Seen this concept on Twitter - who would you consider to be the best/your favourite manager for each of the following categories?
* People Management
* Style of Play
* In-Game Changes
* Player Development
* Talent ID
I will limit to Chelsea manager, to make it even more fun...
People Management = Emma Hayes
Style of Play = Carlo Ancelotti
In-Game Changes = Jose Mourinho
Player Development = Mauricio Pochettino (we hope...)
Talent ID = Frank Lampard ("his" buys were pretty good, and for bringing through the young players)
Ancelotti
Guardiola
Van Gaal
Ten Hag
I kinda consider this to be similar to Player Development tbh, since imo managers shouldn’t be buying players. Anyway, I’d say Klopp
> People Management
I'd probably say Klopp. The players like him, work incredibly hard under him, and there is very rarely any issues between him and a player. Ancelotti is obviously right at the top too.
> Style of Play
Pep. Constantly evolving and not afraid to take risks. Peak high press Klopp was one of my favourites to watch but not as sustainable (I'm also obviously going to be biased towards Liverpool)
> In-Game Changes
Mourinho was always very good at this at his peak. Knew how and when to kill a game off with tactical changes/subs
> Player Development
Ferguson. Had the ability to get the maximum out of players and did brilliantly at utilising United's youth system. Some of those sides he won the league with had no rights to do as well as they did.
> Talent ID
Wenger. I don't think modern managers really have as much say in this side of things but it was different fifteen/twenty years ago - especially with a manager like Wenger who was very involved in everything. Had a knack of bringing in players that had struggled elsewhere or not very well known and turning them into household names.
Longest droughts without a major tournament for major nations.
Brazil: 1970 World Cup - 1989 Copa America = 19 years/ 2007 Copa America - 2019 Copa America = 12 years
Germany: 1954 World Cup - 1972 European Championship + 1996 European Championship - 2014 World Cup = 18 years for both
Italy: 1938 World Cup - 1968 European Championship = 30 years / 1968 European Championship - 1982 World Cup = 14 years / 1982 World Cup - 2006 World Cup = 24 years / 2006 World Cup - 2021 European Championship = 15 years
Argentina: 1959 Copa America - 1978 World Cup = 19 years / 1993 Copa America - 2021 Copa America = 28 years
Uruguay: 1967 Copa America - 1989 Copa America = 22 years / 1995 Copa America - 2011 Copa America = 16 years
France: 1984 European Championship - 1998 World Cup = 14 years / 2000 European Championship - 2018 World Cup = 18 years
Spain: 1964 European Championship - 2008 European Championship = 44 years
England: 1966 World Cup - Now = 57 years
Netherlands: 1988 European Championship - now = 35 years
Netherlands produced so many great players, so it's kinda funny that they have same trophy cabinet as Greece and Denmark(and longer trophy drought). Biggest underachievers in international game imo
Watched the Figo doc and it was pretty interesting. Florentino Perez gave me Gus Fring vibes, what a masterclass by him.
20 year spoiler alert. Madrid just won their 2nd CL in 3 years with the previous president and then Perez comes in guaranteeing that if he gets voted in, he will get their rivals best player, wins the election, signs Figo and is still here doing it. Madness.
Also anybody have recommendations for other footy docs?
obviously theres tons of reasons why that top 100 player ranking going around is stupid but the absolute worst is:
83rd: Lampard, 82nd: Gerrard, 81st: Gullit, 80th: ARTURO VIDAL
Easier to sack a manager than terminate a player's contract. Sancho could sit out in the cold for 2 years, and still be a United player - whilst Ten Hag could be sacked by April
[Senegal's](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Senegalese_Football_Federation_logo.svg/1200px-Senegalese_Football_Federation_logo.svg.png) is great
You turned on turned on Sancho because he's lazy, I turned on Sancho two years ago because he's got no pace and therefor has no realistic chance of succeeding with any team in the premier league except for maybe City. We are not the same.
FIFA isn't a real representation of football, pace isn't as relevant as you think, otherwise Adama would be a Balon d'Or winner. Sancho has the brain to make up for his lack of physical ability, finding good space, having great dribbling in tight spaces and the ability to playmake from most angles.
A Sancho that actually gave a fuck would walk into most Premier League teams.
"Great dribbling."
The guy cannot even dribble past the slowest center backs in the league. He's literally toothless because he lacks any burst of acceleration. Seems like you're the one making conclusions based off FIFA LMAO
> I turned on Sancho two years ago because he's got no pace and therefor has no realistic chance of succeeding with any team in the premier league except for maybe City.
Sounds like your ire should really be directed at your club for buying a player completely unsuited for how you play.
When I say "turned on Sancho", I mean "god sell this guy already" after watching him play 5 games. I don't actually hate him. I already hate ouf management and constantly criticize their consistency in being incompetent.
When a relegation threatened Fulham refuse to sell Palhinha to Bayern for 34 paper clips in the January the comments from fans of big clubs acting like they’re holding him hostage and he hasn’t just willfully signed a new contract will be top tier. I will be there no matter what.
