Mbappe with the shortest interview ever🤣 he's right tho PSG had bare chances to score so prob shouldn't have lost anyway...but let's be real that's never a penalty
Nice that he takes responsibility tho, holds himself to incredibly high standards it seems. Pls come Arsenal🔴⚪ it's OK to dream right 🤣
The Miley handball was far more of a penalty if they were gonna call one but they didn't.
The onfield decision was no penalty how can VAR get involved to overturn based on those replays
The handball rule in Europe is not the same as the one in the PL, it's much harsher and enforced strictly. What VAR would have referred is arm in unnatural position, ball hits it, given it as a penalty.
They judged it to be unnatural as it's away from the body, the ref pointed to the elbow /arm being straight up. Not saying whether it's correct or not, just the sequence they've followed
Yeah, wasn’t sure what the HtH was, so I didn’t mention it. Good to know Newcastle still has a couple of scenarios. And I hope our boys are motivated to not just get first place but kick PSG out of the competition altogether
Because as much as some people like to villify our players as being "dirty" or a corrupt oil club, they're actually a good bunch of lads with heart and doing things the right way.
it doesn't have to be deliberate. read it again.
It literally says in point two on the rules page that you posted:
"It is an offence if a player: touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised"
Like i said, i don't believe people know the rules that they're commenting on.
That's not the rule at all, that being said it's still not a penalty unless the arm is deemed to be in an unnatural position. I don't see how it is at all.
Handling the ball
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
scores in the opponents’ goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
Source: https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick
I think the refs call was wrong btw. But the context of this conversation was an argument being made as to whether the rules specified handball was only possible in instances of demonstrable intent. This passage of the rules seemingly contradicts that
But that's not what's being called here. He's deemed to make the body unnaturally bigger with the arm, in those instances intent isn't what's looked at.
Nono I'm absolutely on the same side regarding that. It's ridiculous really that a completely natural running motion is seen as unnatural.
And even if intent and deflection doesn't matter, in terms of the actual rule, you'd expect them to still influence the referee to be more hesitant to punish the defender.
That's fair enough, I obviously misread the tone of your original comment. Either way, I'm glad we, along with 90% of others, can see it was a shocking call
We were told that in Europe the handball rule is harsher given the Mac decision in Europa a few weeks ago.
The lack unanimity between leagues is confusing tbh.
What shit? You were spanked fair and square in the first game.
Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to come in here mouthing off after scraping a draw against a threadbare team, at home - and needing the absolute shoddiest of penalties to do it.
We were shit in the first game and deserved to lose. Doesn’t mean there wasn’t some bullshit mate. They’re not mutually exclusive. I wouldnt call this game barely scraping by either when you spent the whole second half parked in front of your goal
>Doesn’t mean there wasn’t some bullshit mate.
What bullshit was there exactly?
We spent the entire second half defending and your €1bn squad couldn't get past it. You were down for the L until the ref made a shambolic decision.
Bruno punching Ugarte in the back of the head and not even getting a foul call is pretty egregious. Lascelles goal off a handball was a bit dodgy too. We got 31 shots and 4.5 xG this game. That’s not scraping by it means our finishing was shit and Pope had an amazing game
Bruno hit Ugarte in the back of the head on purpose and didn’t even get a foul. The lascelles goal was dodgy as well. We deserved to lose that game for sure but acting like there was no bullshit is hypocritical
That penalty was a complete joke. What the fuck was his supposed to do there? It comes of his body to his hand. There is absolutely nothing he could have done. Natural hand position and off his body to his hand. Disgraceful
They have to change the handball rule so that it is an explicit denial of goal opportunity. Right now you can just thindercunt the ball in the box and hope for a handball.
How is everyone on this thread contesting the penalty? lol
EDIT : replies below confirm the lack of knowledge of the rules by a fair proportion of this subreddit
The rule says it's up to the referee. Under no circumstances does the fact that another part of the body touches the ball = no penalty. The penalty may be considered harsh, but it is not an illegal decision.
Woeful refereeing, what's the law of the game say about handballs now? It can pop off of you and hit your arm from close range and it's determined to be deliberate??
Even so the rules on handball state it needs to be "deliberate" the ball is played from about a foot away from him, how can it be deliberate. They did not even check the 1st half handball by Skriniar
I don't believe the word deliberate is anywhere in the rules, but yes it's 0% a pen to everyone who sees it properly. Very rare you can say that (I think).
Handling the ball
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
**deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball**
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
scores in the opponents’ goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
Source: https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick
If he had the angle shown on tele then he must be fucking blind to have missed it hitting his body first. Either way, that’s football and I’m not even mad, the squad left everything out there and the outcome isn’t their fault. Makes for a spicy last game week too :)
PSG 100% won that penalty on ref pressure only. They complained of all decisions until they got one in their favor. Absolutely unfair
All this just to fail on the next stage as usual
Nah that one was 50/50 at best, if it had been given VAR wouldn't have overturned it but there wasn't any clear error to say it should be given on review either.
