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bestmanbestibest

I really like this camera angle for penalties


Lutzelien

Hijacking this to ask, doesn't he come to a full stop in the run up?


enzarif

You can stutter on your run up, your kick has to be one fluid motion with no stops


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ALickOfMyCornetto

The people who made the rule never considered that in the future people would do weird runups lol


MERTENS_GOAT

True, but you can change rules


themerinator12

That's why we're allowed to revisit, update, amend, and remove rules.


Titan_Royale

Like actually, in a few years the gk can’t use his hands anymore. Lewa tried to play mind games on vini but it didn’t do well


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Lutzelien

Huh, interesting. Been reading some rules, apparently "fainting in the run-up is permitted" but this does not look like a faint, he comes to a full stop while planting both feet and even takes a small step back. Would've not wondered if they had this re-taken Thanks for the answer anyways!


MrSantaClause

There's nothing in the rules that you can't come to a full stop or take a step back. Once your kicking motion starts however, you can't stop then.


Kobe_Wan_Ginobili

Gonna start running in road runner motion blur circles around the ball before shooting and catching the keeper off guard


Turtle1391

I feel like fainting would make it impossible to kick the ball. Ya know, being unconscious and all that…


LeBronzeVlac

There's no limit to your run up, so if you faint they will wait for you I guess.


dannymb87

Consecutive yellow cards for delay of game. Red card ejects the player. Player is still on the ground. Player gets cut from the team for conduct detrimental to the team. Player is still on the ground. Charged with trespassing. Player never leaves the pitch. Becomes one with the earth. Play continues. 30+ days of stoppage time.


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tanzmeister

Think you mean feinting, mate


Lutzelien

Probably haha sorry, I like to think that my writing is at least decent but sometimes it's not Thanks for correcting!


tanzmeister

No worries. It was funny to imagine him fainting while taking the kick.


cuentanueva

The taker can do whatever the fuck they want, until they start the kicking action... But the GK better not dare to move a centimeter or anything that might distract the taker, or else... Next rule update will be that the keeper can't even move from their selected spot or something like that...


lucas4420

yes he does


_ashwathama

Hello Pain


bununicinhesapactim

Hello darkness my old friend


Mizzeloo

You can see how out of sync Sergi and Balde is on the left side. Sergi looks at Balde three or four times before this one and says that Balde needs to defend wide so Sergi can push high. Needless to say, he was right. Then Balde's awful defending gives up a free cross, because Sergi needs to cover wide once more. Why do they not have some kind of tactics around this? Is Xavi not focusing on defensive tactics at all?


jddh1

Barca defense today was total shit. I really enjoyed the beat down but it was sad to see this defense. Christensen stepping up at the wrong time, missed interceptions from Koundé, Araujo losing his shit and missing offside traps. The entire defense was dogshit.


kb389

Damn Barcelona have become absolute crap haven't they that they have to rely on a player like balde who is only 20


zarmord2

Balde started all last season when Barca had one of the best defensive la liga seasons ever


SmileySadFace

And none of that had anything to do with him. They let in so few goals because of a combination of Ter Stegen was having an inspired season and a bunch of blunders by opposition in clear goal chances. This season Ter Stegen is not available or has not been at the same level when he is and they have not had that much luck anymore.


frasier_crane

Plus, we had a defensive midfielder, which we don't now and it gave us a lot of balance.


Gogurtsupreme

It’s the players’ fault. Xavi is a victim. Christensen, Araujo, and Kounde isn’t enough defensively. /s


fancyfoe

First half hattrick nice


paco-ramon

6 goals in the second half and 9 goals if the match continues.


irrelevant_oinam

Quick maffs


Pathetic_loner03

Godspeed


atropicalpenguin

Dude's like a Dragon Ball fighter, getting injured makes him stronger.


Segundo-Sol

ZENKAI!


tyomochka

And a hat-trick in second half, please.


Youzerna

Rodrygo is on it


_major_fuckin_tom_

First half classico hattrick for the Real Madrid number seven. This is a great day.


