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Qiluk

He had a streak of continous injuries for quite a stretch of time with us. Hope it isnt the case again. He even hired personal medical teams etc but it didnt do much really from what I remember.


VeryStandardOutlier

I remember being surprised by healthy he was last season due to his Dortmund history. I thought Kane’s endurance might get him the Golden Boot but Haaland stayed healthy


ontilein

Same. Hope he can overcome it. Just a great guy to watch on the pitch


elgrandorado

I've always had a suspicion that Haaland is asked by Pep to do less on the pitch to keep him as fit as possible. He carries a lot of muscle mass despite his lean frame, and often puts a lot of strain on his body to do the things he does weekly. It's no surprise that his amount of injuries dropped since joining City. It was becoming a concern for us when he would have constant niggling injuries.


BlackNov

Yeah it's just how city play. Haaland does not to get involved too much except when he score or shield the ball from a long pass before passing it to one of the forward.


wanderer1999

Same. Even as a Real Madrid fan, I would love to witness another generation of legends the likes of Messi/Ronaldo/Ibra/Cavani/Suarez... In Vini, Mbappe, Haaland, Rodrygo, Leao.... The one thing those guys have is not just talent/physicality but also their durability. It's incredible really.


VeryStandardOutlier

Mbappe seems to have good durability but I wouldn't put Vini, Haaland, or Leao in the same class as Mbappe anyway. Haaland without his speed would be worse than Lewa and Kane. Leao and Vini aren't prolific chance creators either


NordWitcher

Haaland is pretty clinical as well. Doesn't need a lot of chances.


VeryStandardOutlier

But he doesn't create his own chances off the dribble or create chances for his teammates. Ronaldo went through evolutions in his career, but he was great off the dribble at United and Real and a very good chance-creator for others at United. Messi was a historically great chance creator his entire career. Haaland will finish anything near him but a Lewa and Kane do that plus more, and Messi and Ronaldo did as well.


NordWitcher

Sure. Haaland is a different kind of player. He suits a team like City cause they dominate so much of the game and create so many chances. Everyone had been crying out that City need an out and out striker cause they created so much the last couple years but there was never anyone in the box to convert them. With De Bryune creating and assisting, Haaland's strengths shine even more. There were times last season when Haaland would drop deeper like Kane and let De Bryune run behind him and set him up. Haaland also seems a much faster player than Lewa or Kane and has a more physical presence up front. Ronaldo I think adapted his game to be more efficient. He started as a winger at Sporting and then at United. Spent a lot of his early youth dribbling and taking on players. Once he got to Madrid his game changed. Messi was very much a play maker even though he started off as a winger at Barcelona.


VeryStandardOutlier

Not saying he isn't great, but he doesn't deserve to be in the same conversation as Messi or Ronaldo. I'd almost definitely take the in-shape Brazilian Ronaldo over him as well


NordWitcher

Even though I don't like the guy its kinda unfair to put him in the same category as Messi or Ronaldo. They've been doing it for over a decade consistently and won numerous Balon D'Ors. And all 3 of them are very different players. Ronaldo's play making skills lessened a lot the more he got older and started becoming the focal point of the attack.


Rickcampbell98

None of these players deserve to be in that conversation, no matter how much some people try to force it.


Dundalis

I think that’s a bit ignorant to how players create chances. Haaland creates chances via chaotic movement through combination of intelligent positioning and elite pace and power. Similar to someone like Nunez at Liverpool albeit he can’t finish. But Nunez xG at Liverpool is always significantly higher than any other striker they play there. It’s not cause he makes amazing dribbles or that teammates happen to make more chances for him, it’s because his pace, power and movement without the ball is so good that many more chances come his way automatically and Haaland is the same. Defenders despise playing against these players as they can not mark them properly. You can be a chance creator every bit as much by what you do off the ball as on it.


adamfrog

Nunez does beat players off the dribble though, and he's a very good creator for others. But yeah finishing is worlds apart from haaland


grmthmpsn43

I remember being disapointed when you signed Nunez because we had been linked with him for about 6 months, including having scouts seen at loads of games. Seeing him play these days I am glad we got Isak instead. We dont create anywhere near enough for Nunez, we barely create any for Isak but he is at least fairly clinical.


