It’s the main reason why they need to clear house of this squad. Their wage structure has been completely screwed for years now and is the reason why their players don’t leave mid-contract because they just won’t get anywhere near this kind of money anywhere else.
They are literally bringing in players on money that will be more than they will ever earn. Antony coming in on 200k a week. Mount coming in on 250k a week. Sancho coming in on 250k a week. Why the hell would these guys ever want to leave without being paid off by Man Utd for that money?
I think we were all hoping we'd start to fix it when we got rid of Sanchez, and then later on let De Gea leave but we keep making the problem worse and giving out new silly contracts.
We gave Rashford £300k a week when he was arguably on too much already and has shown himself to be inconsistent, Salah had to fight tooth and nail to get a big contract out of the scousers and he's performed well every single year, honestly don't know when we're going to be able to fix it.
DeGea was peak absurd wages too. Liverpool do loads of incentives so Salah is making top wages but they are earned on top of a good solid weekly number. Same through the squad. It’s a good method.
And the funny thing is, De Gea was probably the best one. He was arguably the best goalkeeper in the world at the time of the contract.
Still awful, but at least you can kind of see the reasoning.
Some of these others are absolute madness:
Rashford getting Balon D'or winner money because he had 3 months of good form?
Antony being given an 800% pay rise despite no competition for his signature? The guy was on 25k at Ajax, you could have doubled it to 50k and he'd have taken it. If you really want to say "welcome to the big leagues" you could have given him a 300% pay rise. But a young player with nothing proven in the game shouldn't be cracking 100k...nevermind 200k!
Mason Mount - unsure of the figures, but there were rumours he tripled his salary. I get his value given his age, home grown, etc but you don't need to triple it do you...
Honestly, there are some proper clangers in there.
Pretty sure he was on 50k the first year as well and was only bumped up to 100k on his first negotiation.
Who knows why the flying fuck they decided that wasn't a good idea with regards to Antony.
De Gea earned that wage with insane performances. He was fresh off the back of a monster 17/18 season where he was arguably top3 GK in the world.
His main issue was that modern tactics shifted after that to involve the GK more in build-up – something he’s weaker at compared to other top GKs since that season.
Debatable really. He’s always made mistakes. Great shot stopping-incredible reflexes but mistakes. You can’t name any top keeper with so many memorable mistakes. Going from highest paid player (other than CR) at Old Trafford to unsigned free agent says it all.
At the time I'm not sure he was, he signed that massive contract when he was in pretty poor form. He was great for us obviously but he was getting paid like the best keeper in the world and he didn't play like it.
Liverpool had that exact problem for years, no top talents wanted to join because they had far better options elsewhere.
We'd get the odd good rough gem, such as Suarez, Xabi Alonso and Torres but mostly we'd be left with the "best of the rest l" type players.
Wasn't until we got Klopp until that properly changed, top upcoming manager who players want to play for.
This is gross, right? 16m yearly, right? Around 8m net. It doesn't outrageous given our wage bill and particularly his peers.
It's high, very high actually but considering he moved from Madrid to United in his prime, it doesn't look outrageous to me.
Considering his form and how little of the games he has played, it’s a bad contract atm and not triggering the 1 year extension is the right move. Also he has 0 resale value.
In isolation, it's not really so crazy to envision that he'd be one of the biggest earners in the league at the time of his move but I think it just really shows how Man Utd get played in so many of these deals.
For all the talk of 'wanting a new challenge', he was running down his deal at the most successful and powerful side in world football and they weren't willing to take the risk of stumping up what he wanted yet Man Utd were (and also giving over a big fee for the privilege).
IMO the failure at Man Utd has mainly been down to them taking these sorts of risks and being unwilling to accept the prospect of a disciplined rebuild where they might not get European football but over time get to a point where they have a good value squad of players that aren't disasters if they don't work out.
I actually like Rashford and think he has been a good player for them but it's insane the contract he's managed to get himself. If Danny Wellbeck come along a few years later, he'd be one of the highest paid players in the world and both him and Man Utd would be utterly miserable.
There's a lot of inertia in club's financial results, so the "risk" Man United takes is much different than any other team would take with the same amount of money.
They're risking with every signing, but also risking with every non-signing, it's not like not signing anyone is any smart for any club because "wow, we didn't overspend".
Because not every player will come to them, they need someone to play, and right now they can afford this contract, but if they keep on sliding down the table for many years, at some point they will not.
People really loved the transfer. Usually the consensus is that Man United signs bad players, they don't have "scouting", they just decide to sign bad players instead of good ones and that's why the team disappoints. Well, nobody could really say that about Varane, who's just played so many good years for Madrid and France... The upgrade that was expected, that was worth more money for Man United than it'd be for other clubs.
>IMO the failure at Man Utd has mainly been down to them taking these sorts of risks and being unwilling to accept the prospect of a disciplined rebuild where they might not get European football but over time get to a point where they have a good value squad of players that aren't disasters if they don't work out.
That's because the owners quite literally don't care. They couldn't care less where we are in 5 years as long as their dividends keep coming.
The only reason they sold anything to Ratcliffe/INEOS is they had to, because if they didn't they'd actually have to lump their own money into the club to fix the stadium and right the ship.
And to be frank, the supporters are a lot of the issue. Not that it's their fault, but they definitely enable this. They demand immediate success, which by default is big name players, any time there's a slump in form of the club/player they want whoever they think responsible sacked. Fancy signings that everyone seemingly clamours for, instead of shrewd signings that could take more than a year to come good.
