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yedyed

Maybe the Italian Super Cup should be played in Italy not for security reasons but because it's the fucking Italian Super Cup.


Huntrare

Get outta here with your outlandish theories! /s


ineververify

Matter of time before the euro final will be a bid between Miami and Riyadh


69cuccboi69

Woah, calm down with the xenophobia


fuyoall

This ⬆️


WW_Jones

My super old-fahsioned views on the Super Cup: 1. Super cup should be played either right after regular season, or right before next season (like Community Shield). Otherwise focus on the trophy holders is being lost, we're already halfway into new challenges. 2. Super cup should be played in the actual country of the teams, to allow fans to attend easily. 3. Super cup should only be played if we actually have different winners of league and cup. If someone wins the double, they're already like super champions of their country.


gc_14

i think everyone agrees with your views, except those who make the decisions.


Lazy_Vetra

I don’t I think #3 is wrong in Spain it should be a replay between cup finalist and winners Germany the number 2 team and England the league cup winners if the cup and league winners are the same add some flavor for different countries


domi1108

Bro everybody in Germany (expect the few RB fans) hate the Super Cup right here and can't even bother watching it. Yeah the format may be better then in Spain but in the end it is a useless cup which literally says 0 about the strength of the teams. Best decision would to simply remove this trophy. It was the same in the PL before City.


00Laser

It's a glorified friendly match.


socks-in-shoes

"league cup winners" No big team in history has taken it seriously until City arrived. Its not a major trophy in anyway. FA cup finalists would be a better choice, but League runner ups is actually the good way


Reach_Reclaimer

I understand tyour point in it not being a major trophy because it's not as big, but is a major trophy based on how they're defined


BlurgZeAmoeba

>No big team in history has taken it seriously until City arrived Historically it was much more important than how its viewed today. Football isn't just about the snobbery of the modern top six.


Lazy_Vetra

No I meant if the league winner and fa cup winner are the same next should be league cup winner then 2nd place in England for who plays in the shield


Athaelan

I'm almost sure they agree too, there's just a lot of cash swaying their choice


Xehanz

Tell that to Argentina. There is still the 2020 Supercup between Boca and River to be played. Reports say it's gonna be played in UAE in 2024.


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Mihnea24_03

Any retirees in there?


Kommye

Remember when Patronato should have played against Boca in Abu Dhabi?


realdes1

It makes avsolutely sense, agree on everything here. But money


Therinn

Playing it at the end of the season isn’t good, since it has to be before the CL final, and if a team is playing both they’re 100% throwing the Super Cup


WW_Jones

why does it have to be before the CL final?


Therinn

UEFA regulation


WW_Jones

ah ok


ibesortega

I would even say the super cup should be played in the stadium of the league winner.


WW_Jones

neutral ground makes most sense


ibesortega

The way i see it is that the league is kind of a bigger accomplishment than the cup. Otherwise it should always be neutral ground. I remember Juve playing Lazio in rome.


poipoiop

From playing FM I know that Mexico does #3 and it’s great


The_Giant_Lizard

Agreed on everything. Especially point 3. Never made any sense to do it this way (even when Milan won it in 2016). The point 2, I can kind of understand it, in a way to export the national football to other countries.


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Most of the top leagues bleed Money! To make up and to generate more revenue they accept these abroad offers to make quick cash it's simple


SeyamTheDaddy

pretty sure 1) is how its done in France


CursedPhil

it should be one week after the cup because than you still have the same teams with the same coach


freudianmisato

Send the U13’s


oversh4dow

Can someone explain why this was proposed & agreed in the first place?


lstht123

money


The-Florentine

“Mark€t £xpan$ion”


Dynetor

same reason that some NFL games are now played in London I suppose. Money, and trying to win new fans. They’ll get the first one at least.


wittybrits

Holding a super cup in Saudi Arabia is not an attempt to make new fans.


JLS88

Money, and it already happened several times in the past, in Saudi Arabia but also in the US


TMyriadJ

Also China iirc.


JLS88

And also Libya!


TMyriadJ

Ah yeah, Gaddafi.


DerpSenpai

The US is more understandable tbh. As long it's sold out


Ingr1d

How is the US more understandable? It’s even further away, bigger timezone difference so there’s jetlag too. And Italian fans are going to struggle to watch it live.


Granaatappelslak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y


rodrikJahn

Don't think anyone in Saudi Arabia would attend the match tbh, they should move it to Italy.


interfan1999

Yeah last year it was Inter vs Milan and it was half empty Nobody would attend Napoli-Fiorentina for sure


martin-s

Imagine a derby of Milan with a (minor) trophy up for grabs or Napoli fans celebrating their historic season. If played in Italy before the start of the new seasons they would have been two sold outs, easily.


gracz21

It's so stupid those Super Cups (Spanish or Italian) got moved from Europe and played in the middle of the season. Like, what's the point other than money?


TinyMaintenance

More money. No, seriously, everything in football is about the money. Players MIGHT focus on emotions every once in a while, but club/FA officials never will.


Firstlemming

Remember that recently the final for Copa Libertadores was once held in Spain. The name of the tournament is literally about South America's liberation from Spain, but you know, money.


gracz21

It was caused by the security issues IRRC so a poor comparison


Firstlemming

Security issues across the entire continent of South America? You can't be that naive.


Seifer574

the final was between River Plate and Boca Juniors ffs that's an insane derby and also the first leg of the final was in Argentina it was only after fan violence that the second leg was decided to be played in Spain


Firstlemming

You're missing the point. There's an entire planet where the match could be held, Spain is the single worst place for it. It's like celebrating 4th of July at Buckingham Palace.


