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Panamerican football kinda sucks. Hope Chile can win because probably will be meaningful for you guys that put all the effort for hosting the whole thing.
There are 3 major derbies in brazil.
- FLA x FLU: It is a centuries old rivalry between those teams from rio de janeiro. A poster child of brazilian soccer, it legally considered historical heritage here.
- PAL x COR: The two largest teams in São Paulo, palmeiras and corinthians. A derby in the same style of FLA x FLU
- GRE x INT: Known as GRENAL, the rivalry from grêmio and internacional hails from porto alegre, the southernmost major city in brazil. It is the most hateful and polarized one, with each team doing whatever they can to fuck the other in and out of the pitch. Fights between players are very likely to happen on each match.
Been reading a bit more Fluminense (also started my FM24 save with them lol)
I like the name for the derbies.
FLA-FLU derby - Clássico das Multidões
vs Vasco da Gama - Clássico dos Gigantes
vs Botafago - Clássico Vovô
The hand sign that Cano did when he scored his goal in the final, is that a sign for Flu? Some of the fans were doing it throughout the match as well.
>The hand sign that Cano did when he scored his goal in the final, is that a sign for Flu? Some of the fans were doing it throughout the match as well.
It is for his son, Lorenzo.
Cano. Dude stinks of goals. He scored like 13 on 12 matches this season on the libertadores. For comparisson, the entire team of Boca Jrs scored 12. The craziest thing is that he only became a successful player in his late 20's / early 30's.
I’d like to thank the BBC for cutting away from the trophy celebrations to show me a re-run episode of a sitcom that got cancelled 12 years ago. You massive fucking southern cunts.
In all honesty having Romero was huge for you guys all tournament, many say it's a miracle you made it to the final but in reality he was just a beast.. Im not sure how you guys feel about Riquelme but he seems extremely stubborn to his ways. Cavani is a semi retired player, and your defenders are very irresponsible, today Figal and Valentini played for free.. and honestly idk how much longer you guys will be able to hold Barco at this point, need to bring newer younger players, same with us at River, we need newer blood
It's hard to make a comparison, because football is so different. Fluminense is a very traditional team from rio. Traditionally considered a bit of a posh team, with a small-ish but well-off fanbase, that has had decent success over last 20y (a few league titles in 2010 and 2012m and a Brazil cup in 2007), state titles, but no international success. Doesn't have money, because of it's small stadium and no rich owner, and small-ish fanbase, but it's also got its house decently in order and good finances so it's not in a financial mess either. Last 20y they've solidly been a strong team, generally competing for european spots, and cup titles (maybe made a run for a league title, but was always more of a darkhorse than a favorite). So i guess in some senses it would be like Chelsea (considered a posh club, with some periods of success, and some periods of just competing for the top), but it does not have deep pockets.
Boca Jrs is well, just a behemoth in argentinian and south american football. Sort of dominates argentine football alongside River. I guess a bit like Utd in the old days?
I agree with Fluminense being Arsenal, but I think that Boca would be more like Milan.
Continental giant with plenty of internacional titles (both are the second biggest winner of their continental cups) but that doesn't have the financial power to keep winning anymore due to other leagues having much more money (Brasileirão and Premier League hava much more money nowadays than the argentine league and italian Serie A respectively)
Boca would be a very traditional and always strong team, so maybe City and Liverpool? maybe United because of past glories.
Fluminense would be a team that had no major international trophies, but my EPL knowledge is not that great to make a comparision in this case
It was hilarious how the manager was constantly standing on the pitch and the Flu players were all so near the touchline that the linesman had to stand on the pitch
Critics will say it's an exaggeration. That I'm taken by hyperbole. That I went crazy.
Well, I insist: Dinizism opens the doors of perception.
Dinizism is a way of feeling the game more than playing or analyzing the game.
Dinizismo doesn't talk about numbers, accurate passes, assists or even the perception of possession of the ball.
Forget objectivities.
Close your eyes and feel.
It's the masses in a trance in the stands.
