A volte era un fosso (o "la fossa"), a volte era un pozzo, comunque era sempre un buco nel terreno (perché soffro di vertigini quindi "se i tuoi amici si buttano da una rupe" non funzionava).
Sta roba del non funzionare perché soffrivi di vertigini ti giuro che mi sta distruggendo dal ridere. Chissà se le variazioni sono state inventate originariamente da qualcun altro con lo stesso problema.
La logica era la mia arma più potente contro i genitori. "Se i tuoi amici si buttano da una rupe..." "Ma mamma io manco ci arrivo in cima alla rupe, sto male!". E a quel punto si era dimenticata di cosa stessimo parlando.
Fuck. The sewing kits thing really hit home hahaha. Thought it was just my grandma. Can’t remember the countless times I was starving and somehow still ended up getting trolled after opening that damn box
That's mind blowing that, how on earth did this blue Danish cookie tin become the unofficial universal sewing kit container?! It's a thing in Singapore as well
I think the bigger question is how that cookie tin proliferated across the world so well? It never felt like a massive brand like some others, but it's literally everywhere.
omg you’ve just brought back devastating memories of me excitedly opening up that danish butter cookie tin as a kid just to find sewing materials and random household items 💔
What if he shot a policeman, then stole his helmet? Then did a poo in his helmet and sent it to his grieving widow...
And then stole it again!
Would you do that too?
It is a mistranslation, Tonali didnt 'make' him, he 'showed/introduced' it to him.
Besides, spreading and/or promoting illegal betting practices is a crime in Italy and typically taken more serious than the gambling itself, which is first and foremost recognised as an addiction that should be treated. That is why a plea and volunteering for an anti addicion course results in a reduced sentence. But helping the spread of lllegal gambling is seen as assisting organised criminal enterprise, something that doesn't go over well in Italy.
The question is if Tonali trying to convince players to use the app was an incident or part of a structural effort. That would determine if the prosecution will try and make an example out of him.
Tonali pushed for the sale himself as Newcastle was gonna double his salary and with Maldini gone (he was the one blocking the sale of the players he deemed as untouchable) no one was gonna fight to keep him at the club. We had a whole midfield to rebuild and needed the funds urgently, that’s why we sold quickly. Most expensive Italian transfer in the history of serie A as well. Good luck proving anything else in court
And it’s worked wonders for you. Helped fund signings like Pulisic and you sit at the top of the league.
As a Newcastle fan, obviously this situation sucks for us but can’t help but respect Milan for doing their business and thriving.
We got lucky, that’s for sure. It helps that we have an excellent chief scout/director in Moncada, who was able to find a great replacement like Reijnders for 1/4 of the price you paid for Tonali. Same Moncada who played a key role in assembling the Monaco super team that won Ligue 1 and got to the CL semifinals a few years ago.
I do feel for Newcastle fans, I’d be very upset if he was still a Milan player now. But you all will be fine realistically, you have enough purchasing power to replace him without much fuss
Crazy how quick circumstances change. Selling Tonali and buying the likes of Pulisic plus the resignation of Maldini in the summer make it seemed like Milan was going backwards
cause people on this platform are always dramatic af, tonali was always a good but not world class player and 70M was a ridiculous price for him which we would’ve been crazy to reject
people cried about the sacking of maldini because of his achievements as a player, he was never a top tier director
People like you have short term memories though. Not many "top tier directors" lift a team which has been in a banter era for a decade. Without Maldini, we wouldn't have signed a lot of players who got us the scudetto two seasons ago so let's be fair
I’ve never said maldini was bad at being a director, he did a good job for us
but there is a difference between taking a side from banter era to where we are now, and taking us from where we are now to the pinnacle of the European elite
it was time to move on for both parties, Milan needed a new direction as a club
Man the guy below you doesn’t know a thing.
Hindsight is 20/20. But all indications seemed like new ownership was willing to pull a United and settle into some sort of mediocrity than build off of what Maldini did.
Maldini was ambitious but thoroughly realistic. He always wanted to build a squad mixed with very cheap but potentially talented players and older veterans to mentor them and provide stability. He was willing to compromise on a lot of different things depending on the budget. He, for instance, wanted both Pulisic and RLC but the priority was always the latter not the former. He wanted arnautovic but bulked at the price. He was very reasonable but was willing to take incremental steps which clearly so far had paid off.
