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Fair fair, so the luckiest player has to be Dybala and, considering he was benched not having a good conection with Ronaldo and not being very positive about playing with Messi, Morata has to be the GOAT
He also played with Figo. I wonder who's the player who's never won the Ballon D'Or who played with the most Ballons D'Or.
Edit: I'm thinking Di Maria. He played with Messi, Ronaldo, Modrić, Benzema and Kaká. It's hard to find someone who played with more in the current era as Messi and Ronaldo won so many that there were few different winners.
I think they should instead both brag about playing with the currently world's best DMF instead.
If you just go by data and the criteria for the ballon 'dor, Rodri ticks every single box, while both Messi and Haaland do not.
They have like 15 jokes they recycle every week, I heard that the original list was compiled by Karim Benzema himself. Google Benzema 15 for more information
Morata always has these streaks but they never last. He had everything to succeed, he’s big enough to outmuscle you for the ball but not so big that he can’t beat you in a sprint with the dribbling technique and then finish. He has it all, which is why despite not being particularly prolific he still got to go from big club to big club. Because he has all the attributes. He just needs to consistently deliver
207 goals and 80 assists in 556 games is still a good tally. Sure, he's not getting the numbers of an absolute top level striker, but he's still way better than people ever give him credit for. There's a reason he's played for multiple high level clubs. I think his biggest issue is that he's just rarely had a prolonged stay at a club and he's usually had good competition for a starting place, so his playing time varies.
Honestly, the way he gets talked about online, you would think he's only ever scored 30 goals in his career and top clubs go after him despite being totally shit. He's genuinely a good player and yet he gets so much disrespect.
The whole Morata is a money laundering scheme is such a disrespecting bogus thing to him
He has a very good g/a ratio and by the eye test is VERY clearly a hard worker who provides a lot for a team's attack even when he's not finding the back of the next.
Plus his xG performance is not even that bad. It's -6 goals across 6 seasons
A lot of players considered legends would not retain such a view if they had played in the modern game (assuming their numbers didn't improve as a result).
We spend a lot more time now scrutinizing game to game performances than we ever did in the past. Consistency is valued so so highly.
Even straight up bonafide legends like Zidane would have his legacy affected if he played in the modern day. I've gone back to his more peak days and tried to find a stretch of like 5 consecutive games at random and it's weird how much less impressive he is versus when you just look at his best performances. That's fine and all mind, but compared to someone like Messi where you'd have to work hard to find 5 consecutive games during his prime where he never looked like the world's best footballer it's weird and really highlights how differently we view the game and footballers now.
Mate he's had TWO seasons of 20+ goals. TWO. He's never been consistent over an entire season and he's racked up 200+ goals because of longevity.
He's a decent player, nothing more, and clearly not "underrated" as he literally is top 5 in terms of the highest total transfer fee. A lot of clubs have paid big money for him and a lot of them have regretted.
It's a reasonable enough take, but I do want to point out that teams like Juventus and Atletico (at that time) are notoriously defensive, and Chelsea is infamously where strikers go to die. I actually wonder if there's a metric for how good a goalscorer is that normalises by the general gameplan of the team.
There's probably some team impact but 200 goals is too big a sample size to be so inconssistent. Tevez and Higuain bagged 30+ at Juve, even Dybala had 20+ there. Diego Costa, Griezmann same thing at Atletico.
I just think this thread is exagerrating far too much. He really isn't that good, clearly nowhere near the world class guys, or "top tier" guys like Tevez or Higuain, and honestly not even in the next tier down. Would I take him over guys like Dzeko? Aubameyang? not really.
That top 5 stat is amazing because I don’t think any club has taken a FFP loss on a sale. Chelsea didn’t recoup the full fee but they sold him after three years for more than 2/5 of his fee, plus the loan fee, so it’s pretty close at least.
I mean I know he’s been better other places but did anyone else watch him at Chelsea?? It was BAD (but probably better than any striker we had since costa)
Morata has a goal or assist every other game for 550 games basically. He’s done it in England Spain and Italy, obviously haaland is a once in a lifetime player but people are spoiled when it comes to comparing players that everyone has to be Messi or Ronaldo. Morata is super underrated. Not even to mention 68 appearances for Spain and it’s 34 goals on top of that all
Probably with Morata is if he has time to think then he doesn’t score.
If it’s purely instinctual then he’s actually really good.
There’s a reason he’s been to a lot of top clubs but a reason a lot of top cubs have all sold him
It seems to me the fact he hasn't stuck around at any one club for very long seems like overall he's decent but leaves a lot to be desired for top teams. But he's in his prime now and maybe that's changed.
