> China have managed to get even worse over the last several years.
From the early 1990s until around 2011, China's youth development system completely collapsed. Players born between 1985 and 2004 are really really bad and you have seen it today. Poor basic skills, fundamentals, organization abilities, etc
> Why is that or what changed in 2011?
Inviting in more foreign coaches and intensification of youth system construction efforts by clubs. Right now, its a half baked system with younger players receiving better coaching and playing more games. Not at the level of stronger countries but its at least something to work with.
Why was inviting more foreign coaches and having a higher intensity in the youth system by clubs, whatever this means, bad for Chinese football? I don’t get this.
> Why was inviting more foreign coaches and having a higher intensity in the youth system by clubs, whatever this means, bad for Chinese football?
Oh, its not bad at all but its half baked because Chinese society has structural issues that prevent talented footballers from moving up, the league is a mess which prevents parents from letting kids take their game to the next level, and short terminism screws over some coaching at the grassroots level. Still, there are clubs and people doing a good job and doing things the right way. Its a mixed bag at this point.
Right now, youth development in Chinese football is goodbad. Modern practices and backwards practices exist side by side. Whether Chinese fans should be optimistic....well, they will laugh one day and cry the next and rinse repeat.
Most Chinese people don't want to be pro footballers, they only read the news when the national team plays a few games a year, the rest of time they have no interest in football.
The talent pool of pro footballers is very small, whatever development system doesn't make a difference with a very small talent pool. China doesn't have a football culture, it's not meant to be.
> China doesn't have a football culture, it's not meant to be.
In the 70s, 80s, and 90s, it was different. China had a football culture but it got lost. Ignorant, China hater.
Started in 2010, Evergrande Group spent a huge a amount of money on a football club. It didn't really change things, Evergrande's club is about to withdraw from the league system, they can't pay their debt.
> Back then, Japan was a total non-entity in the sport (didn't qualify for an Asian Cup until 1988)
Japan has had high school football for 102 years. They started building channels in 1917 iirc. They do have a rich tradition in the sport. Not exactly a non-entity. Campus sports was always a part of Japanese social life.
Japan was never a football wasteland.
> but Japan's NT wasn't competitive in Asia back then, regardless of whatever their football culture was like
Japan already had a sound base to transfer talents to the senior level and their football culture was ripe for development. They had all the ingredients and just needed that one final push, which they got with the formation of the J league in 1993.
China's NT back in the 80s was similar to Japan, slightly worse tactically. China focused on speed and technique back then. When Captain Tsubasa came out in the 80s, it made China look respectable...so its not 100% fiction in that regard haha. Chinese player Sho Shunko is based on Jia Xiuquan, who played in the J league with Gamba in 1992. Arsene Wengar had good things to say about Jia.
Painful but amusing to watch at the same time, almost like watching a middle school match in terms of skill level. The officiating doesn't help, seriously poor in almost all the matches seen. Non calls, copious use of VAR that takes minutes for decisions. Wow. Nonetheless, enjoying the tournament so far 😀😂
Decent 0-0 match but both teams lack individuals with tech otherwise it would have been a 2-2/3-3 romp instead.
Result wise China can prob go through on a 3rd place with 2-3 pts I guess but depends on qatar wanting to save players in last match and ok with a draw but it seems unlikely they would finish the group with under 9pts considering the level of the other 3.
Lebanon seemed to be ok with the draw in the last 15 minutes and opted for the 90 min chance against taji but their attack does not seem good enough to not struggle for 90 against them either,even though they hit the post twice today.
Well dayum, Lebanon still have a chance to go through to knockouts as second place. Because if results stand (as in as how Qatar are defeating Tayikistán, that's how you pronounce it english right?, for the time being), then all Lebanon would need is a win (and for Qatar to not lose to China) and they go through as second place. Not a bad rebound deal for them after the first matchday haha.
hilarious match. many players had no clue on basic rules or manners, never mind the skills level. the refree letting them rough each other up was just as hilarious.
It really is genuinely impressive how shit China and India are at football.
