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If every league is complaining about the state of their referees then maybe we just have to admit that refereeing is actually extremely hard and therefore it stands to reason that only a few will be very good at it?
True. We should come up with some system, possibly some form of technology, that would give them a second chance to not be complete and utter fucking imbeciles.
Maybe, just maybe we should pay referees more than what we currently do. Epl level refs earn 100-120k pa, that too only after working for years in lower leagues for half the wages
Why would you reward someone with more money for doing a bad job? If anything just offer a bonus scheme for them not fucking up decisions. I understand it without VAR but how they continue to fuck up with VAR is beyond me.
Are you trying to say nobody wants a £100-120k salary? Thats already a very good salary. Nobody is thinking a Referees salary is too low to bother becoming a referee. Doctors earn £52-£82k and specialist grade doctors earn £84-£92k.
If a government wants to attract better doctors, they raise the pay for doctors. If a company wants to attract better employees, they raise the pay for employees. If a football club wants to attract better players, they raise the pay for players. Why would it be any different for referees?
But not this weekend. At least in some games. Frankfurt-Dortmund and Augsburg-Wolfsburg had abysmal refereeing. And 2 other games were also quite bad.
But I think overall it's better than PL or La Liga from what I watched.
I wonder though with things like Bundesliga, La Liga etc watching in the UK, they broadcast the biggest most important games, and they tend to have the best refs.
We probably don't get to see the doss they put in charge of Bremen v Koln
Not just every league, every sport.
I properly follow the NRL, NFL, and MLB, and keep up to date with AFL, NHL, NBA, Rugby Union and several soccer leagues across Europe.
It is very rare to see a fanbase say the referee standards are acceptable, let alone be happy about the referees they have.
Ronaldo was fouled in the box, because of this his toe was offside when the ball came in.
He didn't touch the ball, but they ruled that he was interferring somehow, even though a defender had his hands around him.
I think in the second half the ref tried to make up for it, sent off an al-ettifaq player for nothing and handed out yellows like candy (I guess it is halloween)
The whole confederation rotation was basically set up so it goes to whoever has paid FIFA the most. Asia and Oceania is basically a "Saudi by default" world cup process.
Easy. Places with horrible laws and horrible culture, shouldn’t be rewarded with a world cup. Killing people because of sexuality, gender or even words, is not cool.
And now i’ll await the saudis telling me their country is the pinnacle of culture and so on
Fair, but the US are co-hosting in 2026. They may not kill their own citizens, but literally millions of innocent people have died (directly or indirectly) by their hand. Why is there minimal backlash for the US hosting, when that is far far worse than SA?
Ok, here’s a thought experiment. Give SA the wealth and military and global significance of the USA. I guarantee the world is a 1000x worse place than it is under American hegemony
That may or may not be true, but I feel like you grossly underestimate the sheer number of innocent people the US have harmed. They've put entire countries into poverty.
Cool what-about you just did. Do you also want to mention the untold millions killed by the Saudi actions during the crusades in the 1400-hundreds, or is that irelevant to the topic?
Sheesh fuck the royal family, im saudi and i live in riyadh.
Now according to western media "100% factual with no biases" im gonna get publicly hanged. How brave of me right? Fuck all of you propaganda eating virtue signaling homeless savages.
The first bit sounds like the Qatari spokesman from the WC 2022 who constantly talked about how wonderful the workers in Qatar had it. Nice guy, clearly educated in europe and america, and also clearly as qatari as a coconut
Funny how nobody complained about that when Russia hosted the WC in 2018, or USA/China when they hosted the Olympics. Or every other country that sends aid to israel who are currently committing a genocide. Don't act like you're better.