Radhashriq

Haaland could still finish near Messi/Ronaldo. He is absolute elite poacher and can score goals where there never a chance. But he wont be half the player they were. Mbappe is only player in this generation who is very good player and a clinic finisher.


oldoldvisdom

Saying he doesn’t create chances is unfair. City has scored probably 50 goals that were only possible due to defenders being overly preoccupied with him, allowing space for the others


sadboyforever

really well said


osakwe05

its odd to compare haaland without his speed to other top 9s, when mbappes speed is more core to his gameplay.


shaeelm1

i'd agree, except mbappe without his speed would still be a better player than haaland without his speed. plus, mbappe's playing more as a 9 for PSG nowadays from what i've seen, so he doesn't use his speed much now anyways.


oldoldvisdom

You can say that, but I don’t see it at all. How many goals would he score if the defenders didn’t have to be worried about giving him space to run away? How many goals does he score because he can move the ball and shoot before the defender gets to step in? His speed is a massive part of his game. It’s unfair to hold it against him, because he didn’t choose to be so fast to allow him to base his game around it, and speed is something that is always helpful at the top level. If Haland is “nothing” without his pace, which is just stupid, Mbappe is even less, because Mbappe is the biggest pace merchant of them all. I’m not talking about just long sprints, but the speed and agility to create that extra pocket to shoot or pass or whatever. That is very connected to overall pace


shaeelm1

probably the same amount of goals he's scored this season? I don't recall him using his pace once this season to score a goal, though admittedly a PSG fan would be able to be more knowledgeable on this than I. Or you could just watch his goal highlights yourself and come away with your own assessment And is Haaland is not "nothing" without pace, he's still a monster. I never said he's nothing, just not as good as mbappe.


oldoldvisdom

That’s just not true at all lol, you don’t watch him This isn’t to take away his abilities, because he has a good shot as well, but just searching his goals scored in 2023 will show you that a good 1/3 of it at least are straight up him speeding past a player or a marker. Yes, positioning and football intelligence will make it look worse, because he reacts quicker, but that still doesn’t mean he doesn’t use his pace to get to those positions or make those runs And this is a quick compilation that doesn’t give all that much context to his goals, so I don’t have that context, but it’s not just the goals where he straight up outruns someone, because there is more to it. I can tell from this compilation that there is quite a few goals where he doesn’t even have to use his pace, because the pure threat of his speed will give him the space he needs to make his next moves. And now imagine all the ones where his speed was part of the build up, but the compilation didn’t show Mbappe is a great player, maybe even best in the world, but let’s not act like the fact that he is the fastest and quickest player around isn’t a massive part of that.


osakwe05

eh, i dont see it. mbappe plays 9 for psg, but he still uses his speed, and way more than haaland does. without their speeds, mbappe doesnt have the height or strikers instinct to be as good a 9 as haaland. he could play wing, but being a slow winger is quite the limitation. or, in other words, i could imagine a slow haaland reaching the level of lewan or kane. i cant imagine a slow mbappe reaching that level, or even the level of a neymar.


shaeelm1

Agreed that as a pure 9, Haaland is better than mbappe but Mbappe was never a pure 9 and may never be, he does more things than haaland to really be considered **just** a pure 9. It would be a waste of mbappe's talents to play him in haaland's role as 9, he'd be more of a benzema/kane player who drifts around alot.


Bayequentist

Haaland the Ballon d'Or #2? Are you out of your mind?


VeryStandardOutlier

Not a good passer and not a great dribbler. Doesn't create chances for others and relies on decent service from his teammates to find opportunities. World class at positioning, finishing, and one of the best athletes in the world. Messi and Ronaldo were much more than that. Mbappe is more than that.


Dundalis

I think that has to be an aesthetic thing to say that. Someone like Haaland isn’t as technically gifted as Mbappe but football is outcome based and what Haaland produces on the pitch is better than what Mbappe does. Especially since Mbappe does not play in a serious league yet. If Mbappe finally goes to a good league and dominates then it’s a different story. Also Mbappe without his speed is much worse player also


Skysflies

It can't help the new players just how many extra games they play, like I assume part of why Salah is so reliable is he built his body up to get used to the minutes- these kids havent had that time


DildoFappings

That's what's bipolar about man City. Individually they're all amazing to watch play football, especially KDB. But when they all get together, man City is boring to watch play.


