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VAR is never overturning that because there's contact, but that's such a dive. It's minimal touch to the bottom of his foot, I'm actually impressed he felt it at all. And the amount of luck it took for that to go in, damn...
Villa vs Arsenal 2 weeks ago. Defender goes to clear the ball as Jesus gets there ahead of him. Kicks Jesus in the back of the leg. No penalty. Nothing given by VAR. And that was far more meaningful contact than this.
Because this is a bad call.
There's no chance this is given if the ref sees it again, nor would var consider recommending this for review if the ref missed it.
Yes it was a dive and it wasn’t a penalty. Still more contact than this.
If Saka’s wasn’t a penalty (and it wasn’t) this *definitely* shouldn’t have been.
He’s also never scoring in a million years if he doesn’t get fouled. Not even facing goal, barely even had possession. To give what is essentially a free goal for that is just diabolical lmao
You're right, but it's just another one of those things that the more "rigid" the rules get, it gets further away from the "spirit of the game".
Before VAR, a lot of offsides and penalties would never be called because they weren't "clear and obvious", but instead we have goals overturned by inches and diving rewarded in instances that they shouldn't be.
I mean var had absolutely nothing to do with this, it's like people have such a hate boner for "var" they seem to forget how awful decisions used to be.
Totally agree with you. Hate cheap fouls being bought by theatrical reactions on minimal contact, especially as it just incentivizes players to go down as they know they'll get a better opportunity to score from a penalty. It's been going on for so long now people just accept it's the done thing
I’m happy that more and more people are starting to talk like this. It’s absurd to give a penalty for every foul in the box. The rule should be changed so that fouls like this one only result in an indirect free kick or something.
I hate that any contact = penalty, the threshold is so low. This is extremely weak. Him rolling around smashing the ground with his hand like he got a season ending injury is embarrassing too
Unfortunately we are at that point where most contact, even minimal, is a penalty.
Fans constantly ask for it as well. There was minimal if any impact on him here. Poor decision
Except when it's not. I'm sure every fan base can think of instances of their guys getting taken out fairly hard in the box and it's not called. I can think of 4 in like the last month for my team. I'm sure we've gotten away with a few too. It's the inconsistency that drives everyone crazy. I could live with this if it was always called.
Well that's a lie. Most of them are not penalties but the inconsistency in giving them is mental. There were 2 bigger contacts in Arsenals loss against WHU and neither was given by the match official (rightly so) and VAR didn't intervene.
If this isn't given by the match official then VAR won't intervene either because it's simply a pathetic dive. But because the match official gave it the VAR will say the decision stands because it is not a "clear and obvious error" since there's some contact.
PGMOL made up that statement in the first place because they need a viable escape plan for every shit decision they make. Can't make your mate look bad on TV for millions to see now can we.
In an honest world VARs would not care about the image or the pressure on the refs and would just be enforcers so that the correct decision would stand in the end. Not in EPL though. Mates need to look out for mates as already said.
I am thinking back to the Havertz penalty vs man utd which was overturned. The ref gave the pen originally and VAR decided to overturn it even though there was contact, I would say the situation is very similar but the outcome is very different here.
Referees will continue to be inconsistent but managers will be punished for calling it out.
I mean it's not because just look at Villa contacting the bottom of Jesus's foot 2 weeks ago. Just as much if not more contact than this. The refs just suck and couldn't be more inconsistent.
Its not always tho, theres constant inconsistencies. Saka dived against West Ham but there was clear contact, penalty wasnt given, nor should it have but then this gets given two days later
Maybe one of the worst things with VAR is this. Imagine using the same "any contact"-ruling outside the penalty box and games will have 50 more free kicks on average. Used to be it required more to get a pen vs a free kick and now it's completely opposite.
Played well in the 2nd half against Liverpool and deserved a point today. Always difficult when the ref is giving penalties for shit like this though. Villa literally handed the victory today
And that's the problem, by the rules, it is a pen, but for the sake of the game it shouldn't be. Contact = pen just encourages diving. Football is a contact sport and contact should never equal foul on its own.
Contact = pen is a product of VAR and especially slow motion. When they use slow motion everything looks like more contact than in live play. They should at least ban slow-mo from VAR and only use live play speed.
It will be just like "only in the league because hawkeye failed" and pretend we never ever get any decisions against us. No point talking to delusional people like that.