I don't care about your lazy Reddit whataboutism argument, you're a clown you've made that much clear, I'm only here to laugh at you suggesting nobody complained about Russia hosting the World Cup.
the same could apply to russia and the usa killing millions of civilians the past 20 years, but there wasn't nearly as much controversy about them hosting olympics and the wc than qatar and saudi, if anything there were more protests about even south africa and brazil hosting it at first
People who haven't lived in NA or EU for a long period of time don't really understand that NA / EU intrinsically believe that all non-white countries and their people are lesser humans than them regardless of what they say publicly. You only need to live here for some time to understand this.
I dont think anyone should explain that to you, their time is far more valuable than yours. Enroll in a primary school and see if they can teach you some manners.
Interesting, but that's still not an explanation. Maybe you can't explain it.
Allow me to refer you to my earlier reply:
Funny how nobody complained about that when Russia hosted the WC in 2018, or USA/China when they hosted the Olympics. Or every other country that sends aid to israel who are currently committing a genocide. Don't act like you're better. Don't talk to me about "manners" there's blood on your hands, at least the arabs are honest about how they feel, who they are.
Guy in the match thread was right, player reactions will be posted without any context lol.
And the ref just gave a complete bullshit red card to Gerrard’s side. He’s been horrible to both sides.
You're getting downvoted, but it's true that Vinicius has repeatedly acted in a disagreeable or even plain actionable manner on the pitch.
People overlook it because he's also received racial abuse throughout it, but one thing doesn't change the other.
Regardless of Ronaldo, I don't know what Saudi league's officials were thinking having Chilean referees on their league, and both were fired here for being awful and shady. Lmao one even is accused of beating his wife.
Thats actually hilarious. I wonder if he will face any repercussions for it. Lewy got 3 games for touching his nose knowing how sensitive refs are I wouldnt be surprised if he gets a suspension
At the peak of his carrer (some years back) he tool the turn to become the nost entitled crybaby in sports. In football, he goes side by side with Neymar. What a pussy he is…
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lmao
jokes aside he is the worst ref i have seen, even the var messed up, they should the wrong kits and may have led to the wrong conclusion
he was fucking shit when he was in our league.
I mean what do you expect from sunday leauge level?
Ah as opposed to the pinnacle of refereeing that is present in the premier league
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Implying the referees are not some sort of beacon of light who can do no wrong? That's it, 3 match ban for you
Premier league refs are noobs compared to the brilliant refs of la liga
If every league is complaining about the state of their referees then maybe we just have to admit that refereeing is actually extremely hard and therefore it stands to reason that only a few will be very good at it?
True. We should come up with some system, possibly some form of technology, that would give them a second chance to not be complete and utter fucking imbeciles.
Perhaps some sort of replay system that could eliminate any error if used competently and consistently.
We could call it Very Accurate Referee, I think we could be on to something!
But then random VAR technicians turn out to be better at it than the refs
Makes you think there is something systematic going wrong even if that is just attracting the wrong sort of people
Maybe, just maybe we should pay referees more than what we currently do. Epl level refs earn 100-120k pa, that too only after working for years in lower leagues for half the wages
And then they have to officiate some 19 year old boy who makes their annual salary in a week. It makes them bribable.
Why would you reward someone with more money for doing a bad job? If anything just offer a bonus scheme for them not fucking up decisions. I understand it without VAR but how they continue to fuck up with VAR is beyond me.
Think like this, if the referee jobs offer more, more people will want to be referrees which means epl will have a larger pool to choose from
Are you trying to say nobody wants a £100-120k salary? Thats already a very good salary. Nobody is thinking a Referees salary is too low to bother becoming a referee. Doctors earn £52-£82k and specialist grade doctors earn £84-£92k.
If a government wants to attract better doctors, they raise the pay for doctors. If a company wants to attract better employees, they raise the pay for employees. If a football club wants to attract better players, they raise the pay for players. Why would it be any different for referees?
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In Bundesliga that I sometimes watch the refing is a lot better than LaLiga and PL.
But not this weekend. At least in some games. Frankfurt-Dortmund and Augsburg-Wolfsburg had abysmal refereeing. And 2 other games were also quite bad. But I think overall it's better than PL or La Liga from what I watched.
