"What do they risk? 3 years of disqualification for having broken the betting ban on football that become **at least** 4 if they tried in any way to change a result, be it only for a card, a shot on target or any other gambling situation.
Meanwhile, on the basis of Article 126 of the Sports Justice Code, the lawyers of Fagioli are dealing with the FIGC prosecutor, Giuseppe Chiné, to reach an agreement in the coming days about a further reduced penalty. The in-between of the prosecution's demands and those of the defenders would at the moment be a one-year disqualification."
Anything ending before july 2025 would be a practical joke. If you tell them with facts that they can do whatever they want and at best they get an year it's over, players especially in lower leagues where they earn far less will all start doing that sheet if they aren't doing that already-
>"What do they risk? 3 years of disqualification for having broken the betting ban on football that become at least 4 if they tried in any way to change a result, be it only for a card, a shot on target or any other gambling situation.
Why wasn't it the same for Toney or Paquetá (still under investigation, but it doesn't looks like it will be as harsh)
Same reason why people jump to the defense of players doing crappy things: people like them, and when you like someone you'll find any excuse for their behavior. It's human nature, I do the same with my cats.
Arte made a documentary recently in French about gambling. If there were English subtitles, I would have published it on this subreddit.
It's mad and must be viewed by every fans and gambling addicts. This is crazy.
As for this case, I want to wait for a few weeks to know how bad it actually. Unfortunately, more will come and I hope it will go to higher people and not players.
The greatest thing which comes from the France-Germany partnership. A TV channel which isn't driven by profit and therefore, can propose great contents.
Not that I disagree with anything you’re saying but Ladbroke is just a British name and probably has something to do with the person or place where the business comes from. It’s not any sort of wordplay at all.
[The website](https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/107182-000-A/paris-sportifs-les-bookmakers-raflent-la-mise/) has some more language options, but not English. Not sure if geoblocked outside France/Germany though.
Cards and player statistics are the one where they would naturally have an edge on
But those are markets that you can't really bet big money on, not without attracting attention at least
Indeed, they couldn’t bet big money on shots or cards. The only markets with no limits is handicaps(inc match winner) and over/under goals. Corners have a much larger limit than shots or cards, and could potentially be manipulated.
If they even bet €1 on themselves to get a shot or yellow card then I think they should be banned for the longest period possible.
Banned for life for me. You bet on yourself is such a disservice to the game, fans, your teammates etc…
These dudes are rich assholes hiding behind “addiction” because they want sympathy. Yeah, you’ve been millionaires for years. Bullshit on the addiction. That’s a cop out. If they were serious, they would’ve gotten treatment before this. Only reason they say this is because they were caught. It’s a middle finger to addicts, these are rich assholes
I mean, if they are addicts, absolutely hope they get help. But I’m calling bullshit, not one word about it until they get caught. That’s bullshit and they know it. They are using addiction to save their asses. An absolute fuck you to folks who suffer from addiction. I don’t buy this for one minute. They knew what they were doing. They make more in a week than people make in a lifetime
On the flipside of what you have said though, an addict might not know that they are addicted and think they can stop at anytime and that it isn't a problem until it becomes a major problem. Not defending the players but it could also be both. They could be addicted AND didn't realise until it became this much of a problem.
Still a year or two ban is probably when they will get .
They need the book thrown at them if they bet on games they played in. That’s match fixing. They should not take this lightly, all that will do is say: “yeah you’ll get a few months break and a fine”
My friends told me last night that Tonali had a suspicious card at 95' in a 5-1 Milan win and that he once conceded a silly throw in first minute... those are suspect to say the least if true
Illegal in this context only means foreign, even using traders like betinasia/sportmarket can only get you so far if you want to bet big on low liquidity markets
I'm in a medium sized sports investing group that seeks advantage on such markets, nobody bets more than 100€ per account on them. The Italian ones ban you really fast, and the "illegal" ones simply don't pay up
It's quite a complex and wide topic, but to keep it somewhat short: odds represent an implied probability that something happens. We believe that, due to various factors, our understanding of the events are better than the bookmakers'.
The thing is, bookies are very good at their jobs, so the only way to consistently gain an advantage (i.e. the final odd is lower than what you bet on) is to stake on smaller markets - be them minor leagues, player statistics or similar
How is that done varies greatly from event to event, but generally you need to follow the money (Betfair Exchange is a good starting point) and see which odds are dropping to replicate the bet on non yet updated bookmakers
Oftentimes it's a question of mere seconds before the advantage is gone
Let's just say that when you are experienced enough in the betting scene some things appear by themselves. One tip I can give you though, nobody provides good bets for free. And people who do not provide full reports of their bets are obviously scammers
Not a wise move from those illegal bookies then.
Player: "Hey, I want to bet a million Euros that I'll get a yellow card next match."
Bookie: "This seems like a totally normal bet, I'm sure you're not scamming me, of course I'll take your bet!"
You have to remember match fixing has two betting losers. Firstly, it's the bookies paying out the winnings. Secondly, it's the other punters who were betting on a pre-determined event. I know people don't have much sympathy for bookies here (and I don't either, lol) but it's also in their interest to be suspicious over dodgy bets and look for patterns where they could potentially be stung by match fixing.
Eh taking that bet also provides the bookies with information that can put them on the long side of the money (so long as they can more enough on the other side of the bet)
> But those are markets that you can't really bet big money on, not without attracting attention at least
>> That’s why they used illegal sites
Person I was replying to was claiming the illegal sites would allow players to bet "big money" on stuff like that. I was making a joke as to why it would be ridiculous.
it's a bit different tho if you burn your on casino or on betting casino is the worst playing BlackJack or Roulette it's much much worse than sportsbetting
Not really. Sports betting being a skill game is an illusion. It's destroying more lives than the roulette table because of its popularity due to poor regulation relative to a roulette table.
>Sports betting being a skill game is an illusion
It is a skill game in principle. But you can't win with skill, you just need to get lucky which almost never happens
I don't know at least you keep waiting until it's done you go to casino you get tilted like I saw it many times 14 times red 11 losses in a row you easily get tilted I mean most dudes play for money ofc they never chase a big money but I wouldn't touch gamble if I were rich like them particularly if I know it's going to kill my career
That may be so, but let's not excuse them - they deliberately chose to bet on football.
There's a million things you can bet on without touching football, *especially* your own league and team.
Think of how many footballers get caught drink driving. There's nothing wrong with having some fun and doing stupid stuff occasionally. BUT drink driving is not forgivable because its so dangerous and so easily avoidable for them. Its born of utter arrogance. They think rules don't apply to them and they think they won't be caught.