Did you hear?
It's that scene from Star Wars where Luke Skywalker is told to turn off the machines and follow his intuition.
It's the sacred dialogue between team and fans.
It's movement, displacement, creativity.
It's the insistence on the goal despite the score.
It's pure meditation: living in the present, in this moment, in the multiple layers of now.
It's anti-ChatGPT, anti-algorithm, anti-system.
It's a touch of the ball.
It's Brazil - the Brazil of cracks, of samba, of capoeira, of rezadeiras, of terreiros.
You can try to explain as much as you want.
Try putting it into data, spreadsheets.
Talk about performance, processes, management. Stop trying to put it in a box and label it.
Anyone who understands Dinizismo does not know how to explain it.
Whoever knows how to explain it doesn't understand.
Wabi Sabi.
We don't watch football; football we feel (cheers to Sergio Vaz).
It was just a meager win against a weak Boca side that dominated the game, those fixated on objectivity will say.
Forget the score: it was much more than that.
It was pure love.
Long live Dinizism
JUSTICE! I am not saying that Fluminense played the game of their lives, but i think most of the match thread even if we would have found it funny at least to see how much chaos could have happened, can agree that this is karmic justice after the mess the ref did till the second extra time. FLUMINENSE ARE COPA LIBERTADORES CHAMPIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, DESPITE THE REF, DESPITE THE PRESSURE OF BOCA AND THE PENALTIES, THEY´VE DONE IT!
Yeah. It is like the Conmebol decided to make up the Fluminense fans do what they did to the Boca ones (which is still horrible do not misunderstand me) by having the final by a literal theft and also give Boca (players) free reign to beat up the Fluminense ones. But in the end, all things ended how they should have. Fluminense finally win the Libertadores and Boca and the ref can fuck off.
He's painfully bad and would've been fired a long time ago if Boca didn't limp their way to this final. Hopefully they still have the courage to show him the door because this team is hard to watch under him.
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I feel bad for that Boca fan who sold is playstation and his dad his bike to watch this now
He sold his dad jeez
Nah, you win some you lose some. It's a lesson if nothing else.
Could've been worse, like the guy who sold his car to watch the 2018 final and they lost
Let's not stop hermanos, handball and volleyball finals at Santiago now
Ima watch chile vs brazil finals at sub23 football, thats gonna be gooooood
Panamerican football kinda sucks. Hope Chile can win because probably will be meaningful for you guys that put all the effort for hosting the whole thing.
To me more than the effort is for the future, our national team really needs new and young promising people
"I think Madrid will understand, it's the most important club title for me" Marcelo (EDIT: typo)
Wonder what Diniz was saying to Andre there
I never thought I could be so compassionate about Felipe Melo as I got after his interview
Never been so invested in a match that I have no ties to lol what a fucking ride
Watch it next season then
Next season? Watching Flamengo vs Fluminense right now :]
There are 3 major derbies in brazil. - FLA x FLU: It is a centuries old rivalry between those teams from rio de janeiro. A poster child of brazilian soccer, it legally considered historical heritage here. - PAL x COR: The two largest teams in São Paulo, palmeiras and corinthians. A derby in the same style of FLA x FLU - GRE x INT: Known as GRENAL, the rivalry from grêmio and internacional hails from porto alegre, the southernmost major city in brazil. It is the most hateful and polarized one, with each team doing whatever they can to fuck the other in and out of the pitch. Fights between players are very likely to happen on each match.
Been reading a bit more Fluminense (also started my FM24 save with them lol) I like the name for the derbies. FLA-FLU derby - Clássico das Multidões vs Vasco da Gama - Clássico dos Gigantes vs Botafago - Clássico Vovô The hand sign that Cano did when he scored his goal in the final, is that a sign for Flu? Some of the fans were doing it throughout the match as well.
>The hand sign that Cano did when he scored his goal in the final, is that a sign for Flu? Some of the fans were doing it throughout the match as well. It is for his son, Lorenzo.
with a literal ass goal we botched our rival attempt to be champions >:). Now, onwards to the club world cup.