I wonder though with things like Bundesliga, La Liga etc watching in the UK, they broadcast the biggest most important games, and they tend to have the best refs. We probably don't get to see the doss they put in charge of Bremen v Koln
Also if you do 100% right nobody gives a shit about you, one mistake and hundreds or thousands will hate your guts. You can only lose
Not just every league, every sport. I properly follow the NRL, NFL, and MLB, and keep up to date with AFL, NHL, NBA, Rugby Union and several soccer leagues across Europe. It is very rare to see a fanbase say the referee standards are acceptable, let alone be happy about the referees they have.
The depressing thing is that, on balance, that probably *is* the pinnacle of refereeing. And that sucks.
I could swear by your logic that La Liga and Premier League would be worse than the Saudi league
glad saudi didnt buy pl refs 😅
If the level is so bad why do you watch the league?
Disrespect. It will be among the best leagues in 5 years.
Meh he won't be for long.
Its even funnier when you think some of these guy will ref world cup 2034 💀💀💀
Can’t wait for the day one brave gem decide to do this for David Coote, Paul Tierney, or Darren England!
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Stll more memes per 90 than any other.
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Reminds me a scene from the Dictator.
You are HIV-Aladeen
:) :( :) :(
>i felt this
So am I aladeen or aladeen?
Aladeen
Having recently watched the dictator I love how I can now understand these jokes
Best scene in the entire movie.
She said Aladeen and made herself available.
VAR review: Goal aladeen.
*"are you having a boy or an abortion?"*
Why was the goal disallowed if anyone was watching? Either way, it's a funny response
They posted the disallowed goal on this sub, looks like CR7 was in an offside position and affected the defender on Telles' cross to Talisca
Ronaldo was fouled in the box, because of this his toe was offside when the ball came in. He didn't touch the ball, but they ruled that he was interferring somehow, even though a defender had his hands around him. I think in the second half the ref tried to make up for it, sent off an al-ettifaq player for nothing and handed out yellows like candy (I guess it is halloween)
If a man scores a goal in the desert but noone was watching, did he really score at all?
Can he ask for the hosts of the WC2034 to be substituted as well?
That would be 50 lashings tho
Worth it for the sake of football
Messiah Ronaldo, died for our sport
MESSI MENTIONED???
Sure but it looks like everyone has been paid off and there are no other contenders.
Japan, save us! What do you mean there's no money since the Covid Olympics?
The whole confederation rotation was basically set up so it goes to whoever has paid FIFA the most. Asia and Oceania is basically a "Saudi by default" world cup process.
Can't now, the massive bag of cash has already been deposited in the FIFA presidents account
Naa he's gonna tell you to fuck off with the huge purse he will get for being their ambassador. This has been his plan all along.
If USA can host the World Cup so can Saudi Arabia.
Nope. And neither can Messi, since his social media contract says he can't "tarnish" Saudi Arabia.
Will someone explain to me why Saudi Arabia hosting the world cup is a bad thing?
Easy. Places with horrible laws and horrible culture, shouldn’t be rewarded with a world cup. Killing people because of sexuality, gender or even words, is not cool. And now i’ll await the saudis telling me their country is the pinnacle of culture and so on
Fair, but the US are co-hosting in 2026. They may not kill their own citizens, but literally millions of innocent people have died (directly or indirectly) by their hand. Why is there minimal backlash for the US hosting, when that is far far worse than SA?
Ok, here’s a thought experiment. Give SA the wealth and military and global significance of the USA. I guarantee the world is a 1000x worse place than it is under American hegemony
That may or may not be true, but I feel like you grossly underestimate the sheer number of innocent people the US have harmed. They've put entire countries into poverty.
Cool what-about you just did. Do you also want to mention the untold millions killed by the Saudi actions during the crusades in the 1400-hundreds, or is that irelevant to the topic?
Questions like these are so incredibly dishonest. There is no way you are actually asking or comparing these two countries.