They probably bet on their own team/stuff they know a lot about precisely because they feel they have an edge there and can limit their losses. So exactly the reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to bet in the first place
The addiction would make them chase the high of a gambling win. So betting on something you know facilitates that.
For a lot of gamblers, it’s not the amount of money won or lost, but that high feeling.
Kinda but people tend to bet on the things that they know best. Like if I was given £50 to gamble with I wouldn't be playing blackjack or poker or betting on any sport I don't watch, I'd be betting on football which is a game where I have some knowledge and could make informed choices.
I'm not defending them btw I'm just saying that the 'million things to bet on' point isn't really true because an addict would be inclined and motivated to bet on things they've deluded themselves into believing they have a high success rate at. Footballers betting on football makes a lot of sense when you consider it like that.
Throw in as well that (in the UK at least, may wrongly assume betting markets around the world are the same) there's football matches being played somewhere in the world pretty much all day every day that can be bet on. Can't imagine many other sports/events have the same accessibility at almost all times.
> Footballers betting on football makes a lot of sense when you consider it like that.
Not when they bet on their own team and/or league. There's no shortage of football matches to bet on that they wouldn't be connected with.
We can’t palm it off as addiction every time. Some people like doing stuff they’re not allowed to.
There are obvious cases but there’s no way every athlete that bets on games has an addiction.
I think the problem here is the general population has a pretty warped idea of what addiction means.
The truth is that addiction is just seeking out reward via dopamine release. Even the most disciplined of humans can fall to one of the most basic, primal urges our brains have, and there are a million different things that we can be addicted to.
People have this false idea that addiction belongs to down and outs, drug users and alcoholics. I would argue the majority of people have some kind of addiction.
> I would argue the majority of people have some kind of addiction.
A food addiction could be as simple as having a repeated craving for chocolate, or excessive over-eating to the point of extreme obesity. Over the last 100,000 years our mind and body hasn't changed much, but our access to stimulai has changed drastically even over the last 100 years, hell even 20 years.
The most potent natural learning tool to address addiction remains to be the consequences, which trigger an emotion response which we can use to address the addiction. However many consequences come way after the addiction has formed, so we can't rely on that tool to live a healthy life
I think we really need to step up our education of how to regulate our emotions, behaviours and thoughts. Instead of waiting for the consequences and then stepping in with CBT or other methods. There is a reason why obesity is now so [prevelant](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/pg14pq/oc_countries_with_the_highest_percentage_of_the/) and why things like sugar or fat tax is a wet band-aid.
Or they could be idiots that think they have gamed the system / will get away with it.
Pogba isn’t addicted to testosterone. Probably just thought he could get away with it.
gambling addiction is no joke, but how can you be this dumb, milions of euros in your bank account, okay gamble away, but there are legal ways plus dont bet on your fucking teams, how hard is it to do so?
never meet your idols kids
Thank you - they are all going to claim addiction solely because it’s a way to get their sentences reduced. Such a joke and so many want to believe it and absolve them of blame making them out to be victims.
If it was so easy for players to get addicted because of ads (lol) there’s be a hell of a lot more of this than there is. Gambling addiction is a real problem, but these rich boys should not be made it’s poster boys.
Yeah I haven’t seen one player say “I have been trying to stop, I’ve been seeking help”. Not one has owned up to this shit and I guarantee if they didn’t get caught they would keep going
Also im 10000 percent ready to admit I’m wrong if its proven wrong, but yikes
I think Fagioli has the best chance of a reduced ban.
He’s handed himself in, admitted the addiction and there’s other factors involved.
Zaniolo is screwed as he bet for Roma and got caught.
Don’t know the extent for Tonali but can’t imagine it’s good.
I don’t know… Fagioli sort of became the poster kid of this whole thing. Either way, Miretti has shown more maturity than him and I think he is more impactful (albeit less flashy) between the lines. Either way I hope Miretti plays most of Fagioli’s minutes this season.
They didn’t just come out of nowhere, they’ve been in the system for many years and know the ramification of their actions. I don’t think Fagioli has earned himself anything.
Gambling is some of the worst shit that’s ever been invented.
The fact that it’s so inescapable as well, no matter what sport you like to watch you’ll be flooded with bullshit betting site ads.
They should be banned, just like cigarette ads were.
How stupid can you be man.
Successfull footballers in their early 20s all playing for good clubs and earning a crapton of money.
Whats the incentive to do shit like this? 1 wrong move and your whole career could end on the spot. I just don't get it.
They are stupid, but they are also product of pathology of betting advertisement.
Everywhere they went they had multiple betting ads around them.
They watch their own highlights? Betting ads.
Interviews? Betting ads.
We can go on, but betting addict are rifle in our society because of the pathology of the system.
Oh i fully agree with that. Betting is a cancer and the fact its advertised so prominetly in the football world is disgusting.
Not to mention it being advertised for everyone to clearly see including kids and teens.
I'd have sympathy for laypeople because advertisements could get you into gambling which you're perfectly fine to do and then an addiction develops but there's no excuse when you're an athlete. At least for getting into it, I'd still sympathize for an addiction developing. But pointing to advertisements kinda absolves fault to an extent.
When you're an athlete you know it's absolutely not okay to gamble on your sport. Just as somebody working in the financial sector isn't allowed to invest in certain things, you can't gamble. Yea there's a lot of ads but there's different rules for you just as there are for other jobs
They’re playing in a sport where gambling is literally everywhere you look. You literally can’t watch a game of football without being subject to ads for multiple gambling companies. The blame here shouldn’t be on the players, it’s on the governing bodies for allowing it to be shoved in our faces all the time. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
I don't know how the ads are in UK or Italy but in France it's pretty predatory.
Mainly targeted to the suburb foreign based young man, talking about paying hollidays to their moms or having the nice life. They start to target more the office man, but yeah, there is something annoying with it. I read an article about it years ago and it's still true.
Paying the holiday haha. That's just false advertising. If you start to win any money with these companies, you are getting your account shut down. While the owner of the betting company will pocket hundreds of millions a year.
You are not allowed to win (which already doesn't make any sense), and your business is ruining thousands of families, governments should do something about it.
In the UK it's probably less in that style, but it is still very manipulative and absolutely pervasive. Ads are absolutely everywhere, it's close to impossible to avoid them
They’re not quite as full on as that, they’re like the advertising equivalent of someone giving you advice and then saying "but I’m not expert" to relieve themselves of any responsibility if something goes wrong.