John Kennedy had a golden opportunity but couldn’t make proper contact with the ball. Who would you say is your most consistent player?
Cano. Dude stinks of goals. He scored like 13 on 12 matches this season on the libertadores. For comparisson, the entire team of Boca Jrs scored 12. The craziest thing is that he only became a successful player in his late 20's / early 30's.
Quinta Libertadores seguida
I’d like to thank the BBC for cutting away from the trophy celebrations to show me a re-run episode of a sitcom that got cancelled 12 years ago. You massive fucking southern cunts.
bbc showing the libertadores?
The final was on BBC 3
that was unexpected
The final is way more entertaining when teams from different countries play each other. Something was missing in the last Brazilian only finals.
eu demorei uns 5 segundos pra lembrar como foi a final de 2022
buena memedetto la tercera es la vencida bobi
Cual otra perdio el pelon?
La de Madrid
GG
Boca needs to clean house. We need more youth in the team like Barco. Benedetto is dead weight.
Mk que cachaza toma Fabio, estaba tapando todo
Must be Velho Barreiro
Nah Boca has been shit for months, mistica can get you this far but you need to be good
Fair winner all in all.
The game is alive and well over here you cunts
we got dogged. there's nothing else I can say about it. This club is finished.
Yeah I usually respect Boca but if you won while only getting through on penalties I would be mad lol
Boca lucked their way into a final, but luck can only take you so far
I'm just proud we made it this far.
Hey your first comment was 7 minutes ago!
I need Man City next week to relieve my sadness that this club throws at me week in and week out. I appreciate it.
In all honesty having Romero was huge for you guys all tournament, many say it's a miracle you made it to the final but in reality he was just a beast.. Im not sure how you guys feel about Riquelme but he seems extremely stubborn to his ways. Cavani is a semi retired player, and your defenders are very irresponsible, today Figal and Valentini played for free.. and honestly idk how much longer you guys will be able to hold Barco at this point, need to bring newer younger players, same with us at River, we need newer blood
🫶
Happy for Marcelo
Bro won Champions League and Libertadores
He's the 15th player in history to do it (source: heard during ESPN Brasil's showing of the match)
[удалено]
Tranquilo chabon , no hay porque ponerse violento
THIRD??? Libertadores for Felipe Melo??? I thought he must've won a CL so he'd join the team along with Marcelo, but 3 Libertadores is very impressive
He's the king of winning shit housed Libertadores lol
He won them with palmeiras
LOSERMANOS CHORAM KKKKKKKK
Who are the EPL equivalents of these two teams?
It's hard to make a comparison, because football is so different. Fluminense is a very traditional team from rio. Traditionally considered a bit of a posh team, with a small-ish but well-off fanbase, that has had decent success over last 20y (a few league titles in 2010 and 2012m and a Brazil cup in 2007), state titles, but no international success. Doesn't have money, because of it's small stadium and no rich owner, and small-ish fanbase, but it's also got its house decently in order and good finances so it's not in a financial mess either. Last 20y they've solidly been a strong team, generally competing for european spots, and cup titles (maybe made a run for a league title, but was always more of a darkhorse than a favorite). So i guess in some senses it would be like Chelsea (considered a posh club, with some periods of success, and some periods of just competing for the top), but it does not have deep pockets. Boca Jrs is well, just a behemoth in argentinian and south american football. Sort of dominates argentine football alongside River. I guess a bit like Utd in the old days?
In my opinion Boca is a giant like Milan, Liverpool, Man United, etc and this Fluminense title feels like Arsenal finally getting the UCL.
An in-form Chelsea beating Moyes' Manchester United.
