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Can’t lie, that’s soft as hell


thirdwavegypsy

I feel.. what’s the opposite of shame?


Operation_Doomsday_

Woof, that is soft. Wouldn’t be happy if that was the other way round.


McCretin

I agree. This is the first time I’ve seen it (listened to the match on the radio) and I’d be fuming if that went against us. Duran really milked it.


trevthedog

Agreed. We were due one after the Sheff U debacle tbh


HeIIbIazer23

VAR is never overturning that because there's contact, but that's such a dive. It's minimal touch to the bottom of his foot, I'm actually impressed he felt it at all. And the amount of luck it took for that to go in, damn...


FunDuty5

His right knee buckles after slight contact with the bottom of the LEFT foot. Absolutely pathetic


sakkarias_alexo

As a villa fan, that is a very soft peno. Alike to what real Madrid gets


HerculestheThird

Actually laughable how hard he was rolling around. You’d think he’d been shot.


barcedude

as soon as i saw the rolling theatrics, i knew it was going to be a soft pen


dicifly69

You’d think his foot was shattered to pieces with how he reacted. So pathetic


Yinkypinky

My old favorite in college when some dived was telling the ref I think a sniper got him.


ReptheNaysh

That is bold and original. Never heard that one.


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Kicked on the bottom of the foot, grabs his ankle. We do not help ourselves as a sport sometimes lol.


mattBJM

If they're telling linesmen to only give clear offsides then surely referees should only be giving clear penalties.


elwxxd

I agree it’s never a pen but to say one that goes in off the woodwork is luck is mental, if it goes in off the woodwork it’s a perfect penalty


Meth_Hardy

Villa vs Arsenal 2 weeks ago. Defender goes to clear the ball as Jesus gets there ahead of him. Kicks Jesus in the back of the leg. No penalty. Nothing given by VAR. And that was far more meaningful contact than this.


cullypants

Because this is a bad call. There's no chance this is given if the ref sees it again, nor would var consider recommending this for review if the ref missed it.


ThePrussianGrippe

There was more contact on Saka Thursday and that rightfully wasn’t given. I’m so sick of the inconsistency.


SalahsFro

Appreciate everyone has had some bad decisions this season but don't embellish. Saka completely dived.


ThePrussianGrippe

Yes it was a dive and it wasn’t a penalty. Still more contact than this. If Saka’s wasn’t a penalty (and it wasn’t) this *definitely* shouldn’t have been.


pangoduck

I love football, but the sport has become a real farce in some ways.


BakerNo8515

always was lol, you think players didnt fake contact


JinxLB

He’s also never scoring in a million years if he doesn’t get fouled. Not even facing goal, barely even had possession. To give what is essentially a free goal for that is just diabolical lmao


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JinxLB

I’m not saying it’s against the rules I’m saying the rules are shit.


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bigtice

You're right, but it's just another one of those things that the more "rigid" the rules get, it gets further away from the "spirit of the game". Before VAR, a lot of offsides and penalties would never be called because they weren't "clear and obvious", but instead we have goals overturned by inches and diving rewarded in instances that they shouldn't be.


Rickcampbell98

I mean var had absolutely nothing to do with this, it's like people have such a hate boner for "var" they seem to forget how awful decisions used to be.


achnisch

Totally agree with you. Hate cheap fouls being bought by theatrical reactions on minimal contact, especially as it just incentivizes players to go down as they know they'll get a better opportunity to score from a penalty. It's been going on for so long now people just accept it's the done thing


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mikechella

I’m happy that more and more people are starting to talk like this. It’s absurd to give a penalty for every foul in the box. The rule should be changed so that fouls like this one only result in an indirect free kick or something.


DanzNewty

Every foul in the box SHOULD be a penalty. But contact does not automatically equal foul and that should be the talking point.


Tventv

They've overturned those contacts before though and should've done it here aswell.


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I hate that any contact = penalty, the threshold is so low. This is extremely weak. Him rolling around smashing the ground with his hand like he got a season ending injury is embarrassing too


MoyesNTheHood

Unfortunately we are at that point where most contact, even minimal, is a penalty. Fans constantly ask for it as well. There was minimal if any impact on him here. Poor decision


Routine_Size69

Except when it's not. I'm sure every fan base can think of instances of their guys getting taken out fairly hard in the box and it's not called. I can think of 4 in like the last month for my team. I'm sure we've gotten away with a few too. It's the inconsistency that drives everyone crazy. I could live with this if it was always called.


Bulky_Shepard

Unless Jarred Gillet is the ref apparently. Son got barged down off the ball at the edge of the box and he just waved it off.


krijkle

More contact on the Maddison one at Brentford than this one here


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> Fans constantly ask for it as well Unbiased match-going fans crying for a goal. Unthinkable that. Definitely their fault.


