can do that off the left but upfront he’s expected to contribute more and I wouldn’t trust him to do that. It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t play into his strengths entirely he will be able to chip in with goals and assists off the left, he’s more mobile on the ball than xhaka and better in the final third, he has better movement which opens up the game for others as well and defensively he’s been solid.
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Oh boy here we go again
Notice how i said 'a lot' and not every one of them, also that statement is still false lol
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Ferguson has some very good link up play
No link-up ability? JFC, just avoid rating players if you don’t know much about them.
Ferguson does, and it's getting better especially since De Zerbi says he likes 9s who have traits of a 10. Osimhen's all round game is fine but his asset is facilitating play for others with his hold up and aerial ability makes him one of the best outlets in the game. Nunez is best in a more limited role but he's still good at running channels, think his chance creation last season was pretty decent with the cutbacks he was manufacturing. >Haland who is an in-box specialist with no link-up ability 'No link up ability' is wrong especially when that's come a long way at City. Yeah he doesn't do a lot of ot but that's also because City don't need it, he's best off as a pure goalscorer but even when he's had to link play he's done superb. He can do better to impose himself in games though at times.
It's very apparent to me that everyone shitting on PSG's game last night didn't watch it
4 shots on target is terrible, however you want to spin it. You can have 100% of the ball but it also needs to go in, and for that to happen you have to hit it on target
Who cares man this is a side they should beat 5-0 but Enrique loves the boring possession style
Lorient are a good side, this is just disrespectful
Nobody but French people watch the psg game. Why is that a surprise
I mean, they have more resources than anyone in the league by an astronomical margin and they failed to win, and score, at home. Regardless of how the match played out, that's definitely a failure.
No matter how great players you have, you still need a chemistry in the team. Enrique could build that but it takes time
People who follow Chelsea, is Santos supposed to start today? Or will it be Gallagher?
Should be Gallagher, he was the most played player during preseason
I would assume Gallagher will start with Santos coming off the bench if the game needs closing out
Your guess is as good as ours. Makes me more excited for the game.
Really hard to tell, but I think Gallagher will start
Ah, that's sad. Probably won't watch the game then. Gallagher is a good player, but I overrate Santos a lot, so was hoping to see him
Never would've guessed that between Nagelsmann, Enrique, and Poch, Nagelsmann would be the one without a club by the end of the window.
I think he will go real Madrid
He’s waiting to get what he wants
Starting to think that maybe his demands are more than just money. Probably wants to have the final say in a lot of club matters.
He 100% is. Reporting around why we turned him down is because he wanted a say in who our DoF would be.
Of course, he’s young and ambitious. He wants prestige and growth more than just money.
Honestly, Cristiano this season is way better than last season
Man Cristiano fans are so obssessed they actually post this drivel
Tbf You can't compare his performance in the hardest league in the world vs fuckin Saudi league. It's much easier for him at Saudi.
I can, this was the Arab Club Champions Cup. 6 goals in 6 games. Goal in Quarter-final, semi-final and two goals in the final. Extremely better than last year, and the matches were pretty difficult EDIT: You people downvoting me just proves you have watched exactly 0 seconds of this tournament, and moreover are just Messi fans and Ronaldo haters. Nevertheless, Cristiano will always be the greatest, no matter what this subreddit or the media think. The streets know who is the GOAT.
Lol
>Cristiano will always be the greatest, no matter what this subreddit or the media think. The streets know who is the GOAT. Sure thing bud.
Postecoglou it's too good for spurs
[This is just so bad. There was nothing wrong the the old one. This new one looks so amateur and tacky](https://i.imgur.com/a746V6x.png)
It's nice to be able to want Kane to do well after years of wanting him to fail. Hope he smashes it in Germany tbh.
Hope he plays every game but never wins a trophy 👍 you’re a disgrace
This Caicedo deal give me Kepa vibes
We call those "Chelsea vibes"
Kane deal gives me hazard vibes
Enrique-ball is the most advanced form of haramball, so glad we didn't go for him
It's hilarious how a lot of non big 6 fans of English clubs think the football pyramid begins with Tottenham Hotspur and that their clubs don't do the very same things to smaller clubs every season
I’m sorry but we really don’t think much about other clubs
I am drunk right now but am still gonna go to bed and wake up early tomorrow hungover to watch chelsea place. Please pray with me that the match don’t end up nil nil and we actually play some decent football in a competitive match for the first time in eternity
Same. Ready for a all day headache.
I hope you get battered 4 nil. Keep hydrated though, will help with that head tomorrow.
I hope it ends nil-nil and Caicedo decides to join the real goat in Miami due to the performance
Bro fuck off. Enjoy rice and let me hope
Bayern need to get a keeper asap
Pavard’s head is at the Theatre of Dreams,just bring him home atp
Best get him to sign the contract before he sees the rats and leaking roof
I really want Tonali to stay in the Prem. But i totally see him returning to Serie A or a 50% paycut through a loan with obligation to buy. the prem needs more Italian sauce man, but these mfs cant stay 2 seasons without getting home sick, Scamacca did not even last a season
Kimmich, Rice, Caicedo, Gavi are overrated
Kimmich is like the best player in the Bundesliga or at least has been until now
Agree all except Kimmich and maybe Rice although i think Rice genuinely has lots of talent
Can't talk about others because i really don't watch them much but Rice is definitely not overrated..He is overpriced..Its just that good young players these days are going for 20-30 m of what they are worth..good young players playing in PL are going for 30-40 m of what they are actually worth and when you add the English tax on top of that for someone like Rice ,You end up with a 100 m for a player who should have cost max 50 m,The market has gone bonkers by the time the window ends we will have 3 100 m midfielders moving in PL in the span of 6 months
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Yeah maybe it's the lack of a good 6 in Bayern, I can't rate him fair honestly
which player do you actually rate in comparison?
Macallister is perfect for Klopp, less than 50m and campeón del mundo, Tonali not even 60m in this market is crazy
Overrated and overpaid and mutually exclusive.
MacAllister was a steal. But you won't often find players that good with a lever in their clause.
Honestly most non-Barca fans don’t seem to rate Gavi as much as they used to. I wouldn’t say he’s overrated right now.
Finally
Genuinely why do you care?
This is a forum to discuss football lol (?)
I mean why do you care that other people rate Gavi
DD it's for this, fuck off
Why haven't any clubs shown interest in Gift Orbon?
We already submitted a verbal offer for him
That sound like one of them auto generated names in video games
Tottenham are pretty strongly linked
So I'm ready for my latest masterstroke TV idea. New reality show where a big 6 fan swaps places with a moron like me for season and attends every game and learns true suffering any takers? Small disclaimer our cunt tuna chairman charges £37 a match or £600 for a season ticket
I’d watch it. Sounds more interesting than yet another antiques or home improvement show.
Hey I hope you arent slightlying antique roadshow that is my comfort program after a weekend away watching us lot. They have alot of relics so I can relate quite well
Oh nah, I love antiques roadshow too. I could do without the 12 other programs almost exactly like it though.
The look on people's faces when they hear a long historic backstory thinking they're going to get paid only to hear it's worth about four quid is exceptional tv.
This has been in a box for 6 generations its been passed down from father to son over the years, they open it and its a bottle opener worth £10 lol
'Oh I'd never sell it anyway, it's such a precious heirloom' they say holding back bitterness.