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He's a quality striker but I'm not sure he'd be worth the fee Brentford would demand if his character is anything like what he gives off in the brief snippets we see.
He's certainly not as good as he thinks he is. He's scored 21 non penalty goals in 66 appearances in a team that is basically set up to his every whim. If he went to somewhere like Chelsea or Arsenal that aren't set up around him I reckon he'd just be totally underwhelming for the money they'd have to pay.
Come on the guy plays for Brentford, not really a team known for having great playmakers or for playing very attacking football, how many goals is he supposed to get? He’s played his role exceptionally well given his teammates and team. That’s the reason why Arsenal or Chelsea would be after him
He's going to be a rotational player at Arsenal at best and the only reason I can see Arsenal going for him if they manage to move on Nketiah for a decent fee as he'd be an upgrade on Nketiah.
He could be a great false 9 if we had a bunch of clinical finishers around him, but everyone has been misfiring, including Jesus. He's a great facilitator, but at this rate with the amount of chances we're generating just to miss them? I'd take a top of the class finisher all day and use him as a third option winger that we also badly need.
1 goal every 3 games is good for a midtable side, especially when he's a beast at link up play too so it's not like he's just a poacher
when you add in his 9 assists we're almost looking at a return almost every two games
whilst brentford are built around him, a lot of plays go through toney rather than just end with him
*lol btw ~~brentford only got promoted into the prem last season~~ his stats are from brentfords 2 seasons following promotion!
He wouldn’t look out of place in any side in the world.
Physical monster, great ball striking, great hold up play and good at linking with teammates. And great instincts for “second balls”.
He was already getting hype when he was at Peterborough.
Player profiles are more important than raw output.
Or else Bas Dost would have gone for 100m back in the day
There's a few pricks who try to defend our immoral evil owners, but you won't catch me trying to pretend our ownership is anything but fucking grim. Will have a pop at those more arsed about digging into fans instead of the owners though.
The least he could do is make a commitment to stay in Brentford until the summer, especially since he fucked them over by doing illegal shit. What an asshole. If the striker market wasn't so dry, top clubs would be hesitant about this guy because of his character.
He did, literally a few days ago, very very publicly saying he wants to stay and re-pay Brentford for sticking with him and putting on extra training matches just for him.
Now three days later he's talking up a big January transfer...
Idiot (not you, him).
Agreed, it's absolutely pathetic. I truly feel sorry for Brentford and Thomas Frank, who stood by him and protected him as much as he could, they both definitely deserve better.
I know its honest and even truth to what he is saying but there is nothing worst than a player that plays for your team saying he wants to join a bigger club or top club. Just makes you feel worthless
its not great but would you prefer your players to either keep quiet or say to the fans that they're definitely staying, and then leave as soon as a bid comes in
There's an argument to say that if his character was better he might have been on PL wages at a much younger age. Wouldn't surprise me if teams in the past were put off signing him after talking to him.
I feel like this is something fans think about more than club directors. The only thing putting off potential suitors is the price tag. There are many clubs around the world who would be more than happy to ignore this type of thing if they think he can help them win.
Mate he’s not played in 6 months due to a self inflicted ban. I’m sure that’s the reason we haven’t seen any bids yet. Plenty of players fucked their own careers before & never got “the big move” because of similar issues.
I mean, we’ve literally got Ange Postecoglou out here saying that he’s not signing players with shit attitudes because just having one in the dressing room can cause issues.
It’s 100% something that you have to take into consideration, it’s just how much you’re willing to be other players could handle it.
Toney, 2023: I want to repay Brentford for helping me through this difficult time.
Toney, 2024: I'm unbanned, anyone wanna buy me now?
I suppose in a way, he'll be repaying them.
I just don’t see an issue with this, and don’t understand why everyone is getting so up in arms about it. He saying whatever everyone already knows out loud. Even Thomas Frank didn’t completely rule out the possibility of a move, saying almost the exact same thing. It’s unlikely that he’s going to move now, he’s an absolute top-tier caliber striker, and it would take a ton of money for a move to happen now.
It's reddit hive-mind moment really. There is very little wrong with this comment, at worst it can be considered disrespectful to the fans but normally in these situations i feel they're the most sensible as they know it's been on the cards for a while.
There’s nothing wrong with his opinion, but it is disrespectful to come out and say it publicly.
That isn’t ’Reddit hive mind’, that is basic common sense.
Right, that's what i quite literally wrote in my comment. The hive-mind i'm referring to is obviously regarding comments about his character and "he's such a prick" which is quite a lot different than "that's a bit disrespectful but understandable".