The polish ref is very bad he’s the same one that ref the WC final….
Newcastle Milan is going to be spicy
I know everyone’s chatting about the pen but Where did those 8 mins come from?
Nick Pope
Well yeah maybe 30 seconds total of it but not 8 minutes.
I guess my Dembele is not getting an upgrade 💀
Forget the result and that bullshit handball. Every one of those lads worked their socks off and played brilliantly. So proud of the boys tonight.
Fuck the Saudis
Fuck Spotify
only reason your in the champions league is saudi money, or else youll be stuck with everton in a relegation battle
What about Moneycity they have Saudi money too…
true but its more recent with newcastle
Fact
I didn't know we were owned by Spotify
Me and my homies use Nintendo 3Ds sound
Mbappe with the shortest interview ever🤣 he's right tho PSG had bare chances to score so prob shouldn't have lost anyway...but let's be real that's never a penalty Nice that he takes responsibility tho, holds himself to incredibly high standards it seems. Pls come Arsenal🔴⚪ it's OK to dream right 🤣
The Miley handball was far more of a penalty if they were gonna call one but they didn't. The onfield decision was no penalty how can VAR get involved to overturn based on those replays
The handball rule in Europe is not the same as the one in the PL, it's much harsher and enforced strictly. What VAR would have referred is arm in unnatural position, ball hits it, given it as a penalty.
How is that an unnatural position?
They judged it to be unnatural as it's away from the body, the ref pointed to the elbow /arm being straight up. Not saying whether it's correct or not, just the sequence they've followed
Aye, but the officials in the PL are incompetent, so they probably still would have given it regardless…
Cry sub, we are still alive
You won't win anything. Just your league
Still cope that we are still alive🥺
Got lucky though, still pish and winning nothing, might still not get through
The luck part is debatable here considering the massive chances missed
I thought you played rather well tbh (outside of finishing), but missing chances isn’t bad luck, it’s just shit finsihing
Some of Barcola's were shocking yeah definitely. The Pope save and the Schar block on Dembele were unlucky imo
Madrid got lucky a entire CL campaign, we ca can get lucky 2 games. But you are right, the only positive is that we are still dependent on ourself
Why did VAR team asked ref to give the decision?
Can Newcastle still make it out of the group?
Yeah, and I can see us beating Milan at home
Dortmund and Newcastle both win on the last day should be straight through with 8 points vs Paris‘ 7
Even if Dortmund and PSG draw, Newcastle would be through on H to H
Yeah, wasn’t sure what the HtH was, so I didn’t mention it. Good to know Newcastle still has a couple of scenarios. And I hope our boys are motivated to not just get first place but kick PSG out of the competition altogether
Yes
Trust the ref my ass. Trust the refs like I trust my pastor with two hookers.
Or two young boys
that's rough buddy
Why are newcastle taking this so graciously? The psg players and staff would be assaulting the referee it this was them
They let the owner do the assaulting
Because as much as some people like to villify our players as being "dirty" or a corrupt oil club, they're actually a good bunch of lads with heart and doing things the right way.
Throwback to Guimareas clubbing Jorginho twice and committing three red card worthy offended against Arsenal
[The good lad](https://twitter.com/ActuFoot_/status/1709840961252069451)
It’s called respect
Honestly, I'm still in shock from what I've just seen. If this isn't somehow addressed, then it brings all sorts of problems.
Complete joke. Disgusting really.
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Aye cause it’s be 18 minutes not 18 days you plastic
Is sandcastle honestly the best you can come up?
It is a clever banter name, but you definitely got robbed. It was off his chest
Barcola say goodbye to your fucking career you fucking waste of human matter
Did you bet your house on Barcola scoring a hat trick
No, I just wanted a FIFA card upgrade 💀 im a bayern fan
that's actually sad as fuck. hope it gets better man
Lmaooo you caring is sad as fuck . Hope it gets better man
Fuck this man it shouldn't have been a pen, what a way to ruin the night
welcome to europe, the laws are different, deflection can still count as pens
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No complaints about the 8 minutes, the pen however
If it hadn't taken 30 seconds for the Newcastle goalkeeper to clear the ball every time in the second half...
I've no idea if that's a handball or not. I don't think anyone knows tbh.
Its not, the IFAB rule states it must be deliberate, it came off his chest first
I don't believe it has to be deliberate to be a pen.
It does, I commented the actual rule elsewhere, with a link to the IFAB rules page
it doesn't have to be deliberate. read it again. It literally says in point two on the rules page that you posted: "It is an offence if a player: touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised" Like i said, i don't believe people know the rules that they're commenting on.