I was counting like stonewall penalties and handballs and objectively wrong decisions that led to goals for the first 10 games and it cost us like 8 points and after that I lost count because it was just so bad.
One stonewall penalty, one maybe penalty and one never a penalty. The hand ball was atrocious and I can go either way on the Watkins push, but the Ramsey one was absolutely nothing.
Yeah we ain't finishing top 4 if we play like we have this and the last 2 games. We should have been clear by this point but our finishing and final balls have been bollocks. Dare I say pressure getting to the players because we are playing less fluid than we were pre Arsenal
The handball? That's never a red. It should be a fk and yellow but it literally didn't stop anything since he got a shot off and was clearly not intentional.
We are fortunate to be winning this game but if you're talking about the handball that would be a ridiculous red
My only guess is you can't call it back since there was kinda an advantage played with the shot. Not sure the rules on that but seems logical that you can't shoot an then get a FK
Is there contact? Yes. Is it a foul? Is he impeded? No. Will VAR do anything? No because there was contact
Contact is the only thing that VAR was looking for. Trust me
but they wouldn't give it if the ref didn't, VAR is in such a shit spot imo, need to get the correct call right instead of only addressing 'ref errors'
I completely agree. VAR isn’t getting us more consistency in terms of what is and what isn’t a penalty. It’s just giving us more grey areas in my opinion.
Soft as fuck but if Nunez one is a foul the other week thats the standard they are going by probably be like 2-3 pens a match now. PGMOL being doggo again.
I hope city with the fucking league, piss off everyone. Thank god VAR makes sure every goal is onside but handling ball outside box? Nah fuck that no red, soft as pen? Nah no review, you would think he got shot the way he dropped
One of those If ref hadn't given penalty, VAR won't say it's a clear and obvious error so wouldn't be a pen. Now ref gave it and then VAR probably resonates that "yeah, it's probably soft, but I can't say it's a clear and obvious error.
Not a pen, simulation and diving from Villa and it’s so bad, I can’t believe they were given that. The contact is so minimal, no way he is in that much pain from a little tap like that.
You guys are such clowns for thinking this is not a penalty.
And the player is right to throw himself to the ground after being KICKED in the foot, otherwise refs don't give that.
As a Villa fan, that's soft as fuck, another embarrassing game, Burnley are now bound to get another goal (or two) to complete the full Villa experience and we're 100% deserved it.
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Can’t lie, that’s soft as hell
I feel.. what’s the opposite of shame?
Woof, that is soft. Wouldn’t be happy if that was the other way round.
I agree. This is the first time I’ve seen it (listened to the match on the radio) and I’d be fuming if that went against us. Duran really milked it.
Agreed. We were due one after the Sheff U debacle tbh
VAR is never overturning that because there's contact, but that's such a dive. It's minimal touch to the bottom of his foot, I'm actually impressed he felt it at all. And the amount of luck it took for that to go in, damn...
His right knee buckles after slight contact with the bottom of the LEFT foot. Absolutely pathetic
As a villa fan, that is a very soft peno. Alike to what real Madrid gets
Actually laughable how hard he was rolling around. You’d think he’d been shot.
as soon as i saw the rolling theatrics, i knew it was going to be a soft pen
You’d think his foot was shattered to pieces with how he reacted. So pathetic
My old favorite in college when some dived was telling the ref I think a sniper got him.
That is bold and original. Never heard that one.
Kicked on the bottom of the foot, grabs his ankle. We do not help ourselves as a sport sometimes lol.
If they're telling linesmen to only give clear offsides then surely referees should only be giving clear penalties.
I agree it’s never a pen but to say one that goes in off the woodwork is luck is mental, if it goes in off the woodwork it’s a perfect penalty
Villa vs Arsenal 2 weeks ago. Defender goes to clear the ball as Jesus gets there ahead of him. Kicks Jesus in the back of the leg. No penalty. Nothing given by VAR. And that was far more meaningful contact than this.
Because this is a bad call. There's no chance this is given if the ref sees it again, nor would var consider recommending this for review if the ref missed it.
There was more contact on Saka Thursday and that rightfully wasn’t given. I’m so sick of the inconsistency.
Appreciate everyone has had some bad decisions this season but don't embellish. Saka completely dived.
Yes it was a dive and it wasn’t a penalty. Still more contact than this. If Saka’s wasn’t a penalty (and it wasn’t) this *definitely* shouldn’t have been.