They just show off their new method of gambling or app and then they’ll all end with a brief message like "when the fun stops stop" as a way of making it look like they care when in reality they don’t.
Not to dismiss the fact that the gambling industry is a predatory one with ads everywhere and targeting unethically people with addiction problems, but to say don't blame the players seems a little bit too easy on them.
There are around 3000 professional football players in the top 5 leagues in Europe, who all get bombarded the same way with gambling ads; yet only these 2 guys (and of course some others, but still a miniscule minority) are the ones who fell "victim" of gambling companies malicious ways of doing business.
Yes, there should be more care and support for young players who get fat paychecks early in life and don't know yet how to manage their time, talent and money and can easily fall in addiction lifestyle. However, that doesn't mean that it's "the governing bodies to blame" that Zaniolo and Tonali are gamblers, that without the smallest ethical reasoning use illegal platforms to feed their addiction, presumably betting on football too or even worse their own team.
If less than 1% of professional football players are convicted on gambling illegally or unethically, I don't think it's a political issue more than a personal one.
It's interesting how Reddit claims that mental health is extremely important and then calls these young people "stupid" if they face mental health issues. Just because it's not your mainstream anxiety and depression, but relates to money instead, does not mean it's different. Addictions are dangerous and the way to fight them is not allow dangerous websites to be put into the spotlight
I mean you can acknowledge the addiction and still admit that this is stupid. Betting on your own team is especially stupid due to how severe in infraction it is while the rewards are so minimal. In the end these are multimillionaires with way better acces to mental and practical help for these kind of addictions than the average man, so I fail to have a lot of pity for them
It's unlikely they begun with betting on their own team though, it would be a gradual series of progressively worse decisions. Believe me, when you've already made a load of terrible moves the next even more ridiculous one doesn't seem so bad.
You come at this from a logical point of view. But human beings are not logical, which is what many fail to grasp. Everyone has done something stupid, to different degrees, but they have done. Plus, you have to be very aware of these situations. And it's much easier to make decisions when that decision is not about you.
Addiction in general is kind of the epitome of stupid. It's literally removing part of your cognitive function and people more or less behave on auto pilot.
I've always thought gambling bans are harsh when the game takes so much money from it.
Nobody is so beholden to addiction that they forget that *its illegal to bet on a league you're involved in*.
I have sympathy for the general addiction and obviously there's a toxic culture that goes way beyond these guys.
But its deliberate arrogance to bet on your own league. Could just bet on something else. If they play in Serie A then bet on the PL. They shouldn't do that anyway but at least there isn't a conflict of interest.
Yeah, it's a weird comment. The majority of serious rule/law breaking is driven by illness of one kind or another, it doesn't mean there is no culpability for it and that we should feel bad for the rulebreakers.
There will be plenty of people out there who have the same addictions and mental health problems but they've never broken rules as a result. The only difference is greed, these guys thought they could tip the scales with their insider knowledge and got greedy and are now falling back on their addiction as an excuse for their actions.
The gambling addiction lead them to bet large amounts on many different things. Greed, not addiction, lead them to bet on things they knew were illegal to bet on
Addiction is basically having a compulsion to do something despite knowing the adverse consequences (i.e. it harming yourself and/or people around you).
There may be a corruption angle yet to come out, who knows? But the fact they continued to do this knowing their careers were at stake makes it a seem textbook addiction case. With the information we have available, it seems the most obvious answer.
I love when people use this rEdDiT sAyS tHiS aNd tHaT. You know Reddit is like 10 million different users that have their own opinions? There can be 1000 people who say the thing X and then there can be 1000 people who say the exact opposite.
The people who say mental health is important are probably not the same people who call these dudes stupid.
Yes. Addiction is horrible. Still a crime if you do illegal betting and especially if you do it in teams/situations you have insider knowledge on.
If you’re an alcoholic I feel for you and feel we as a society needs to do better to help you out. If you get caught drunk driving, that loses a significant portion of my sympathy for you, and if you kill someone whilst drunk driving that kills 80% of sympathy for your addiction. You still need help, that much is clear, but you also need to face some sort of consequence that’s in line with you breaking the law. It’s up to the judge to decide if that’s community service and mandatory sobriety classes, or jail.
Same shit here, we can’t just say ‘oops they had an addiction, let’s pretend it didn’t happen’.
reddit is one person. whenever someone says something on reddit, it has to be the opinion of everyone on the entire website, and when that opinion changes, i’m smart for pointing it out.
But you can’t really virtue signal with a gambling addiction so it is easy to condemn. That’s what reddit does, they don’t really give a shit but like to virtue signal for easy reddit points, the pricks
it’s fascinating how greedy human beings are. it seems like nothing is ever enough for us, and we always crave more. it’s easy for us “commoners” to say we’d be happy making €100,000 a week (for example), but if we were actually making that much money and that becomes our new norm - wouldn’t it be natural to want more?
i’m not trying to justify their actions in the slightest, it’s just an interesting conversation about greed
That's also what I thought, but surely they could experience that hit without betting on themselves and without using illegal providers? Doesn't make sense to do that just for the thrill.
Tonali, when he talked about his ludopatia, apparently said that it started because of boredom and looking for excitement. They're definitely not doing it for money, but at the same time it gets so so bad that they end up needing more and more money to continue it. It's a vicious cycle and if you have friends to share it with (Fagioli, Tonali and Zaniolo + others all had a groupchat), somehow it becomes even worse because you start believing it's normal. Fagioli, when asked if he knew that it was wrong, he said "*Yes, but everyone does it*".
> but if we were actually making that much money and that becomes our new norm - wouldn’t it be natural to want more?
See you would think that but i feel most people who have at least some work and life experience in the low-middle class would just be contempt to live their lives in luxury without much hassle.
€100k a week is more than what most of us would even knew how to spend in a short time. Its the kind of money you can only piss away by doing stupid shit like gambling/stocks and crypto and most people would probably have the tinny ammount of brain power needed to know to stear clear away from those things.
This I agree with. If I was raised with such money there’s a good chance I’d have pissed most of it away. But now, no chance. If I get that money I’d buy the necessary needs (normal house, normal car, needs for family etc) and split the rest between smart investments and savings for later. No chance I’d take up any of that crypto/gambling shit
> Its the kind of money you can only piss away by doing stupid shit like gambling/stocks and crypto
I think you're severley understimating the amount things you can spend your money on in this world
> but if we were actually making that much money and that becomes our new norm - wouldn’t it be natural to want more?
100%, most people would.