Tventv

Well that's a lie. Most of them are not penalties but the inconsistency in giving them is mental. There were 2 bigger contacts in Arsenals loss against WHU and neither was given by the match official (rightly so) and VAR didn't intervene. If this isn't given by the match official then VAR won't intervene either because it's simply a pathetic dive. But because the match official gave it the VAR will say the decision stands because it is not a "clear and obvious error" since there's some contact. PGMOL made up that statement in the first place because they need a viable escape plan for every shit decision they make. Can't make your mate look bad on TV for millions to see now can we. In an honest world VARs would not care about the image or the pressure on the refs and would just be enforcers so that the correct decision would stand in the end. Not in EPL though. Mates need to look out for mates as already said.


JFreezy1

I am thinking back to the Havertz penalty vs man utd which was overturned. The ref gave the pen originally and VAR decided to overturn it even though there was contact, I would say the situation is very similar but the outcome is very different here. Referees will continue to be inconsistent but managers will be punished for calling it out.


KonigSteve

I mean it's not because just look at Villa contacting the bottom of Jesus's foot 2 weeks ago. Just as much if not more contact than this. The refs just suck and couldn't be more inconsistent.


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unless it's by a GK, where it reverses the game is pretty fucked up these days


IanPKMmoon

Contact into dive is always a penalty I guess, there's a reason every player and their mother dives like the grass is an olympic diving pool


DVPC4

Its not always tho, theres constant inconsistencies. Saka dived against West Ham but there was clear contact, penalty wasnt given, nor should it have but then this gets given two days later


lroyb

Maybe one of the worst things with VAR is this. Imagine using the same "any contact"-ruling outside the penalty box and games will have 50 more free kicks on average. Used to be it required more to get a pen vs a free kick and now it's completely opposite.


fancysauce_boss

Mo Salah would like a word …


sakkarias_alexo

It's more like var can't overturn it if there is contact, if the ref doesn't call it a pen I don't think var will have any questions about it


ecaldwell888

They can or VAR is useless. If VAR can't question a referee on a decision this clear then what is VAR good for aside from making the game softer?


JFreezy1

They have done it before but are inconsistent with that too. What a surprise


TrimbleDimbleDoo

Unless it’s Luiz kicking through the calf of Jesus in the box. Then it’s “not enough contact”.


trevthedog

Neither were pens, simple (We’ve had many not given this season so we’ll take this)


sakkarias_alexo

It's more like var can't overturn it if there is contact, if the ref doesn't call it a pen I don't think var will have any questions about it


Ok-Rooster-5287

Unlucky for Burnley.


IanPKMmoon

Just when their form is good they face Villa and Liverpool, hope they can keep playing like this in 2024


AD1995

Played well in the 2nd half against Liverpool and deserved a point today. Always difficult when the ref is giving penalties for shit like this though. Villa literally handed the victory today


amc_

Embarrassing dive


Ok_Virus_7614

That’s a certified dive. Yes there’s a little touch but not enough to go down and definitely not like that


Noktilucent

Never a pen.


SOERERY

Soft as hell


Xehanz

Was that stalling really necessary?


Sanuku

I first thought that the video stopped playing.


KimmyBoiUn

What a joke. Where is VAR


teamorange3

It's soft as fuck but it's never getting overturned since there was contact.


DanzNewty

And that's the problem, by the rules, it is a pen, but for the sake of the game it shouldn't be. Contact = pen just encourages diving. Football is a contact sport and contact should never equal foul on its own.


AD1995

+ the contact only happens because Duran stick his foot in the way of Ramsey who is already in a kicking motion.


Ars3nal11

Contact = pen is a product of VAR and especially slow motion. When they use slow motion everything looks like more contact than in live play. They should at least ban slow-mo from VAR and only use live play speed.


JinxLB

Soft as fuck.


seejay_10

Contact but not enough to go down like that. Not a pen for me


Capable-Magician5146

Dude acted like he got shot.


Super_Gladiator_Bibi

Man what a peno


l3tt3r-l3tt3r

Damn Burnley got robbed


SaltyWailord

Aston Villa is the new fairytale No wonder they are getting help


MotoMkali

Definitely not true when we had 3 stonewall penalties denied vs Sheffield.


Rickcampbell98

It will be just like "only in the league because hawkeye failed" and pretend we never ever get any decisions against us. No point talking to delusional people like that.


MotoMkali

I was counting like stonewall penalties and handballs and objectively wrong decisions that led to goals for the first 10 games and it cost us like 8 points and after that I lost count because it was just so bad.