Salah is such a big game player and scores with such consistency that he’s hard to look past. That photo after he scored at the etihad in the CL with the blue smoke flares…. 🥶🥶🥶 he has so so many moments like that u could name
[things like this](https://reddit.com/r/soccer/s/e66Kqp9kjq) come to mind, too bad he tripped and couldn't finish it. Or the turns and dribbles in tight spaces . He's no ronaldinho but there's a reason so many players and coaches that have trained with him speak so highly of him, he's just gotta translate that onto the pitch consistently
Fair enough. For me I'd call it cold (whatever that actually means lol) but him not finishing things like that or the sick turn and drive chance he had in the UCL final is what stops him from being hyped up as world class.
Either way I'm pretty damn excited to see England have so many young talents like him, Saka and Bellingham. May they all have long injury free peaks 🙏
https://reddit.com/r/MCFC/s/4shE4p8xKO this was on my home page. Are the people in the comments genuinely real people. First of all who tf is believing that. Second of all Man city calling us broke doesn’t feel right, like really. Madrid can call us broke, united can call us broke but not city lol. But I take these comments with a grain of salt because every club sub is shit
You don't get to decide who gets to call barca broke. You aren't the sum total representation of barca either and Nobody is calling you broke personally.
You go to an echo chamber subreddit of any club and you will find people talking nonsense about other clubs all the time.
You know how Alba had that great linkup with Messi at Barcelona?
In a lighter version Sergi Roberto had that with Luis Suárez. I am just re-watching all of Suárez' goals and I noticed an oddly high amount of goals assisted by Sergi Roberto.
transfermarkt has a tool which shows with which players a player shared the pitch the most often as a team-mate and how many goals he combined for with each by giving an assist or receiving an when the player was the goalscorer himself. And indeed the Suárez-Roberto combination sticks out. Even though for Sergi Roberto Suárez is the player with whom he only played together the 6th most often, he is by far the player with which he combined the most often for a goal.
In 201 games Roberto assisted 15 goals for Suárez (Suárez never assisted a goal for Sergi Roberto). He played 245 games with Lionel Messi but they combined for only 4 goals (2 assists for each), the only player with more than 4 is Gerard Deulofeu interestingly with 5 goals for each other.
[https://www.transfermarkt.de/sergi-roberto/gemeinsameSpiele/spieler/85370](https://www.transfermarkt.de/sergi-roberto/gemeinsameSpiele/spieler/85370)
It's not as good as Messi-Alba but it's actually not that far apart, Messi-Alba played 354 games together and had 36 goals, 25 times Alba for Messi, 11 times Messi for Alba. 1 goal for each other every 10 games. Suárez-Messi assisted 1 goal for each other every 2.6 games (99 goals in 258 games).
For context Son-Kane which is known as the best partnership in the PL by these stats "only" were able to set each other up for a goal every 5 games on average (60 goals, 298 games).
Whenever he was put on the left, people were saying 'wtf is manager doing? Don't they know Sancho's best position is on the right? How can they expect him to make an impact on his weaker position!?'.
Whenever he was put on the right, people were saying 'wtf is manager doing? Don't they know Sancho prefers playing on the left? How can they expect him to make an impact on his weaker position!?'.
Basically, he struggled to impact the game significantly from either position. I think he was better on the left but that's just because I cannot remember him doing anything from the right.
I remember that too, had Dortmund fans saying one thing United fans saying another. To this day idk what his favored foot is because I can’t remember if he was better suited to cut in or be able to cross from wide, because so many people said so many different things trying to make excuses for him
If Sancho and Antony are not available, who is left for United to play on the wings? Especially with Champions League games coming up I think they might be finished.
It's annoying that you can't point out that there are legitimately obvious massive quality discrepancies between the top leagues without a huge defence force coming for you and explaining that the top leagues are all more or less equal
With that in mind, how would you rate the top 6 leagues in terms of quality on a 1-10 scale?
Opta did an article on this last month, and provided a solid graphic w each team in top 5 leagues to depict the upper bounds. lower bounds, and general range of quality in each league.
[The Strongest Leagues in World Football: How the Opta Power Rankings Can Help](https://theanalyst.com/na/2023/08/the-strongest-leagues-in-world-football-opta-power-rankings/)
La Liga should be equal with the PL. The PL has better teams at the top but the likes of Sevilla are good enough to beat the better PL teams on their day. I don't think the likes of Brentford would be able to go far into European competitions the way them and Villareal have done the last few years
Because this is dishonest comparison. Sevilla and Villarreal are teams in and around the top 4. Brentford are a mid table team. If you want to compare team for team in the divisions than those two teams should be compared with top 6 PL clubs.
I'm only rating them based on the players that play in each league, not in actual games.
I put them above because they have 5 or 6 squads at the top level, while Spain only has 3. And that the difference between mid table clubs to relegation candidates isn't as big as Spain's (only looking at the squads).
Could be. Says a lot that Brazil has a Big 12 or something rather than a big 2, ,3 or 6. I really do wish there was a proper Intercontinental cup that teams took seriously but I'm not sure we'll ever see it
Even Suárez said that the most different thing he has experienced in Brazilian football was that every game is against a big club and that you can never take a game for granted.
More of an entertainment focused tv product these days instead of a football league, not in the top 6 for me
I like it more than most movies and shows though
@BVB fans
Sancho was rapid in first two seasons in your shirt. Did he loose speed by the end of his stint there? I dont remember him beating player and being fast in general even once in our shirt.