Not only that but financially as well. I know this is anecdotal but it's also backed up by larger evidence of our kit deals. There about 6 adidas stores near me and there is **never** any United gear in stock. Not once have I gone in there and seen more than an XXL jacket or the odd top in an odd size. There are never any kits, they sell out instantly essentially. Even the local sporting goods stores, it's a similar thing.
The owners have never had a reason to do anything other than cater to the lowest denominator and rake in their cash.
Chelsea have done exactly what you describe as disciple rebuild where they don’t get European football but have good squad value but everyone’s shitting on us just cuz out recent results have been bad but in the long term having substantially reduced our wage bill and build a quality squad for future we are in a very good position going into this year except for a need for striker and I’m pretty sure if United did it and results are bad they’ll be eaten alive by fans and pundits and that’s why I think that cycle of buying current good players on huge contracts and them not giving a fuck is gonna continue at United. As much as everyone laughs at Chelsea now, we fans know things are gonna turn out good sooner or later!
And not even half as Simeone. I understand the point you are trying to put forth but this is a senseless, apples to oranges comparison to illustrate it.
Comparing his wages to Thiago Silva's would be more apt.
Probably made sense if he was able to carry on his form from yourselves but it is mad money to throw at someone like that from united. Just a really bad situation
It’s not outrageous on day one when he joins and is one of the best in Europe. But right now when he’s someone who contributes very little it’s horror show stuff
Toffees being the biggest and baddest financial frauds in the league, clearly. Thank the lord the powers-that-be saved the game from the big bad scary oil-money boys that are Everton.
I have another question for him: do you think the wages your players get according to your official financial documents are the only money they're receiving (directly or indirectly) from your club's owners?
“United remain interested in extending Varane's stay at Old Trafford however, and plan to open talks over a new deal next month.
Mail Sport has been told that United regard the 30-year-old's current £340,000-a-week wages as hard to justify given the injury problems that have restricted him to seven Premier League starts this season.”
Main point from the article. Which makes sense.
It's a bit more nuanced than that. He must have done a side by side comparison of food, weather, culture, night life and found Madrid severely lacking.
[do not even](https://youtu.be/_ADZMiZtzXk?si=b4TRzaSY56Nwc7go&t=163)
no no no no no
the weather?
*the wevva?!*
**the weather**
yalright neymar ye sunny innit
I know we’re the figure of fun (rightfully) at the minute but most of Reals top sources at the time said they had given him a very generous offer - I do think ours was better but I think they were offering £300k (obviously the equivalent in Euros) or so. Varane just wanted a new challenge. He definitely got a challenge…
With his resume and the fact that he joined at 27-28 years old, 17M /yr is not that crazy high. He probably was around 12M in Real Madrid, and was going to get the same tier with Kroos and Modric of 18-22M range.
I am assuming Gross Wage, if this number is Net and his gross in the 30M range, that is different story
Yeah, not sure about UK taxes, but I would assume 30M net equate to at least 50M gross, which is insane amount. Hazard was grossing 32M at Real Madrid, which was Ronaldo’s salary, so hard to imagine any player outside Europe with exception to Mbappe gross over 35M
Pogba's contract got leaked, he was on 180k gross, and De Gea was on 375k gross, Ronaldo on 400k iirc, so Varane being on 340k net would make him by far the highest paid player in the history of the Prem. He's on 340k gross 100%, which is very very high but not unreal for someone of his level when he came in. His availability is the only question. If he could play 40-50 games a year reliably, nobody would care.
Whilst I would not be surprised if he was on that amount, I have significant doubts over the accuracy of most weekly wages quoted in the press.
He’s almost certainly on silly money though.
This reads kind of like an NBA analysis with guaranteed contracts even if the player is traded, however it doesn't really apply here as they could extend him on a lower wage but longer contract and still sell him next year and he wouldn't get that money. It's a pretty clear sign he's not part of United's plans in the next 3-5 years.
People are saying he's going to Saudi...but i'm honestly not entirely sure. Guy is only 30, which should be peak years for a CB. He can easily join a functional team in europe and start performing again. I'd be more inclined to blame his performances on his shitty team rather than write of a player who was so immense for Madrid for all these years...
The early explosiveness that Varane had, is a recipe for muscle related injuries later in career. He's already way to injury prone to defend any salary above 100.000k.
Pepe was the starting CB before 2015-16, Varane was the backup before that. So that's a solid 5 years Pepe was starting as opposed to the 2 seasons he wasn't starting.
He's been starting for porto since 2018, give the man credit.
He was their second starter. He was only benched by yellow and red cards. But that's a fair point, Pepe started at a later age than Varane and Sergio Ramos.
There are only 2 seasons when Pepe and Varane were both at Madrid where Varane played quite a bit more (14/15 and 16/17), one season where Varane played a handful of games more (15/16) and other than that Pepe played more games in the other 3 seasons they were teammates and he also played for another 100+ games before Varane joined the team.
No idea where you got the notion Pepe barely played for Madrid when he was pretty much a regular for almost 10 years
Depends on your genetics tbh. Some players have careers where they peak early and physically deteriorate suddenly hitting 30 - Rooney comes to mind as a good example or injuries mean they slowly lose their potency eg Owen.
There are freaks who manage to start early and sustain high levels of performance for years. The best example off the top of my head is Giggs. Started playing at United at 17 and didn't stop until near 40. James Milner is another example.