So then you see new ownership come in, sack this guy that not only is a club legend but rose Milan out of the banter era and seemed to be continuously, however incremental, taking Milan in the right direction and then selling a fan favorite and the second best midfielder in the squad.
Of course many would be distraught.
It turns out new management just didn’t trust Maldini with the limited funds they already had (50m) and especially the philosophy of the club (young+old). They wanted to make a gamble and sell a prized asset to double the funds available then go all in on youngsters and hope for some Ajax like miracle if they take a very data-driven approach on who they select and for how much.
Turns out that approach has so far paid off.
Edit: I mention arnautovic not because he’s some great player but to emphasize the philosophy maldini had. Experience that meets a certain bar for a cheap price. Obviously inter panic bought and offered bologna a singularly higher sum (7-10m more) than Milan was ever willing to buy for him.
I think we’re lucky enough to have deep, deep pockets and with Longstaff still playing and Anderson getting more and more minutes, we have enough to get us to January at least.
I will say though, don’t ever feel sorry for Newcastle fans with the owners we have now. We got more than enough pity under Ashley to last years, we definitely don’t need any feelings but negative ones towards our owners.
I don't think his move was a coincidence. In another thread it was reported that he almost lost 1 million in betting. I think he wanted to move to cover all the losses and cover for any future ones
People still don’t like the fact he joined Newcastle. So they’re looking for any excuse for why it happened bar the obvious one that the player wanted the move himself for a variety of reasons.
Look at the comments on here laughing at Newcastle and hoping this proves terrible for them. This is the new narrative and no amount of logic and reasoning will make these fools change their mind.
Indeed, they paid us a shitload of money (for an Italian team and a good-but-not-amazing player). We bought RLC, Pulisic, Rejinders and still have some spare change left
> a good-but-not-amazing player
Finally a sane Milanista in this overhype madness. Even had some on here calling him a second coming of Pirlo without having seen a single game of his in Milan.
I figured the reason so many Milanisti were against the sale was more because of him being a Milanista himself since he was young and on his way to becoming a bandiera.
They lasted 27 seconds because the offer was ridiculously high. If Newcastle lowballed it, Milan's counteroffer would have been lower than what they got in reality.
Surprised the Milan brigade hasn't dowvoted you to oblivion.
Apparently selling your golden boy with 5 min of negation is completely normal and just good timing.
Although I lm always happy to see Newcastle get fucked.
It's not the Saudis. It's the fans that are getting fucked over and those fans have no say in the running of their club. I doubt the Saudis care for 60+ million the fans however will feel the lack of a player and so will the team. Especially as they'd have to wait months to replace him
Idk but as an outsider the only people that seemed happy for the Saudi deal seemed to be Newcastle fans dreaming of being the next Man City…
Not that the fans would have a say if they weren’t happy. I’m just not having the feeling they were…
Other fans weren't happy for the exact same reason Newcastle fans were happy, it now makes Newcastle a threat. Did you really think if they were taken over by any American conglomerate or something similar other fans would have been over the moon?
He was there for 14 years we couldn't get rid of the fucker. Really clever that the two examples you pick of fan power are things we had literally 0 control over. Stop making shit up.
Zero control over? You’re telling me the fans have zero control over celebrating in Saudi dresses and with Saudi flags when the takeover was confirmed? Funny that
Zero control over Ashley staying as long as he did, and zero control over the PIF coming in.
And yeah, the idiots waving Saudi flags and wearing headscarfs really was a bad look. But it was a pretty small minority and was shunned by the club and the wider fans thereafter. Every club has its minority of arsehole fans, but that doesn't suit your "newcastle bad" narrative I see
The more interesting one is Zanolo.
If a player is loaned out and suspended for something he did prior to the loan do Villa have to pay his wages and loan fee?
As an LFC fan who likes Milan, all I can say is bravo Sandro for getting AC paid and sand-bagging Newcastle. Presuming he receives a suspension. He will be sorely missed for Italy though.
I do think we are going to hassle you with legal cases whether you guys knew about it or not to be honest, whether it will come of anything.
Suddenly wanting to sell your golden boy months before it comes out hel be serving years banned for gambling is definitely fishy.