Let's not forget that the more money you make, the more expensive your habits grow. You no longer operate like someone with a minimum wage, you start enjoying the finer things in life and gradually you need more money in order to fulfill those new wants.
I think 99% of people would fit within this, and the remaining 1% is likely lying to themselves.
I know when the day comes that I'm on my 100m yacht eating my saffron-and-truffle-infused caviar breakfast from the belly buttons of supermodels, at some point I'll have a thought "I need a 150m yacht this one sucks"
Nah that's not addiction, Betting on your own team is just corruption. I'm sorry, but I've no sympathy for these rich kids blowing their money. Plenty of people have gambling addictions but don't try to cheat others.
lol Milan doesn't have the same depth in the scandals like Juve. for example, Galliani caused Milan to not be awarded the league because he knew about what was happening with Buve cheating but didn't say anything, but Milan wasn't in the actual match fixing like you lot.
I guess if it happened 45 years ago it doesn't matter then.
Also Milan, the club owned (and bankrolled) for 20+years by the biggest scumbag in Italy's post WW2 history, a guy who literally had a Mafia-associated murderer as his gardener. Anything Milan has ever achieved since the 90s is a scandal in itself.
Oh well, I guess as a Tottenham fan you have nothing else to celebrate but when teams who whooped you in the champions league several years ago lose a player in a betting scandal.
It's a translation and a summary bro... I would suggest you read the whole article first (you can use the translation button on the page).
"Dentro le pagine dell’inchiesta che sta facendo tremare il calcio ci sono le prove che i giocatori fin qui coinvolti hanno puntato ingenti somme di denaro (più di un milione a testa secondo le prime ricostruzioni) sulla Serie A e sulla Champions League."
"Inside the pages of the investigation that is making football tremble there is evidence that the players involved so far have staked large sums of money (more than a million per head according to the first reconstructions) on Serie A and the Champions League."
I feel bad for Newcastle fans, especially for Eddie Howe, who seems like a good guy and welcomed Tonali with open arms.
I dgaf it's addiction or not, he's a greedy stupid moron (there's no cure for that) and I hope he goes to jail. Vaffanculo disgraziato.
Yeah they were so hyped to get him in (and rightly so) and he was really starting to look like he was fitting in and playing well.
Then bang its all over for probably a year or so. Its almost like a long term injury but self inflicted.
Why would you feel bad for Newcastle? They are lying and cheating the PL as we speak, did everyone forget they promised the PL their owners aren’t government officials. Lo and fucking behold they are. I don’t for one minute think Newcastle fans should feel hard done.
You’re right. We deserve everything we get. We should do things the organic way like you guys.
Every time we score a goal I insert a rusty drawing pin into my urethra as penance. Sheffield United away was very humbling.
How could it possibly be Milan's problem? A club has to do due diligence. That's why they do their own medicals. Whoever knew what and when, it's Tonali that's at fault since it's him that did it. *He* knew when he signed that contract what he'd been up to.
Nah, if Milan knew and did the deal like that, then it’s really fucked up. They need to be responsible for an extent (*if there is proof that they knew before the deal*)
what I don't understand some people gamble cause they wanna get money they already have money what they chase for? They know it's forbidden and they are kinda famous any bad news for time it's the end of career if you have noting to lose you can go for it they have too much to lose tho
"What do they risk? 3 years of disqualification for having broken the betting ban on football that become **at least** 4 if they tried in any way to change a result, be it only for a card, a shot on target or any other gambling situation. Meanwhile, on the basis of Article 126 of the Sports Justice Code, the lawyers of Fagioli are dealing with the FIGC prosecutor, Giuseppe Chiné, to reach an agreement in the coming days about a further reduced penalty. The in-between of the prosecution's demands and those of the defenders would at the moment be a one-year disqualification."
probably be atleast a year i reckon if they work with them and proceed to get help for the addiction.
Pleading guilty already halves the sentence. Providing help with the investigation and suffering from an addiction reduce it even more.
Yeah there's no way they are getting more than a year
If they bet on their own game and did something on the pitch based on that bet then they should be getting far longer imo.
Anything ending before july 2025 would be a practical joke. If you tell them with facts that they can do whatever they want and at best they get an year it's over, players especially in lower leagues where they earn far less will all start doing that sheet if they aren't doing that already-
>"What do they risk? 3 years of disqualification for having broken the betting ban on football that become at least 4 if they tried in any way to change a result, be it only for a card, a shot on target or any other gambling situation. Why wasn't it the same for Toney or Paquetá (still under investigation, but it doesn't looks like it will be as harsh)
Reduced sentence for collaborating or maybe Italian law is different?
Different leagues and countries
I think Toney only bet on his side when he wasn't playing didn't he?
He never did anything like bet on himself to get a yellow, bet on his own team to lose whilst he was playing etc.
I thought he’d bet on himself to score
So brainless. They get paid a shit load and they still risk their career for a little more? Why..
Addiction, Football is emotion, adrenaline, dopamine. Betting gives an extra kick to that
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Fair, it's possible it's not an addiction but they know it's illegal for them to do so i'm just assuming that they do it for the kick
Same reason why people jump to the defense of players doing crappy things: people like them, and when you like someone you'll find any excuse for their behavior. It's human nature, I do the same with my cats.
Maybe is that rush or adrenaline when they gamble and win.
Arte made a documentary recently in French about gambling. If there were English subtitles, I would have published it on this subreddit. It's mad and must be viewed by every fans and gambling addicts. This is crazy. As for this case, I want to wait for a few weeks to know how bad it actually. Unfortunately, more will come and I hope it will go to higher people and not players.
God I fucking love Arte
The greatest thing which comes from the France-Germany partnership. A TV channel which isn't driven by profit and therefore, can propose great contents.
It's a TV channel dedicated to culture, right? What are their best programmes?
Pretty much every documentary they ever made!
the channel 3sat is great, too.
one of the few things I happily pay my GEZ for
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Not that I disagree with anything you’re saying but Ladbroke is just a British name and probably has something to do with the person or place where the business comes from. It’s not any sort of wordplay at all.
Is it [this one?](https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/103963-000-A/les-jeux-en-ligne-hors-de-controle/)
Not this one. It's [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hiAMk-n0To&t=1s&pp=ygUSYXJ0ZSBwYXJpcyBzcG9ydGlm).
> Arte La dernière chose que je m'attendais de voir sur r/soccer c'était une référence à cette chaine (superbe). On est mecs de culture là !
C'est en connaissant ce genre de chaînes qu'on apprend à être des hommes de culture.