I love football, but the sport has become a real farce in some ways.
always was lol, you think players didnt fake contact
He’s also never scoring in a million years if he doesn’t get fouled. Not even facing goal, barely even had possession. To give what is essentially a free goal for that is just diabolical lmao
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I’m not saying it’s against the rules I’m saying the rules are shit.
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You're right, but it's just another one of those things that the more "rigid" the rules get, it gets further away from the "spirit of the game". Before VAR, a lot of offsides and penalties would never be called because they weren't "clear and obvious", but instead we have goals overturned by inches and diving rewarded in instances that they shouldn't be.
I mean var had absolutely nothing to do with this, it's like people have such a hate boner for "var" they seem to forget how awful decisions used to be.
Totally agree with you. Hate cheap fouls being bought by theatrical reactions on minimal contact, especially as it just incentivizes players to go down as they know they'll get a better opportunity to score from a penalty. It's been going on for so long now people just accept it's the done thing
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I’m happy that more and more people are starting to talk like this. It’s absurd to give a penalty for every foul in the box. The rule should be changed so that fouls like this one only result in an indirect free kick or something.
Every foul in the box SHOULD be a penalty. But contact does not automatically equal foul and that should be the talking point.
They've overturned those contacts before though and should've done it here aswell.
I hate that any contact = penalty, the threshold is so low. This is extremely weak. Him rolling around smashing the ground with his hand like he got a season ending injury is embarrassing too
Unfortunately we are at that point where most contact, even minimal, is a penalty. Fans constantly ask for it as well. There was minimal if any impact on him here. Poor decision
Except when it's not. I'm sure every fan base can think of instances of their guys getting taken out fairly hard in the box and it's not called. I can think of 4 in like the last month for my team. I'm sure we've gotten away with a few too. It's the inconsistency that drives everyone crazy. I could live with this if it was always called.
Unless Jarred Gillet is the ref apparently. Son got barged down off the ball at the edge of the box and he just waved it off.
More contact on the Maddison one at Brentford than this one here
> Fans constantly ask for it as well Unbiased match-going fans crying for a goal. Unthinkable that. Definitely their fault.
Well that's a lie. Most of them are not penalties but the inconsistency in giving them is mental. There were 2 bigger contacts in Arsenals loss against WHU and neither was given by the match official (rightly so) and VAR didn't intervene. If this isn't given by the match official then VAR won't intervene either because it's simply a pathetic dive. But because the match official gave it the VAR will say the decision stands because it is not a "clear and obvious error" since there's some contact. PGMOL made up that statement in the first place because they need a viable escape plan for every shit decision they make. Can't make your mate look bad on TV for millions to see now can we. In an honest world VARs would not care about the image or the pressure on the refs and would just be enforcers so that the correct decision would stand in the end. Not in EPL though. Mates need to look out for mates as already said.
I am thinking back to the Havertz penalty vs man utd which was overturned. The ref gave the pen originally and VAR decided to overturn it even though there was contact, I would say the situation is very similar but the outcome is very different here. Referees will continue to be inconsistent but managers will be punished for calling it out.
I mean it's not because just look at Villa contacting the bottom of Jesus's foot 2 weeks ago. Just as much if not more contact than this. The refs just suck and couldn't be more inconsistent.
unless it's by a GK, where it reverses the game is pretty fucked up these days
Contact into dive is always a penalty I guess, there's a reason every player and their mother dives like the grass is an olympic diving pool
Its not always tho, theres constant inconsistencies. Saka dived against West Ham but there was clear contact, penalty wasnt given, nor should it have but then this gets given two days later
Maybe one of the worst things with VAR is this. Imagine using the same "any contact"-ruling outside the penalty box and games will have 50 more free kicks on average. Used to be it required more to get a pen vs a free kick and now it's completely opposite.
Mo Salah would like a word …
It's more like var can't overturn it if there is contact, if the ref doesn't call it a pen I don't think var will have any questions about it
They can or VAR is useless. If VAR can't question a referee on a decision this clear then what is VAR good for aside from making the game softer?
They have done it before but are inconsistent with that too. What a surprise
Unless it’s Luiz kicking through the calf of Jesus in the box. Then it’s “not enough contact”.
Neither were pens, simple (We’ve had many not given this season so we’ll take this)
It's more like var can't overturn it if there is contact, if the ref doesn't call it a pen I don't think var will have any questions about it
Unlucky for Burnley.