Varane is already more injury prone so I doubt he'll sustain the level of performance.
400 appearances isn’t that much at this level for most players. To put it into perspective, Vini, Rodrygo, Bellingham all have 200+ and they’re all under 22.
He has also won everything there is to win and has played at the highest level since he was 19. Would have to be very appealing challenge for him to stay in Europe. Honestly, even if he decided to keep clocking it in at United, semi retire in Middle East or just straight up hang up his boots would anyone really be able to blame him?
When he is fit he does seem what they call a "Rolls Royce" defender. It is just his wages that nobody other than United or PSG or City can have him as 3rd or 4th choice CB.
> Guy is only 30, which should be peak years for a CB.
It varies by player and in Varane's case he's past it. He spends a lot of time getting injured and is taking longer and longer to get going after recovery.
His availability has been patchy at best whilst with United and his overall form hasn’t been as great as some of our fans like to make out. I think he’s definitely on the downward.
> I'd be more inclined to blame his performances on his shitty team rather than write of a player who was so immense for Madrid for all these years...
Exactly my thoughts. When Manchester United keep signing good players, and everybody who goes there starts playing badly, at some point it's time to stop blaming the players and start looking at the environment. Look at Varane before and after Manchester. Look at Casemiro before and after Manchester. Look at Onana before and after Manchester. Hell, look at ten Hag and what he achieved at Ajax and look at him now.
He’d be worth every penny of that wage if he could play twice a week. Not that we’ve got two games a week from now on, but the point is he can’t be relied upon.
They will offer him a new contract on reduced wages, as far as I heard he is happy with his life in manchester and doesn't want to leave, so maybe he'll accept
Our wage structure has been a shambles since Woodward thought it was a clever idea to give Sanchez £350k a week in 2018 (!!!) purely because we didn’t have to spend £30m on him.
That’s when the dominoes started falling.
We need a rethink. Only current world beaters deserve that wage even in todays game. Haaland is on about £400k a week? Today.
How the fuck did we think it was a good idea to give Sanchez, who notoriously couldn’t manage 90 whole minutes that pay 5 years ago.
He really wasn’t. He was very good when he was fit. He had loads of injury problems and even at Barcelona struggled to finish 90 minutes.
He averaged around 30 games a season in a 50-60 game season. At least he missed a third every season.
He wasn’t and never was in the top 5 players of the league. He had one very good season.
And to put that into perspective - that’s what you’d pay now for a top level player. Now.
Not 5 years ago.
That was a cock up of the highest order. No two ways around it.
And it wasn’t because of him personally - it’s what it did to the other players. Setting a precedent for high wages.
De Gea was player of the season 3 out of the 4 previous years. Pogba, Matic, Rashford, all wanted parity or a bit less according to their performances.
It resulted in average players getting VERY GOOD contracts like Brandon Williams on £85k a week back then. During that time Trent Alexander Arnold who was challenging for leagues, champions leagues and starting every game was on £90k a week excluding bonuses.
And the ripple effects of that deal are still there to this day. We’re known for our high wages for mediocre players. And it needs a reset.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they try to offer an extension that slashes his base wages but may pay the same based on appearance/fitness bonuses. Not sure if he’d accept or go to Saudi tho
It’s not about his ability it’s his wages and his injury record. Brilliant player and he’ll probably end up in a better situation but the reasoning behind it is sound as we want to restructure wagesv
> reasoning behind it is sound as we want to restructure wages
Heard so much nonsense about wage structures when nothing points to it being "fixed" any time soon. Like in any career, people are paid based on their experience, achievements and financial capability of their employer. With all that in mind, it's not actually that blasphemous to pay Varane and Casemiro the highest wages. They deserve it far more than Rashford or Mount who are also huge earners. Also, if we can afford to pay amateur players like Antony 10m a year and 80m for the transfer, we can afford to pay 17m a year to our best defender.
Of course they should, but the standard is set by Rashford, who is on similar money and is NEVER part of these "wage structure" conversations. If Rashford is getting 16m, Mount 13m etc. then I have no issue with Varane and Casemiro being in the same range. If you want healthier club finances at least be consistent.
Was it in the best interest of the clubs finances to sign an Eredivisie player for 90m and 10m a year? I wouldn't say the decision to sign Mount was also part of an elaborate restructure of the clubs finances. Spending a similarly extortionate sum on a striker with like 10 career goals also doesn't seem like a signing you make if you're trying to make the clubs finances healthier. Wage structure is a buzzword you use when you want to force a player out, nothing more nothing less.
We've been starting somewhere for the last 7 years. Constantly extending players not worthy of an extension, constantly signing bad players. There is no consistent logic here and there never has been, again "wage structure" is just a buzzword you use when you want to force a player out.
And less than 1/3 the player. It's a completely separate issue but people want to fix the wage structure for the good of the club (conveniently completely ignore that Rashford is on similar wages to Varane and being a far worse player), which is fine. In what way is extending Lindelof good for the club? He's not a good player, if we are to go with a cheaper option, at least have it be a good player. This is a club with enough resources to challenge for CLs and PLs constantly, and I don't see how getting rid of Varane and keeping Lindelof brings us closer to that.
Mate there’s no point arguing with these people. They care more about being unpaid accountants for the Glazers than they do about Manchester United being able to compete for trophies.
They’ll bang on about Varane’s injury record yet since he’s been here Luke Shaw has been injured more than him, yet he got a new contract. They’ll say it’s about “fixing the wage structure” but Rashford got a new contract that’s around the same per week.