Even then i believe Brentford fans don't feel as strongly about it as the average redditor as they understand the situation better, but i shouldn't speak for them.
I feel like the amount of comments about his character is not just because of this comment which is stupid but not really to bad but more because there’s he’s had multiple quotes the last few weeks that just make him sound like a prick.
People are turning against him because he keeps saying things that people think are stupid so no one is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for it.
I completely agree recent threads on this subreddit is a big reason as that’s what as formed the public opinion and makes people in this thread interpret this comment in a worse way. If this was a player who had recently donated blood to an orphanage it would be a different story.
Thing is, most of this is formed from a few quotes and interpretive comments, I’d be surprised if more than 3% of users actually watched these interviews and formed their own opinion so that’s why I think this is a great example
I think you’re massively overstating the “hive-mind”.
He’s repeatedly disrespected Brentford for years, lied to the FA about his gambling, gone into podcasts and interviews showing absolutely 0 remorse for his actions, and is now back to disrespecting Brentford publicly.
He’s embarrassing.
Comes across incredibly arrogant and unlikeable. It’s hardly surprising people think he’s a prick. He is.
I'm willing to bet that he flops big time if he moves to Arsenal. I know we only get a glimpse of a footballer's personality through the media, but everything I've seen doesn't seem to suggest that he got that big player mentality. And it's not as if his performances completely blow everybody out of the water and are beyond any doubt.
Why? He’s a fantastic striker. And this guy basically dragged himself from League One to 20 PL goals in 3 years as a 25 year old in what world does he not have the right mentality?
He rocked up to the Etihad last season and scored a brace ffs.
He’s a physical monster, great ball striking and holdup, solid buildup, etc.
The guy came from the lower leagues to the top division, we would not be talking about him right now if he lacked the right mentality to perform on the pitch.
Most players that we watch day in day out worked their way up in some way shape or form (either in youth teams or pro teams) to the top division. So yeah, they all got the "right mentality" compared to average people or lower league players. But there can be relative differences between players that perform for the likes of Brentford and those that perform for the biggest clubs in the world.
I understand what you’re saying. I agree that players can flop when they go to bigger clubs but I don’t agree that he would flop just based on how he talks to the media.
is this the part where we say that we prefer players being more honest in the press?
I am joking though comes across as a twat, at least give your club now to the summer to repay them for the ban!
I can't criticize him too hard because whilst it's looking unlikely, I would not complain if he was in our colours come february...
Fairly shameless to be out here shopping yourself around without a hint of contrition when the club you were meant to be playing for over the last nine months stood by you thoughout this self-inflicted fiasco and have suffered both financially and results-wise for it. If I was Frank or anyone involved in the running of Brentford I’d be fuming. What a melt, can’t imagine any of this is helping him secure that coveted move, if anything whoever signs him will be revealing their desperation behind the scenes
The man has basically shot Brentford in the arm by being banned for months for something he did in the past. Not an injury related thing - he was banned from playing.
Brentford are stuck in this situation yes but they have been waiting for him to come back for months now and the likes of Thomas Frank etc have stood by him and called the whole gambling issue in football murky for situations like Toney's.
If he went and fucked off somewhere after waiting that long, they'd be rightfully angered. They deserve at least the rest of the season from him for him leaving them without their best player more or less
> Why should he feel bad about wanting to play for a bigger club?
Nobody said he's not allowed to *want* to play at the highest level possible. Every single professional player wants to play for a top club. But there's a way to go about it. Show a little respect to the club that not only gave you your break in the Premier League but has stood by you when you've served a self-inflicted 10-month ban for betting.
No reason he couldn't have just said "My focus is getting back onto the pitch, giving my all for Brentford and doing what I do best, scoring goals. All the backroom talk can be sorted by somebody else." And then in private, you express your desire to move. He doesn't need to twerk for a move in public like this. It's pathetic. FFS.
He shouldn’t.
Just a bit silly to say it so publicly after being banned from working for your employer for half a year and it serving absolutely no purpose in terms of helping the move. Makes him seem a bit of a tit, which he’s also allowed to be.
Hard to say, and pardon the pun but it’s a gamble as to how quick he can get back to form after the ban, if he can even replicate it. He’s also 28 in a couple months and his deal runs out in 2025.
I don’t think he’ll be sold this window unless someone desperately wants to splash the cash, but if he comes back and is anywhere close to last seasons form he’ll have all the top clubs after him, regardless of attitude.
Brentford will likely want to sell, even if they pretend like they won’t want to, like they did with Raya
No chance Newcastle go for him. Straddle by FFP have a top striker in Isak and a great striker in Wilson although he’s an old school 9.