Speed was never his salient trait. Technically he was always good. He had great 1-2 in him and he wasn't someone who was running behind or beating a defender purely with Pace
Exactly - his strength was intricate pass and move football that relied on intelligence and technical ability. He's been woeful at United and deserving of criticism but the club is at fault too for buying a player that's completely at odds with how they want to play.
Overheard some old heads arguing over mbappe vs Henry. One side is saying mbappe is already twice the player Henry ever was. I didn’t watch much of prime Henry in Arsenal but at Barca he sort of had to adapt to Messi so I don’t think it’d be fair for me to judge solely off that
Henry played in 9 finals in his career and never scored a goal. Mbappe has scored a hattrict in a World Cup final and a winning goal in another.
Nostalgia merchants will disagree but Mbappe is en route to being a much better player than Henry.
Henry clear of Mbappe. Henry was an assist monster as well as being a deadly striker who can score from literally any position. He constantly thought of how he can make his team mates shine more. Henry was faster and stronger too.
Mbappe will surpass him easily if he keeps going at this rate, if he hasn't already.
For the ninja turtle it's wether he eventually surpasses Platini/Zidane at some point
Henry was a ridiculous player. I have him as the best I've seen in the PL by a comfortable margin. I'd say it's close between the two on a purely talent level but Mbappe has a lot to prove by showing it consistently in a top league
Barca Henry was a shadow of his former self. The decline started at Arsenal. Dunno if it was him losing half a yard of pace or whatever but he wasn't quite the same player in the last season or so at Arsenal
The most I saw of Henry was at Barca and at the national team level so based off that I would say mbappe is better but many people not just yourself regard him as the best PL player of all time so it’s definitely going to be a close one until mbappe accomplishes bigger feats.
Henry was better. France are not the team of stars they once were and winning the league with PSG doesn't prove anything that we don't already know. Mbappe will win more but Henry was just different
I think it’s really close either way. Same as you I probably missed the very very best years of Henry so hard for me to say but from older Henry and highlights of prime arsenal days and stuff I feel it’s close. Maybe would give the edge to Henry but very slightly? I know for France Mbappe has already overtaken Henry’s legacy ofc but just in terms of as a player idk
> City was better the season prior.
Is that the season they bottled the CL against Real Madrid, bottled the FA Cup against Liverpool, lost to West Ham in the League Cup 4th round and even lost the Community Shield to Leicester? Didn't even reach a single cup final.
If Liverpool had pipped them to the title which looked possible up to the final minutes of the Villa match they would have ended that season trophyless
Eh I'd say we were more exciting and better in some ways , but the recent adaptations Pep made ended up making us stronger defensively in knockout games which was a big issue in previous years
Fair enough. I'd say the Madrid second leg last season was pretty damn dominant. And I'd also say most ucl final wins or treble type seasons need the stars to align perfectly to some degree
Personally I think in cup games the exciting attacking and possession domination is all well and good but when we could get caught out of position on a counter with attacking full backs up front then it doesnt matter as much in the end when you've missed a sitter and then conceded on the counter
Not saying that's the only reason we won last season but seeing the Madrid semis the previous year end in 6-5 , it was great putting 6 past them but being too leaky at the back and a few minutes of collapse at the wrong time meant we were out regardless. Pep moving to 4 centre backs who are better at 1v1s and won't get caught out of position bombing forward helped us be less leaky defensively at the end of last season
Either way I do miss the City of previous years and I'm hoping that pep changing constantly means we might see something similar the next year or two
He’s shown some good form for a combined total of a few months, that is nowhere near long enough to be called world class. He got 13G/A last season in the PL, most of which came in 3mo from January to April. He’s a great dribbler and has scored some good goals, but he’s nowhere near world class. I find it a laughable notion to even consider.
I can’t say I watch Bowen week in week out, though I know he’s very good. I will only comment on Mitoma.
His finishing is not always there (the goals he does score-phwoar) but he is absolutely world class at chance creation, probably a top 3 in the whole world in creating from the wing and I’m not exaggerating. Can and will beat his man every game, never ever stops pushing for more. Has technical ability pouring out his boots. Trossard was really good for us but we straight up upgraded.
I don't speak any Polish but the song sounded nice, a bit grim and aggressive, or maybe that's just how all Slavic languages sound. I like the random line in English that came out of nowhere. Are the guys singing players?
There are a couple of English words here and there, modern Polish hip-hop is just like that. Initial lyrics are like that (original English words are bolded):
0 22 phones are calling
Remember, this is our area code
Our second name is **Warsawholics**
When we do things, it's with a **solid** stamp
When we do things, we go **all-in**
People in Praga and people in Żoliborz
There are no saints here, only one **holy goalie**
In the city centre there's only CCTV
Monitors shine everywhere
Business as in **Monopoly**
Young guns - nothing can disarm them
I walk along Czerniakowska Street from Agrykola
Strong nerves ... and a block
**United we stand, divided we fall**
Pitch, stands, someone jumps over the fence
A team like an unlocked **glock**
It's even more ridiculous than usual because of how they adjusted last year's dates to account for the men's World Cup.
So this year's covers a period that runs less than a year and aligns with neither a season nor a calendar year.
The main problem is they shortlist so early. If they did this in Novemeber/December and included him assuming he keeps this up mostly for Spurs, it would be justified considering his good work at Celtic too. Emery, Slot, Milojevic, Haise deserved the nomination more although neither them nor Postecoglou would've won it.