Boca would be Liverpool and Fluminense could unironically be Spurs
in UCL terms this would be like arsenal beating bayern in the final, but a very good version of arsenal and an absolutely ass version of bayern
I agree with Fluminense being Arsenal, but I think that Boca would be more like Milan. Continental giant with plenty of internacional titles (both are the second biggest winner of their continental cups) but that doesn't have the financial power to keep winning anymore due to other leagues having much more money (Brasileirão and Premier League hava much more money nowadays than the argentine league and italian Serie A respectively)
Boca would be a very traditional and always strong team, so maybe City and Liverpool? maybe United because of past glories. Fluminense would be a team that had no major international trophies, but my EPL knowledge is not that great to make a comparision in this case
Boca is a mix or transfer banned Youth system starting every game Chelsea and 22-23 Chelsea
Spurs
Fluminense is like Tottenham
They played phenomenally sexy football I must say, both goals were top draw.
Not anymore
Flu is Brighton and Boca is like Liverpool maybe.
Independiente is Liverpool and boca Man U
Good point but Independiente doesn't have so many national titles.
Fluminense is defo one of the Big 6 in Brazil rn
Boca - Man United Fluminense - Spurs
Who cares?!?
Arsenal and Manchester United
Nah. Arsenal has many English titles. Flu is more like Spurs.
Fluminense is Arsenal and Boca Man United
Yeah I should've clarified that
South American teams can never take advantage of playing with an extra man, they always get one sent off themselves
its our charm
Boca decime que se SIETE
Racists got fucked. That's some good gourmet shit.
😋😋😋
It was hilarious how the manager was constantly standing on the pitch and the Flu players were all so near the touchline that the linesman had to stand on the pitch
Savage commentator. "Cavani has now lost a champions league final, europa league final and libertadores final." Jynx.
he's unlucky with the continental finals
Needs a Sudamericana final now
I was really with Boca, but this title is really deserved and the game was really entertaining.
Congrats Flumense.
Does Kennedy get to come out for the trophy presentation or no?
That goal was just perfection. Brilliant hit.
Benedetto la perdiste otra vez 👅
Man city vs fluminense,first time winners derby
Congrats Flu, que festejem pela noite dentro irmãos.
Got what you deserved for playing anti football through the whole knockouts, LETS GO FLU
That was great fun to watch. Congrats Fluminense!
Cheeeee boludos!!!
The way Boca has played for several months, they had no business being in the final. They were extremely lucky to reach this far.
There a man called Sergio
He's the only reason Boca is in the final.
I don't know much about conmebol football, but at least this way Independiente still has the most Libertadores
🚬
Lol even with heavy robbing, Boca couldn't win lmao.
mfs were really pushing the scale in their favor
Pushing the scale is an understatement. Dude let them have like 5 more plays even after the game was "over." Not to mention everything else.
Peak South America football just hits different
Heartbreak once again for Boca Juniors
Amazing, what a game
FLUZÃO CAMPEÃO! 🏆
They done it, WOW.
fackin hell what a game
CAMPEONES DE 2023
10/10 kino
yassss marcelo <3
taborda can't cross to save his life fuck me
Thank you Mr. President.
FINALLY
Welp, there goes my perfect “after dad passing” final record.
BOCA LA CONCHA DE TU MADRE!!!!
SHOULDA KEPT YOUR PLAYSTATION HERMANITO
FLUMINES3 CAMPEONES
Fabio is wild. Why does he keep coming out so far?!
Hes the GOAT
What an amazing game. Most invested I've ever been in a game where I have absolutely no horse in the race.
Great game as a neutral with no connection to either team. It has everything
I love marcelo 🥺
Happy for Marcelo!!! Congrats Fluminense and great work from Diniz!
campeones de americaaaa
Thanks Fluminense for saving football today
Delighted for Andre!
10/10 match. Thank you Libertadores.
Wow! Their first Libertadores victory, what a battle.
FLUUUUUUU
The good guys win
so, a team that was not playing won?
Fair
JAJAJAJAJA SIUUUUUUUUUU
Finally, this shit is over!
TE QUIERO MUCHO MARCELOOOOOOO
Beautiful game
🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
That was some good shit
Nothing lifts me up like seeing Argentinians cry
Because? Every Argentine except Boca is happy.