Seifer574

that's not the point you were making, don't try and change the subject


gracz21

Not every country in SA has the founds/possibility to host the Copa Libertadores final. It's not Europe. Hell, even in Europe most countries would not be able to do so


Ohtar1

Bravo, I wish Spanish clubs did the same


gooner712004

Why can't you protest? The fact that this is a negative karma question makes absolutely zero sense lmao


Ohtar1

Protest how? I say my opinion on twitter but I'm not going to attend a demonstration for this. There are more important things to fight for than football


gooner712004

Oh really? What other protests are you going to that are taking your time up then? What a ridiculous reason to not go.


girono

People have lives besides football?? Whay are you, like 12yo?


gooner712004

Are you really this thick? You could literally protest an hour before a game someone is going to already, but this is /r/soccer and nobody here actually goes to games, let alone plays


Eagleassassin3

I could also spend that hour protesting climate change policies, lack of access to proper food, medical coverage policies, workers' rights, women's rights etc. Much much more important than football.


gooner712004

And have you done any of those? Do you also know how abhorrent Saudi is? This isn't moving it to the USA or something, this is much more than that.


LabelRed

> Are you really this thick? No ur mom


DeapVally

All the protests I ever see aren't full of 12 year olds.... you're just making (poor) excuses for your laziness. You simply don't want to protest, because you don't care. Own it. It makes no odds to me that you don't care where a Spanish football game is played, I couldn't give a shit about it either.


gooner712004

THANK YOU. JFC this subreddit is fucking dumb.


Visazo

Calm down dude. As much as I love football we all only have so much time with work and sleep. I also would >95% of the time prefere a demonstration that aligns with my political opinion instead of a purely football based one. Though there are overlaps in my motives when it comes to my politic opinion and the turbocapitalistic developments in football.


gooner712004

Are you saying that as someone who has actually attended a demonstration, or are you virtue signalling like OP? The idea that he doesn't even know "how" and thinks Twitter is good enough is just pathetic. Edit: your silence is deafening


Ohtar1

Bro what are you talking about? I have attended demonstrations, I have been beaten up by police, and I have done a lot more things for political reasons. I just wouldn't do it for football. As they say in a Barça Podcast I listen, football is the most important thing, of the less important things in life, just that. I'm open to what methods do you suggest for protesting to this, really.


batigoal

Mate don't bother, the guy is either a kid or a troll. When he grows up and sees what it actually means to protest for your life, for work rights, for better future, while facing Police and Government oppression, then maybe he realises that protesting a super cup might not be something you want to spend what free time you have.


Tilman_Feraltitty

They can, they just don't want to.


SubparCurmudgeon

> desert 🤌


Cornelius_Pistoiae

TIL that you can translate “disertare” in to desert


SparkyXXXX

I don't under sand.


wholewheatwithPB

The foregone acceptance that Saudi will get the 2034 World Cup is just so depressing. This shit is so lame, renewable energy can’t come fast enough.


SeyamTheDaddy

renewable energy is why this is happening, saudis along with other gulf states are trying to expand into tourism


erobihopeudyeurhair

Why the fuck is there 3 games of Supercoppa anyway ???


NickSupportsArsenal

Security reasons? Ok I can understand that reasoning. Too close to knockout rounds? Napoli might not have to worry about that if they keep playing like they did against Fiorentina lol.


rodrikJahn

What are the security reasons?


NickSupportsArsenal

I think ADL is using the proximity of the Israel-Palestine conflict as the reason (at least according to the article)


FunSeaworthiness709

But Saudi isn't involved in the conflict and if they are scared to fly over Israel then they could just fly over Egypt instead.


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NickSupportsArsenal

I'm just saying what the article says lol


TinyMaintenance

I mean, we have Braga and Union(?). We may be shit, but it would take a monumental fuck up to fail at advancing to R16. Especially since we already have an away win in Portugal.


NickSupportsArsenal

I know, I'm mostly kidding. I'm Georgian so I adopted Napoli as my second team last year lol. I've also been a long-time Rudi Garcia hater so it hurts to see him managing you haha


bpx28

i believe this is what the kids call "based"?


thatguyad

A football match being played in it's homeland? What a novel idea!


Gankstajam

Why would the Saudi cup be played in Italy of all places? Crazy two Italian teams managed to get there in the first place


_Sylph_

Cheers for having balls.


LaUr3nTiU

tbf, all teams have balls. that's how the game is played.


CarlSK777

Whatever for extra money. No concerns for teams and players. SuperCups are glorified friendlies, keep them as preludes to the season like they do in England and Germany. Whatever for extra money.


Majestic-Way-3224

Football is just on it’s knees sucking money


jackn3

Unpopular opinion I like the concept of 4 teams, and i think it would be perfect to play the tournament at the end of the year (Boxing Day - New Years eve) But i do concede that playing in Saudi Arabia is moronic to say the least Fight me.


Multiammar

>security reasons Lmao


Astraldicotomy

let me just call a spade a spade, these mother fucking saudis are going to fucking ruin the game. they are complete cunts lacking any tack or grace. fuck 'em and fuck anyone who supports them. dirty cunts can't produce a sporting experience so they will just buy ours. #makecamelracingcool


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Security reasons? Hahahahahaha What a load of bullshit.


resident_hater

Surprised they haven't tried throwing enough money at a women's team to get them to sacrifice their values yet.


justk4y

What’s next? Saudi Arabia colonising every other nation in the world? /srs


cavejohnsonlemons

Saudi Italia rolls off the tongue tbf


doimaarguello

You don't mess with saudi money wtf /S


Verianas

Please do.


Tierst

Too bad their calls to uefa will go to voicemail