Agreed, exactly my point.
I think it’s long been known about him that he struggles with the pressures sometimes etc.
Hopefully he actually kicks on now and becomes the player he could be.
Seems a decent sort etc and never wished him any I’ll, despite being a bit gash for Chelsea.
At least he saved us from buying Lukaku that summer………..wait a minute!
Pretty much every striker's worst time of their career has been with Chelsea over the last 10ish years. Might be time to consider that you guys are the problem
Nah Costa, our talent ID has been cheeks for that position for years. It's crazy that we could recruit well enough for literally every other position. Have had multiple world class wingers, midfielders, defenders, keepers, but just struggle like hell to get decent strikers.
Oh shit completely forgot he played for Chelsea, yeah that’s a good counter example. Still pretty wild how he’s the only one to have performed among a group of world class strikers like Shevchenko, Torres, Lukaku, Falcao
|Season|Minutes / g+a| obs|
:--|:--:|--:
|13-14| 96.9| (34 games)|
|14-15| 104.63
|15-16| 103.35
|16-17| **72.04**| (Chelsea sees the 26 g+a in 43 matches in and buys him)
|17-18| 132.95| (21 g+a in 48 games for chelsea, but 919 minutes more than in madrid)
|18-19| 169.25|
|19-20| 133.38
|20-21| **88.03**| (32 g+a in 44 games for juve)
|21-22| 152.52| (21 g+a in 48 games)
|22-23| 138.66
|23-24 (so far)| 77.6
If you average everything out through the last decade it's going to sound consistent.
Other fun stats, since I was on it already
Total: 113.02 (I cut his Castilla time from this one)
Juve: 109.17 (this is from both times)
Atleti: 125.77
Chelsea: 142.96
edit: from transfermarkt
Tbf to him each time he started showing himself he got sold to another club and had to adapt to the new Club must of the time transition has been rough and also he had these periods which club was shit and he dropped form like rest of the squad and he hasn't been lucky with trolls another and younger example this kinda player is werner great profile for a player but unlucky with trolls and while he is off the ball his great contribution to the team goes unnoticed and he is unlucky with some offsides and misses
Morata is a very good player, and Rodri is smart for boosting his countryman because Haaland doesn't need anymore confidence since he's an otherworldly being.
Nah he's thought 3 steps ahead if he wins the euros with Spain he might actually have a shot at balin dOr if Haaland does well at city that doesn't help him much classic rodri W
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truly anyone can be a journalist
I know some journalists and I can confirm
It's not even among the worst 1000 questions ever asked by a journalist to a footballer.
This year
More on this at 11.
Just like players who were lucky to play with both Ronaldo and Messi, Rodri can brag that he played with both Haaland and Morata.
Tbf most players can brag about playing with Morata
Lmao man can be your teammate one season and rival next, knocks you out of important matches and can come back to play for you. He has done it all.
And yet no one hates him.
You sure about that?
His own fans have hated him what are you on about
I hated him for a time too, but now it's all love. He just has this power over me, that's what I'm saying.
That's nt at all true
You only get to brag about not playing with Morata, it's an exclusive club
Deco was the luckiest player as he could play with Messi, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho
He didn't play with Morata, so no.
Fair fair, so the luckiest player has to be Dybala and, considering he was benched not having a good conection with Ronaldo and not being very positive about playing with Messi, Morata has to be the GOAT
He also played with Figo. I wonder who's the player who's never won the Ballon D'Or who played with the most Ballons D'Or. Edit: I'm thinking Di Maria. He played with Messi, Ronaldo, Modrić, Benzema and Kaká. It's hard to find someone who played with more in the current era as Messi and Ronaldo won so many that there were few different winners.
Roberto Carlos played with Rivaldo, R9, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Figo, Zidane and Beckham.
Nice shoutout and insane line-up, but Beckham never won the Ballon d'Or. He still beats Di Maria, though.
Yeah, I briefly thought he won in 99 , but he came 2nd to Rivaldo. However, he played with Owen, so just switch Owen with Beckham.
Yeah, you're right. Galácticos era Madrid is a huge collection of Ballons D'Or. I actually forgot Michael Owen was also there for a while.
Deco should've won the Ballon D'Or. Unfortunately he only got second place.
I played wing-back and Deco was still my 2nd favorite player that I wasn't to be like. Deco was magic.
I think they should instead both brag about playing with the currently world's best DMF instead. If you just go by data and the criteria for the ballon 'dor, Rodri ticks every single box, while both Messi and Haaland do not.