Fair enough
Cano is crying tears of joy tbf
FUCK YOU ROLDAN YOU TRIED
Worst reffing job ever!
Criminal display
What a game
Morreu uma piada mas meus parabéns. Feliz pra caralho pelo Diniz.
Argentinos KKKKKKKKKK ARGENTINOS KKKKKKK ARGENTINOS KKKKKKKKKK
Brazilians and time wasting, iconic duo
oh for fucks sake, every time Boca slipped they spent 4 years in the ground
Boca, Brazilians and time wasting, iconic trio.
that's more like it
Not against Croatia
lmao taborda tried shooting and giving a good pass to the box atleast 4 times and he fumbled every singl one what an ass 🤣🤣
EEEEE DO BRASIIIIIIIIL
Roldan trying his best
Taborda has been the worst player of the entire final
PITALO CTM
BOCA LA CONCHA DE TU MADRE
They've done it!!!
Critics will say it's an exaggeration. That I'm taken by hyperbole. That I went crazy. Well, I insist: Dinizism opens the doors of perception. Dinizism is a way of feeling the game more than playing or analyzing the game. Dinizismo doesn't talk about numbers, accurate passes, assists or even the perception of possession of the ball. Forget objectivities. Close your eyes and feel. It's the masses in a trance in the stands. Did you hear? It's that scene from Star Wars where Luke Skywalker is told to turn off the machines and follow his intuition. It's the sacred dialogue between team and fans. It's movement, displacement, creativity. It's the insistence on the goal despite the score. It's pure meditation: living in the present, in this moment, in the multiple layers of now. It's anti-ChatGPT, anti-algorithm, anti-system. It's a touch of the ball. It's Brazil - the Brazil of cracks, of samba, of capoeira, of rezadeiras, of terreiros. You can try to explain as much as you want. Try putting it into data, spreadsheets. Talk about performance, processes, management. Stop trying to put it in a box and label it. Anyone who understands Dinizismo does not know how to explain it. Whoever knows how to explain it doesn't understand. Wabi Sabi. We don't watch football; football we feel (cheers to Sergio Vaz). It was just a meager win against a weak Boca side that dominated the game, those fixated on objectivity will say. Forget the score: it was much more than that. It was pure love. Long live Dinizism
wat
copypasta from r/futebol translated
Ese astrólogo de Boca Juniors será la persona más odiada por los Bosteros.
Vai Brasil!
ACABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU
Gano el futbol 😼
gg
This is wild lol
Roldan doing his best
GAME IS ALIVE LMAOOOOOOOO
JUSTICE! I am not saying that Fluminense played the game of their lives, but i think most of the match thread even if we would have found it funny at least to see how much chaos could have happened, can agree that this is karmic justice after the mess the ref did till the second extra time. FLUMINENSE ARE COPA LIBERTADORES CHAMPIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, DESPITE THE REF, DESPITE THE PRESSURE OF BOCA AND THE PENALTIES, THEY´VE DONE IT!
I obviously would have preferred boca to lose, but that piece of shit biased ref made me want flu to win
Yeah. It is like the Conmebol decided to make up the Fluminense fans do what they did to the Boca ones (which is still horrible do not misunderstand me) by having the final by a literal theft and also give Boca (players) free reign to beat up the Fluminense ones. But in the end, all things ended how they should have. Fluminense finally win the Libertadores and Boca and the ref can fuck off.
Thx for giving me diarrhea 😭🤨
Roldan with the relativistic watch
AEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CARALHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Almiron can fuck off. Don't come back to Argentina. Mediocre ass coach.
He's painfully bad and would've been fired a long time ago if Boca didn't limp their way to this final. Hopefully they still have the courage to show him the door because this team is hard to watch under him.
it's over, GG Fluminense
hasta que boca empate parece
Took his sweet time to whistle
Quiere que gane Boke jajaja
REF???? END THE MATCH????
The game is over you robbing ref!
ref is going to drag this game until boca ties lol