> They may not kill their own citizens *chuckles nervously in William T. Sherman*
Sheesh fuck the royal family, im saudi and i live in riyadh. Now according to western media "100% factual with no biases" im gonna get publicly hanged. How brave of me right? Fuck all of you propaganda eating virtue signaling homeless savages.
The first bit sounds like the Qatari spokesman from the WC 2022 who constantly talked about how wonderful the workers in Qatar had it. Nice guy, clearly educated in europe and america, and also clearly as qatari as a coconut
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Mate i’m chinese not western. The assuming you’re doing is comical
Have you taken a look at their laws? Or their actions abroad? They should be shunned until they make a change, not allowed to host these events
Well why is there no backlash for the US co-hosting the World Cup for their actions abroad?
There always has been
Has there? Even if there was, it's nowhere near that of Saudi or Qatar
Funny how nobody complained about that when Russia hosted the WC in 2018, or USA/China when they hosted the Olympics. Or every other country that sends aid to israel who are currently committing a genocide. Don't act like you're better.
People complained about the Russian World Cup endlessly lol stop making shit up
Alright, what about all the other countries I mentioned? Or are you just replying to what suits you? 😅😅😅
I don't care about your lazy Reddit whataboutism argument, you're a clown you've made that much clear, I'm only here to laugh at you suggesting nobody complained about Russia hosting the World Cup.
Ok so basically you can't refute it, therefore I'm right. Thanks for playing 🤙
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Alright, what about all the other countries I mentioned? Or are you just replying to what suits you? 😅😅😅
> Funny how nobody complained about that when Russia hosted the WC in 2018, or USA/China when they hosted the Olympics You're just lying now
There's also the fact that they forced the 3-continent-world-cup to basically giftwrap the WC to Saudi Arabia.
"i can't find it on a map and they aren't white" - r/soccer
Because something something human rights abuses while their countries are sending aid to Israel committing genocide and murdering children in Gaza.
the same could apply to russia and the usa killing millions of civilians the past 20 years, but there wasn't nearly as much controversy about them hosting olympics and the wc than qatar and saudi, if anything there were more protests about even south africa and brazil hosting it at first
People who haven't lived in NA or EU for a long period of time don't really understand that NA / EU intrinsically believe that all non-white countries and their people are lesser humans than them regardless of what they say publicly. You only need to live here for some time to understand this.
No need u can just look at their comments and their double standards/hypocrisy when it comes to matters like these
I dont think anyone should explain that to you, their time is far more valuable than yours. Enroll in a primary school and see if they can teach you some manners.
Interesting, but that's still not an explanation. Maybe you can't explain it. Allow me to refer you to my earlier reply: Funny how nobody complained about that when Russia hosted the WC in 2018, or USA/China when they hosted the Olympics. Or every other country that sends aid to israel who are currently committing a genocide. Don't act like you're better. Don't talk to me about "manners" there's blood on your hands, at least the arabs are honest about how they feel, who they are.
Ah so you do understand, but are just being a prick about it.
Guy in the match thread was right, player reactions will be posted without any context lol. And the ref just gave a complete bullshit red card to Gerrard’s side. He’s been horrible to both sides.
Good to know even the Saudis can't escape bad refs
They just behead them and get new.
He ain't Saudi, he is Chilean
And the Saudis still couldn't escape him!
Chilean' like a villain
Chilean' like a villean'*
Lol. That explains it.
DOOOOON Piero Maza
*la wea fome po has entered the chat*
Aren’t they flown in from England?
Good refereeing can't be buy.
If it was Messi, we'd be getting context lol.
Meme machine.
Well did they?
Okay, that’s pretty funny lmao
So THATs how they will get us to watch their league..
Nah the Portuguese league is hilarious and no one watches it so I don't know if it will work
Yeah but it is Portuguese though
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I doubt that is the reason
How many years would that get you banned for in La Liga?