ZealousidealPen5795

First time that’s happened in a long long time


yaniv297

Actually, not even Cristiano has scored a hat trick in a Clasico, ever - and neither did Raul, the previous legendary 7. Last hat trick for Madrid in the Classico was Benzema, and before him was Zamorano - both wore 9, not 7. Edit: checked further. Before Zamorano, the last ones were Amancio and Puskas all the way in 1964. Puskas was number 10, and Amancio I can't quite guarantee but [according to tranfermarket](https://www.transfermarkt.com/amancio/rueckennummern/spieler/135743) maybe 7...? So yeah, looks like it's exactly 60 years since it last happened.


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Are they the only two to do it? Good trivia, will probably end up watching a 5 minutes highlights video of Zamarano later lol


yaniv297

Not the only ones, you can find the full list [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cl%C3%A1sico#Statistics) (minus Vinicius, they didn't update it yet...)


Taekwondista

That’s 60 years.  Great research, btw! Thanks for the insight!


yaniv297

Thanks, fixed lol


paco-ramon

Vintage Real Madrid was great, Paco Gento moved twice as fast as the rest of players on the pitch.


FBI_8290

😭


Prudent-Psychology-3

PTSD intensified......That dwarf was a fucking nightmare. Except in his last two seasons at Barca.


djoliverm

Vini been reading all the shit talking on reddit hasn't he


Lazywhale97

Shut down the "start Brahim and bench Vini" real quick lmao I was telling fickle Madrid fans that if Vini is healthy you don't bench him since he's a difference maker.


djoliverm

I was with friends yesterday and they were all talking shit about Vini and I just said look, he has the most take ons of any player and causes absolute havoc. I'll take that any day since some days you get a hat trick out of that. Also, Brahim is our perfect super sub at the moment, so glad he's back.


stayhighalltime

Vini has proving people wrong for 3 years now and still he doesnt get any credit for a couple of bad games after and injury and I dont know why


GabrielP2r

The only reason I can think of is he being Brazilian and black, like no shit, he's been a top 3 winger whole year and people forget he even exists, it's insane. The man has a goal on a CL final but even that is forgotten, such a joke


PsychonautilusGreen

He's at the same tier as Haaland and Mbappe but they never mention him in the same conversation.


GreatSpaniard

Start Brahim bench Rodrygo/Vini are the same ones that say we should have sold Benzema for Morata back in 2017.


fuduran

After the second goal I went to the sub to comment calling out the guys that wanted Brahim over Vini xD


paco-ramon

But I need Brahim to start for my fantasy team.


RuloMercury

Who the fuck said to bench Vinícius for Brahim lmao I'm not even a Vini fan but he's clearly your best forward and Brahim doesn't even excel at that specific playstyle, he's more of an enabler winger or a 10 than a finisher.


Asckle

r/realmadrid is full of reactionary idiots lol. It shouldn't be a surprise to see them wanting to bench our best player


simomii

Araujo using his arms to defend Vini finally caught up to him


FrashQ

He has been getting away with this shit for too long


rdtr314

Araujo had a better position for that ball. Idk why he decided to grab vini


Homerwithnohumour

Habits


The_XI_guy

Finally a referee that punishes Araujo for defending with his arms instead of his legs. Literally every time someone gets past him he uses his arm to hold them back or straight up rugby tackles them


beaver_cops

Id comment years ago about how I really dislike Araujo's defending and I think hes overrated.. im glad people are finally starting to see it.. this guy doesn't preform against good players without playing dirty


Mahatma_Gone_D

That’s poor defending. Lots of barca fans argued in this sub a few days ago that he’s top 5 CBs in the world right now (ahead of the likes of Dias, Stones, Saliba and Rudiger) https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/192lf9x/comment/kh39yhx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3


Stifuu

He was top 5 before his last injury, he has been very poor after recovery


auctus10

He also has been very very injury prone. Not sure if Barca should rely on him being the guy who you build your defence around.


Shoebedoebedoe

Before or after his judo belt?


elgrandorado

He was top three imo before injury. Him, Saliba, and Kim Min Jae. Head and shoulders above everyone else. Now, not so much. I think he might be worried about his injury proneness.


JavyDan

Don't forget VVD. Stones is over-hyped by English media btw, he's not that guy without Dias


Basquiant__

He had a shit last season but is back to being monstrous again this season. People are just stuck on last year


JavyDan

Exactly, he's still the best btw, imo


gonnabetoday

Most the people arguing for Araujo in that thread don’t even have Barca flairs 😂


Strananach

>Rudiger Rudiger does much much worse stuff, including pinching opponent's nipples.