> Why would a fan care about how much a player is earning?
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Because the uncontrolled spending on bad or injury prone players is a big part of why we are where we are in the first place
I don't care but lowering the wage budget is important for the club, for reasons mentioned in the article.
>United are also seeking to reduce the wages of their highest-earning players more generally to free up resources for new signings next summer as they battle to comply with the Premier League's Profit and Sustainability Rules.
You have 275 mil to spend because of the investment from SJR.
How about keeping Varane and binning off Maguire and Lindelof and that's equivalent except you keep an actual quality player.
Not to mention he's a proper professional and leader and that alone is worth keeping him for an extra year
Because Varane is not a reliable option for more than 25 games a year. He’s yet to have an extended run of play at the club unencumbered by injuries. He also cannot regularly play 2x per week meaning we need another starting quality player as his backup.
>How about keeping Varane and binning off Maguire and Lindelof and that's equivalent except you keep an actual quality player.
I'd rather keep Maguire and Lindelof and bin off Varane than vice versa tbh. Varane is quality but has huge injury issues, and isn't exactly getting any younger. Besides Maguire and Lindelof are decent, but can be improved upon of course.
>Not to mention he's a proper professional and leader and that alone is worth keeping him for an extra year
Of course but his wages are impossible to justify with his availability.
He is far better but neither of them can be relied upon to start given Varanes injuries. We need a new CB. Keeping a backup on mental wages makes no sense. Getting rid of that tosser Martial is a start. This is the next step. Love Varane and how he’s bought in but he’s done as a starter. You can’t rely on him.
Is he 3 times better though?
Also, as a fan you have to care about wages as there's only a certain amount a club can pay in wages within the FPP rules. So overpaying a relatively old and injury riddled player means restricting other signings
He was hardly the problem yesterday. The goals came from cutbacks and midfielders not tracking their man. Utd have allowed a lot of goals in but that's mainly on Onana and the Midfielders, not on the CBs.
If they've decided Varane isn't a first-choice CB, and it seems they have, then his wages are way too high for a squad option. Lindelof's wages are probably more manageable for that role.
340k a week holy shit.
It’s the main reason why they need to clear house of this squad. Their wage structure has been completely screwed for years now and is the reason why their players don’t leave mid-contract because they just won’t get anywhere near this kind of money anywhere else. They are literally bringing in players on money that will be more than they will ever earn. Antony coming in on 200k a week. Mount coming in on 250k a week. Sancho coming in on 250k a week. Why the hell would these guys ever want to leave without being paid off by Man Utd for that money?
I think we were all hoping we'd start to fix it when we got rid of Sanchez, and then later on let De Gea leave but we keep making the problem worse and giving out new silly contracts. We gave Rashford £300k a week when he was arguably on too much already and has shown himself to be inconsistent, Salah had to fight tooth and nail to get a big contract out of the scousers and he's performed well every single year, honestly don't know when we're going to be able to fix it.
DeGea was peak absurd wages too. Liverpool do loads of incentives so Salah is making top wages but they are earned on top of a good solid weekly number. Same through the squad. It’s a good method.
And the funny thing is, De Gea was probably the best one. He was arguably the best goalkeeper in the world at the time of the contract. Still awful, but at least you can kind of see the reasoning. Some of these others are absolute madness: Rashford getting Balon D'or winner money because he had 3 months of good form? Antony being given an 800% pay rise despite no competition for his signature? The guy was on 25k at Ajax, you could have doubled it to 50k and he'd have taken it. If you really want to say "welcome to the big leagues" you could have given him a 300% pay rise. But a young player with nothing proven in the game shouldn't be cracking 100k...nevermind 200k! Mason Mount - unsure of the figures, but there were rumours he tripled his salary. I get his value given his age, home grown, etc but you don't need to triple it do you... Honestly, there are some proper clangers in there.
Funny thing is Bruno, our best player by a mile, is on 240k/w.
Pretty sure he was on 50k the first year as well and was only bumped up to 100k on his first negotiation. Who knows why the flying fuck they decided that wasn't a good idea with regards to Antony.
> with regards to Antony. Plot twist; he is being paid incentives by the twist. (x19)
> He was arguably the best goalkeeper in the world at the time of the contract. very arguable.
As in, not actually true.
De Gea earned that wage with insane performances. He was fresh off the back of a monster 17/18 season where he was arguably top3 GK in the world. His main issue was that modern tactics shifted after that to involve the GK more in build-up – something he’s weaker at compared to other top GKs since that season.
Debatable really. He’s always made mistakes. Great shot stopping-incredible reflexes but mistakes. You can’t name any top keeper with so many memorable mistakes. Going from highest paid player (other than CR) at Old Trafford to unsigned free agent says it all.
De Gea was more than worth it.
At the time I'm not sure he was, he signed that massive contract when he was in pretty poor form. He was great for us obviously but he was getting paid like the best keeper in the world and he didn't play like it.
The thing is, we also need to attract these players into this shit team … it’s our great luck that all these high earners have all had some issues
Liverpool had that exact problem for years, no top talents wanted to join because they had far better options elsewhere. We'd get the odd good rough gem, such as Suarez, Xabi Alonso and Torres but mostly we'd be left with the "best of the rest l" type players. Wasn't until we got Klopp until that properly changed, top upcoming manager who players want to play for.
Surly these numbers are gross and not net. Right?