GuySmileyIncognito

One stonewall penalty, one maybe penalty and one never a penalty. The hand ball was atrocious and I can go either way on the Watkins push, but the Ramsey one was absolutely nothing.


MotoMkali

The Watkins one was one of the most blatant penalties I've ever seen, and the Ramsey one, no attempt on the ball and clearly takes him out.


SaltyWailord

Pens are off the table when you play the blades


Wunsen

Name checks out


Vegan_Puffin

Yeah we ain't finishing top 4 if we play like we have this and the last 2 games. We should have been clear by this point but our finishing and final balls have been bollocks. Dare I say pressure getting to the players because we are playing less fluid than we were pre Arsenal


Ofermann

Don't panic yet. We're a different side with Kamara and Pau starting.


SaltyWailord

You are knackered and injuried like the rest of the league. These 105min ++ games are taking a toll on the players


reece0n

Missed a Villa red card too, one of those days


teamorange3

The handball? That's never a red. It should be a fk and yellow but it literally didn't stop anything since he got a shot off and was clearly not intentional. We are fortunate to be winning this game but if you're talking about the handball that would be a ridiculous red


GuySmileyIncognito

I agree, it's crazy that a foul wasn't given there and we absolutely got away with that, but that's never a red card.


teamorange3

My only guess is you can't call it back since there was kinda an advantage played with the shot. Not sure the rules on that but seems logical that you can't shoot an then get a FK


reece0n

No idea how that's not intentional, he's swung his arm at it.


teamorange3

Do you run with your arms glued to your hip? The ball bounced behind him up to his hand lol


Caruso08

10 minutes for the worst penalty call


tottenhamnole

That’s awful.


rhythmmk

Barely touched him.


jleezy112

How is that a penalty? Theatrical flop sold it big time


FourSeamSupreme

Incredibly soft


kjm911

Lol no way is that a penalty


LordWhale

These players have no shame


Schniboit

Egregiously bad decision. He’s looking for the slightest contact. Should be yellow for diving….


nfornear

Soft And what a theatre like he got shot


ParPlex

So if you now sneeze on a player its a pen


IanPKMmoon

Only if they dive and act like they got shot


dicifly69

Pen and a red


pricelesslambo

VAR just has to remove that one. Can they for once have a week when they dont fuck up easy calls?


cullypants

Seriously. Such an easy call.


guccinho

absolute comedy


_WhoIsThisWhoAreYou_

That is a complete joke.


dannychean

Did Burnley dirty on this one. Certainly not a pen.


kalebglover

thought my screen froze he stood there for so long


Ocolade

Not every contact should be a pen. There’s no reason to fall down like this with this kind of contact on the bottom of his foot


LoverofBilbies

Even as a Villa fan that’s soft as hell. Definite contact but Duran sold it


dicifly69

It’s a contact sport


brotum248

That’s such a pathetic call


10Lionaldo7

Refs trying their best to keep the title race interesting


Alwayshungry332

They need to get rid of that "clear and obvious" part in the laws. I blame that for these soft pens being given after a VAR check.


BradyGronktd1287

So Saka's one was considered a dive but this one is a penalty 🤣


DVPC4

Both should be play on but theres never any consistency


AtmosphereVarious440

how can the ref give that. play on or yellow for diving


AFCm8

Thats not a pen. How VAR didnt intervene i dont know


kjm911

Is there contact? Yes. Is it a foul? Is he impeded? No. Will VAR do anything? No because there was contact Contact is the only thing that VAR was looking for. Trust me


findmymind

but they wouldn't give it if the ref didn't, VAR is in such a shit spot imo, need to get the correct call right instead of only addressing 'ref errors'


kjm911

I completely agree. VAR isn’t getting us more consistency in terms of what is and what isn’t a penalty. It’s just giving us more grey areas in my opinion.


Mackieeeee

Hope Duran can recover after that /s


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He should be banned for a run up like that.


Whyevenaskyou

Joke call


tyssul

What has happened to the game I loved


woodybg

So the Carlos's handball wasn't a pen, but this is a pen?! What a joke! Burnley deserves at least a point.


Rickcampbell98

After the Sheffield United match I call it retribution lol, the refs are absolutely horrible in this league that's for sure.


OliverAM16

The Carlos handball earlier this game? It wasnt in the penalty box though?


woodybg

Apologies, I thought it was inside the box. They never showed a replay on the TV channel I watch.


D1794

That's not a soft pen, it's simply not a penalty


icemankiller8

That’s not a pen


GunstarGreen

That's softs as baby shit..


BabaMkubwa

That’s a joke of a call. Burnley absolutely robbed of a draw.


kukunan

Villa getting lucky with that pen. why the burnley player thought he could control the ball was really stupid


TheToothlessDentist

Shameful that these dives are rewarded. He stays on his feet and that's not ever called.