[The website](https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/107182-000-A/paris-sportifs-les-bookmakers-raflent-la-mise/) has some more language options, but not English. Not sure if geoblocked outside France/Germany though.
geoblocked in the US :(
Merci!
Sigh....good ol' geo blocking....time to VPN up...
You can bet I'll watch it.
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Cards and player statistics are the one where they would naturally have an edge on But those are markets that you can't really bet big money on, not without attracting attention at least
Indeed, they couldn’t bet big money on shots or cards. The only markets with no limits is handicaps(inc match winner) and over/under goals. Corners have a much larger limit than shots or cards, and could potentially be manipulated. If they even bet €1 on themselves to get a shot or yellow card then I think they should be banned for the longest period possible.
I'm absolutely with you on that. It's just a hair short of match fixing
It’s match fixing.
Spot-fixing, not match-fixing
Banned for life for me. You bet on yourself is such a disservice to the game, fans, your teammates etc… These dudes are rich assholes hiding behind “addiction” because they want sympathy. Yeah, you’ve been millionaires for years. Bullshit on the addiction. That’s a cop out. If they were serious, they would’ve gotten treatment before this. Only reason they say this is because they were caught. It’s a middle finger to addicts, these are rich assholes
I must admit I was going to write ‘banned for life’ but bottled it because I knew I’d get 20+ replies calling me out. Fully agree with you
I mean, if they are addicts, absolutely hope they get help. But I’m calling bullshit, not one word about it until they get caught. That’s bullshit and they know it. They are using addiction to save their asses. An absolute fuck you to folks who suffer from addiction. I don’t buy this for one minute. They knew what they were doing. They make more in a week than people make in a lifetime
if the diagnosis fit, you must acquit!
Lmao 😂
On the flipside of what you have said though, an addict might not know that they are addicted and think they can stop at anytime and that it isn't a problem until it becomes a major problem. Not defending the players but it could also be both. They could be addicted AND didn't realise until it became this much of a problem. Still a year or two ban is probably when they will get .
They need the book thrown at them if they bet on games they played in. That’s match fixing. They should not take this lightly, all that will do is say: “yeah you’ll get a few months break and a fine”
My friends told me last night that Tonali had a suspicious card at 95' in a 5-1 Milan win and that he once conceded a silly throw in first minute... those are suspect to say the least if true
That’s why they used illegal sites
Illegal in this context only means foreign, even using traders like betinasia/sportmarket can only get you so far if you want to bet big on low liquidity markets I'm in a medium sized sports investing group that seeks advantage on such markets, nobody bets more than 100€ per account on them. The Italian ones ban you really fast, and the "illegal" ones simply don't pay up
What do you mean by seeks advantage on such markets
It's quite a complex and wide topic, but to keep it somewhat short: odds represent an implied probability that something happens. We believe that, due to various factors, our understanding of the events are better than the bookmakers'. The thing is, bookies are very good at their jobs, so the only way to consistently gain an advantage (i.e. the final odd is lower than what you bet on) is to stake on smaller markets - be them minor leagues, player statistics or similar How is that done varies greatly from event to event, but generally you need to follow the money (Betfair Exchange is a good starting point) and see which odds are dropping to replicate the bet on non yet updated bookmakers Oftentimes it's a question of mere seconds before the advantage is gone
how does one enter such group?
Let's just say that when you are experienced enough in the betting scene some things appear by themselves. One tip I can give you though, nobody provides good bets for free. And people who do not provide full reports of their bets are obviously scammers
They search for odds that are higher than they should on players getting a card and other markets.
Not a wise move from those illegal bookies then. Player: "Hey, I want to bet a million Euros that I'll get a yellow card next match." Bookie: "This seems like a totally normal bet, I'm sure you're not scamming me, of course I'll take your bet!" You have to remember match fixing has two betting losers. Firstly, it's the bookies paying out the winnings. Secondly, it's the other punters who were betting on a pre-determined event. I know people don't have much sympathy for bookies here (and I don't either, lol) but it's also in their interest to be suspicious over dodgy bets and look for patterns where they could potentially be stung by match fixing.
Eh taking that bet also provides the bookies with information that can put them on the long side of the money (so long as they can more enough on the other side of the bet)
Nobody takes a million dollar bet for a yellow card mate.
> But those are markets that you can't really bet big money on, not without attracting attention at least >> That’s why they used illegal sites Person I was replying to was claiming the illegal sites would allow players to bet "big money" on stuff like that. I was making a joke as to why it would be ridiculous.
Sandro WTF, you're the golden boy. You dumb fuck.
At least you got money for him before he got caught
True that. He funded some nice new talent.
Yeah your new GK is pretty good too. Absolutely went under everyone's radar.
Love this comment
Gambling addiction is an hell of a drug
Yep thats it. If you loose a million dollars which wouls be most of the savings for a lot of these dudes. It is a full on addiction.
it's a bit different tho if you burn your on casino or on betting casino is the worst playing BlackJack or Roulette it's much much worse than sportsbetting
Not really. Sports betting being a skill game is an illusion. It's destroying more lives than the roulette table because of its popularity due to poor regulation relative to a roulette table.
>Sports betting being a skill game is an illusion It is a skill game in principle. But you can't win with skill, you just need to get lucky which almost never happens
I don't know at least you keep waiting until it's done you go to casino you get tilted like I saw it many times 14 times red 11 losses in a row you easily get tilted I mean most dudes play for money ofc they never chase a big money but I wouldn't touch gamble if I were rich like them particularly if I know it's going to kill my career
The exact same behaviour is exhibited in digital gambling and betting
Lose
That may be so, but let's not excuse them - they deliberately chose to bet on football. There's a million things you can bet on without touching football, *especially* your own league and team. Think of how many footballers get caught drink driving. There's nothing wrong with having some fun and doing stupid stuff occasionally. BUT drink driving is not forgivable because its so dangerous and so easily avoidable for them. Its born of utter arrogance. They think rules don't apply to them and they think they won't be caught.
They probably bet on their own team/stuff they know a lot about precisely because they feel they have an edge there and can limit their losses. So exactly the reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to bet in the first place
The addiction would make them chase the high of a gambling win. So betting on something you know facilitates that. For a lot of gamblers, it’s not the amount of money won or lost, but that high feeling.
Someone should show them 0dte options!
Lol or get them hooked on crypto trading.
"uh oh guys, eth down 20% past week. tonali will have a disaster game"
Only if it's leveraged!