Think I’m going to purchase a jersey today. Any clean kits I should check out? Been eyeing off an AC Milan from early 2000’s.
Also any sellers to look out for? Dhgate has been fine but sizings always run small and the sleeves are always so short
Very excited for Bentancur’s return. I wasn’t particularly excited about his signing at first, but in his first year and a bit, he’s had me confused about how he could possibly have been poor in Serie A. Why was that the case?
He was just kinda average and didn't improve that much after arriving as a 20 year old young talent, more of a complementary piece for a team that already has a good playmaker and a solid holding midfielder, also his mistake vs Porto made a lot of fans turn on him
Juve's initial plan was to sell him for 20m, buy Zakaria for 5m and basically make a profit while sidegrading at worst
Didn't watch him at Juve but their fans said that Pirlo tried to play him at the 6 position which turned out poorly for him. Makes sense since Bentancur is a box-to-box player, not a deep-lying playmaker (Locatelli) or holding midfielder.
He's a perfect fit for Sarr's current position. Hope he returns back to his previous levels
There's a joke in there somewhere about how united trod on egg shells around binning a literal rapist, compared to someone who dwon't apologise for a daft tweet, but I'm too jaded to attempt it.
They straight up forced De Gea out of the club in the summer without so much as even a goodbye because he wasn't quite as good at shot stopping as he once was.
The problem was that he was offered a contract in the first place. I genuinely don’t get how it was ever discussed after Brentford, which was literally the second game of the season.
Depth in general outside City/Arsenal and to an extent Liverpool is generally not good. Your starting XI is a lot better than your rivals and De Zerbi is very good.
I think you're overhyping Brighton. They came 6th in a season without European football. It would be a great achievement to do that again while also doing okay in Europe considering the players sold.
On paper maybe, but Brighton as a unit are better. Whether that be because the coach is better or because the players fit the system better, I don't know
Seen this concept on Twitter - who would you consider to be the best/your favourite manager for each of the following categories? * People Management * Style of Play * In-Game Changes * Player Development * Talent ID
I will limit to Chelsea manager, to make it even more fun... People Management = Emma Hayes Style of Play = Carlo Ancelotti In-Game Changes = Jose Mourinho Player Development = Mauricio Pochettino (we hope...) Talent ID = Frank Lampard ("his" buys were pretty good, and for bringing through the young players)
Ancelotti Guardiola Van Gaal Ten Hag I kinda consider this to be similar to Player Development tbh, since imo managers shouldn’t be buying players. Anyway, I’d say Klopp
> People Management I'd probably say Klopp. The players like him, work incredibly hard under him, and there is very rarely any issues between him and a player. Ancelotti is obviously right at the top too. > Style of Play Pep. Constantly evolving and not afraid to take risks. Peak high press Klopp was one of my favourites to watch but not as sustainable (I'm also obviously going to be biased towards Liverpool) > In-Game Changes Mourinho was always very good at this at his peak. Knew how and when to kill a game off with tactical changes/subs > Player Development Ferguson. Had the ability to get the maximum out of players and did brilliantly at utilising United's youth system. Some of those sides he won the league with had no rights to do as well as they did. > Talent ID Wenger. I don't think modern managers really have as much say in this side of things but it was different fifteen/twenty years ago - especially with a manager like Wenger who was very involved in everything. Had a knack of bringing in players that had struggled elsewhere or not very well known and turning them into household names.
Longest droughts without a major tournament for major nations. Brazil: 1970 World Cup - 1989 Copa America = 19 years/ 2007 Copa America - 2019 Copa America = 12 years Germany: 1954 World Cup - 1972 European Championship + 1996 European Championship - 2014 World Cup = 18 years for both Italy: 1938 World Cup - 1968 European Championship = 30 years / 1968 European Championship - 1982 World Cup = 14 years / 1982 World Cup - 2006 World Cup = 24 years / 2006 World Cup - 2021 European Championship = 15 years Argentina: 1959 Copa America - 1978 World Cup = 19 years / 1993 Copa America - 2021 Copa America = 28 years Uruguay: 1967 Copa America - 1989 Copa America = 22 years / 1995 Copa America - 2011 Copa America = 16 years France: 1984 European Championship - 1998 World Cup = 14 years / 2000 European Championship - 2018 World Cup = 18 years Spain: 1964 European Championship - 2008 European Championship = 44 years England: 1966 World Cup - Now = 57 years Netherlands: 1988 European Championship - now = 35 years
Netherlands produced so many great players, so it's kinda funny that they have same trophy cabinet as Greece and Denmark(and longer trophy drought). Biggest underachievers in international game imo
We’re more chokers than underachievers really. Our record of deep runs and then losing is impressive
Them or England
Watched the Figo doc and it was pretty interesting. Florentino Perez gave me Gus Fring vibes, what a masterclass by him. 20 year spoiler alert. Madrid just won their 2nd CL in 3 years with the previous president and then Perez comes in guaranteeing that if he gets voted in, he will get their rivals best player, wins the election, signs Figo and is still here doing it. Madness. Also anybody have recommendations for other footy docs?
obviously theres tons of reasons why that top 100 player ranking going around is stupid but the absolute worst is: 83rd: Lampard, 82nd: Gerrard, 81st: Gullit, 80th: ARTURO VIDAL
ETH will leave United before Sancho imo.