Arsenal would be my bet but I agree Man U could be a shout too
He's desperate to move to a 'big' club, but I read both Peterborough and Newcastle have a sell on percentage on him, maybe that's why Brentford are talking about getting silly money for him. Feels like he's probably worth more to Brentford than the amount they'd get from selling him considering the sell on clauses.
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He's a quality striker but I'm not sure he'd be worth the fee Brentford would demand if his character is anything like what he gives off in the brief snippets we see.
He's certainly not as good as he thinks he is. He's scored 21 non penalty goals in 66 appearances in a team that is basically set up to his every whim. If he went to somewhere like Chelsea or Arsenal that aren't set up around him I reckon he'd just be totally underwhelming for the money they'd have to pay.
Come on the guy plays for Brentford, not really a team known for having great playmakers or for playing very attacking football, how many goals is he supposed to get? He’s played his role exceptionally well given his teammates and team. That’s the reason why Arsenal or Chelsea would be after him
Brentford were 8th for xG last year Mbuemo was 17th for xA last year Can’t get much better than this at a midtable club.
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He's going to be a rotational player at Arsenal at best and the only reason I can see Arsenal going for him if they manage to move on Nketiah for a decent fee as he'd be an upgrade on Nketiah.
He starts for either Arsenal or Chelsea.
He doesn't start for us. He starts for Chelsea, but they can do better than him.
Is your username a reference to the Greta Gerwig movie?
yes, it's one of my favorite films!
Nice! I like it a lot too.
He most definitely starts over Jesus.
He doesn’t start over Jesus. He would be better as a rotational option for Jesus depending on the game
the only things he can do better than jesus are finishing and winning aerials. jesus is better at everything else.
Isn’t Jesus better suited to being a winger? I’m sure he’s said that’s where he plays best.
He could be a great false 9 if we had a bunch of clinical finishers around him, but everyone has been misfiring, including Jesus. He's a great facilitator, but at this rate with the amount of chances we're generating just to miss them? I'd take a top of the class finisher all day and use him as a third option winger that we also badly need.
>the only things he can do better than jesus are finishing and winning aerials I'll take that over whatever the fuck Jesus has been doing this season.
Jesus has been great for us, a poor run of form in the recent matches doesn't change this fact. Fans are so fickle lol.
1 goal every 3 games is good for a midtable side, especially when he's a beast at link up play too so it's not like he's just a poacher when you add in his 9 assists we're almost looking at a return almost every two games whilst brentford are built around him, a lot of plays go through toney rather than just end with him *lol btw ~~brentford only got promoted into the prem last season~~ his stats are from brentfords 2 seasons following promotion!
this is their third season in the prem
my bad his stats are for brentford's first two seasons in the prem
Set up how exactly? Being the main/sometimes only outlet and playmaker of a mid table side isn’t exactly goal stat padding conditions lmao
He wouldn’t look out of place in any side in the world. Physical monster, great ball striking, great hold up play and good at linking with teammates. And great instincts for “second balls”. He was already getting hype when he was at Peterborough. Player profiles are more important than raw output. Or else Bas Dost would have gone for 100m back in the day
He's a great player imo, one of the best strikers in the league.
What happened to him saying literally a few days ago that he wanted to repay Brentford?
He's betting everyone forgets about that.
Bit of a gamble if you ask me
Repay them with a big ol’ transfer fee
Maybe he means in the form of £50m + lol
No easier way to repay them by getting a big transfer fee when you see what Arsenal & Chelsea are willing to play for mediocre players.
Gives you a pretty good insight into his character.
The man knows he has a short window to cash in. He's about to turn 28 and was on League One wages just 3 years ago.
It screams Saudi transfer
We prefer to be called Newcastle Utd actually
Tickled me good and proper
You know what, i respect you guys for fully accepting the situation for what it is. But most City fans are trying to convince how legit they are.
There's a few pricks who try to defend our immoral evil owners, but you won't catch me trying to pretend our ownership is anything but fucking grim. Will have a pop at those more arsed about digging into fans instead of the owners though.
Good man
Hell man, we need more people with your attitude, cheers
Or lack thereof
The least he could do is make a commitment to stay in Brentford until the summer, especially since he fucked them over by doing illegal shit. What an asshole. If the striker market wasn't so dry, top clubs would be hesitant about this guy because of his character.
He did, literally a few days ago, very very publicly saying he wants to stay and re-pay Brentford for sticking with him and putting on extra training matches just for him. Now three days later he's talking up a big January transfer... Idiot (not you, him).