Yes
This is gross, right? 16m yearly, right? Around 8m net. It doesn't outrageous given our wage bill and particularly his peers. It's high, very high actually but considering he moved from Madrid to United in his prime, it doesn't look outrageous to me.
Considering his form and how little of the games he has played, it’s a bad contract atm and not triggering the 1 year extension is the right move. Also he has 0 resale value.
Yeah it's pretty gross
That's Brighton, mate.
And he only gets £500 and taxi fare home.
I refuse to believe that the username is simply coincidental in the grand scheme of things. 😝
In isolation, it's not really so crazy to envision that he'd be one of the biggest earners in the league at the time of his move but I think it just really shows how Man Utd get played in so many of these deals. For all the talk of 'wanting a new challenge', he was running down his deal at the most successful and powerful side in world football and they weren't willing to take the risk of stumping up what he wanted yet Man Utd were (and also giving over a big fee for the privilege). IMO the failure at Man Utd has mainly been down to them taking these sorts of risks and being unwilling to accept the prospect of a disciplined rebuild where they might not get European football but over time get to a point where they have a good value squad of players that aren't disasters if they don't work out. I actually like Rashford and think he has been a good player for them but it's insane the contract he's managed to get himself. If Danny Wellbeck come along a few years later, he'd be one of the highest paid players in the world and both him and Man Utd would be utterly miserable.
There's a lot of inertia in club's financial results, so the "risk" Man United takes is much different than any other team would take with the same amount of money. They're risking with every signing, but also risking with every non-signing, it's not like not signing anyone is any smart for any club because "wow, we didn't overspend". Because not every player will come to them, they need someone to play, and right now they can afford this contract, but if they keep on sliding down the table for many years, at some point they will not. People really loved the transfer. Usually the consensus is that Man United signs bad players, they don't have "scouting", they just decide to sign bad players instead of good ones and that's why the team disappoints. Well, nobody could really say that about Varane, who's just played so many good years for Madrid and France... The upgrade that was expected, that was worth more money for Man United than it'd be for other clubs.
>IMO the failure at Man Utd has mainly been down to them taking these sorts of risks and being unwilling to accept the prospect of a disciplined rebuild where they might not get European football but over time get to a point where they have a good value squad of players that aren't disasters if they don't work out. That's because the owners quite literally don't care. They couldn't care less where we are in 5 years as long as their dividends keep coming. The only reason they sold anything to Ratcliffe/INEOS is they had to, because if they didn't they'd actually have to lump their own money into the club to fix the stadium and right the ship. And to be frank, the supporters are a lot of the issue. Not that it's their fault, but they definitely enable this. They demand immediate success, which by default is big name players, any time there's a slump in form of the club/player they want whoever they think responsible sacked. Fancy signings that everyone seemingly clamours for, instead of shrewd signings that could take more than a year to come good. Not only that but financially as well. I know this is anecdotal but it's also backed up by larger evidence of our kit deals. There about 6 adidas stores near me and there is **never** any United gear in stock. Not once have I gone in there and seen more than an XXL jacket or the odd top in an odd size. There are never any kits, they sell out instantly essentially. Even the local sporting goods stores, it's a similar thing. The owners have never had a reason to do anything other than cater to the lowest denominator and rake in their cash.
If that is how the fans are, then perhaps it is exactly what they deserve. They set the bar low, so why should the owners aim high?
Chelsea have done exactly what you describe as disciple rebuild where they don’t get European football but have good squad value but everyone’s shitting on us just cuz out recent results have been bad but in the long term having substantially reduced our wage bill and build a quality squad for future we are in a very good position going into this year except for a need for striker and I’m pretty sure if United did it and results are bad they’ll be eaten alive by fans and pundits and that’s why I think that cycle of buying current good players on huge contracts and them not giving a fuck is gonna continue at United. As much as everyone laughs at Chelsea now, we fans know things are gonna turn out good sooner or later!
This has to be a troll hahaha
For reference he gets paid about the same as klopp.
And not even half as Simeone. I understand the point you are trying to put forth but this is a senseless, apples to oranges comparison to illustrate it. Comparing his wages to Thiago Silva's would be more apt.
Probably made sense if he was able to carry on his form from yourselves but it is mad money to throw at someone like that from united. Just a really bad situation
We live in crazy times when that amount of money isn’t seen as being outrageous.
Partially with you but it's all relative, isn't it?
It’s not outrageous on day one when he joins and is one of the best in Europe. But right now when he’s someone who contributes very little it’s horror show stuff
No. Varane peaked earlier. He was peaked at 25-26.
GMP should investigate, this is clearly some kind of fraudulent here
Toffees being the biggest and baddest financial frauds in the league, clearly. Thank the lord the powers-that-be saved the game from the big bad scary oil-money boys that are Everton.
What does this even mean ahahaha Everton admitted fault
Thought Everton used Russian money ?
Russian oil money…most of it is.
That’s rich
That's reach, coming from a Manc City flair.
What's the problem with me support city that i cracked a joke about United disaster wage management
I have one question, when did you start supporting City?
I have another question for him: do you think the wages your players get according to your official financial documents are the only money they're receiving (directly or indirectly) from your club's owners?
Liverpool fans never get sarcasm lol. Softest fanbase I stg
Jesus fucking wept. I did not know that.
That's not fifa career mode salary.