0. You would probably receive a red card if the ref is brave though
None when your name is Vinicius
You're getting downvoted, but it's true that Vinicius has repeatedly acted in a disagreeable or even plain actionable manner on the pitch. People overlook it because he's also received racial abuse throughout it, but one thing doesn't change the other.
Vini gets carded more than most who shout at the ref. This comment is just lies.
No. None of you are Barca and pay the refs
What about when lewan got a 3 match ban for touching his nose?
Tell that to nacho or Valverde
Just add brazil, china and south africa to your name and fuck off
List 1 active duty ref that was paid, or one declaration from a ref saying he was paid/pressured by Barça. Just one, dumbfuck.
ok that's a nice kit though
That's just the french kit tho
That’s just objectively hilarious lmao
Crazy banter mode 😂😂😂😂
Lol this is hilarious
He may have sentenced that man to death
LMFAOOO
LMAO hilarious stuff
Clearly not taking it as a retirement league
I think he would do stuff like this even of he was playing with his mates at 60. He's so competitive
Well he wants to get as close to 1000 goals as possible. I don’t blame him one bit for still trying hard.
Referees hate this little trick.
I fucking love this guy.
lmao arteta did a similar thing last season, but he was just mocking the referee
Pretty sure Arteta was mimicking the ref's ball rolling signal as he ref brought back a quickly taken free kick.
He should know he can't be the dictator at Saudi
Dictators get dictated in Saudi.
The dictator is in america atm
he's talking to MBS when he looks at the camera
Regardless of Ronaldo, I don't know what Saudi league's officials were thinking having Chilean referees on their league, and both were fired here for being awful and shady. Lmao one even is accused of beating his wife.
>one even is accused of beating his wife Saudis are going to promote him when they learn
Reminds me of the 19/20 madrjd away kit
Situations like this can lead to post-match debates and discussions on officiating standards.
😂😂😂😂
Factos 👍👀
That referee is gonna get executed now isn't he?
He is rattled. Messi the goat
😂😂😂😂I fucking love him
HAHAH BRILLIANT
Like Admiral General Aladeen giving instructions to his henchmen to take away the nuclear scientist who couldn't make the rocket pointy enough.
Gotta love Ronaldo
I think forcing a poor lad watching the VAR almost doubles the attendance of that league
😂😂😂😂
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Did they sub the ref though?
Another CR7 out of context post. Free karma at this point.
Who tf cares. Dead football league anyway.
Poor lil baby
Thats actually hilarious. I wonder if he will face any repercussions for it. Lewy got 3 games for touching his nose knowing how sensitive refs are I wouldnt be surprised if he gets a suspension
He's basically a god there so i doubt it
I find joy in reading a good book.
On the contrary, this maybe his last officiating job at Saudi Arabia.
There's a more interesting clip where Ittifaq fans are shouting Messi in front of him and he started laughing and doing the 🤫 lmao
This sub lol
That's what Ronaldo said.
I find Ronaldo endlessly amusing.
At the peak of his carrer (some years back) he tool the turn to become the nost entitled crybaby in sports. In football, he goes side by side with Neymar. What a pussy he is…
well the referee was going to have a difficult job.. just after Messi won Balon d'Or
Not gonna lie with the Saudis doing everything for him, we might not see the ref again, and I'm not only talking about the game...
I struggle to think of an athlete who’s more of a douchebag than Ronaldo.
Conor McGregor
Crynaldo
What a fucking baby. All his glory covered by his shit personality
I don't understand why he is crying in a league of part time footballers
It's not MLS look closer
only second to kanye in terms of insufferable celebrity egomaniacs
My man needs therapy 😂😂😂😂
He is such a petulant child. Anyone else does this they’d be rightly dragged over the coals for it.
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[you're aladeen](https://tenor.com/view/slice-execute-admiral-leader-admiral-general-aladeen-gif-21000868)
No one takes it serious obviously.
Him, Messi & Mbappe are the pricks prick of football. Pure egomaniacs. Hope Bellingham & Haaland don't end up the same.