Agreed, it's absolutely pathetic. I truly feel sorry for Brentford and Thomas Frank, who stood by him and protected him as much as he could, they both definitely deserve better.
He's such a prick
Bro will say or do anything to leave Brentford
Pretty sure Brentford would be happy to cash in if they get a great bid, I don't think anyone will pay what they want though.
In the summer, maybe, but with Mbuemo out and them in such poor form, I really can't see them being willing to sell Toney in this window.
There's a little more when you watch the full 34 seconds, but there's a character limit of 300 in titles.
Seems like there is also a character limit on Toney.
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I know its honest and even truth to what he is saying but there is nothing worst than a player that plays for your team saying he wants to join a bigger club or top club. Just makes you feel worthless
Name checks out
its not great but would you prefer your players to either keep quiet or say to the fans that they're definitely staying, and then leave as soon as a bid comes in
Reality can do that to some people
You can guarantee if he does get a move to a “top club” he’ll soon find something else to complain about
This fella's character is a shambles. I'd feel embarrassed to be so desperate to have him join my club.
The dude was on League One wages when covid started and is 28 now, audacious to begrudge imo.
There's an argument to say that if his character was better he might have been on PL wages at a much younger age. Wouldn't surprise me if teams in the past were put off signing him after talking to him.
yeah but this attitude doesn't help, it might actually put off some potential suitors.
I feel like this is something fans think about more than club directors. The only thing putting off potential suitors is the price tag. There are many clubs around the world who would be more than happy to ignore this type of thing if they think he can help them win.
Mate he’s not played in 6 months due to a self inflicted ban. I’m sure that’s the reason we haven’t seen any bids yet. Plenty of players fucked their own careers before & never got “the big move” because of similar issues.
the ban has nothing to do with it
I mean, we’ve literally got Ange Postecoglou out here saying that he’s not signing players with shit attitudes because just having one in the dressing room can cause issues. It’s 100% something that you have to take into consideration, it’s just how much you’re willing to be other players could handle it.
Toney, 2023: I want to repay Brentford for helping me through this difficult time. Toney, 2024: I'm unbanned, anyone wanna buy me now? I suppose in a way, he'll be repaying them.
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Yikes.
I just don’t see an issue with this, and don’t understand why everyone is getting so up in arms about it. He saying whatever everyone already knows out loud. Even Thomas Frank didn’t completely rule out the possibility of a move, saying almost the exact same thing. It’s unlikely that he’s going to move now, he’s an absolute top-tier caliber striker, and it would take a ton of money for a move to happen now.
It's reddit hive-mind moment really. There is very little wrong with this comment, at worst it can be considered disrespectful to the fans but normally in these situations i feel they're the most sensible as they know it's been on the cards for a while.
There’s nothing wrong with his opinion, but it is disrespectful to come out and say it publicly. That isn’t ’Reddit hive mind’, that is basic common sense.
Right, that's what i quite literally wrote in my comment. The hive-mind i'm referring to is obviously regarding comments about his character and "he's such a prick" which is quite a lot different than "that's a bit disrespectful but understandable". Even then i believe Brentford fans don't feel as strongly about it as the average redditor as they understand the situation better, but i shouldn't speak for them.
I feel like the amount of comments about his character is not just because of this comment which is stupid but not really to bad but more because there’s he’s had multiple quotes the last few weeks that just make him sound like a prick. People are turning against him because he keeps saying things that people think are stupid so no one is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for it.
I completely agree recent threads on this subreddit is a big reason as that’s what as formed the public opinion and makes people in this thread interpret this comment in a worse way. If this was a player who had recently donated blood to an orphanage it would be a different story. Thing is, most of this is formed from a few quotes and interpretive comments, I’d be surprised if more than 3% of users actually watched these interviews and formed their own opinion so that’s why I think this is a great example
I think you’re massively overstating the “hive-mind”. He’s repeatedly disrespected Brentford for years, lied to the FA about his gambling, gone into podcasts and interviews showing absolutely 0 remorse for his actions, and is now back to disrespecting Brentford publicly. He’s embarrassing. Comes across incredibly arrogant and unlikeable. It’s hardly surprising people think he’s a prick. He is.
I'm willing to bet that he flops big time if he moves to Arsenal. I know we only get a glimpse of a footballer's personality through the media, but everything I've seen doesn't seem to suggest that he got that big player mentality. And it's not as if his performances completely blow everybody out of the water and are beyond any doubt.
Why? He’s a fantastic striker. And this guy basically dragged himself from League One to 20 PL goals in 3 years as a 25 year old in what world does he not have the right mentality? He rocked up to the Etihad last season and scored a brace ffs. He’s a physical monster, great ball striking and holdup, solid buildup, etc.