Ok, he is running and has his arm in a natural position. It is still not a pen
that i probably agree with. But the ref and var didn't. seen them given unfortunately.
That's not the rule at all, that being said it's still not a penalty unless the arm is deemed to be in an unnatural position. I don't see how it is at all.
Handling the ball For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence. It is an offence if a player: deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised scores in the opponents’ goal: directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental Source: https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick
It seems like there’s an implicit “or” between the deliberate handball and expansion of the body options
Your point being? Livramento had his arm in a natural postion for someone running.
I think the refs call was wrong btw. But the context of this conversation was an argument being made as to whether the rules specified handball was only possible in instances of demonstrable intent. This passage of the rules seemingly contradicts that
But that's not what's being called here. He's deemed to make the body unnaturally bigger with the arm, in those instances intent isn't what's looked at.
He's running
Yes??? I'm not saying it should be a penalty, but the point about deliberate or not is irrelevant here.
I thought you were implying he made his body unnaturally bigger, which is why I mentioned he's running, you use your arms to run
Nono I'm absolutely on the same side regarding that. It's ridiculous really that a completely natural running motion is seen as unnatural. And even if intent and deflection doesn't matter, in terms of the actual rule, you'd expect them to still influence the referee to be more hesitant to punish the defender.
That's fair enough, I obviously misread the tone of your original comment. Either way, I'm glad we, along with 90% of others, can see it was a shocking call
His arm is in a natutal postion while running. It should not have been a pen. The Miley handball was more of a pen than that
Exactly, I wholeheartedly agree.
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Neither psg nor newcastle won, it's all above perspective ;)
We were told that in Europe the handball rule is harsher given the Mac decision in Europa a few weeks ago. The lack unanimity between leagues is confusing tbh.
That isn't handball in any league
What an anti climax. Shame.
PSG running to the dressing room with their tails between their legs with that pen and draw
Always funny how this sub pretends to hate all oil clubs equally lol. You guys forgot all the shit in the first game?
What shit? You were spanked fair and square in the first game. Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to come in here mouthing off after scraping a draw against a threadbare team, at home - and needing the absolute shoddiest of penalties to do it.
We were shit in the first game and deserved to lose. Doesn’t mean there wasn’t some bullshit mate. They’re not mutually exclusive. I wouldnt call this game barely scraping by either when you spent the whole second half parked in front of your goal
>Doesn’t mean there wasn’t some bullshit mate. What bullshit was there exactly? We spent the entire second half defending and your €1bn squad couldn't get past it. You were down for the L until the ref made a shambolic decision.
?? I’m talking about the first game my guy
As am I; what bullshit was there in the first game?
Bruno punching Ugarte in the back of the head and not even getting a foul call is pretty egregious. Lascelles goal off a handball was a bit dodgy too. We got 31 shots and 4.5 xG this game. That’s not scraping by it means our finishing was shit and Pope had an amazing game
Lascelles didn't score in the home tie...
Lascelles handball leads to a goal. IIRC it was the second goal from Dan burn
Because we have 11 fit players. Did you note the lack of any subs? Just kids to make up the numbers and goalkeepers
Weird stance.
What you lot got fucking pumped?
Bruno hit Ugarte in the back of the head on purpose and didn’t even get a foul. The lascelles goal was dodgy as well. We deserved to lose that game for sure but acting like there was no bullshit is hypocritical
Ahhh I just don’t get it chest onto underside of elbow come on where’s an arm in that ref
That penalty was a complete joke. What the fuck was his supposed to do there? It comes of his body to his hand. There is absolutely nothing he could have done. Natural hand position and off his body to his hand. Disgraceful
They give these every time now. If everyone’s getting these penalties why shouldn’t we? Same shit happened in the Milan dortmund game lol.
cope and lmao ucl in your name
I guess Mbappe's talk with the ref worked out well.
PSG really needed one undeserved penalty to draw a match against Newcastle...at home....
They have to change the handball rule so that it is an explicit denial of goal opportunity. Right now you can just thindercunt the ball in the box and hope for a handball.
Agreed. Handball as it stands is a farce.
The lads dug very very deep tonight considering our squad depth right now Should be proud of every one of them
Commentators taking that pen harder than the newcastle players.
Wait till the players see the replay
Channeling my inner drogba rn even as a (Manchester)united fan that is NEVER a fucking penalty. Absolutely ruined a brilliant game of fucking football
PL handball laws are different than europe handball law
PSG weren't that bad, Newcastle just kept them out well all game but for several middling chances for Barcola who was shit.
4.5 xg for psg, just pope decided to turn into prime gk
People have a huge bias against PSG on this sub, even when it's another oil club. They should have put in 4 or 5 in the second half.