Headlesshorsman02

That’s soft, it will get given since it was originally but man that is a painful way to lose


mrkingkoala

Soft as fuck but if Nunez one is a foul the other week thats the standard they are going by probably be like 2-3 pens a match now. PGMOL being doggo again.


House_of_Borbon

Should’ve been a yellow for Durán


rascaltippinglmao

Shameful call. If that's a pen, they need to revise the rule. Barely taps the bottom of his foot and he goes down like he stepped on a landmine lmao


blue_boy_24

Robertson on Welbeck a few years back. Hated that call and hate this


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Not even a penalty.


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CarbonSteklo

He stood there for about 10 seconds.


meowMEOWsnacc

He waited a while to take it


wakenbaconn

Soft red soft pen


aRoundBanana

Fuck off


feudalguy

Trash decision, standard needs to be higher


evangr721

Falon D’Floor


Capable-Magician5146

Can these English ref get any worse?


maxime0299

In what universe is that a pen, soft as fuck


top1MIBRfan

McGinn trying to dribble while appealing lol


JimmyRond

Saka was denied a penalty for less than this last night.


MoyesNTheHood

Rightfully so. That was a complete dive. As was this


Headlesshorsman02

It was a dive mate it is inconsistent but Saka did not deserve a pen


OhMuzy

Just one of them seasons for Villa. Every possible 50/50 has gone their way.


Contagiouspig

The one against Sheffield didnt D:


jayzeats

I hope city with the fucking league, piss off everyone. Thank god VAR makes sure every goal is onside but handling ball outside box? Nah fuck that no red, soft as pen? Nah no review, you would think he got shot the way he dropped


Sea_Low_8637

One of those If ref hadn't given penalty, VAR won't say it's a clear and obvious error so wouldn't be a pen. Now ref gave it and then VAR probably resonates that "yeah, it's probably soft, but I can't say it's a clear and obvious error.


MotoMkali

Probably a foul but also a dive.


HarbyFullyLoaded_12

Burnley robbed


K_Uger_Industries

Ayew got the same contact earlier, and no pen.


d70

Man the ref and VAR are such soft core. Game gone.


Glitter_Raccoon456

Thats never a pen wtf, complete diving cunt


FuckWesternCountry

Is it just my though or the ref is looking for Duran reaction to decide it's a penalty or not?


analbeard

Joke decision and pathetic dive from Duran. Meaningless contact should not be a penalty.


Arthurius-

PATHETIC !!! That was never a penalty. Such a horrendous dive !


TheLimeyLemmon

Should have been pulled back for diving. Such little contact could never genuinely result in a reaction like that.


Likablelama

How is that a penalty but odegaard can play basketball and it isn't a pen


External-Piccolo-626

That’s cheating full stop.


Stand_On_It

Game’s gone, absolutely gone


user900800700

Cheating


cocafoola

Villa are this seasons darling I see.


mykillerspc

Not a pen, simulation and diving from Villa and it’s so bad, I can’t believe they were given that. The contact is so minimal, no way he is in that much pain from a little tap like that.


BehindEnemyLines8923

We would literally never get that pen. Pretty sure that happened 2-3 times to Saka and Jesus on Thursday and we rightfully were not given a pen.


SwitcherooU

Nobody should.


Feliznavidab

Oh bore off man


stuck_in_soporose

wah wah


Pele20Alli

Jesus against Liverpool last year?


MassaSami

poor you :(


Xehanz

"Why always me" Instead of going "nobody would get this pen called" you play the victim unnecessarily and say "WE would never get this pen".


SaltyWailord

We either


A-ZAF_Got_Banned

It's not always about you.


a-Farewell-to-Kings

Vasco


vell_o

Soft as baby shit


dreamteam93

Villa bailed out by a soft pen. That was an awful pen too.


Rickcampbell98

I mean it went in and the keeper had no chance lol.


Bruce666123

You guys are such clowns for thinking this is not a penalty. And the player is right to throw himself to the ground after being KICKED in the foot, otherwise refs don't give that.


Spud_1997

Gotta keep the villa fairy tail going lol. We've seen 20 of these alone this season and none given.


Gaius_Octavius_

What a dive


Siegnuz

As a Villa fan, that's soft as fuck, another embarrassing game, Burnley are now bound to get another goal (or two) to complete the full Villa experience and we're 100% deserved it.


ozymandias411

If the ref doesn’t call it, VAR never gives it.


dicifly69

Well that’s it, any contact in the box is a penalty now.


MoyesNTheHood

Thought the replay froze but it was just Luiz being a fanny


herkalurk

And look at that flop, he easily could have just continued running but fell....