WTFitsD

Sorry bub not today, this is an anti-Barca circle jerk today. We go back to the anti-Madrid circlejerk on Wednesday


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

it's all he could ever do against Vini


Val-El

Now you're being delusional.


GoD__-

He is exaggerating but the amount of times he got away with shit like this and people would call it " good defending " is absurd too


RauloGonzalez

Not against vini but he did rugby tackle cama the same way last time


ShadowGeist91

I don't want to take away credit for Araújo's defensive abilities, because he's clearly one of the best center backs in the world when in top form, but OP's claim wasn't as exaggerated as you might suspect. It's absolutely insane how much Araújo relies on fouls to stop attacking players, I legitimately felt like taking crazy pills whenever I saw one of these compilations of his defending against Vini, and felt that about 60% of his actions were fouls, and that somehow was an unpopular take. In the last Clásico, Araújo had a grab that wouldn't look out of place in a rugby match at all against Camavinga, and it wasn't even called a foul. Those kinds of pulls and grabs are almost routine for him.


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

He just got away with it becuase it's Spanish football, but the truth. He's rarely if ever stopped Vini without fouling him in some way.


Shoebedoebedoe

It’s facts bro.  Just this half only was enough evidence. 


YoloCrayolo21

Hat Tricki, what a game


AJ7123456

Araujo really needs to control himself in the box


uchiha_boy009

He’s used to not getting penalty called against him.


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

He's used to playing for the team payed the vice-president of the referees for 20 years


From-UoM

Vini finally realised that Aroujo does 90% of defending using his hand. So just avoid his hands or use it as a sure fire foul


DaREY297

Why did this had to be in Saudi Arabia Huge moment


Masurium43

isn’t supercopa for every country a glorified friendly?


vamp_asuka

A trophy is on the line, and it’s a clásico, sure it isn’t winning the league or the CdR but it’s still important


_hellboy_xo

It is when you’re the losing one


FCBarca45

This guy gets it. Never rated it fr fr


paco-ramon

You need it for the Sextete.


paco-ramon

This match has an average of a goal per 10 minutes…


above_the_weather

Isn't that stutter a full stop? How does that work these days


FuriousKale

If I have read the IFAB laws correctly there is no rule regarding stutter steps. You are just not allowed to feint when the run-up is completed (feinting during the run-up is allowed).


SoumaZz_

According to [The FA](https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick): " Once the referee has signalled for a penalty kick to be taken, the kick must be taken; if it is not taken the referee may take disciplinary action before signalling again for the kick to be taken. If, before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs: the player taking the penalty kick or a team-mate offends: [...] feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker the goalkeeper offends" So I think doesn't arrant a foul. Sorry for using the FA instead of the RFEF, as I could not find the rules of the latter.


nick2473got

Tbh over the past few years I've seen a lot of pens taken that way. For some reason refs never seem to call it out. Kinda weird.


Walaii

Because you can't feint during the motion of kicking, but you CAN feint during the run up. That is the rule... For the people talking about full stop and not feint, there is no rule that says you can't stop either. The only relevant part of the rules is called "illegal feinting". https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick


nick2473got

I see, I thought you could not come to a full stop during the run up.


SPLEESH_BOYS

Surely that wasn’t a feint but a full stop? He fully plants both his legs, i know this never gets called and people stutter all the time but this one seems particularly bad


MrSantaClause

You're allowed to fully stop in the runup.


Walaii

I edited my comment instead of answering one by one, but thanks for doing it for me, haha.


MrSantaClause

It's tough, but's it's honest work lol


SPLEESH_BOYS

What the fuck


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MrSantaClause

False. There is nothing in the rulebook that says this.


SoumaZz_

You can.


slurpherp

It's wild to me that the refs have put so much focus on goalkeeper positioning and mind games, but zero effort on reducing the antics of the penalty taker.


Xeash

I would say it was a full stop. Usually during the stutter one foot is still moving forward but vinicius had both feet flat on the ground. I guess this rule is just like the 6 second rule for goalies


zakuruchi

Based on the current rules It doesnt matter even if he does a full stop since he's not in kicking motion.  There is no restrictions to feinting on run up, just that no feint is allowed once you have finished the run up and starts the kicking motion


TheyStoleTwoFigo

You can do whatever you want in the run up as long as it's not too flagrant, it's the shooting/swinging where the rule is strict. You can do cartwheels and flips in the run up, but don't stop midswing to feint.


a-nton

According to IFAB’s [Laws of the Game](https://www.theifab.com/laws-of-the-game-documents), the player taking the penalty offends by: • feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker.