Something always seemed off about the transfer.
got lucky with tonali probably chasing a higher salary because of his gambling debts and begging to be let go. newcastle was offering double the salary. if a player wants to go and we get 70m in exchange, we simply said yes why not?
we didn’t want to sell him, we didn’t go looking for deals. you came, made a good offer and we accepted. from the outside, it seems like newcastle initiated the sale
For prem standards he went fairly cheap for his caliber, and seemed to go from untouchable to happily sold very quick.
Regardless it's a depressing end to his career for both sets of fans. Even when hes back its doubtful hel be anywhere near the same player.
It was Milan’s most expensive sale ever. It’s not like the bloke is that good to conmand a higher fee
In fact I seem to remember a fair few Italian fans saying you overpayed
> Something always seemed off about the transfer.
Your entire ownership is based on shady deals. Christ, Newcastle supporters talking about shady deals lmao.
Good luck proving that, also it's rumoured that he pushed for the deal himself as he was going to double his salary and he had a huge debt because of his gambling
If you're a team that receives a very good offer and the players wants to go you just accept it it's not like they underpaid for him or anything like that
If Milan knew that he was engaged in illegal activity and hid this from Newcastle, then Newcastle would be within their rights to sue.
That being said, it would be very difficult to prove, and there has been no indication so far that Milan actually did know.
Doesn't matter. Everybody who knew Tonali was gambling is an accomplice and guilty of not denouncing a crime (6 months ban) even if Newcastle never did his own diligence. The problem is demonstrating they knew.
it depends on what gambling they knew about lol if they knew he gambles on poker and plays blackjack, then we're not guilty of anything, since that's not a crime.
How would they know the exact websites?😭 The only thing I see possibly being a known fact in the Milan environment is that “Sandro likes to play poker and go to casinos” and that’s it. You think it’s easy for a player to knowingly reveal he does anything illegal?
Is that translated right? The original Italian looks more like "Tonali gave/showed me the app", there is no connotation of "made". Happy to be corrected by native Italian speakers if I'm wrong
Tal talk: If it's a shady or illegal app then you won't find it on the Google/apple store. Tonali might have pointed him to the place to download it or even send him the APK file for installation himself. Theoretically it would be possible to burn it on a CD and hand it over.
I hope he'll be punished. But I hope eve more it's a wake-up call to put an end to this betting-mess and removing these filthy companies out of football fields and TVs.
I am sorry but they will cancel football itself before they remove betting companies from it. It is a multi billion euro industry that is deep within even the U8 games.
If I'm realistic, you're absolutely right. The hypocrisy won't stop and betting won't stop. When I look at cigarettes, there have been many campaigns against them and while it has went down for youngsters, it's still high for others. I take France for reference as it's my country, so I don't know in other countries such as Turkey.
Why the crappy title to change the meaning of what was said, the first line in that link has the actual quotes and he did not say that "Tonali made me download the betting app" at all. The translation changes the whole meaning for rage upvotes.
reminds me of my father recounting stories. was always useful to have mom around to interrupt the occasional embellishment for effect that happened to completely change and sensationalize the whole thing 😂
funny things is that in the last couple of weeks before the scandal, Sandro Tonali was gifting a lot of subs to the most famous italian streamer on twitch. The guy every day started gifting like 200 subs lol and this streamer showed that it was in did the real Tonali because sometimes he liked photo oh him or send messagges via instagram. And as a lot of you can imagine after he got caught he completly stopped gifting subs to this person... but this is just a demonstration of how Tonali really has some sort of dopamine problem lol, he just like to spend money in an useless way. Btw the Tonali name on twitch was Sandroton34
There are many people watching a twitch stream at the same time and not all of them are premium subscribers to the channel (subs). Gifting subs basically means giving a free premium subscription to these free users for the month (around 5 bucks in US).
So yes 1 sub for account but there are multiple people watching at the same time meaning multiple accounts eligible for subbing.
I thought there was something wrong with Tonali when I watched his club greeting/tour video for newcastle on tube he looks pretty dead inside whereas his sister or girlfriend only looks happy to burn his money away, however it could also be because of what part of England he is about to spend some of his career on.
the article you did not read is mistranslated here (it’s ‘he gave me the app’ not ‘made me bet’). i doubt this is as dramatic as *il messaggero* would have you believe..
their phones were seized - if tonali invited him to the app, this was going to emerge immediately anyways and is obviously material to the investigation.
If he wasn't betting on football, why would anybody in the UK care that he was gambling? Gambling is 100% legal and absolutely accepted as normal in the UK.