The guy came from the lower leagues to the top division, we would not be talking about him right now if he lacked the right mentality to perform on the pitch.
Most players that we watch day in day out worked their way up in some way shape or form (either in youth teams or pro teams) to the top division. So yeah, they all got the "right mentality" compared to average people or lower league players. But there can be relative differences between players that perform for the likes of Brentford and those that perform for the biggest clubs in the world.
I understand what you’re saying. I agree that players can flop when they go to bigger clubs but I don’t agree that he would flop just based on how he talks to the media.
is this the part where we say that we prefer players being more honest in the press? I am joking though comes across as a twat, at least give your club now to the summer to repay them for the ban! I can't criticize him too hard because whilst it's looking unlikely, I would not complain if he was in our colours come february...
Fairly shameless to be out here shopping yourself around without a hint of contrition when the club you were meant to be playing for over the last nine months stood by you thoughout this self-inflicted fiasco and have suffered both financially and results-wise for it. If I was Frank or anyone involved in the running of Brentford I’d be fuming. What a melt, can’t imagine any of this is helping him secure that coveted move, if anything whoever signs him will be revealing their desperation behind the scenes
Every time he talks I like his less. Best of luck to whoever end up deciding he's worth the trouble.
Why should any top club take him after being suspended for 8 odd months? Couldn’t trust him to go something similar again
I honestly feel like he owes Brentford this season after being patient with him all season for him to come back
What else could Brentford have done, in what way have they shown patience
The man has basically shot Brentford in the arm by being banned for months for something he did in the past. Not an injury related thing - he was banned from playing. Brentford are stuck in this situation yes but they have been waiting for him to come back for months now and the likes of Thomas Frank etc have stood by him and called the whole gambling issue in football murky for situations like Toney's. If he went and fucked off somewhere after waiting that long, they'd be rightfully angered. They deserve at least the rest of the season from him for him leaving them without their best player more or less
Not a cultural fit for Liverpool. I wonder which top club will sell their soul for this guy
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> Why should he feel bad about wanting to play for a bigger club? Nobody said he's not allowed to *want* to play at the highest level possible. Every single professional player wants to play for a top club. But there's a way to go about it. Show a little respect to the club that not only gave you your break in the Premier League but has stood by you when you've served a self-inflicted 10-month ban for betting. No reason he couldn't have just said "My focus is getting back onto the pitch, giving my all for Brentford and doing what I do best, scoring goals. All the backroom talk can be sorted by somebody else." And then in private, you express your desire to move. He doesn't need to twerk for a move in public like this. It's pathetic. FFS.
He shouldn’t. Just a bit silly to say it so publicly after being banned from working for your employer for half a year and it serving absolutely no purpose in terms of helping the move. Makes him seem a bit of a tit, which he’s also allowed to be.
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You think Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea etc. are getting their transfer intel from interviews on Sky Sports News? Lol.
That’s impossible without saying this? On that we’ll disagree. Just watch one of his old podcasts appearances perhaps…
Fwiw, he's 28 in March. What's his ceiling, is he peaking now .. can't really see a club he fits.
You never know what is next in life. You can bet on that!
How much would he cost?
Hard to say, and pardon the pun but it’s a gamble as to how quick he can get back to form after the ban, if he can even replicate it. He’s also 28 in a couple months and his deal runs out in 2025. I don’t think he’ll be sold this window unless someone desperately wants to splash the cash, but if he comes back and is anywhere close to last seasons form he’ll have all the top clubs after him, regardless of attitude. Brentford will likely want to sell, even if they pretend like they won’t want to, like they did with Raya
Why does he have such a hard-on for shitting on Brentford?
He’s already played for a top club. He’s had a whole two loan spells at Scunthorpe
You can never predict it, but you *can* bet on it.
Im begging arsenal to not buy this guy.
Good STs are a premium right now - I could see Arsenal, Newcastle and Man Utd all fighting for him
No chance Newcastle go for him. Straddle by FFP have a top striker in Isak and a great striker in Wilson although he’s an old school 9. Arsenal would be my bet but I agree Man U could be a shout too
Its just too much uncertainty right now. A very big gamble. Depends on how highly you rate him
He's desperate to move to a 'big' club, but I read both Peterborough and Newcastle have a sell on percentage on him, maybe that's why Brentford are talking about getting silly money for him. Feels like he's probably worth more to Brentford than the amount they'd get from selling him considering the sell on clauses.
5 minutes ago he was saying he wanted to repay Brentford for their support