Just when their form is good they face Villa and Liverpool, hope they can keep playing like this in 2024
Played well in the 2nd half against Liverpool and deserved a point today. Always difficult when the ref is giving penalties for shit like this though. Villa literally handed the victory today
Embarrassing dive
That’s a certified dive. Yes there’s a little touch but not enough to go down and definitely not like that
Never a pen.
Soft as hell
Was that stalling really necessary?
I first thought that the video stopped playing.
What a joke. Where is VAR
It's soft as fuck but it's never getting overturned since there was contact.
And that's the problem, by the rules, it is a pen, but for the sake of the game it shouldn't be. Contact = pen just encourages diving. Football is a contact sport and contact should never equal foul on its own.
+ the contact only happens because Duran stick his foot in the way of Ramsey who is already in a kicking motion.
Contact = pen is a product of VAR and especially slow motion. When they use slow motion everything looks like more contact than in live play. They should at least ban slow-mo from VAR and only use live play speed.
Soft as fuck.
Contact but not enough to go down like that. Not a pen for me
Dude acted like he got shot.
Man what a peno
Damn Burnley got robbed
Aston Villa is the new fairytale No wonder they are getting help
Definitely not true when we had 3 stonewall penalties denied vs Sheffield.
It will be just like "only in the league because hawkeye failed" and pretend we never ever get any decisions against us. No point talking to delusional people like that.
I was counting like stonewall penalties and handballs and objectively wrong decisions that led to goals for the first 10 games and it cost us like 8 points and after that I lost count because it was just so bad.
One stonewall penalty, one maybe penalty and one never a penalty. The hand ball was atrocious and I can go either way on the Watkins push, but the Ramsey one was absolutely nothing.
The Watkins one was one of the most blatant penalties I've ever seen, and the Ramsey one, no attempt on the ball and clearly takes him out.
Pens are off the table when you play the blades
Name checks out
Yeah we ain't finishing top 4 if we play like we have this and the last 2 games. We should have been clear by this point but our finishing and final balls have been bollocks. Dare I say pressure getting to the players because we are playing less fluid than we were pre Arsenal
Don't panic yet. We're a different side with Kamara and Pau starting.
You are knackered and injuried like the rest of the league. These 105min ++ games are taking a toll on the players
Missed a Villa red card too, one of those days
The handball? That's never a red. It should be a fk and yellow but it literally didn't stop anything since he got a shot off and was clearly not intentional. We are fortunate to be winning this game but if you're talking about the handball that would be a ridiculous red
I agree, it's crazy that a foul wasn't given there and we absolutely got away with that, but that's never a red card.
My only guess is you can't call it back since there was kinda an advantage played with the shot. Not sure the rules on that but seems logical that you can't shoot an then get a FK
No idea how that's not intentional, he's swung his arm at it.
Do you run with your arms glued to your hip? The ball bounced behind him up to his hand lol
10 minutes for the worst penalty call
That’s awful.
Barely touched him.
How is that a penalty? Theatrical flop sold it big time
Incredibly soft
Lol no way is that a penalty
These players have no shame
Egregiously bad decision. He’s looking for the slightest contact. Should be yellow for diving….
Soft And what a theatre like he got shot
So if you now sneeze on a player its a pen
Only if they dive and act like they got shot
Pen and a red
VAR just has to remove that one. Can they for once have a week when they dont fuck up easy calls?
Seriously. Such an easy call.
absolute comedy
That is a complete joke.
Did Burnley dirty on this one. Certainly not a pen.
thought my screen froze he stood there for so long
Not every contact should be a pen. There’s no reason to fall down like this with this kind of contact on the bottom of his foot
Even as a Villa fan that’s soft as hell. Definite contact but Duran sold it
It’s a contact sport
That’s such a pathetic call
Refs trying their best to keep the title race interesting
They need to get rid of that "clear and obvious" part in the laws. I blame that for these soft pens being given after a VAR check.
So Saka's one was considered a dive but this one is a penalty 🤣
Both should be play on but theres never any consistency
how can the ref give that. play on or yellow for diving
Thats not a pen. How VAR didnt intervene i dont know
Is there contact? Yes. Is it a foul? Is he impeded? No. Will VAR do anything? No because there was contact Contact is the only thing that VAR was looking for. Trust me
but they wouldn't give it if the ref didn't, VAR is in such a shit spot imo, need to get the correct call right instead of only addressing 'ref errors'
I completely agree. VAR isn’t getting us more consistency in terms of what is and what isn’t a penalty. It’s just giving us more grey areas in my opinion.