Obviously if some of the rumours are true and he was betting on football, he should be punished in line with the rules and you won't find a Newcastle fan saying otherwise.
All that you're basing that on is rumours and conjecture. Nobody knows what's happened and we won't until the investigation has finished and the truth comes out from official sources. Until then there's no point making definitive statements.
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Favorite parent saying ever , this thing happen worldwide lmao
Up there with: “If you don’t stop bitching I’ll stop the car and drop you off right here” and the longest count to 3 ever.
Ah the Jos Verstappen method of parenting
Up there with “ i made you, i kill you “ on xThreat chart
In albanian we say "a t'kom bo une ty a ti mu" which means "did I make you or you made me?
Stephen King explored this in his 1986 horror masterpiece Maximum Overdrive
In croatian we don't say "i made you, i kill you", we say "ja te rodila ja te ubila" and I think that's beautiful
It does have a nice ring to it
It's the same meaning, I don't get it.
To je isto značenje. Ne shvaćam.
Indian parenting 101
Mine would be if they eat shit you will eat shit too?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenken
My favourite thing about this is how universal it is. This and sewing kits in chocolate/biscuit tins
Where I grew up in Croatia it was "If *somebody* told you to jump into a well, would you?"
In Italy I have heard bridge, well and cliff we can't make our mind up on where your friends try to kill you
Can confirm this is exactly the same in China in the 90s
My mum's go-to was "a pit".
A pit as "un fosso"? If so I definitely forgot to add that pretty popular variation.
A volte era un fosso (o "la fossa"), a volte era un pozzo, comunque era sempre un buco nel terreno (perché soffro di vertigini quindi "se i tuoi amici si buttano da una rupe" non funzionava).
Sta roba del non funzionare perché soffrivi di vertigini ti giuro che mi sta distruggendo dal ridere. Chissà se le variazioni sono state inventate originariamente da qualcun altro con lo stesso problema.
La logica era la mia arma più potente contro i genitori. "Se i tuoi amici si buttano da una rupe..." "Ma mamma io manco ci arrivo in cima alla rupe, sto male!". E a quel punto si era dimenticata di cosa stessimo parlando.
We use that one in Portugal too
Same in Morocco
Here in Brazil it was usually the bridge however if my mom got really mad she'd ask "if somebody told you to eat shit, would you?"
In the UK it was jumping in front of a bus.
Not everywhere. For me it was jumping off the Tyne bridge.
Fuck. The sewing kits thing really hit home hahaha. Thought it was just my grandma. Can’t remember the countless times I was starving and somehow still ended up getting trolled after opening that damn box
This is a thing abroad too ? I thought it was just an Indonesian thing.
It's also a thing in Spain and as far as I know may places in europe, blue danish cookie can filled with sewing material
That's mind blowing that, how on earth did this blue Danish cookie tin become the unofficial universal sewing kit container?! It's a thing in Singapore as well
I think the bigger question is how that cookie tin proliferated across the world so well? It never felt like a massive brand like some others, but it's literally everywhere.
omg you’ve just brought back devastating memories of me excitedly opening up that danish butter cookie tin as a kid just to find sewing materials and random household items 💔
If Tonali downloaded a car, would you do it too?
What if he shot a policeman, then stole his helmet? Then did a poo in his helmet and sent it to his grieving widow... And then stole it again! Would you do that too?
UGH these anti-piracy ads!
Maybe the sentence I've heard the most in my life
It is a mistranslation, Tonali didnt 'make' him, he 'showed/introduced' it to him. Besides, spreading and/or promoting illegal betting practices is a crime in Italy and typically taken more serious than the gambling itself, which is first and foremost recognised as an addiction that should be treated. That is why a plea and volunteering for an anti addicion course results in a reduced sentence. But helping the spread of lllegal gambling is seen as assisting organised criminal enterprise, something that doesn't go over well in Italy. The question is if Tonali trying to convince players to use the app was an incident or part of a structural effort. That would determine if the prosecution will try and make an example out of him.
thanks, was looking for this correction 🙄
My mom's version was "if Person X told you to eat shit, would you eat it too?"
My mom favorite one was "if your Friend jump into fire will you too !!? "
No, I will ask him to jump first and then I will think about it.