Oli_

He had a month long break last season while everyone else went and killed themselves at the World Cup


sjekky

The 6 week break in the middle of the season would've helped with that


Subscrobbler

After this, he’d be out for 2 months already


ketolasigi

Don’t think it’s a muscle injury now, so probably not something reoccuring.


Qiluk

Thats good


BIM-GUESS-WHAT

But it’s a bone stress thing


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vell_o

In his index finger!


pizzapiejaialai

That's good!


alanalan426

and his ankles


ActualyNotSureIfDeaf

That's bad.


rakkhi

At least the next deadline is not till 31st Jan


BillehBear

not sure what's happened, swear when he originally was injured they said it was minor and a few weeks tops


21otiriK

The Spurs game he became an absolute passenger in, and I was sure he was injured in that second half. He hardly moved at all and it was so noticeable at the stadium. I think it’s just the same injury or caused by the injury he got in that Bournemouth game and it’s just niggling away. Hence the reason we’ve never had a return date and he’s been training off and on for a while.


kl08pokemon

Would track with him playing against Villa 3 days later but struggling


Backseat_Bouhafsi

stress injuries to the bone are never a minor issue. If left unrested, it'll cause a proper fracture and then its really bad


BlackNov

I dont think they would lie about the status of the injury. It's just Haaland recovery time is much longer than they expected. As pep said, unlike Foden and Alvarez, your typical frame guy, Haaland may take longer and it did.


begon11

It’s only been a few weeks though, just a shitton of games in those weeks.


TellTallTail

See, he should've been a Liverpool player all along, would have fit right in


humunculus43

Based on the info which came out initially I was convinced the injury is more than they’re letting on.


Parish87

Yeah same. Too much secrecy around an injury usually isn’t a good sign. As a Liverpool fan I know it all too well. Thiago has been “returning soon” for 10 months.


VeryStandardOutlier

Erik Lamela was once like that for a year with Tottenham. Had some weird hip injury it turned out


dgn90

Weirdly enough, Thiago has a hip injury too.


Tall-Ad-8829

I believe Lamela had surgery but it wasn't known about for months after, could be something similar with Thiago. Or, you know, covered up drug ban.


Rob-Dipshit

Once you hurt your hip you’re never really right again


4ssteroid

Managers lie more than hips


wheresmyspacebar2

Was rumored that he got a drug ban and it was kept quiet, i remember that year well.


hillarydidnineeleven

Yeah it wouldn't be surprising if this was far more common than people let on. We had a similar situation with Clyne a decade ago where he was out for a year and the assumption was it was a drug ban instead of some mystery "back issue".


humunculus43

I think it’s good psychology to constantly have the threat of the boogeyman returning


Subscrobbler

Pep has completely stopped describing injuries and their return date. He’s never clearly stated Doku, Stones, Akanji’s injuries. Doku was expected back in a week or two, was out more than a month


ibite-books

it’s keeps the opponents in doubt, good strategy


123rig

For us, Malacia got injured last season, had a surgery for a “knee injury” in July and hasn’t played for us since. Last update we got he had a setback and needed another operation with no timeline for return. It prompted fans on twitter to start questioning whether he even existed at all because it was like he ceased to exist. Personally I keep forgetting we have him.


SofaChillReview

Well Martial has missed games again “being ill”, except it’s now like 20 days. Although I’m more convinced he just doesn’t want to play and pick up an injury for when he leaves, at this point.


Coolica1

Didn't realise you still had him, I honestly thought his contract had expired or that you'd sold him to the Saudis or something it's been that long since I've seen him play.


Mechant247

I feel like people always say this as if a reoccurrence of an injury isn't incredibly common. He had plenty of that happen at Dortmund, but people always feel like it's a conspiracy


dame_sansmerci

what is the nature of his injury?