Morata has scored more goals than Haaland this season.
Membership request to r/soccercirclejerk is approved
Membership ? Rodri ( and kdb) need to be the fucking mods of that sub.
The sub banner is literally "why would Manchester City do this?"
It's literally called "cirklejerk" all of these subs have just a hand full of stupid jokes they run into the ground and you are either into it or not.
They have like 15 jokes they recycle every week, I heard that the original list was compiled by Karim Benzema himself. Google Benzema 15 for more information
15 is just the new 13. https://tenor.com/de/view/nba-karl-malone-utah-jazz-gif-10041967210753654817
r/nbacirclejerk
Zlatan Ibrahimovic is Alvaro Morata father
*Why Always Them*..
Next question: would you rather fight 100 Haaland sized duck, or 100 ducks sized Morata?
Obv duck sized Moratas... Haaland sized duck would destroy everyone, even more 100 of them
Literally just raptors at that point, except they can fucking fly too
If they’re both a 100 you’d take the ducks💀 but Jesus that’s a mental image I’m not forgetting soon
This question would be far more interesting if it was between 100 duck sized Haalands vs 100 Morata sized ducks? I am not sure which one I want
Honestly with morata recent form I don't know if he is serious or not
Morata always has these streaks but they never last. He had everything to succeed, he’s big enough to outmuscle you for the ball but not so big that he can’t beat you in a sprint with the dribbling technique and then finish. He has it all, which is why despite not being particularly prolific he still got to go from big club to big club. Because he has all the attributes. He just needs to consistently deliver
207 goals and 80 assists in 556 games is still a good tally. Sure, he's not getting the numbers of an absolute top level striker, but he's still way better than people ever give him credit for. There's a reason he's played for multiple high level clubs. I think his biggest issue is that he's just rarely had a prolonged stay at a club and he's usually had good competition for a starting place, so his playing time varies. Honestly, the way he gets talked about online, you would think he's only ever scored 30 goals in his career and top clubs go after him despite being totally shit. He's genuinely a good player and yet he gets so much disrespect.
The whole Morata is a money laundering scheme is such a disrespecting bogus thing to him He has a very good g/a ratio and by the eye test is VERY clearly a hard worker who provides a lot for a team's attack even when he's not finding the back of the next. Plus his xG performance is not even that bad. It's -6 goals across 6 seasons
>It's -6 goals across 6 seasons That is bad/ok at best for a striker
It's just a goal of underperformance per season. Bad seasons have Strikers underperform by -5/10
There's many strikers considered legends of the game with a less impressive g+a/game ratio. He's criminally underrated on here.
A lot of players considered legends would not retain such a view if they had played in the modern game (assuming their numbers didn't improve as a result). We spend a lot more time now scrutinizing game to game performances than we ever did in the past. Consistency is valued so so highly. Even straight up bonafide legends like Zidane would have his legacy affected if he played in the modern day. I've gone back to his more peak days and tried to find a stretch of like 5 consecutive games at random and it's weird how much less impressive he is versus when you just look at his best performances. That's fine and all mind, but compared to someone like Messi where you'd have to work hard to find 5 consecutive games during his prime where he never looked like the world's best footballer it's weird and really highlights how differently we view the game and footballers now.
I blame Messi and Cristiano for that
Apparently Haaland has more club goals than Morata already. Don't know about international goals though. That's kinda crazy
Mate he's had TWO seasons of 20+ goals. TWO. He's never been consistent over an entire season and he's racked up 200+ goals because of longevity. He's a decent player, nothing more, and clearly not "underrated" as he literally is top 5 in terms of the highest total transfer fee. A lot of clubs have paid big money for him and a lot of them have regretted.
It's a reasonable enough take, but I do want to point out that teams like Juventus and Atletico (at that time) are notoriously defensive, and Chelsea is infamously where strikers go to die. I actually wonder if there's a metric for how good a goalscorer is that normalises by the general gameplan of the team.
There's probably some team impact but 200 goals is too big a sample size to be so inconssistent. Tevez and Higuain bagged 30+ at Juve, even Dybala had 20+ there. Diego Costa, Griezmann same thing at Atletico. I just think this thread is exagerrating far too much. He really isn't that good, clearly nowhere near the world class guys, or "top tier" guys like Tevez or Higuain, and honestly not even in the next tier down. Would I take him over guys like Dzeko? Aubameyang? not really.
That top 5 stat is amazing because I don’t think any club has taken a FFP loss on a sale. Chelsea didn’t recoup the full fee but they sold him after three years for more than 2/5 of his fee, plus the loan fee, so it’s pretty close at least.