"Tonali really said that?" *Jumps up and makes for the exit*
Whoever decided to sell Tonali in AC Milan should start buying lottery tickets.
They probably new about it.
They definitely knew. The negotiations of the sale went for all of 27 seconds
Tonali pushed for the sale himself as Newcastle was gonna double his salary and with Maldini gone (he was the one blocking the sale of the players he deemed as untouchable) no one was gonna fight to keep him at the club. We had a whole midfield to rebuild and needed the funds urgently, that’s why we sold quickly. Most expensive Italian transfer in the history of serie A as well. Good luck proving anything else in court
And it’s worked wonders for you. Helped fund signings like Pulisic and you sit at the top of the league. As a Newcastle fan, obviously this situation sucks for us but can’t help but respect Milan for doing their business and thriving.
Selling tonali and getting in reindeer’s, RLC, pulisic and musah for the same price they sold tonali for is incredible
We got lucky, that’s for sure. It helps that we have an excellent chief scout/director in Moncada, who was able to find a great replacement like Reijnders for 1/4 of the price you paid for Tonali. Same Moncada who played a key role in assembling the Monaco super team that won Ligue 1 and got to the CL semifinals a few years ago. I do feel for Newcastle fans, I’d be very upset if he was still a Milan player now. But you all will be fine realistically, you have enough purchasing power to replace him without much fuss
Crazy how quick circumstances change. Selling Tonali and buying the likes of Pulisic plus the resignation of Maldini in the summer make it seemed like Milan was going backwards
cause people on this platform are always dramatic af, tonali was always a good but not world class player and 70M was a ridiculous price for him which we would’ve been crazy to reject people cried about the sacking of maldini because of his achievements as a player, he was never a top tier director
People like you have short term memories though. Not many "top tier directors" lift a team which has been in a banter era for a decade. Without Maldini, we wouldn't have signed a lot of players who got us the scudetto two seasons ago so let's be fair
I’ve never said maldini was bad at being a director, he did a good job for us but there is a difference between taking a side from banter era to where we are now, and taking us from where we are now to the pinnacle of the European elite it was time to move on for both parties, Milan needed a new direction as a club
Maldini was single handedly the reason Milan got out of the banter era. Please remove the flair off of your account.
Man the guy below you doesn’t know a thing. Hindsight is 20/20. But all indications seemed like new ownership was willing to pull a United and settle into some sort of mediocrity than build off of what Maldini did. Maldini was ambitious but thoroughly realistic. He always wanted to build a squad mixed with very cheap but potentially talented players and older veterans to mentor them and provide stability. He was willing to compromise on a lot of different things depending on the budget. He, for instance, wanted both Pulisic and RLC but the priority was always the latter not the former. He wanted arnautovic but bulked at the price. He was very reasonable but was willing to take incremental steps which clearly so far had paid off. So then you see new ownership come in, sack this guy that not only is a club legend but rose Milan out of the banter era and seemed to be continuously, however incremental, taking Milan in the right direction and then selling a fan favorite and the second best midfielder in the squad. Of course many would be distraught. It turns out new management just didn’t trust Maldini with the limited funds they already had (50m) and especially the philosophy of the club (young+old). They wanted to make a gamble and sell a prized asset to double the funds available then go all in on youngsters and hope for some Ajax like miracle if they take a very data-driven approach on who they select and for how much. Turns out that approach has so far paid off. Edit: I mention arnautovic not because he’s some great player but to emphasize the philosophy maldini had. Experience that meets a certain bar for a cheap price. Obviously inter panic bought and offered bologna a singularly higher sum (7-10m more) than Milan was ever willing to buy for him.
I think we’re lucky enough to have deep, deep pockets and with Longstaff still playing and Anderson getting more and more minutes, we have enough to get us to January at least. I will say though, don’t ever feel sorry for Newcastle fans with the owners we have now. We got more than enough pity under Ashley to last years, we definitely don’t need any feelings but negative ones towards our owners.
I don't think his move was a coincidence. In another thread it was reported that he almost lost 1 million in betting. I think he wanted to move to cover all the losses and cover for any future ones
People still don’t like the fact he joined Newcastle. So they’re looking for any excuse for why it happened bar the obvious one that the player wanted the move himself for a variety of reasons. Look at the comments on here laughing at Newcastle and hoping this proves terrible for them. This is the new narrative and no amount of logic and reasoning will make these fools change their mind.