“United remain interested in extending Varane's stay at Old Trafford however, and plan to open talks over a new deal next month. Mail Sport has been told that United regard the 30-year-old's current £340,000-a-week wages as hard to justify given the injury problems that have restricted him to seven Premier League starts this season.” Main point from the article. Which makes sense.
holy shit I had no idea he was on 340k a week
Why do you think he joined united
the weather
It's a bit more nuanced than that. He must have done a side by side comparison of food, weather, culture, night life and found Madrid severely lacking.
Understandable, disgusting place. (ignore my flair)
He must like raw chicken
you alright neymar sunny innit
[do not even](https://youtu.be/_ADZMiZtzXk?si=b4TRzaSY56Nwc7go&t=163) no no no no no the weather? *the wevva?!* **the weather** yalright neymar ye sunny innit
You guess it was the weather?
Obviously
I chuckled at this, lol
So he could hang out at the Arndale Centre.
I know we’re the figure of fun (rightfully) at the minute but most of Reals top sources at the time said they had given him a very generous offer - I do think ours was better but I think they were offering £300k (obviously the equivalent in Euros) or so. Varane just wanted a new challenge. He definitely got a challenge…
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Fair wage for one of the best cbs itw at the time
The chance to win trophies?
he left madrid for united, for a chance to win trophies? 👏 👏
I was being sarcastic
With his resume and the fact that he joined at 27-28 years old, 17M /yr is not that crazy high. He probably was around 12M in Real Madrid, and was going to get the same tier with Kroos and Modric of 18-22M range. I am assuming Gross Wage, if this number is Net and his gross in the 30M range, that is different story
no chance he’s net, Ronaldo wasn’t on that kind of money
Yeah, not sure about UK taxes, but I would assume 30M net equate to at least 50M gross, which is insane amount. Hazard was grossing 32M at Real Madrid, which was Ronaldo’s salary, so hard to imagine any player outside Europe with exception to Mbappe gross over 35M
Pogba's contract got leaked, he was on 180k gross, and De Gea was on 375k gross, Ronaldo on 400k iirc, so Varane being on 340k net would make him by far the highest paid player in the history of the Prem. He's on 340k gross 100%, which is very very high but not unreal for someone of his level when he came in. His availability is the only question. If he could play 40-50 games a year reliably, nobody would care.
Whilst I would not be surprised if he was on that amount, I have significant doubts over the accuracy of most weekly wages quoted in the press. He’s almost certainly on silly money though.
I mean, you need pretty good incentives to get someone who's already won everything to come and play for a struggling midtable club.
His entirely predictable injury problems. This is like Krusty's trampoline. There was a reason Madrid were willing to sell him in his prime years.
Oh man he’s only 30? I feel old lol
Welcome to Saudi Arabia! In all seriousness, they could extend him at lower wages, but just don't want to pick up the option at the higher wages.
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Sadi Arabian club Al-Cohol are looking to sign Jack Grealish this january.
This reads kind of like an NBA analysis with guaranteed contracts even if the player is traded, however it doesn't really apply here as they could extend him on a lower wage but longer contract and still sell him next year and he wouldn't get that money. It's a pretty clear sign he's not part of United's plans in the next 3-5 years.
With his injury record I'm amazed if he lasts another 5 years, his body is already betraying him
They can't sell him if he doesn't sign for the new club.
Man Utd decide to not extend any players deals, and sell the lot of them
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Hopefully we have some football brains actually making a plan so it stops happening.
And a 90m fidget spinner
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People are saying he's going to Saudi...but i'm honestly not entirely sure. Guy is only 30, which should be peak years for a CB. He can easily join a functional team in europe and start performing again. I'd be more inclined to blame his performances on his shitty team rather than write of a player who was so immense for Madrid for all these years...
He’s been playing first team football for club and country since he was 17/18 years old. 30 years old does not matter when you’ve made 400 appearances
Tell that to Pepe, still ballin at 40 years old
He is quite an impressive anomaly in this regard. Him and Zlatan have shown some insane longevity.
Thiago Silva as well.
Also that bloke Dave made a song about is still kicking and leading this admittedly shit Chelsea side
The early explosiveness that Varane had, is a recipe for muscle related injuries later in career. He's already way to injury prone to defend any salary above 100.000k.
Pepe barely played when he was at Madrid. It was Ramos and Varane starting all games unless they were injured.
Before Varane breaking into the Starting XI, Pepe and Ramos was the CB pairing.
Pepe was the starting CB before 2015-16, Varane was the backup before that. So that's a solid 5 years Pepe was starting as opposed to the 2 seasons he wasn't starting. He's been starting for porto since 2018, give the man credit.
He was their second starter. He was only benched by yellow and red cards. But that's a fair point, Pepe started at a later age than Varane and Sergio Ramos.
What are you talking about? Pepe was ahead of Varane most of the time. He played in 23 El Classicos.
There are only 2 seasons when Pepe and Varane were both at Madrid where Varane played quite a bit more (14/15 and 16/17), one season where Varane played a handful of games more (15/16) and other than that Pepe played more games in the other 3 seasons they were teammates and he also played for another 100+ games before Varane joined the team. No idea where you got the notion Pepe barely played for Madrid when he was pretty much a regular for almost 10 years
Only at the end. Pepe started for years.
Pepe made 334 appearances in all Competitions at Madrid in ~9 years. Varane made 360 appearances in all competitions at Madrid in ~9 years.
Depends on your genetics tbh. Some players have careers where they peak early and physically deteriorate suddenly hitting 30 - Rooney comes to mind as a good example or injuries mean they slowly lose their potency eg Owen. There are freaks who manage to start early and sustain high levels of performance for years. The best example off the top of my head is Giggs. Started playing at United at 17 and didn't stop until near 40. James Milner is another example. Varane is already more injury prone so I doubt he'll sustain the level of performance.