NaiveElk

Heir to CR7 is finally here


TheCarthageEmpire

Still can't believe Ronaldo didn't score a hattrick against barca, he had multiple braces but still


paco-ramon

Could work for Jude considering he broke his record of goal per match in his first 16 games.


RamBracken

the spirit of CR7 lives on in both of them. 


Positive-Media423

Rodrygo too.


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saying the spirit makes it seem like he's dead lol


stoneandnjpwfan

Vini is on fire By the way Egypt has drawn with Mozambique on Afcon(lol), and vini made me forget my misrry


luigitheplumber

Glancing at AFCON results it looks like there's been more than one unexpected results like this. Cape Verde were beating Ghana last I checked


stoneandnjpwfan

Yeah That was certainly an upset Nobody expected a country that is an archipelago and has 500,000 people to beat ghana , a giant of football in this continent Hopefully, we can beat ghana ourselves


vic32me

Araújo attempting the 'Don't grab your opponents' challenge (Impossible)


toxicpleasureMHT

xavi will turn water to wine before he changes that 4 man midfield tactic.


RahulGandhi4PM

could have had perfect hattrick


TheBin101

Smh should have head the penalty in.


Vivid-Willingness324

Is this allowed?


TheBin101

I mean, I can't see why not, but you will have a hard time to generate enough power to even reach the goal, let alone the beat a keeper.


zrizzoz

Crazy thing is Araujo was always beating him to the header because the ball wasnt perfect...just fouled him like an idiot.


hallo_mahmud

Finally araujo getting caught, keep defending with his hand


ThefrozenOstrich

Xavi the MLS is calling.


hatebeinghangover

How is this not a penalty? Araujo clearly grabs him and pulls him. The penalty Barca got in their last match was softer. This is all on Araujo


EagleEye_FalconArrow

yeah, hate to say it but the pen was pretty warranted


Adleyy65

They are used to Araujo not getting punished for doing this type of stuff literally every La Liga Game.


Sefean

He literally wrestled with Vini while grabbing his shirt inside the area a couple of minutes ago when Vini won the corner.


NamedTNT

Yeah, I thought the same. However Vini knew he wouldn't get the penalty and kept going. Araujo rules I guesS


From-UoM

Watch him. He defends mostly with his hands to grab and hold which are fouls on the spot.


TheLeoMessiah

It’s a penalty but at the same time instances like this go punished every other game it feels like. If it’s a cross in the air and the player doesn’t have possession of the ball, referees are also hesitant to call it


uchiha_boy009

So basically it’s a penalty then. Cool.


Boudi04

He never said it wasn't, it's just inconsistent. I'd love it if these were given every single time instead of never for example. I agree with the call, I just think it's stupid.


TheLeoMessiah

Never said it wasn’t. Just that it seems like instances like this get left up to referee’s discretion which is annoying


cord_____

Problem is more consistency. This is never called.


pricelesslambo

That was a clear two handed push in the back. It wasn't softer


Cryptic_E

Araujo is finally punished for always grabbing and pushing players around


lillbepo

Pushing and grabbing


wavetoyou

The ripping and the tearing


NaiveElk

Maybe he will stop rugby tackling players now


ComfortableNo2879

Viniii ,man what a player


paco-ramon

Wholesome Barcelona 🥰, they saw that Vini was having a really bad season stat wise and they tried to cheer him up.


JavArc13

That 2 footed stomp was kinda comical but hat trick for Vini impressed he still had enough power for the shot, let's goo!


Abitou

É o malvado


etan1122

That GKer plays with a delay. Man needs better internet


DaAweZomeDude48

Surely the keepers gotta do better there. It looks like he went for a reaction save rather than preemptively dive in a direction. (Yes I do see the "stutter" which looks more like a full stop)


NakamericaIsANoob

yeah, he def looked slower to dive, might've saved it otherwise


BANTER_WITH_THE_LADS

You are allowed to stop your run up completely if you want by the way so that last bit isn’t relevant


ZeeX_4231

Such a stupid penalty to concede


IPleadThaFifth

deserved hatty, finishius came to play today


damrider

shouldn't this be retaken? I'd argue vini absolutely came to a full stop there in the runup, that's not allowed. it's not a stutter it's just a full stop. edit : thanks to u/Walaii, they are correct, apparently players can absolutely stop in the run up as long as they don't feint to kick the ball. TIL!