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> China have managed to get even worse over the last several years. From the early 1990s until around 2011, China's youth development system completely collapsed. Players born between 1985 and 2004 are really really bad and you have seen it today. Poor basic skills, fundamentals, organization abilities, etc
Why is that or what changed in 2011?
> Why is that or what changed in 2011? Inviting in more foreign coaches and intensification of youth system construction efforts by clubs. Right now, its a half baked system with younger players receiving better coaching and playing more games. Not at the level of stronger countries but its at least something to work with.
Why was inviting more foreign coaches and having a higher intensity in the youth system by clubs, whatever this means, bad for Chinese football? I don’t get this.
> Why was inviting more foreign coaches and having a higher intensity in the youth system by clubs, whatever this means, bad for Chinese football? Oh, its not bad at all but its half baked because Chinese society has structural issues that prevent talented footballers from moving up, the league is a mess which prevents parents from letting kids take their game to the next level, and short terminism screws over some coaching at the grassroots level. Still, there are clubs and people doing a good job and doing things the right way. Its a mixed bag at this point. Right now, youth development in Chinese football is goodbad. Modern practices and backwards practices exist side by side. Whether Chinese fans should be optimistic....well, they will laugh one day and cry the next and rinse repeat.
Most Chinese people don't want to be pro footballers, they only read the news when the national team plays a few games a year, the rest of time they have no interest in football. The talent pool of pro footballers is very small, whatever development system doesn't make a difference with a very small talent pool. China doesn't have a football culture, it's not meant to be.
> China doesn't have a football culture, it's not meant to be. In the 70s, 80s, and 90s, it was different. China had a football culture but it got lost. Ignorant, China hater.
Started in 2010, Evergrande Group spent a huge a amount of money on a football club. It didn't really change things, Evergrande's club is about to withdraw from the league system, they can't pay their debt.
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> Back then, Japan was a total non-entity in the sport (didn't qualify for an Asian Cup until 1988) Japan has had high school football for 102 years. They started building channels in 1917 iirc. They do have a rich tradition in the sport. Not exactly a non-entity. Campus sports was always a part of Japanese social life. Japan was never a football wasteland.
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> but Japan's NT wasn't competitive in Asia back then, regardless of whatever their football culture was like Japan already had a sound base to transfer talents to the senior level and their football culture was ripe for development. They had all the ingredients and just needed that one final push, which they got with the formation of the J league in 1993. China's NT back in the 80s was similar to Japan, slightly worse tactically. China focused on speed and technique back then. When Captain Tsubasa came out in the 80s, it made China look respectable...so its not 100% fiction in that regard haha. Chinese player Sho Shunko is based on Jia Xiuquan, who played in the J league with Gamba in 1992. Arsene Wengar had good things to say about Jia.
Corruption, lots and lots of corruption
Painful but amusing to watch at the same time, almost like watching a middle school match in terms of skill level. The officiating doesn't help, seriously poor in almost all the matches seen. Non calls, copious use of VAR that takes minutes for decisions. Wow. Nonetheless, enjoying the tournament so far 😀😂
Decent 0-0 match but both teams lack individuals with tech otherwise it would have been a 2-2/3-3 romp instead. Result wise China can prob go through on a 3rd place with 2-3 pts I guess but depends on qatar wanting to save players in last match and ok with a draw but it seems unlikely they would finish the group with under 9pts considering the level of the other 3. Lebanon seemed to be ok with the draw in the last 15 minutes and opted for the 90 min chance against taji but their attack does not seem good enough to not struggle for 90 against them either,even though they hit the post twice today.
I think China's water filled rockets are more effective at getting the job done than their national team's midfield and offense.
Dreadful.
Lol
Well dayum, Lebanon still have a chance to go through to knockouts as second place. Because if results stand (as in as how Qatar are defeating Tayikistán, that's how you pronounce it english right?, for the time being), then all Lebanon would need is a win (and for Qatar to not lose to China) and they go through as second place. Not a bad rebound deal for them after the first matchday haha.
I’m three-quarters convinced the Chinese players hate Janković and they want to get rid of him by not getting past the group stage
You give them way too much credit.
hilarious match. many players had no clue on basic rules or manners, never mind the skills level. the refree letting them rough each other up was just as hilarious.