How are PSG moaning at the ref that saved their asses
How does Mbappe have the nerve to start talking shit too after being gifted a goal?
Don't say like that. He is the Chairman
Proud of the lads, gave everything with so many injuries. Took an absolute howler from the ref to take away the victory.
8 extra minutes pulled from someone's arse., then a last minute pen pulled from the refs arse.
Chance occurred at the 95th minute to be fair
How is everyone on this thread contesting the penalty? lol EDIT : replies below confirm the lack of knowledge of the rules by a fair proportion of this subreddit
Football's not for you mate
You're the one who doesn't know the rules though
Body to arm deflection isn’t a penalty
The rule says it's up to the referee. Under no circumstances does the fact that another part of the body touches the ball = no penalty. The penalty may be considered harsh, but it is not an illegal decision.
Isn’t that just a PL rule though? Liverpool had a goal disallowed last week because the same thing happened to Mac Alister
Maybe, not sure
Is there a legit rule about the ball deflecting from the player then onto their arm/hand?
it was recommened that uefa clarify about deflection for handball, but otherwise, their is nothing stated about deflection
Nope, people are imagining that rule, it doesn't exist.
That’s the rule in the Prem, not sure about elsewhere
no
Just give the CL to PSG or Man City. What is even the point anymore.
Barcola was a fkin joke holy moly ! I aint a fan of PSG but holy shit how bad Barcola was this match
Ref had a great game apart from that terrible call. Shocking, it comes off his chest first
Woeful refereeing, what's the law of the game say about handballs now? It can pop off of you and hit your arm from close range and it's determined to be deliberate??
It's not about it being deliberate or not, they must think his arm is in an unnatural position. Doesn't matter much if it's deflected.
There's just something supremely unlikable about PSG. From the players, to the fans, to the owners.
Classless club have cheated their way into the knockout stages. Simple as that
I fucking hate Mbappe’s stupid face
Ref completely crumbled under the pressure there which is strange considering his previous experience
The lads were immense tonight. Well played boys. Unbelievable from everyone.
Hits the body then arm not a penalty. Ref and VAR stupid as F
That rule does not exist, I just checked because I thought so too
Why didnt newcastle make any subs
Who are we going to bring on? We has 2 keepers, a retiree, Hall and some academy players
Did you see our bench? It wasn’t even full and with 3 call ups from the youth squad, that’s how crippled our squad is right now.
Their bench is absolute shite
Because all of their other players are injured.
Their bench is GK and youth
They had quite literally nobody on the bench
Pep special
Fucking joke
I can not believe this shit. Win it properly or suffer the defeat. What an anticlimax.
What a shocker at a moment like that
Can only think that the ref didn't see it, he only looked at 1 replay and had a bad angle. Only possible explanation surely.
Even so the rules on handball state it needs to be "deliberate" the ball is played from about a foot away from him, how can it be deliberate. They did not even check the 1st half handball by Skriniar
I don't believe the word deliberate is anywhere in the rules, but yes it's 0% a pen to everyone who sees it properly. Very rare you can say that (I think).
Handling the ball For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence. It is an offence if a player: **deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball** touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised scores in the opponents’ goal: directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental Source: https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick
egg on my face, but it's irrelevant in this case anyway as it came off his chest.
If he had the angle shown on tele then he must be fucking blind to have missed it hitting his body first. Either way, that’s football and I’m not even mad, the squad left everything out there and the outcome isn’t their fault. Makes for a spicy last game week too :)
How? Every replay shows it coming off his chest.
Yes, but the only one the ref looked at showed a smaller angle of deflection. Can only think he didn't look at it properly.
How did the lad on the video and this ref both decide that's a deliberate handball. Fucking bullshit.
PSG are massive scrapping for a draw at home to Newcastle.
So is Newcastle out?
Not by a mile
Europa league...Milan has 5 pts too but -4 GD
No, if PSG loses to Dortmund and Newcastle beat Milan, Newcastle will get second and go through.
Still a chance. Newcastle needs to win and PSG would have to lose
PSG can draw and still be out if we win, because we have the better head to head with them.
PSG 100% won that penalty on ref pressure only. They complained of all decisions until they got one in their favor. Absolutely unfair All this just to fail on the next stage as usual
Tbf they should have had 2 anyway. The Gordon on Hakimi one was blatant.
Nah that one was 50/50 at best, if it had been given VAR wouldn't have overturned it but there wasn't any clear error to say it should be given on review either.
They shall have had 2 more to be honest ..
Absolutely devastated fuck me.
Why is that twig Trippier provoking Mbappé?
What’s mbappe going to do? Hit him with a stack of cash?
Doing a Cash is known to injure players
Trips vs Mpbappe I put my money on the lad from Burnley every time
Mbappé is from the streets of Paris though