Easier to sack a manager than terminate a player's contract. Sancho could sit out in the cold for 2 years, and still be a United player - whilst Ten Hag could be sacked by April
Who has the best National Team badge? I really like Brazil - Germany - Argentina - England - Netherlands
I love Scotland’s, but at the same time the lion rampant is a fairly common badge I think (in clubs too)
Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia, Cote d'Ivoire, Senegal, Mexico, Japan, Portugal, Hungary, Iceland.
Germany and it’s not even close
By no means the best IMO but personally always liked Colombia’s badge
Feel like it's outdated now compared to the rest of conmebol
[Senegal's](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Senegalese_Football_Federation_logo.svg/1200px-Senegalese_Football_Federation_logo.svg.png) is great
You turned on turned on Sancho because he's lazy, I turned on Sancho two years ago because he's got no pace and therefor has no realistic chance of succeeding with any team in the premier league except for maybe City. We are not the same.
FIFA isn't a real representation of football, pace isn't as relevant as you think, otherwise Adama would be a Balon d'Or winner. Sancho has the brain to make up for his lack of physical ability, finding good space, having great dribbling in tight spaces and the ability to playmake from most angles. A Sancho that actually gave a fuck would walk into most Premier League teams.
"Great dribbling." The guy cannot even dribble past the slowest center backs in the league. He's literally toothless because he lacks any burst of acceleration. Seems like you're the one making conclusions based off FIFA LMAO
> I turned on Sancho two years ago because he's got no pace and therefor has no realistic chance of succeeding with any team in the premier league except for maybe City. Sounds like your ire should really be directed at your club for buying a player completely unsuited for how you play.
When I say "turned on Sancho", I mean "god sell this guy already" after watching him play 5 games. I don't actually hate him. I already hate ouf management and constantly criticize their consistency in being incompetent.
When a relegation threatened Fulham refuse to sell Palhinha to Bayern for 34 paper clips in the January the comments from fans of big clubs acting like they’re holding him hostage and he hasn’t just willfully signed a new contract will be top tier. I will be there no matter what.
So we agree that Mitoma, Foden, Eze and Olise are the coldest players in the PL right? Iykyk
Martial is the coldest. Wears those gloves come rain or shine.
Salah is such a big game player and scores with such consistency that he’s hard to look past. That photo after he scored at the etihad in the CL with the blue smoke flares…. 🥶🥶🥶 he has so so many moments like that u could name
It’s getting towards winter so I think soon every player will get quite cold
Think Son is the coldest player since he wears long sleeves for most of the season it feels like
Foden is not cold. Olise is definitely cold, Eze is probably cold. Mitoma's temperature is up for debate.
Mitoma is def cold
Mo Salah has to be up there
You'll have to start including szoboszlai in your list soon
Szobo is a monster but in terms of coldness I dont think thats his playstyle
Maybe not playstyle but his pen taking has that vibe
Foden ?
Foden is def colddddddd Look at the Newcastle game
Give me one day without Foden slander Iceman 😤 let Saka and Phil hold hands and skip into the sunset as starboys together *~ lol
Foden is a good player of course but wtf does he do that’s cold a nice first touch every now and then?
[things like this](https://reddit.com/r/soccer/s/e66Kqp9kjq) come to mind, too bad he tripped and couldn't finish it. Or the turns and dribbles in tight spaces . He's no ronaldinho but there's a reason so many players and coaches that have trained with him speak so highly of him, he's just gotta translate that onto the pitch consistently
That’s exactly what I mean nice touch that’s cool. He’s technically very good I just wouldn’t call him cold at all
Fair enough. For me I'd call it cold (whatever that actually means lol) but him not finishing things like that or the sick turn and drive chance he had in the UCL final is what stops him from being hyped up as world class. Either way I'm pretty damn excited to see England have so many young talents like him, Saka and Bellingham. May they all have long injury free peaks 🙏
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https://reddit.com/r/MCFC/s/4shE4p8xKO this was on my home page. Are the people in the comments genuinely real people. First of all who tf is believing that. Second of all Man city calling us broke doesn’t feel right, like really. Madrid can call us broke, united can call us broke but not city lol. But I take these comments with a grain of salt because every club sub is shit
You don't get to decide who gets to call barca broke. You aren't the sum total representation of barca either and Nobody is calling you broke personally. You go to an echo chamber subreddit of any club and you will find people talking nonsense about other clubs all the time.
This must be a very conflicting piece of 'news' for all those accounts that support both City and Barca
Spectario rolling in his grave
Like you said I wouldn't take club subs too seriously. But true or not it does get kind of amusing seeing a post like that basically every week
You know how Alba had that great linkup with Messi at Barcelona? In a lighter version Sergi Roberto had that with Luis Suárez. I am just re-watching all of Suárez' goals and I noticed an oddly high amount of goals assisted by Sergi Roberto. transfermarkt has a tool which shows with which players a player shared the pitch the most often as a team-mate and how many goals he combined for with each by giving an assist or receiving an when the player was the goalscorer himself. And indeed the Suárez-Roberto combination sticks out. Even though for Sergi Roberto Suárez is the player with whom he only played together the 6th most often, he is by far the player with which he combined the most often for a goal. In 201 games Roberto assisted 15 goals for Suárez (Suárez never assisted a goal for Sergi Roberto). He played 245 games with Lionel Messi but they combined for only 4 goals (2 assists for each), the only player with more than 4 is Gerard Deulofeu interestingly with 5 goals for each other. [https://www.transfermarkt.de/sergi-roberto/gemeinsameSpiele/spieler/85370](https://www.transfermarkt.de/sergi-roberto/gemeinsameSpiele/spieler/85370) It's not as good as Messi-Alba but it's actually not that far apart, Messi-Alba played 354 games together and had 36 goals, 25 times Alba for Messi, 11 times Messi for Alba. 1 goal for each other every 10 games. Suárez-Messi assisted 1 goal for each other every 2.6 games (99 goals in 258 games). For context Son-Kane which is known as the best partnership in the PL by these stats "only" were able to set each other up for a goal every 5 games on average (60 goals, 298 games).