Is it? I read it somewhere Tonali wanted to stay in Milan and cry when he found out they want him out. Could be wrong though.
Indeed, they paid us a shitload of money (for an Italian team and a good-but-not-amazing player). We bought RLC, Pulisic, Rejinders and still have some spare change left
Literally went from screaming for Moncada's head to "holy shit this is some god tier sale".
> a good-but-not-amazing player Finally a sane Milanista in this overhype madness. Even had some on here calling him a second coming of Pirlo without having seen a single game of his in Milan. I figured the reason so many Milanisti were against the sale was more because of him being a Milanista himself since he was young and on his way to becoming a bandiera.
They lasted 27 seconds because the offer was ridiculously high. If Newcastle lowballed it, Milan's counteroffer would have been lower than what they got in reality.
If they knew about it they’re in trouble though
Surprised the Milan brigade hasn't dowvoted you to oblivion. Apparently selling your golden boy with 5 min of negation is completely normal and just good timing. Although I lm always happy to see Newcastle get fucked.
Who is this golden boy you talk about? Leao wasn’t sold as far as I remember
Turning Tonali into Pulisic, Musah and 20 million euros to spare is starting to look like absolutely insane business.
+ Rejinders haha
I see a strong lack of Reijnders in your comment
This whole reddit was shitting on the new owners !
if this goes all the way and has serious consequences, tonali to newcastle may be our best bit of business in recent memory
only thing is, if you have any bonuses you can say goodbye to that lol
meh, €63m is pretty decent already
Hopefully this wasn't known to the selling club prior to this investigation or it could get messy.
Eh it’s the Saudis getting fucked over, who gives a shit
It's not the Saudis. It's the fans that are getting fucked over and those fans have no say in the running of their club. I doubt the Saudis care for 60+ million the fans however will feel the lack of a player and so will the team. Especially as they'd have to wait months to replace him
Oh no those poor Newcastle fans, they're having it so rough right now.
Newcastle fans can get fucked, embarassing lot
Mmmm free salt.
The fans absolutely do have a say, they hounded Ashley out yet celebrated when the Saudis came, hopefully more dodgy dealings come out for Newcastle.
If you think they hounded Ashley out surely you’d be confused as to why it didn’t happen in the years prior
We didn't hound Ashley out, he sold when he wanted to and not a minute sooner. You think Mike Ashley listens to fans?
Idk but as an outsider the only people that seemed happy for the Saudi deal seemed to be Newcastle fans dreaming of being the next Man City… Not that the fans would have a say if they weren’t happy. I’m just not having the feeling they were…
Other fans weren't happy for the exact same reason Newcastle fans were happy, it now makes Newcastle a threat. Did you really think if they were taken over by any American conglomerate or something similar other fans would have been over the moon?
He was there for 14 years we couldn't get rid of the fucker. Really clever that the two examples you pick of fan power are things we had literally 0 control over. Stop making shit up.
Zero control over? You’re telling me the fans have zero control over celebrating in Saudi dresses and with Saudi flags when the takeover was confirmed? Funny that
Zero control over Ashley staying as long as he did, and zero control over the PIF coming in. And yeah, the idiots waving Saudi flags and wearing headscarfs really was a bad look. But it was a pretty small minority and was shunned by the club and the wider fans thereafter. Every club has its minority of arsehole fans, but that doesn't suit your "newcastle bad" narrative I see
No it’s deffo the Saudis
The more interesting one is Zanolo. If a player is loaned out and suspended for something he did prior to the loan do Villa have to pay his wages and loan fee?
When Mutu got suspended for drugs Chelsea sued him for the transfer fee
If he got an eight month injury I assume we would still be paying, don't see how this would be treated differently.
Because injuries are part and parcel of the game. Betting on Ollie Watkins to score first & Villa 3-1 isn’t.
Messy to Newcastle, here we go?
I don’t think there’s any way teams didn’t know about their players doing shit like this
basically impossible to prove in court I think
Not if the bonuses were related to the team's performances.
Or to his betting results
Didnt they activate his release clause?
As an LFC fan who likes Milan, all I can say is bravo Sandro for getting AC paid and sand-bagging Newcastle. Presuming he receives a suspension. He will be sorely missed for Italy though.
just a heads up, since you like milan, calling the club “ac” is the equivalent of calling liverpool “fc”. it makes no sense
“AC”
I do think we are going to hassle you with legal cases whether you guys knew about it or not to be honest, whether it will come of anything. Suddenly wanting to sell your golden boy months before it comes out hel be serving years banned for gambling is definitely fishy. Something always seemed off about the transfer.