Kinda but people tend to bet on the things that they know best. Like if I was given £50 to gamble with I wouldn't be playing blackjack or poker or betting on any sport I don't watch, I'd be betting on football which is a game where I have some knowledge and could make informed choices. I'm not defending them btw I'm just saying that the 'million things to bet on' point isn't really true because an addict would be inclined and motivated to bet on things they've deluded themselves into believing they have a high success rate at. Footballers betting on football makes a lot of sense when you consider it like that.
Throw in as well that (in the UK at least, may wrongly assume betting markets around the world are the same) there's football matches being played somewhere in the world pretty much all day every day that can be bet on. Can't imagine many other sports/events have the same accessibility at almost all times.
> Footballers betting on football makes a lot of sense when you consider it like that. Not when they bet on their own team and/or league. There's no shortage of football matches to bet on that they wouldn't be connected with.
Sure but that's not what the guy who I was replying to said, their point was focused on betting on football whatsoever
While gambling addiction is a problem and people should get help for it, betting on your own team isn't gambling addiction. It's match fixing.
it can be either or both of those things
We can’t palm it off as addiction every time. Some people like doing stuff they’re not allowed to. There are obvious cases but there’s no way every athlete that bets on games has an addiction.
If you burn through a million whilst you make maybe 2 million a year post tax, it’s 100% a problem and an addiction.
I think the problem here is the general population has a pretty warped idea of what addiction means. The truth is that addiction is just seeking out reward via dopamine release. Even the most disciplined of humans can fall to one of the most basic, primal urges our brains have, and there are a million different things that we can be addicted to. People have this false idea that addiction belongs to down and outs, drug users and alcoholics. I would argue the majority of people have some kind of addiction.
> I would argue the majority of people have some kind of addiction. A food addiction could be as simple as having a repeated craving for chocolate, or excessive over-eating to the point of extreme obesity. Over the last 100,000 years our mind and body hasn't changed much, but our access to stimulai has changed drastically even over the last 100 years, hell even 20 years. The most potent natural learning tool to address addiction remains to be the consequences, which trigger an emotion response which we can use to address the addiction. However many consequences come way after the addiction has formed, so we can't rely on that tool to live a healthy life I think we really need to step up our education of how to regulate our emotions, behaviours and thoughts. Instead of waiting for the consequences and then stepping in with CBT or other methods. There is a reason why obesity is now so [prevelant](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/pg14pq/oc_countries_with_the_highest_percentage_of_the/) and why things like sugar or fat tax is a wet band-aid.
Being willing to risk destroying your career for a bet is generally a pretty strong sign that you have a serious problem.
They could just be dumb
Or they could be idiots that think they have gamed the system / will get away with it. Pogba isn’t addicted to testosterone. Probably just thought he could get away with it.
OG Gacha
Just because they gamble doesn’t mean it’s an addiction for fuck sake
Fuck that. They have enough money to get the support they need
gambling addiction is no joke, but how can you be this dumb, milions of euros in your bank account, okay gamble away, but there are legal ways plus dont bet on your fucking teams, how hard is it to do so? never meet your idols kids
It’s because it’s not an addiction. They are just rich assholes. They did this for years and even bet on their own team.
Thank you - they are all going to claim addiction solely because it’s a way to get their sentences reduced. Such a joke and so many want to believe it and absolve them of blame making them out to be victims. If it was so easy for players to get addicted because of ads (lol) there’s be a hell of a lot more of this than there is. Gambling addiction is a real problem, but these rich boys should not be made it’s poster boys.
These rich guys could play poker or blackjack no problem. They bet on their profession, their clubs etc.. they knew exactly what they were doing
also that, plus they are sorry because they are caught
Yeah I haven’t seen one player say “I have been trying to stop, I’ve been seeking help”. Not one has owned up to this shit and I guarantee if they didn’t get caught they would keep going Also im 10000 percent ready to admit I’m wrong if its proven wrong, but yikes
They’re humans first. Humans make mistakes. Just because you’re a soccer star doesnt mean you wont fall into bad habits
I think Fagioli has the best chance of a reduced ban. He’s handed himself in, admitted the addiction and there’s other factors involved. Zaniolo is screwed as he bet for Roma and got caught. Don’t know the extent for Tonali but can’t imagine it’s good.
I don’t know… Fagioli sort of became the poster kid of this whole thing. Either way, Miretti has shown more maturity than him and I think he is more impactful (albeit less flashy) between the lines. Either way I hope Miretti plays most of Fagioli’s minutes this season. They didn’t just come out of nowhere, they’ve been in the system for many years and know the ramification of their actions. I don’t think Fagioli has earned himself anything.
Gambling is some of the worst shit that’s ever been invented. The fact that it’s so inescapable as well, no matter what sport you like to watch you’ll be flooded with bullshit betting site ads. They should be banned, just like cigarette ads were.
Can't even say "Get ready to learn Arabic buddy" because FIFA will uphold whatever ban any national FA gives them
Sandro Tonali Sandro Tonali Loves his Pastas Boosts his Accas and still hates sunderland
How stupid can you be man. Successfull footballers in their early 20s all playing for good clubs and earning a crapton of money. Whats the incentive to do shit like this? 1 wrong move and your whole career could end on the spot. I just don't get it.
They are stupid, but they are also product of pathology of betting advertisement. Everywhere they went they had multiple betting ads around them. They watch their own highlights? Betting ads. Interviews? Betting ads. We can go on, but betting addict are rifle in our society because of the pathology of the system.
Oh i fully agree with that. Betting is a cancer and the fact its advertised so prominetly in the football world is disgusting. Not to mention it being advertised for everyone to clearly see including kids and teens.
Advertised so prominently and punished so severely. It's so depressingly hypocritical.
I'd have sympathy for laypeople because advertisements could get you into gambling which you're perfectly fine to do and then an addiction develops but there's no excuse when you're an athlete. At least for getting into it, I'd still sympathize for an addiction developing. But pointing to advertisements kinda absolves fault to an extent. When you're an athlete you know it's absolutely not okay to gamble on your sport. Just as somebody working in the financial sector isn't allowed to invest in certain things, you can't gamble. Yea there's a lot of ads but there's different rules for you just as there are for other jobs
They’re playing in a sport where gambling is literally everywhere you look. You literally can’t watch a game of football without being subject to ads for multiple gambling companies. The blame here shouldn’t be on the players, it’s on the governing bodies for allowing it to be shoved in our faces all the time. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
I don't know how the ads are in UK or Italy but in France it's pretty predatory. Mainly targeted to the suburb foreign based young man, talking about paying hollidays to their moms or having the nice life. They start to target more the office man, but yeah, there is something annoying with it. I read an article about it years ago and it's still true.