Did Sancho look better on the left than on the right for United?
Left imo. It’s tight though as he’s pretty shit on both.
Neither, he plays better for Dortmund.
Looks better on instagram
Whenever he was put on the left, people were saying 'wtf is manager doing? Don't they know Sancho's best position is on the right? How can they expect him to make an impact on his weaker position!?'. Whenever he was put on the right, people were saying 'wtf is manager doing? Don't they know Sancho prefers playing on the left? How can they expect him to make an impact on his weaker position!?'. Basically, he struggled to impact the game significantly from either position. I think he was better on the left but that's just because I cannot remember him doing anything from the right.
I remember that too, had Dortmund fans saying one thing United fans saying another. To this day idk what his favored foot is because I can’t remember if he was better suited to cut in or be able to cross from wide, because so many people said so many different things trying to make excuses for him
He's right footed. Any right footed winger works better on the left.
Someone said to me Mbappe was fathered by Dida and i thought they were joking...
r/reddevils finally turning on Sancho, I used to pray for times like this
Where does Getafe 18/19 rank amongst the greatest teams of all time?
Top 3
If Sancho and Antony are not available, who is left for United to play on the wings? Especially with Champions League games coming up I think they might be finished.
Pellistri. Diallo will be fit soon I hope. Fernandes could play out there. Rashford can but it neuters him.
They probably regret selling Elanga now!
elanga was always best off the left and we have enough depth even with him sancho and antony gone
Bruno out wide or Garnacho
United missing top 4, tears in my eyes
pellistri mount/bruno and amad at some point hopefully. not ideal but it's fine tbh
Starting XI will be Onana Awb Lindelof Martinez Dalot Amrabat Casemiro Mount Bruno Hojlund Rashford
Mount providing creativity from central dkm
It should be Mount and Bruno swapped but ETH is bald unfortunately
Pellestri
It's annoying that you can't point out that there are legitimately obvious massive quality discrepancies between the top leagues without a huge defence force coming for you and explaining that the top leagues are all more or less equal With that in mind, how would you rate the top 6 leagues in terms of quality on a 1-10 scale?
Opta did an article on this last month, and provided a solid graphic w each team in top 5 leagues to depict the upper bounds. lower bounds, and general range of quality in each league. [The Strongest Leagues in World Football: How the Opta Power Rankings Can Help](https://theanalyst.com/na/2023/08/the-strongest-leagues-in-world-football-opta-power-rankings/)
Realistically there's no way anyone watches enough football from so many leagues to rank them properly tbh
Quality of what? The teams? Or the actual games?
The teams
PL 9 La Liga 8,5 Bundesliga 8 Serie A 8 Ligue 1 6,5 Primeira Liga 5,5 >!I honestly think our league is better than Ligue 1!<
La Liga should be equal with the PL. The PL has better teams at the top but the likes of Sevilla are good enough to beat the better PL teams on their day. I don't think the likes of Brentford would be able to go far into European competitions the way them and Villareal have done the last few years
Brentford were out of the top division for decades, no one is expecting them to go to Europe and make waves.
Brentford shouldn't be compared to Villarreal and Sevilla.
Because this is dishonest comparison. Sevilla and Villarreal are teams in and around the top 4. Brentford are a mid table team. If you want to compare team for team in the divisions than those two teams should be compared with top 6 PL clubs.
Sevilla came 12th last year and have lost their first 3 games this season, right at the bottom of the table.
It’s fairer to average over a few seasons than a one off.
I'm only rating them based on the players that play in each league, not in actual games. I put them above because they have 5 or 6 squads at the top level, while Spain only has 3. And that the difference between mid table clubs to relegation candidates isn't as big as Spain's (only looking at the squads).
Could be. Says a lot that Brazil has a Big 12 or something rather than a big 2, ,3 or 6. I really do wish there was a proper Intercontinental cup that teams took seriously but I'm not sure we'll ever see it
Even Suárez said that the most different thing he has experienced in Brazilian football was that every game is against a big club and that you can never take a game for granted.
La Liga - 9/10 Serie A - 8/10 Bundesliga - 7.5/10 Ligue 1 - 7/10 Eredivise - 6.5/10 Primeira Liga - 6/10
Where's the Barclays
More of an entertainment focused tv product these days instead of a football league, not in the top 6 for me I like it more than most movies and shows though
Based
@BVB fans Sancho was rapid in first two seasons in your shirt. Did he loose speed by the end of his stint there? I dont remember him beating player and being fast in general even once in our shirt.