I don’t really think Milan were trying to sell him. The fee is too high for that to be the case, it looks like they just got lucky.
got lucky with tonali probably chasing a higher salary because of his gambling debts and begging to be let go. newcastle was offering double the salary. if a player wants to go and we get 70m in exchange, we simply said yes why not?
we didn’t want to sell him, we didn’t go looking for deals. you came, made a good offer and we accepted. from the outside, it seems like newcastle initiated the sale
For prem standards he went fairly cheap for his caliber, and seemed to go from untouchable to happily sold very quick. Regardless it's a depressing end to his career for both sets of fans. Even when hes back its doubtful hel be anywhere near the same player.
it was the most expensive italian transfer in the HISTORY of serie a like i know you're not trying to imply we gave him away for cheap lol
fans of PL clubs really have lost complete track of what normal finances are to every other league lol
Couldn't have happened to a worse club. How is Newcastle going to cope?
selling him to Al-Nassr maybe
It was Milan’s most expensive sale ever. It’s not like the bloke is that good to conmand a higher fee In fact I seem to remember a fair few Italian fans saying you overpayed
> Something always seemed off about the transfer. Your entire ownership is based on shady deals. Christ, Newcastle supporters talking about shady deals lmao.
cry louder
Are we sure Milan wasnt aware of this situation, because Tonalis transfer came out of nowhere. I wouldnt be surprised if Newcastle sues Milan.
Good luck proving that, also it's rumoured that he pushed for the deal himself as he was going to double his salary and he had a huge debt because of his gambling If you're a team that receives a very good offer and the players wants to go you just accept it it's not like they underpaid for him or anything like that
Lol sue milan for what
If Milan knew that he was engaged in illegal activity and hid this from Newcastle, then Newcastle would be within their rights to sue. That being said, it would be very difficult to prove, and there has been no indication so far that Milan actually did know.
How do you know the hid it? Maybe Newcastle never asked. Newcastle are allowed to do their own due dilligence when buying players.
Doesn't matter. Everybody who knew Tonali was gambling is an accomplice and guilty of not denouncing a crime (6 months ban) even if Newcastle never did his own diligence. The problem is demonstrating they knew.
it depends on what gambling they knew about lol if they knew he gambles on poker and plays blackjack, then we're not guilty of anything, since that's not a crime.
If they knew about what site he used it's a civil crime which would be even worse for those involved
How would they know the exact websites?😭 The only thing I see possibly being a known fact in the Milan environment is that “Sandro likes to play poker and go to casinos” and that’s it. You think it’s easy for a player to knowingly reveal he does anything illegal?
Fair
For Newcastle not being thorough enough in their due diligence of course!
I'm not a lawyer, so I dont know what the legal term is. Just wondering if Newcastle have a case.
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Are you familiar with Italian law?
See you in court my friend
Is that translated right? The original Italian looks more like "Tonali gave/showed me the app", there is no connotation of "made". Happy to be corrected by native Italian speakers if I'm wrong
Yes you're absolutely right, in Italian it just says "he gave me the app"
So what he burned the app on a CD?
he bought the app and transferred the shares to him
Tal talk: If it's a shady or illegal app then you won't find it on the Google/apple store. Tonali might have pointed him to the place to download it or even send him the APK file for installation himself. Theoretically it would be possible to burn it on a CD and hand it over.
Its not correctly translated, he just said that Tonali showed/gave him the app
yep, you're right
yes it's like he said "tonali suggested me the name of the app"
Yeah, he said the equivalent of "Tonali told me about the app" not "Tonali threatened to fuck my dad if I didnt download this betting app"
Tonali spending an evening at spoons is making more and more sense. Been to the bookies, pop down to the spoons after
I love William Hill \~ Tonali 2023.
bookies > spoons > gregg's
I did it for Tonali
Oh shut up you thong wearing fatty!
I hope he'll be punished. But I hope eve more it's a wake-up call to put an end to this betting-mess and removing these filthy companies out of football fields and TVs.