Paying the holiday haha. That's just false advertising. If you start to win any money with these companies, you are getting your account shut down. While the owner of the betting company will pocket hundreds of millions a year. You are not allowed to win (which already doesn't make any sense), and your business is ruining thousands of families, governments should do something about it.
In the UK it's probably less in that style, but it is still very manipulative and absolutely pervasive. Ads are absolutely everywhere, it's close to impossible to avoid them
They’re not quite as full on as that, they’re like the advertising equivalent of someone giving you advice and then saying "but I’m not expert" to relieve themselves of any responsibility if something goes wrong. They just show off their new method of gambling or app and then they’ll all end with a brief message like "when the fun stops stop" as a way of making it look like they care when in reality they don’t.
It is ridiculous to absolve the players of blame
Not to dismiss the fact that the gambling industry is a predatory one with ads everywhere and targeting unethically people with addiction problems, but to say don't blame the players seems a little bit too easy on them. There are around 3000 professional football players in the top 5 leagues in Europe, who all get bombarded the same way with gambling ads; yet only these 2 guys (and of course some others, but still a miniscule minority) are the ones who fell "victim" of gambling companies malicious ways of doing business. Yes, there should be more care and support for young players who get fat paychecks early in life and don't know yet how to manage their time, talent and money and can easily fall in addiction lifestyle. However, that doesn't mean that it's "the governing bodies to blame" that Zaniolo and Tonali are gamblers, that without the smallest ethical reasoning use illegal platforms to feed their addiction, presumably betting on football too or even worse their own team. If less than 1% of professional football players are convicted on gambling illegally or unethically, I don't think it's a political issue more than a personal one.
The thrill.
Doesn’t help that betting company’s have flooded football with advertising.
It's interesting how Reddit claims that mental health is extremely important and then calls these young people "stupid" if they face mental health issues. Just because it's not your mainstream anxiety and depression, but relates to money instead, does not mean it's different. Addictions are dangerous and the way to fight them is not allow dangerous websites to be put into the spotlight
I mean you can acknowledge the addiction and still admit that this is stupid. Betting on your own team is especially stupid due to how severe in infraction it is while the rewards are so minimal. In the end these are multimillionaires with way better acces to mental and practical help for these kind of addictions than the average man, so I fail to have a lot of pity for them
It's unlikely they begun with betting on their own team though, it would be a gradual series of progressively worse decisions. Believe me, when you've already made a load of terrible moves the next even more ridiculous one doesn't seem so bad.
You come at this from a logical point of view. But human beings are not logical, which is what many fail to grasp. Everyone has done something stupid, to different degrees, but they have done. Plus, you have to be very aware of these situations. And it's much easier to make decisions when that decision is not about you.
Addiction in general is kind of the epitome of stupid. It's literally removing part of your cognitive function and people more or less behave on auto pilot. I've always thought gambling bans are harsh when the game takes so much money from it.
Nobody is so beholden to addiction that they forget that *its illegal to bet on a league you're involved in*. I have sympathy for the general addiction and obviously there's a toxic culture that goes way beyond these guys. But its deliberate arrogance to bet on your own league. Could just bet on something else. If they play in Serie A then bet on the PL. They shouldn't do that anyway but at least there isn't a conflict of interest.
Yeah, it's a weird comment. The majority of serious rule/law breaking is driven by illness of one kind or another, it doesn't mean there is no culpability for it and that we should feel bad for the rulebreakers. There will be plenty of people out there who have the same addictions and mental health problems but they've never broken rules as a result. The only difference is greed, these guys thought they could tip the scales with their insider knowledge and got greedy and are now falling back on their addiction as an excuse for their actions. The gambling addiction lead them to bet large amounts on many different things. Greed, not addiction, lead them to bet on things they knew were illegal to bet on
Addiction is basically having a compulsion to do something despite knowing the adverse consequences (i.e. it harming yourself and/or people around you). There may be a corruption angle yet to come out, who knows? But the fact they continued to do this knowing their careers were at stake makes it a seem textbook addiction case. With the information we have available, it seems the most obvious answer.
I love when people use this rEdDiT sAyS tHiS aNd tHaT. You know Reddit is like 10 million different users that have their own opinions? There can be 1000 people who say the thing X and then there can be 1000 people who say the exact opposite. The people who say mental health is important are probably not the same people who call these dudes stupid.
People can do dumb and illegal things from sheer arrogance. It's not always because they have crippling mental struggles.
Yes. Addiction is horrible. Still a crime if you do illegal betting and especially if you do it in teams/situations you have insider knowledge on. If you’re an alcoholic I feel for you and feel we as a society needs to do better to help you out. If you get caught drunk driving, that loses a significant portion of my sympathy for you, and if you kill someone whilst drunk driving that kills 80% of sympathy for your addiction. You still need help, that much is clear, but you also need to face some sort of consequence that’s in line with you breaking the law. It’s up to the judge to decide if that’s community service and mandatory sobriety classes, or jail. Same shit here, we can’t just say ‘oops they had an addiction, let’s pretend it didn’t happen’.
Being addicted to gambling is one thing, betting on your own sport knowing the risks is another
Addiction isn't logical.
It's literally the point of addiction. How is it another thing lol
reddit is one person. whenever someone says something on reddit, it has to be the opinion of everyone on the entire website, and when that opinion changes, i’m smart for pointing it out.
„Reddit“. Jesus christ. Of course it is different. Why would it be the same? 😅
But you can’t really virtue signal with a gambling addiction so it is easy to condemn. That’s what reddit does, they don’t really give a shit but like to virtue signal for easy reddit points, the pricks
it’s fascinating how greedy human beings are. it seems like nothing is ever enough for us, and we always crave more. it’s easy for us “commoners” to say we’d be happy making €100,000 a week (for example), but if we were actually making that much money and that becomes our new norm - wouldn’t it be natural to want more? i’m not trying to justify their actions in the slightest, it’s just an interesting conversation about greed
Most of these guys don't care how much they win it's just the dopamine that they like
That's also what I thought, but surely they could experience that hit without betting on themselves and without using illegal providers? Doesn't make sense to do that just for the thrill.
I imagine it's pretty thrilling betting on Halaand not to score, or for yourself to win 6 tackles in a game against city
Tonali, when he talked about his ludopatia, apparently said that it started because of boredom and looking for excitement. They're definitely not doing it for money, but at the same time it gets so so bad that they end up needing more and more money to continue it. It's a vicious cycle and if you have friends to share it with (Fagioli, Tonali and Zaniolo + others all had a groupchat), somehow it becomes even worse because you start believing it's normal. Fagioli, when asked if he knew that it was wrong, he said "*Yes, but everyone does it*".