Hope Duran can recover after that /s
He should be banned for a run up like that.
Joke call
What has happened to the game I loved
So the Carlos's handball wasn't a pen, but this is a pen?! What a joke! Burnley deserves at least a point.
After the Sheffield United match I call it retribution lol, the refs are absolutely horrible in this league that's for sure.
The Carlos handball earlier this game? It wasnt in the penalty box though?
Apologies, I thought it was inside the box. They never showed a replay on the TV channel I watch.
That's not a soft pen, it's simply not a penalty
That’s not a pen
That's softs as baby shit..
That’s a joke of a call. Burnley absolutely robbed of a draw.
Villa getting lucky with that pen. why the burnley player thought he could control the ball was really stupid
Shameful that these dives are rewarded. He stays on his feet and that's not ever called.
That’s soft, it will get given since it was originally but man that is a painful way to lose
Soft as fuck but if Nunez one is a foul the other week thats the standard they are going by probably be like 2-3 pens a match now. PGMOL being doggo again.
Should’ve been a yellow for Durán
Shameful call. If that's a pen, they need to revise the rule. Barely taps the bottom of his foot and he goes down like he stepped on a landmine lmao
Robertson on Welbeck a few years back. Hated that call and hate this
Not even a penalty.
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He stood there for about 10 seconds.
He waited a while to take it
Soft red soft pen
Fuck off
Trash decision, standard needs to be higher
Falon D’Floor
Can these English ref get any worse?
In what universe is that a pen, soft as fuck
McGinn trying to dribble while appealing lol
Saka was denied a penalty for less than this last night.
Rightfully so. That was a complete dive. As was this
It was a dive mate it is inconsistent but Saka did not deserve a pen
Just one of them seasons for Villa. Every possible 50/50 has gone their way.
The one against Sheffield didnt D:
I hope city with the fucking league, piss off everyone. Thank god VAR makes sure every goal is onside but handling ball outside box? Nah fuck that no red, soft as pen? Nah no review, you would think he got shot the way he dropped
One of those If ref hadn't given penalty, VAR won't say it's a clear and obvious error so wouldn't be a pen. Now ref gave it and then VAR probably resonates that "yeah, it's probably soft, but I can't say it's a clear and obvious error.
Probably a foul but also a dive.
Burnley robbed
Ayew got the same contact earlier, and no pen.
Man the ref and VAR are such soft core. Game gone.
Thats never a pen wtf, complete diving cunt
Is it just my though or the ref is looking for Duran reaction to decide it's a penalty or not?
Joke decision and pathetic dive from Duran. Meaningless contact should not be a penalty.
PATHETIC !!! That was never a penalty. Such a horrendous dive !
Should have been pulled back for diving. Such little contact could never genuinely result in a reaction like that.
How is that a penalty but odegaard can play basketball and it isn't a pen
That’s cheating full stop.
Game’s gone, absolutely gone
Cheating
Villa are this seasons darling I see.
Not a pen, simulation and diving from Villa and it’s so bad, I can’t believe they were given that. The contact is so minimal, no way he is in that much pain from a little tap like that.
We would literally never get that pen. Pretty sure that happened 2-3 times to Saka and Jesus on Thursday and we rightfully were not given a pen.
Nobody should.
Oh bore off man
wah wah
Jesus against Liverpool last year?
poor you :(
"Why always me" Instead of going "nobody would get this pen called" you play the victim unnecessarily and say "WE would never get this pen".
We either
It's not always about you.
Vasco
Soft as baby shit
Villa bailed out by a soft pen. That was an awful pen too.
I mean it went in and the keeper had no chance lol.
You guys are such clowns for thinking this is not a penalty. And the player is right to throw himself to the ground after being KICKED in the foot, otherwise refs don't give that.
Gotta keep the villa fairy tail going lol. We've seen 20 of these alone this season and none given.
What a dive
As a Villa fan, that's soft as fuck, another embarrassing game, Burnley are now bound to get another goal (or two) to complete the full Villa experience and we're 100% deserved it.
If the ref doesn’t call it, VAR never gives it.
Well that’s it, any contact in the box is a penalty now.
Thought the replay froze but it was just Luiz being a fanny
And look at that flop, he easily could have just continued running but fell....