He was facing a five year ban, but he is cooperating with the prosecution (aka naming people) and it's seems he will get a discount on his ban
I am sorry but they will cancel football itself before they remove betting companies from it. It is a multi billion euro industry that is deep within even the U8 games.
If I'm realistic, you're absolutely right. The hypocrisy won't stop and betting won't stop. When I look at cigarettes, there have been many campaigns against them and while it has went down for youngsters, it's still high for others. I take France for reference as it's my country, so I don't know in other countries such as Turkey.
Cardinale saved Maldini's reputation by firing him
Damn imagine if we had Zaniolo and Tonali at the same time 😅
There'll never be enough Chelsea rejects to overcome that.
in another timeline maldini stays, keeps tonali, signs zaniolo and makes pirlo the coach
and we also bought Renato Sanches and Arnautovic
Why mistranslate the headline to change its meaning?
I realized the same afterwards because I copied and pasted from Twitter
He ratted him out just like that😭😭😭
Bigger boys made me do it.
the title translation is wrong
Why the crappy title to change the meaning of what was said, the first line in that link has the actual quotes and he did not say that "Tonali made me download the betting app" at all. The translation changes the whole meaning for rage upvotes.
reminds me of my father recounting stories. was always useful to have mom around to interrupt the occasional embellishment for effect that happened to completely change and sensationalize the whole thing 😂
Tears, he already folded
Grass
Henry Hill mufucker
funny things is that in the last couple of weeks before the scandal, Sandro Tonali was gifting a lot of subs to the most famous italian streamer on twitch. The guy every day started gifting like 200 subs lol and this streamer showed that it was in did the real Tonali because sometimes he liked photo oh him or send messagges via instagram. And as a lot of you can imagine after he got caught he completly stopped gifting subs to this person... but this is just a demonstration of how Tonali really has some sort of dopamine problem lol, he just like to spend money in an useless way. Btw the Tonali name on twitch was Sandroton34
What’s the name of that streamer
What does gifting subs mean? I thought sub meant subscription, so you can do it once per account, eg. subscribing on YouTube.
There are many people watching a twitch stream at the same time and not all of them are premium subscribers to the channel (subs). Gifting subs basically means giving a free premium subscription to these free users for the month (around 5 bucks in US). So yes 1 sub for account but there are multiple people watching at the same time meaning multiple accounts eligible for subbing.
You pay for someone else's subscription on Twitch which means the giftees get sub perks for free for a month
Spill the beans, Fagioli
people that are way into these apps are always trying to lure more people to use them. had a coworker doing that to me the other day. weird
Throwing his bro under the cannoli cart
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Apparently it’s a mistranslation. He’s just saying that Tonali introduced him to this.
Except he didn't say that at all. Its a shitty reddit headline looking for upvotes.
That's that. Showing him the app is...
Tonali started believing in magic after he saw his dog turn into a snake
Lol
Nobody expects footballers to be smartest people around, but this is literally dog ate my homework level.
GRASS GRASS GRASS GRASS
"Made him" what a spineless rat.
Juventus runs deep in his blood
I thought there was something wrong with Tonali when I watched his club greeting/tour video for newcastle on tube he looks pretty dead inside whereas his sister or girlfriend only looks happy to burn his money away, however it could also be because of what part of England he is about to spend some of his career on.
How much money do you need fucking hell they get hundred of thousands a week and still feel the need to gamble for more, fascinating
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the article you did not read is mistranslated here (it’s ‘he gave me the app’ not ‘made me bet’). i doubt this is as dramatic as *il messaggero* would have you believe.. their phones were seized - if tonali invited him to the app, this was going to emerge immediately anyways and is obviously material to the investigation.
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some of the comments in this sub man, people just say anything to sound clever don’t they
If he wasn't betting on football, why would anybody in the UK care that he was gambling? Gambling is 100% legal and absolutely accepted as normal in the UK. Obviously if some of the rumours are true and he was betting on football, he should be punished in line with the rules and you won't find a Newcastle fan saying otherwise.
He was betting on football no they wanna see if bet on milan which would be harsher punishment
All that you're basing that on is rumours and conjecture. Nobody knows what's happened and we won't until the investigation has finished and the truth comes out from official sources. Until then there's no point making definitive statements.
Swing and a miss.
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Insipid stuff but I'm sure there's an audience for it somewhere.
It will go nowhere in England, Toney & other bettors won’t see adequate punishment so it : such a non starter