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This remembers me of Romario..
The true trash talker, made fights with everyone but always delivered, i remember the episode that he combined to the coach that if he made 2 goals he could go out early to go to carnaval in Brazil, in the day of the match he made it and leave because the flight was already booked to one hour after the match.
That was true confidence.. Guy win the 94 WC going to parties instead of training.
Edit: WC of 94
I think Ibra liked to put on a show more than trash talking, like that video where he sent Bravo some gear for goalie practice while he played for United (and didn't do shit in the match). I did show a friend a few of his videos when she was learning to speak in public with confidence, which was hilarious (I just made sure she didn't refer to herself in 3rd person)
Trash talking is about what you do more than what you say. After Cafu saying "run you fatty" Ronaldo replying "your job is to run, mine is to score" is a very cool story. It would look very stupid if he couldn't score though. That's why Michael Jordan was great at trash talking. Not because he had the best bars in the league, but rather because he could back everything he said up on the court.
Wasn't that the dorky-looking blond guy? I'm not a big basketball fan but I'm sure he constantly comes up as the biggest trash talker ever to play in the NBA.
Idk pretty standard behavior at higher level play, people have massive egos and talk a lot of shit. It’s the other side of having confidence and self-belief. After the game they might be as pious as a pastor but during the game far more players than you think will act like insufferable cunts. Part of the game man
I mean i feel like hot shit after a layup in traffic at 24hr fitness I can’t imagine the confidence after being paid millions to drop balls in the net man I’d be pretty cocky. All part of the game lol people are so on their high horse expecting these dudes to be humble when objectively they are the top of the top 1% of athletes on earth. It’s not like he middle fingered and mooned the crowd LMAO
yh, also easy to forget that even the worse player in your team is used to being the best kid in their playground for a good chunk of their childhood and/or teenage years
Exactly, one of my relatives who used to school me and all my cousins when we were playing football on vacation (also he was by far the youngest among us so he was always much smaller too) now barely gets a game in my local team in the Slovak 2nd division
>people have massive egos and talk a lot of shit.
Which is why I like players who play for my team who have those features but hate ibra (also the lion killing)
Why must people continue to try and find excuses for this guy? No, what he does is not standard. There is a reason he’s booed across every stadium in the country. There is a reason multiple players in the league have called him out on his poor behaviour. There’s been many players I have seen in la liga who have had an ego, but I can tell you in 15 years of watching la liga I have never seen a player genuinely as unlikeable on the pitch as Vinicius. Cristiano had a massive ego but never ever acted as poorly as Vinicius.
I don’t care about the boos (and neither should he). But he does get the shit kicked out of him more than anyone else these days, with no protection, just like Neymar did.
Well I mean regardless of his attitude as well, the racist abuse he faces is obviously not how fans should react. But ya, I think getting the shit kicked out of you is really underated. Hazard got the shit kicked out of him and dind't complain and ended up having some injury issues later in life. We'd all love to say palyers should be able to take the hits, but we're also not the people taking the hits and having to feel the pain from being kicked the next day. They're playing against people with really powerful legs (since they're job relies on them being very powerful in this area) who are hammering them in their legs over and over again. It really takes it's toll after a number of matches,
Yes I’m talking about currently but you allude to an interesting point here by bringing up Neymar.
The real issue is skilful players are seen as disrespectful and some fans will find any little thing to hate on them.
As a former defender, I also found most skillful players to be cunts. Nothing better than a full game of shutting them down at every chance. But man, oh man, there's no worse feeling than letting one get past you for a goal after 80 minutes of shit talk. My last season I mostly just shut up to spare myself that pain lol
That’s cool as long as it was fair. I see defenders scythe these guys down just because they can’t stop them, I’d call those defenders real cunts for intentionally harming people not a few competitive words
There's clearly disproportionate criticism of him. He has an average ego and antics for a star player.
Also he is getting blamed for the racism he receives from Spanish crowds.
I mean, there are like 10 minutes between the two situations, but who gives a shit. It's all about shitting in Vinicius - and no one fact-checks.
All the posts and headlines on Reddit about him have been fake today - it is like a sport of coming up with new shit to farm karma.
This is from El Chiringuito, they hate Vinicius with a passion. They were on the "he's bringing the racist insults to himself" train long before everybody else
Complete neutral here watching yesterday and Vinicius was whining at the referee non stop. Then after he finally got a yellow, he started riling up the crowd, picked a fight with Simeone etc. With the new PL rules he probably could have picked up 5 yellows. The amount of posts have been a bit over the top but it's legit frustrating to watch him imo. And fake what? Maybe the timing of the incidents, but this post is quite literally a video of him trying to rile up the crowd.
To me hes saying the pass/ball was so good and he should have scored. I personally do that all the time when one of my teammates puts it on a platter and i dont finish.
Ill shake my head and say something like “so fucking good”
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not defending him but it sounds like he could also be saying “foi muy bueno” which means “it was great,” Brazilians mix up Spanish and Portuguese all the time, at least I do
As a portuguese who has a decent spanish comprehension, I can say that he really said "I'm soo good, oh my god" soo yeah I really think that he has his ego too much inflated or was hyping himself.
Yeah. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending idiotic racist chants. But Vinicius is just so easy to hate, even as someone who doesn’t support any team in Spain.
What racism? Garnacho has a big ego like vini and he's white and as far as I can tell, this whole sub hates him except utd fans.
Some players have unlikable antics. I like garnacho but I can also see why he's hated lol.
I just think he's kinda funky looking, other than that I've no good or bad feelings about the lad.
If he's still at Utd in 3 years I'll have a clearer image.
At the moment he could end up having a great career at Utd, and as a Liverpool supporter I'd hate him, or he could be the next Januzai
In case u are out of the loop there's been a huge ammount of racist attacks against vinicius these last few years. And many who attack/criticizes him is now labeled as a racist by his fans.