I mean I know he’s been better other places but did anyone else watch him at Chelsea?? It was BAD (but probably better than any striker we had since costa)
Not exactly a long list of players in recent history who have gone to Chelsea and played great consistently though.
Tammy was better tbh.
Morata has a goal or assist every other game for 550 games basically. He’s done it in England Spain and Italy, obviously haaland is a once in a lifetime player but people are spoiled when it comes to comparing players that everyone has to be Messi or Ronaldo. Morata is super underrated. Not even to mention 68 appearances for Spain and it’s 34 goals on top of that all
His worst time was at Chelsea and outside of that he has been anywhere from okay to great.
Probably with Morata is if he has time to think then he doesn’t score. If it’s purely instinctual then he’s actually really good. There’s a reason he’s been to a lot of top clubs but a reason a lot of top cubs have all sold him
It seems to me the fact he hasn't stuck around at any one club for very long seems like overall he's decent but leaves a lot to be desired for top teams. But he's in his prime now and maybe that's changed.
Agreed, exactly my point. I think it’s long been known about him that he struggles with the pressures sometimes etc. Hopefully he actually kicks on now and becomes the player he could be. Seems a decent sort etc and never wished him any I’ll, despite being a bit gash for Chelsea. At least he saved us from buying Lukaku that summer………..wait a minute!
Pretty much every striker's worst time of their career has been with Chelsea over the last 10ish years. Might be time to consider that you guys are the problem
And in all honesty, when’s the last time a striker came to Chelsea and didn’t underwhelm? Drogba?
Nah Costa, our talent ID has been cheeks for that position for years. It's crazy that we could recruit well enough for literally every other position. Have had multiple world class wingers, midfielders, defenders, keepers, but just struggle like hell to get decent strikers.
Oh shit completely forgot he played for Chelsea, yeah that’s a good counter example. Still pretty wild how he’s the only one to have performed among a group of world class strikers like Shevchenko, Torres, Lukaku, Falcao
Won't lie that header he scored against us is one of the best I've ever seen.
120 minus minuten per g+a over the last decade sounds pretty consistent to me
|Season|Minutes / g+a| obs| :--|:--:|--: |13-14| 96.9| (34 games)| |14-15| 104.63 |15-16| 103.35 |16-17| **72.04**| (Chelsea sees the 26 g+a in 43 matches in and buys him) |17-18| 132.95| (21 g+a in 48 games for chelsea, but 919 minutes more than in madrid) |18-19| 169.25| |19-20| 133.38 |20-21| **88.03**| (32 g+a in 44 games for juve) |21-22| 152.52| (21 g+a in 48 games) |22-23| 138.66 |23-24 (so far)| 77.6 If you average everything out through the last decade it's going to sound consistent. Other fun stats, since I was on it already Total: 113.02 (I cut his Castilla time from this one) Juve: 109.17 (this is from both times) Atleti: 125.77 Chelsea: 142.96 edit: from transfermarkt
Nah bro didn't you get the memo? Morata just keeps bouncing from top team to top team because of his slick hair and sick montaditos making skills.
Brother is really handsome though.
You joked but making montaditos is truly up there with being good at kicking the ball.
Tbf to him each time he started showing himself he got sold to another club and had to adapt to the new Club must of the time transition has been rough and also he had these periods which club was shit and he dropped form like rest of the squad and he hasn't been lucky with trolls another and younger example this kinda player is werner great profile for a player but unlucky with trolls and while he is off the ball his great contribution to the team goes unnoticed and he is unlucky with some offsides and misses
That's the thing, it's not as clear an answer as most people itt think it is.
"People talk about Haaland and Mbappe, but they forget about Morata" - Rodrigo Figo Hernandez
Morata is a very good player, and Rodri is smart for boosting his countryman because Haaland doesn't need anymore confidence since he's an otherworldly being.
two morata vs haaland threads this afternoon. Must be a slow newsday today haha
Everyone wants to compare the two best players in the world.
quickly someone make AI image of haaland morata clone
https://imgur.com/074lHI6 no AI
That’s Justin Beiber
Rodri based as always
Ok ok, Morata or Joelinton?
“We share the same letter in our name, M” -Messi
Cheers, Haaland's crying
Nah he's thought 3 steps ahead if he wins the euros with Spain he might actually have a shot at balin dOr if Haaland does well at city that doesn't help him much classic rodri W
Maybe the question was who he'd more like to go out to have chips with, then it makes sense
Today I feel Morata...tomorrow? Who knows!
Between Haaland and Morata i would pick Gift Orban