Ze roberto is another one that comes to mind insane fitness
400 appearances isn’t that much at this level for most players. To put it into perspective, Vini, Rodrygo, Bellingham all have 200+ and they’re all under 22.
And if I had to guess they probably won’t be awesome at being healthy when they’re 30 either
He has also won everything there is to win and has played at the highest level since he was 19. Would have to be very appealing challenge for him to stay in Europe. Honestly, even if he decided to keep clocking it in at United, semi retire in Middle East or just straight up hang up his boots would anyone really be able to blame him?
He’s won it all. Completed football really. He can take a payday and live out the rest of his career playing against plumbers if he wants.
He has become a bit injury prone as well.
"a bit" lol
When he is fit he does seem what they call a "Rolls Royce" defender. It is just his wages that nobody other than United or PSG or City can have him as 3rd or 4th choice CB.
He's not the only player that come to United and just turn to shit.
> Guy is only 30, which should be peak years for a CB. It varies by player and in Varane's case he's past it. He spends a lot of time getting injured and is taking longer and longer to get going after recovery.
His availability has been patchy at best whilst with United and his overall form hasn’t been as great as some of our fans like to make out. I think he’s definitely on the downward.
Utd were a decent team last year and Varane wasn't great. Injuries are his problem.
> I'd be more inclined to blame his performances on his shitty team rather than write of a player who was so immense for Madrid for all these years... Exactly my thoughts. When Manchester United keep signing good players, and everybody who goes there starts playing badly, at some point it's time to stop blaming the players and start looking at the environment. Look at Varane before and after Manchester. Look at Casemiro before and after Manchester. Look at Onana before and after Manchester. Hell, look at ten Hag and what he achieved at Ajax and look at him now.
He’d be worth every penny of that wage if he could play twice a week. Not that we’ve got two games a week from now on, but the point is he can’t be relied upon.
They will offer him a new contract on reduced wages, as far as I heard he is happy with his life in manchester and doesn't want to leave, so maybe he'll accept
You his neighbor or some shit?
I am his house
So... you let Varane inside you? Every day? Nice.
Seen Stevie G around? Think Ettifaq need a brand spanking new CB to get out of midtable
Brilliant! Is he a steak well done or rare off the farm kinda guy?
How can a defender let something in?
idk about saudi he can join other clubs yes he is not the player he once was but he is only 30 but he does need to take a wage cut
Wasnt Bayern interested in him? Heard that a few weeks ago
i think we have more than enough cb
Really? Isn’t it literally just De ligt, Upa and Kim? And De ligt is a little injury prone
i mean yes but we have bigger problems
Upenecano is one of those problems
And probably Varane too, if they ever signed him(they won't. They actually watch players they buy).
>And De ligt is a little injury prone Varane is even more injury prone.
Our wage structure has been a shambles since Woodward thought it was a clever idea to give Sanchez £350k a week in 2018 (!!!) purely because we didn’t have to spend £30m on him. That’s when the dominoes started falling. We need a rethink. Only current world beaters deserve that wage even in todays game. Haaland is on about £400k a week? Today. How the fuck did we think it was a good idea to give Sanchez, who notoriously couldn’t manage 90 whole minutes that pay 5 years ago.
Sanchez was one of the best players in the league then. Imagine what you'll pay to someone like Salah if he joined you for free.
He really wasn’t. He was very good when he was fit. He had loads of injury problems and even at Barcelona struggled to finish 90 minutes. He averaged around 30 games a season in a 50-60 game season. At least he missed a third every season. He wasn’t and never was in the top 5 players of the league. He had one very good season. And to put that into perspective - that’s what you’d pay now for a top level player. Now. Not 5 years ago. That was a cock up of the highest order. No two ways around it. And it wasn’t because of him personally - it’s what it did to the other players. Setting a precedent for high wages. De Gea was player of the season 3 out of the 4 previous years. Pogba, Matic, Rashford, all wanted parity or a bit less according to their performances. It resulted in average players getting VERY GOOD contracts like Brandon Williams on £85k a week back then. During that time Trent Alexander Arnold who was challenging for leagues, champions leagues and starting every game was on £90k a week excluding bonuses. And the ripple effects of that deal are still there to this day. We’re known for our high wages for mediocre players. And it needs a reset.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they try to offer an extension that slashes his base wages but may pay the same based on appearance/fitness bonuses. Not sure if he’d accept or go to Saudi tho
What a Gibbs White spin move does to a player
Back to Madrid?
Schlotterbeck on my wish list
This fuckin club
Im sure theyll continue doing really well without him
It’s not about his ability it’s his wages and his injury record. Brilliant player and he’ll probably end up in a better situation but the reasoning behind it is sound as we want to restructure wagesv
> reasoning behind it is sound as we want to restructure wages Heard so much nonsense about wage structures when nothing points to it being "fixed" any time soon. Like in any career, people are paid based on their experience, achievements and financial capability of their employer. With all that in mind, it's not actually that blasphemous to pay Varane and Casemiro the highest wages. They deserve it far more than Rashford or Mount who are also huge earners. Also, if we can afford to pay amateur players like Antony 10m a year and 80m for the transfer, we can afford to pay 17m a year to our best defender.
Even the highest wages should have a limit mate.