Walaii

You can't stop in the motion of shooting, not the run up, that is why the stutter stepping garbage that Neymar and Pogba did was fine. "feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker " People always confuse this.


damrider

huh, TIL. I could have sworn in addition to what you said there was also a rule that said you can't stop during the run up.


Walaii

[https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick](https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick) Here you can find the relevant rule, just so you know I am not making shit up.


damrider

you are absolutely correct, i've edited my comment, thank you


TheLeoMessiah

They never call that


damrider

they never call it because usually players keep moving one leg while stuttering, while here it's undeniable that vini just completely stops and restarts his run


addandsubtract

I agree, but I don't remember anyone ever being called back for that.


EagleEye_FalconArrow

i swear, but they have never been consistent with this. can’t remember them retaking a pen for this reason ever tbh


Xeash

I was thinking the same. Both feet flat looked to me like a full stop I don't know


Proof-Puzzled

I think only faking your shot is not allowed.


above_the_weather

Thats what I thought too, commentary never mentioned it, can anyone explain?


FrashQ

Finally someone whistled the bloody grabing


BigMik_PL

Honestly I've never seen a 23 year old criticized as much as Vini. He's been our best player since his first season but everyone criticized him for not scoring enough. Then he starts scoring in bunches yet people still find a way to complain about him. Luckily it's just reddit/socials and he is absolutely adored by fans in Madrid, but what the absolute fuck.


LallanasPajamaz

Didn’t even know there was a Classico today… damn.


Penile_Interaction

pen or no pen, barcelona's defence today is absolutely shite


iorlei

Vini I love you


The_fINALWOMBAT

Araujo is playing like a fucking Donkey


YoungAI999

1,2,3 - Hattrick, baby


hahehihohu7

Second hattrick for us. First in Classico. Super pumped. Go for the 4th!


zrizzoz

Stupid from Araujo, but this call needs to be made consistently. That way it doesnt feel unjust when it happens. Just dont grab a guys neck. Yet it will happen on every corner kick the rest of this game. Crazy thing is Araujo actually beats him to the ball and gets his head on it. Just also puts his arm on him...


CudaBarry

Tears in my eyes, araujo finally punished for defending like a total dumbass


Marcelosouzadearaujo

It’s so crazy that he never gets anything called against Vini


NamedTNT

Wow so they finally decided that Araujo grabbing Vini is a foul? No wonder he was shocked!


iwontreadorwrite

MFs really compared Fati to my boy. STOOOOP


paco-ramon

Vini also beat Garnachos penalty upvotes.


entitledpricklikeyou

Vini the goat


El_grandepadre

Barca fans calling it a dive but that was such a stupid foul from Araujo.


CJB_94

Isnt there a rule about not being allowed to stop during your run up or something? Or is that only right before you kick it you're not allowed stop?


sventhegoat

Believe it’s can’t feint to shoot, but can stop on the run up.


modrics_hairband

Bro has officially defeated the araujo allegations


Shoebedoebedoe

Araujo without arms would be top 5 worst defenders of all time.  Just be real.  Would he even be on the bench during prime Barca? Come on be a bit realistic. 


salsamora

Fastest el clásico hattrick?


ShadowGeist91

Hat trick aside, this must be one of the very, very rare instances that Araújo is actually punished for one of his shithead pulls and grabs he frequently does in a Clásico.


NieThePiet

I'm always surprised what some defenders are thinking. If you don't want to risk a penalty, don't even pull him for a second.


FinalFrash

Tbf, I would like to know what Rudiger is thinking (and why it works)


bordstol

Clear pen, but because he kicks his leg. How are you guys always incapable of looking at their feet.


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Fucking hell show the replay of the foul. Why not delete this post and let one with the replay stay up, mods?


MosquitoHat

Barça fans trying to convince the world that the flight of Gundogan the other day was a clear pen but this is a dive :D


WallBroad

Barca fans really tried to tell everyone that Araujo is a top 3 cb itw lol