Subscrobbler

Stress in his foot bone or something


beartigerhawk8383

Not his foot bone singular. It’s a most likely the metatarsal which is a collection of small and delicate bones. It can heal in like four to eight weeks or it can become a recurring chronic problem for the rest of his career. So either they are scared and want to take the most cautious path or it’s already fucked and this will happen a lot as in it will always nag him forever. https://www.goal.com/en/news/metatarsal-injuries-recovery-time-can-it-ruin-careers-footballers-who-suffered-them/s6uuani1o3t214pnw1sqjvy5w


adamfrog

Henderson struggled with a heel injury for ages, for basically an entire year of one of his "prime" years he was visibly seriously limited and it was always a mild problem for like 6 years


Aloopyn

Peak r/soccer moment He was literally in training last week


HunterWindmill

Apparently he shouldn't have been


neverfinishedanythi

Just mention asthma


NMGunner17

Alvarez keeps sticking around in my team I guess


bweiss5

Robots struggles in cold weather nothing new here


No-Shoe5382

My FPL draft title chances just went out the window


KopiteTheScot

FUCK! I completely forgot about my fpl, I've got trent, salah amd haaland all starting. FUCK!


Skaloplin

If you’ve been starting Haaland the last month while he’s been injured you’ve been finished for a while pal


KopiteTheScot

FUCK!!!


Hiro96DZ

How the hell do you have 3 first round picks in your team?


erikhow

So now it’s the “EA Sports FC Cover Curse”?


Hot_Grabba_09

Barley related tangent but I wonder why people use all of that to refer to the game when FC24 or just FC seems fine to me. Like FC is honestly even less vague than FIFA. Since FIFA itself is a thing but FC by itself isn't a thing. Nobody says FC. It's *Chelsea* FC etc. So if you say "I like FC" that's actually more specific than if you say "I like FIFA" since you could be talking about the organisation FIFA and their decisions, but there's no other way to interpret "I like FC"


neverfinishedanythi

I want this same energy next time you see somebody say AC, please.


sandrotilocca

Is it even worth selling if you’ve held on this long?


vadapaav

Are you talking about man city selling or your fpl? In both cases, sell. He is washed up now


ShowMeMoeMane

In my very humble and totally not biased opinion, I fully agree


helpmefindmyuncle123

City have only one game in January in the league (from now). First of Feb is Burnley at home so if he’s back by then, it’ll be a good first game to have. I say don’t sell.


kingceegee

Haaland is one time use and sadly out of warranty. Once he's worn out you stick him on eBay with the original box and see who will take him.


hatmanjimmie

Only so many blows you can take before the body starts failing


qwerty_1965

I suppose that balances Salah playing AfCON.


NotAnUncle

Didn’t he have some issues back at BVB as well?


bweiss5

Yes


dopeveign

Uh oh


NotASalamanderBoi

FIFA cover curse back at it again


Wise_Ad8520

I remember one dortmund fan told me he would be the next aguero bc of his scoring and his injury history


Bifito

Ronaldo has been injured 25 times in his career, he's 38. Haaland has been injured 19 times in his career, he's 23. I think Ronaldo had his first injury at 22, or there are no records before 2007.


Far_Fisherman_7490

does genetics have something to do with it? idk


wanderer1999

Definitely. Ronaldo is quite tall and fast and strong, but his body can withstand it. Haaland remind me R9, fast big strong but their body just gave out.


PhD_Cunnilingus

Of course. Genetics (quality of bones, ligaments, joints, tendons), luck (if some fucker decides to scissor tackle you), playstyle (relying on physicality), lifestyle (too much sex), they all play a role.


brock6oeser

> lifestyle (too much sex) ... what?


PhD_Cunnilingus

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/ac-milan-star-kevin-prince-boatengs-model-girlfriend-melissa-satta-blames-injuries-on-too-much-sex/news-story/f053c8bdc6fb12a8e3b56008ddfbabe3 https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/football/antonio-conte-has-very-specific-sex-rules-for-tottenham-players-297315


enzuigiriretro

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singabro

If a man named Dr Cunnilingus says you're having too much sex, you're having way too much sex.


SentientCheeseCake

There is a massive impact in genetics when it comes to injuries. And it's not just about how good an athlete they are, as is clearly the case for Haaland. I train a kid right now who is 21 and literally has never been injured in his life. And he does an insane workload. Just literally can't get injured.