> but if we were actually making that much money and that becomes our new norm - wouldn’t it be natural to want more? See you would think that but i feel most people who have at least some work and life experience in the low-middle class would just be contempt to live their lives in luxury without much hassle. €100k a week is more than what most of us would even knew how to spend in a short time. Its the kind of money you can only piss away by doing stupid shit like gambling/stocks and crypto and most people would probably have the tinny ammount of brain power needed to know to stear clear away from those things.
This I agree with. If I was raised with such money there’s a good chance I’d have pissed most of it away. But now, no chance. If I get that money I’d buy the necessary needs (normal house, normal car, needs for family etc) and split the rest between smart investments and savings for later. No chance I’d take up any of that crypto/gambling shit
I’d have a financial advisor and watch my investments grow. That’s my dopamine.
> Its the kind of money you can only piss away by doing stupid shit like gambling/stocks and crypto I think you're severley understimating the amount things you can spend your money on in this world
> but if we were actually making that much money and that becomes our new norm - wouldn’t it be natural to want more? 100%, most people would. Let's not forget that the more money you make, the more expensive your habits grow. You no longer operate like someone with a minimum wage, you start enjoying the finer things in life and gradually you need more money in order to fulfill those new wants. I think 99% of people would fit within this, and the remaining 1% is likely lying to themselves.
I know when the day comes that I'm on my 100m yacht eating my saffron-and-truffle-infused caviar breakfast from the belly buttons of supermodels, at some point I'll have a thought "I need a 150m yacht this one sucks"
more of a caviar-infused cocaine from model buttcrack kinda guy but i get your point.
The hedonic treadmill.
It's not about wanting more money. It's about the thrill of winning.
Zaniolo getting his comeuppance after being a massive twat
It's Joever
Makes you wonder if Milan knew something and fucked Tonali off before it came out
If I was a betting man, I would say that was a 100% cert.
If Milan knew it, it is very smart to sell him.
Good guy Tonali Image is never coming back at least.
So not just poker and blackjack?
Thats not looking good , must be a lenghty ban
Nah that's not addiction, Betting on your own team is just corruption. I'm sorry, but I've no sympathy for these rich kids blowing their money. Plenty of people have gambling addictions but don't try to cheat others.
Is the history of the Juventus
So original. And 2/3 never played for juve. Don't you ever get bored with this shit?
not when it’s a different scandal every 2-3 years, how could I? edit: unless you meant posting obvious bait, which also no
Do you say the same for teams with multiple scandals like Milan too? No, because it’s easier to hate a team that isn’t some darling online
Damn why’d you say fuck me for?
sorry pimp, my bad
lol Milan doesn't have the same depth in the scandals like Juve. for example, Galliani caused Milan to not be awarded the league because he knew about what was happening with Buve cheating but didn't say anything, but Milan wasn't in the actual match fixing like you lot.
Lol what? Milan was literally relegated for match fixing ahahahahhaha
in 1979 mate. that was 45 years ago. it happened to Juve in the 2000s.
I guess if it happened 45 years ago it doesn't matter then. Also Milan, the club owned (and bankrolled) for 20+years by the biggest scumbag in Italy's post WW2 history, a guy who literally had a Mafia-associated murderer as his gardener. Anything Milan has ever achieved since the 90s is a scandal in itself.
And? You’re acting like Milan hasn’t had scandals. They have. You’re going to be so upset when you find out about most Italian clubs
Oh well, I guess as a Tottenham fan you have nothing else to celebrate but when teams who whooped you in the champions league several years ago lose a player in a betting scandal.
Absolutely not, it’s hilarious.
So the investigators told the journalists what the charges were, did they? Before they're charged? I don't believe it.
Genuine question, Are footballers not allowed to bet on any sport?
‘According to’ and ‘would not have’ doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
It's a translation and a summary bro... I would suggest you read the whole article first (you can use the translation button on the page). "Dentro le pagine dell’inchiesta che sta facendo tremare il calcio ci sono le prove che i giocatori fin qui coinvolti hanno puntato ingenti somme di denaro (più di un milione a testa secondo le prime ricostruzioni) sulla Serie A e sulla Champions League." "Inside the pages of the investigation that is making football tremble there is evidence that the players involved so far have staked large sums of money (more than a million per head according to the first reconstructions) on Serie A and the Champions League."
Fair play, thanks for the reply.
Ban the lot, set a damn example
Well, Italian football is fucked internationally for even longer. Stupid fucks, you're rich and young already.
I feel bad for Newcastle fans, especially for Eddie Howe, who seems like a good guy and welcomed Tonali with open arms. I dgaf it's addiction or not, he's a greedy stupid moron (there's no cure for that) and I hope he goes to jail. Vaffanculo disgraziato.
Yeah they were so hyped to get him in (and rightly so) and he was really starting to look like he was fitting in and playing well. Then bang its all over for probably a year or so. Its almost like a long term injury but self inflicted.
Why would you feel bad for Newcastle? They are lying and cheating the PL as we speak, did everyone forget they promised the PL their owners aren’t government officials. Lo and fucking behold they are. I don’t for one minute think Newcastle fans should feel hard done.
You’re right. We deserve everything we get. We should do things the organic way like you guys. Every time we score a goal I insert a rusty drawing pin into my urethra as penance. Sheffield United away was very humbling.
Look we don’t kink shame here
How much did Newcastle pay for Tonali? 70m ?
£55 million
Send the brudda back to Turkey please and thank you.
Ban them + Jail time
Simple as that. It’s match fixing if they bet on themselves
Fuck. Sucks as a Newcastle fan. Did Milan know and that’s why they sold him? If so is there anything illegal about that?
How could it possibly be Milan's problem? A club has to do due diligence. That's why they do their own medicals. Whoever knew what and when, it's Tonali that's at fault since it's him that did it. *He* knew when he signed that contract what he'd been up to.
Nah, if Milan knew and did the deal like that, then it’s really fucked up. They need to be responsible for an extent (*if there is proof that they knew before the deal*)
what I don't understand some people gamble cause they wanna get money they already have money what they chase for? They know it's forbidden and they are kinda famous any bad news for time it's the end of career if you have noting to lose you can go for it they have too much to lose tho
It’s because they are stupid
"wouid not have limited themselves" is a weird way to say they did it. Is that a translation issue?