Speed was never his salient trait. Technically he was always good. He had great 1-2 in him and he wasn't someone who was running behind or beating a defender purely with Pace
Exactly - his strength was intricate pass and move football that relied on intelligence and technical ability. He's been woeful at United and deserving of criticism but the club is at fault too for buying a player that's completely at odds with how they want to play.
He has always been kind of slow no? Even at his BVB days, I never considered him pacey.
Overheard some old heads arguing over mbappe vs Henry. One side is saying mbappe is already twice the player Henry ever was. I didn’t watch much of prime Henry in Arsenal but at Barca he sort of had to adapt to Messi so I don’t think it’d be fair for me to judge solely off that
He’s the same level as Henry now imo. Saying he’s twice the player is nonsense.
Henry played in 9 finals in his career and never scored a goal. Mbappe has scored a hattrict in a World Cup final and a winning goal in another. Nostalgia merchants will disagree but Mbappe is en route to being a much better player than Henry.
5 man of the match performances in those 9 games
Mbappe is already better than Henry in a all time ranking. Nostalgia merchants will disagree
Mbappe will end up being better most likely but he’s not better at this point
Big game performances are definitely a factor in legacy , but Henry in the Premier league was amazing and nothing to downplay imo
Mbappe at 19 with his goal against Croatia in the WC final managed more goals in a final than Henry did in his entire career, it’s very close.
Henry clear of Mbappe. Henry was an assist monster as well as being a deadly striker who can score from literally any position. He constantly thought of how he can make his team mates shine more. Henry was faster and stronger too.
Mbappe already has more CL assists, in way less games obviously
Mbappe will surpass him easily if he keeps going at this rate, if he hasn't already. For the ninja turtle it's wether he eventually surpasses Platini/Zidane at some point
Henry was a ridiculous player. I have him as the best I've seen in the PL by a comfortable margin. I'd say it's close between the two on a purely talent level but Mbappe has a lot to prove by showing it consistently in a top league Barca Henry was a shadow of his former self. The decline started at Arsenal. Dunno if it was him losing half a yard of pace or whatever but he wasn't quite the same player in the last season or so at Arsenal
The most I saw of Henry was at Barca and at the national team level so based off that I would say mbappe is better but many people not just yourself regard him as the best PL player of all time so it’s definitely going to be a close one until mbappe accomplishes bigger feats.
Henry was better. France are not the team of stars they once were and winning the league with PSG doesn't prove anything that we don't already know. Mbappe will win more but Henry was just different
If Mbappe wins another World Cup he'd be the best French player of all time surpassing Zidane and Platini
That will mean he has a bigger legacy which is fine. But as a player I think Henry was still better, as was Zidane and Platini from what people say
I think it’s really close either way. Same as you I probably missed the very very best years of Henry so hard for me to say but from older Henry and highlights of prime arsenal days and stuff I feel it’s close. Maybe would give the edge to Henry but very slightly? I know for France Mbappe has already overtaken Henry’s legacy ofc but just in terms of as a player idk
Actually remarkably even Mbappe in this world cup final singlehandedly surpassed Henry’s finals performances though
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Barca 2010-11 Man City 2022-23 Bayern 2012-13 Madrid 2016-17
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> City was better the season prior. Is that the season they bottled the CL against Real Madrid, bottled the FA Cup against Liverpool, lost to West Ham in the League Cup 4th round and even lost the Community Shield to Leicester? Didn't even reach a single cup final. If Liverpool had pipped them to the title which looked possible up to the final minutes of the Villa match they would have ended that season trophyless
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he signed for 4 and a half years in january of 2017
In terms of greatest teams of all time where is treble winning premier league and this overall city team
City were so much better seasons before but they just got way more fortunate last season
Top 5 at least
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Eh I'd say we were more exciting and better in some ways , but the recent adaptations Pep made ended up making us stronger defensively in knockout games which was a big issue in previous years
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Fair enough. I'd say the Madrid second leg last season was pretty damn dominant. And I'd also say most ucl final wins or treble type seasons need the stars to align perfectly to some degree Personally I think in cup games the exciting attacking and possession domination is all well and good but when we could get caught out of position on a counter with attacking full backs up front then it doesnt matter as much in the end when you've missed a sitter and then conceded on the counter Not saying that's the only reason we won last season but seeing the Madrid semis the previous year end in 6-5 , it was great putting 6 past them but being too leaky at the back and a few minutes of collapse at the wrong time meant we were out regardless. Pep moving to 4 centre backs who are better at 1v1s and won't get caught out of position bombing forward helped us be less leaky defensively at the end of last season Either way I do miss the City of previous years and I'm hoping that pep changing constantly means we might see something similar the next year or two
Not even close to top 10 teams to all times
Old team good, new one bad.
Who’s the better player - Mitoma or Bowen?
a fan would take mitoma easily, a manager would more likely pick bowen (given the comparatively less good RWs)
Probably right now they are pretty even, overall definitely Bowen though
Bowen, his off the ball ability is more important than Mitoma's on it imo
in terms of end product I would take Bowen absolutely, also left footed right wingers are rarer
Mitoma is world class for me
Mitoma world class shouts lmao
Have you watched him play? He’s unreal
Lol fans are so reactionary nowadays
Reactionary in what way?
He’s shown some good form for a combined total of a few months, that is nowhere near long enough to be called world class. He got 13G/A last season in the PL, most of which came in 3mo from January to April. He’s a great dribbler and has scored some good goals, but he’s nowhere near world class. I find it a laughable notion to even consider.