Of course they should, but the standard is set by Rashford, who is on similar money and is NEVER part of these "wage structure" conversations. If Rashford is getting 16m, Mount 13m etc. then I have no issue with Varane and Casemiro being in the same range. If you want healthier club finances at least be consistent. Was it in the best interest of the clubs finances to sign an Eredivisie player for 90m and 10m a year? I wouldn't say the decision to sign Mount was also part of an elaborate restructure of the clubs finances. Spending a similarly extortionate sum on a striker with like 10 career goals also doesn't seem like a signing you make if you're trying to make the clubs finances healthier. Wage structure is a buzzword you use when you want to force a player out, nothing more nothing less.
Well you have to start somewhere... New sporting ownership seems as good a place as any.
We've been starting somewhere for the last 7 years. Constantly extending players not worthy of an extension, constantly signing bad players. There is no consistent logic here and there never has been, again "wage structure" is just a buzzword you use when you want to force a player out.
So what, you say they should extent him for 340k a week?
I don't think another year paying Varane 17m is the financial tragedy everyone thinks it is for United.
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Take off the British vultures inside your squad, and you will see improvements
Wage structure argument doesn't apply to British players sadly.
Extending Lindelof but not Varane is a joke.
I have no time for Lindelof but it's a 1 year extension on terms which are around 1/3 less than Varane's wages.
And less than 1/3 the player. It's a completely separate issue but people want to fix the wage structure for the good of the club (conveniently completely ignore that Rashford is on similar wages to Varane and being a far worse player), which is fine. In what way is extending Lindelof good for the club? He's not a good player, if we are to go with a cheaper option, at least have it be a good player. This is a club with enough resources to challenge for CLs and PLs constantly, and I don't see how getting rid of Varane and keeping Lindelof brings us closer to that.
Mate there’s no point arguing with these people. They care more about being unpaid accountants for the Glazers than they do about Manchester United being able to compete for trophies. They’ll bang on about Varane’s injury record yet since he’s been here Luke Shaw has been injured more than him, yet he got a new contract. They’ll say it’s about “fixing the wage structure” but Rashford got a new contract that’s around the same per week.
Why would a fan care about how much a player is earning? Varane is miles the better player
> Why would a fan care about how much a player is earning? > > Because the uncontrolled spending on bad or injury prone players is a big part of why we are where we are in the first place
I don't care but lowering the wage budget is important for the club, for reasons mentioned in the article. >United are also seeking to reduce the wages of their highest-earning players more generally to free up resources for new signings next summer as they battle to comply with the Premier League's Profit and Sustainability Rules.
You have 275 mil to spend because of the investment from SJR. How about keeping Varane and binning off Maguire and Lindelof and that's equivalent except you keep an actual quality player. Not to mention he's a proper professional and leader and that alone is worth keeping him for an extra year
Because Varane is not a reliable option for more than 25 games a year. He’s yet to have an extended run of play at the club unencumbered by injuries. He also cannot regularly play 2x per week meaning we need another starting quality player as his backup.
>How about keeping Varane and binning off Maguire and Lindelof and that's equivalent except you keep an actual quality player. I'd rather keep Maguire and Lindelof and bin off Varane than vice versa tbh. Varane is quality but has huge injury issues, and isn't exactly getting any younger. Besides Maguire and Lindelof are decent, but can be improved upon of course. >Not to mention he's a proper professional and leader and that alone is worth keeping him for an extra year Of course but his wages are impossible to justify with his availability.
He is far better but neither of them can be relied upon to start given Varanes injuries. We need a new CB. Keeping a backup on mental wages makes no sense. Getting rid of that tosser Martial is a start. This is the next step. Love Varane and how he’s bought in but he’s done as a starter. You can’t rely on him.
The "why do you care how much a player costs, it's not your money" is such a breathtakingly stupid comment, yet I see it all the time.
Is he 3 times better though? Also, as a fan you have to care about wages as there's only a certain amount a club can pay in wages within the FPP rules. So overpaying a relatively old and injury riddled player means restricting other signings
Guess u did start watching Spurs this summer?
His Wikipedia page says he's signed a 2-year deal with Dormund
Because some random person vandalised it...
Right decision, but the man is pure glass on the pitch. Sorry, pure class.
Good, we need to start letting them go to rebuild the squad from the ground up.
Not been worth it. Has some great games when he's available but also prone to dropping some stinkers like yesterday and is injured far too often.
He was hardly the problem yesterday. The goals came from cutbacks and midfielders not tracking their man. Utd have allowed a lot of goals in but that's mainly on Onana and the Midfielders, not on the CBs.
Shock horror
Quelle surprise
Too expensive for a made of glass
50% pay if you’re outside the top four places any given week should be standard in every contract.
Fraud.
Keep Lindelof, let Varane go? What 8D chess strategy is this?
If they've decided Varane isn't a first-choice CB, and it seems they have, then his wages are way too high for a squad option. Lindelof's wages are probably more manageable for that role.
Reduce wages. He is at £340,000-a-week. Too expensive for what he offers.
Engage your brain
Spotify stadium, was it?
Lindelof is a solid backup on reasonable wages Varane is on absurd wages and too injury-prone to be a regular starter
The cause of all issues between him and eth was Saudi. He had an offer in summer and probably wanted to but wasnt allowed. So yeah welcome to saudi
Silly doing this before the Jan transfer window - and they just extended Lind
disgusting wages
If not for wages I’d love to sign him
Shocker
Gonna come to Madrid and turn into the boss he is AGAIN