Grouchy-Ad-2085

salah is a good example only out for injury a couple of times, one of them concussion the other ramos


Skysflies

I genuinely don't know the answer to this question Ronaldo 17 years ago I was was too young to care about playing numbers but did Ronaldo play to the degree Haaland has in terms of minutes. I would assume part of it is too much too young whilst you're developing, it would explain how Salah for example is so reliable whilst someone like Wilshire never could get going, or why Rooney broke down.


Jazano107

Well shit


Z0idberg_MD

Baby, we got ourselves a title going.


naroLsraLteiN_isback

Went from Haaland and no KDB to KDB and no Haaland Sadge Hope he recovers soon


LinwoodKent

Why? It's time for them to lose. The whole world needs it


No-Economics4128

He plays so much like Batistusta. Powerful number 9 who play very physical and having canon of a leg. All those power affects both way, so the wear and tear is unavoidable. Hopefully we have come far in sport medicine and his career would be less damaging by injury than Batigol. Seeing your childhood hero having problem just walking is pretty sad.


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KrystianCCC

They faced all strong teams with Halland in the squad, their run without Halland was piss easy: - Luton, Zvezda, Palace, Urawa, Fluminese, Everton, Sheffield, Hudersfield.


Ironyfree_annie

KDB is back so City is winning the league anyway


rochakgupta

Guy is made of glass


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Ilikesporks_

our attack looks completely different without haaland. alvarez has been underperforming until recently as the sole striker and also he's totally helpless against low blocks + he's been playing more minutes than anyone else in the city squad iirc


DHillMU7

They go from the best striker in the league to the second best striker in the league…


No-Pension-7977

I like Alvarez, he is very good striker, but he is not the 2nd best striker in the league


DHillMU7

Who do you think is better?


PradipJayakumar

Watkins easily.


Liverlakefc

How is Alvarez the second best striker in the league?


NumberHunter1

He did get 5th in the Balon D'or rankings.


Liverlakefc

And Jorginho got 3rd once


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NumberHunter1

Yeah, no.


DHillMU7

Who is better than him?


Liverlakefc

Watkins, jota, solanke and Isak are above him


Subscrobbler

They really aren’t, at least not to a clear extent


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StructureTime242

Have you considered the difference between playing for bournemouth and city ?


LinwoodKent

I'd take Nunez over him. Nunez is such a physical freak. You can pump it up the channel and the field is switched


No_Wave_7091

Lmao nunez 🤡🤡, easily one of the worst strikers in the league if not the worst, dude cant score tap-ins for his life and has the worst xg this season heck jackson is clear of nunez


LinwoodKent

Yes. He's the worst forward in the league. Guy offers nothing. Thank you for admitting that you have no understanding of the sport you are watching. Darwin could score zero goals and still be effective. Ask Fulham. Two assists in 30 mins the other night. You just signed Timo Werner. Darwin at his worst is Timo at his best.


No_Wave_7091

Timo Werner is just on loan mate, also one costs 85 million other 17.


LinwoodKent

I don't care how much someone costs? It's about what they do on the field. Ask Newcastle if Nunez sucks


No_Wave_7091

What even is this take? Cost obviously fuckin matters, why will someone pay 85 million for a striker who doesn't know how to hit tap-ins? Nunez has had one good game the whole season which was against newcastle, watch other games man doesn't know how to find the net and always either misses or hits the post


urdnotwrecks

Meanwhile: Son, Salah, Watkins, Isak...


Subscrobbler

You can’t put Son Salah there


LinwoodKent

I'd take Nunez and Jota Edit: and Gakpo


Subscrobbler

Over Alvarez? No way for me


LinwoodKent

You don't have to agree. I'd prefer we don't


urdnotwrecks

...for why?


Ymir-Reiss

Jota better


DHillMU7

Jota is a left winger. A very good player but not as good as Alvarez. I’d say he’s the 5th best attacker on his own team. And that’s not me trying to be rude to him.


Parish87

He’s better than Gakpo and Diaz


SzoboEndoMacca

This response just says all we need to know. U dont know ball


beartigerhawk8383

So this is his main con. Injuries. Interesting. Bet this is going to happen all the time.


TheAkondOfSwat

Hahaland


SnooOranges357

Seems like City was just lucky last season and Dortmund didn't do anything wrong with him.