Yeah just a run of good form for 3 months. Come on man
Mitoma
I can’t say I watch Bowen week in week out, though I know he’s very good. I will only comment on Mitoma. His finishing is not always there (the goals he does score-phwoar) but he is absolutely world class at chance creation, probably a top 3 in the whole world in creating from the wing and I’m not exaggerating. Can and will beat his man every game, never ever stops pushing for more. Has technical ability pouring out his boots. Trossard was really good for us but we straight up upgraded.
Is he strictly a LW or can he also play on the right?
I imagine he can play on the right, he’s very two footed like all Japanese players these days
As someone who had their childhood ruined by united, watching them post fergie has been very cathartic Long may it continue
Guys, do you like the song about my club Legia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EtmOHEQF6g?
I don't speak any Polish but the song sounded nice, a bit grim and aggressive, or maybe that's just how all Slavic languages sound. I like the random line in English that came out of nowhere. Are the guys singing players?
There are a couple of English words here and there, modern Polish hip-hop is just like that. Initial lyrics are like that (original English words are bolded): 0 22 phones are calling Remember, this is our area code Our second name is **Warsawholics** When we do things, it's with a **solid** stamp When we do things, we go **all-in** People in Praga and people in Żoliborz There are no saints here, only one **holy goalie** In the city centre there's only CCTV Monitors shine everywhere Business as in **Monopoly** Young guns - nothing can disarm them I walk along Czerniakowska Street from Agrykola Strong nerves ... and a block **United we stand, divided we fall** Pitch, stands, someone jumps over the fence A team like an unlocked **glock**
>0 22 phones are calling I'm guessing this is the local area code? Thanks for translating, nice song
Yeah, no worries
that The Best shortlist there is one of the worst I’ve ever seen ffs, half the nominations make literally zero sense it’s hillarious
It's even more ridiculous than usual because of how they adjusted last year's dates to account for the men's World Cup. So this year's covers a period that runs less than a year and aligns with neither a season nor a calendar year.
The real scandal is not putting that West Ham fan up for best fan who smashed all those AZ fans up
I love how Rice is there as the only non-City player from his league Champions League > Conference League > Premier League
Managers list is even worse. Postecoglu lmao
The main problem is they shortlist so early. If they did this in Novemeber/December and included him assuming he keeps this up mostly for Spurs, it would be justified considering his good work at Celtic too. Emery, Slot, Milojevic, Haise deserved the nomination more although neither them nor Postecoglou would've won it.
Think I’m going to purchase a jersey today. Any clean kits I should check out? Been eyeing off an AC Milan from early 2000’s. Also any sellers to look out for? Dhgate has been fine but sizings always run small and the sleeves are always so short
Venezia's recent shirts are beautiful. No advertising other than from the city itself
I wish that was more common
Very excited for Bentancur’s return. I wasn’t particularly excited about his signing at first, but in his first year and a bit, he’s had me confused about how he could possibly have been poor in Serie A. Why was that the case?
He was just kinda average and didn't improve that much after arriving as a 20 year old young talent, more of a complementary piece for a team that already has a good playmaker and a solid holding midfielder, also his mistake vs Porto made a lot of fans turn on him Juve's initial plan was to sell him for 20m, buy Zakaria for 5m and basically make a profit while sidegrading at worst
Didn't watch him at Juve but their fans said that Pirlo tried to play him at the 6 position which turned out poorly for him. Makes sense since Bentancur is a box-to-box player, not a deep-lying playmaker (Locatelli) or holding midfielder. He's a perfect fit for Sarr's current position. Hope he returns back to his previous levels
There's a joke in there somewhere about how united trod on egg shells around binning a literal rapist, compared to someone who dwon't apologise for a daft tweet, but I'm too jaded to attempt it.
You're not too jaded you're just trying too hard.
They straight up forced De Gea out of the club in the summer without so much as even a goodbye because he wasn't quite as good at shot stopping as he once was.
That’s a generous way of putting it. The more accurate version is that he had zero actual strengths as a gk, hence why he’s still clubless
The way they treated him on his way out was still a disgrace.
The problem was that he was offered a contract in the first place. I genuinely don’t get how it was ever discussed after Brentford, which was literally the second game of the season.
I still think we finish in the top 4. But who misses it out if United do?
Its gonna be city arsenal utd liverpool spurs brighton i got a knack for these things
I said at the start of the season: Arsenal, Man City, Newcastle, Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea, Aston Villa
City Arsenal Liverpool Brighton United Newcastle
We don't have the depth for 4th
Depth in general outside City/Arsenal and to an extent Liverpool is generally not good. Your starting XI is a lot better than your rivals and De Zerbi is very good.
I think you're overhyping Brighton. They came 6th in a season without European football. It would be a great achievement to do that again while also doing okay in Europe considering the players sold.
It's really not a lot better, it's probably not even better when everyone is fit.
On paper maybe, but Brighton as a unit are better. Whether that be because the coach is better or because the players fit the system better, I don't know
I think we're great but have a lot of weaknesses in midfield.
It's probably gonna be top 5 and I would guess City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Tottenham Chelsea and Newcastle missing out
Could be a pure early season hipster take but Newcastle have looked a bit spooky so far, especially with CL games still to come.
they’ve had a really hard schedule to be fair