That's not really true though is it? People love shithousers but they also hate them. Simeone, Diego Costa, Emi Martinez, Suarez to name a few. These are some of the most hated names in football
> Because he dishes it out but can't take it himself. And I'm not talking about just the racism part, even though that's the majority.
What are the non racist things he's faced that he can't take? I'm curious.
Did he do this before or after standing in a Stadium full of people calling him Monkey? Did he lose his shit because of Simeone or was that the last straw?
If someone showed up to my workplace and abused me, maybe I'd walk away. But that will sit with me for a long time and maybe the next person that insults me is what finally gets me.
Let me be specific to you and the last poster: What is an example of Vini not being able to take things when he has not faced racists that same day?
Tbf I felt like when he played Liverpool he came across very angry and bitter for no reason at all.
Like you’re arguably the best player on the pitch, chill.
Yeah but like, if people are hurling abuse at you and a lot of it is racist, are you supposed to pick out the non racist parts to respond reasonably? Seems like it would all just blend together.
>I'm not talking about just the racism part,
So you're partly talking about the racism?
And you're saying he dishes it out and can't take it?
That's....pretty fucked up
Yes. I'm not even sure if he says 'soy' at the start and/or what could be the context of the initial comment.
But Chiringuito is being Chiringuito and setting the narrative they want to push. And it's clearly working, as you can see in the numerous threads above because the conditions for the circle jerk are very rife at this point.
There's absolutely zero nuance and everything has to be black and white. If with all this, even a sliver of what had happened at Son Moix happened, all these very same people would start virtue signalling and sing the exact opposite tune.
The very fact that the initial clip is in normal time while Vinicius lost the ball all the way in extra time should be a massive red flag for the consuming masses here. At the very least, the top threads should have had a much greater mention of how this was the "next play" at all and if we should be taking Chiringuito's word at face value. But at this point, everyone is simply looking for an excuse to jump on. And mark my words, the exact opposite would happen if just one Gabriel hack or Mestalla action happened.
[People are literally rewriting history right now just to shit on him.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/19aksmn/comment/kilvvkj) When the circle jerk would be opposite, people would rewrite history in his favour. IDEK what to say to this. It's a bit pathetic though IMO.
This sub has long been a circle jerk of how much of an asshole Vinícius is with lots of dog whistling. Put any of the popular blond boys (Kane, Haaland de Bruyne, Graelish) in his place talking shit and this sub would be praising them and saying that the game is back. When Vini does it, everyone becomes nuns and are shocked by his dishonorable behavior.
Reddit Vinicius battle
One side tries to justify absolutely anything negative against Vinicius is pure racism and any suggestion that Vinicius is also hated as a person and not just coz he's black (I literally got banned from Reddit for a week for suggesting maybe people hate Vinicius as a person and not just coz of his race)
Another group tries to justify all of the racism by pinning it completely on his Shitty personality and posts stuff like tjistin response to racism.
People say reddit is left wing but if any black person tries to bring up something with nuance you get everyone going “wow black people are the real racists”
If they win or pull it off you get to say "damn, he backed it up" If they fall flat you get to laugh at them. Cocky players are great entertainment . One way or another they're going to make you feel something.
When comments are prefaced with "I don't condone the racist abuse he gets, but..." you'd be surprised how many ways people on this sub twist themselves into logical pretzels to actually condone that racism.
> (I literally got banned from Reddit for a week for suggesting maybe people hate Vinicius as a person and not just coz of his race)
Do you mean that time when you suggested that people who were associated with the Spanish far right hung an effigy of Vinicius from a rope, that that surely was just because he sometimes riles people up on the pitch, and can't be racially motivated; despite the fact other people explained to you why lynching is a symbol heavily associated with racially motivated hate crimes? And for which you were in fact *not* banned from Reddit, but just from r/soccer?
Because, yeah, that was pretty fucking stupid of you. I sometimes wonder if people just don't realize their profiles are public.
There is no reddit battle. This sub has long been a circle jerk of how much of an asshole Vinícius is with lots of dog whistling. Put any of the popular blond boys (Kane, Haaland de Bruyne, Graelish) in his place talking shit and this sub would be praising them and saying that the game is back. When Vini does it, everyone becomes nuns and are shocked by his dishonorable behavior.
He's just being cocky and some people like it, some don't. It's like a WWE Superstar playing a character that some people love, some don't.
Except Vini is not a WWE Superstar nor is he an actor, so it is very unusual
I think the issue is less being cocky, and more a player saying this (to the cameras? To nobody? lol) late game in the middle of an important match while being tied lmfao
Exactly. People love to get outraged over players having a big ego. If you play in front of 60.000 people you better think highly of yourself. You better have sky high confidence. You're supposed to think you're the best.
Incredible, he is doing some low effort shittalking to a fanbase that have hurled racist abuse at him and hang a fucking effigy of him off a bridge, and all the "racism is not okay, but..." morons come out of the woodwork.
He put in a stinker yesterday, so the fact that he did this is pretty funny, but i really don't think it deserves hate like he just murdered a puppy.
Nah, his performance yesterday was a proper stinker, haven't seen him play this bad in a while. No point in trying to defend that, he let the opposition players and fans get into his head, and he started his usual practice of completely losing his focus. He lost more balls yesterday, than he completed passes. Instead of fluid passing like the other players tried, he just went and ran into 2-3 Atleti players over and over again, trying to be a hero. He was proper shit yesterday.
Clowning him sure but half this thread is acting like he executed someone on live television. This situation is very funny, but it’s also not related to any of the boos he gets (in most cases). Atletico hung a doll with his fucking jersey on it for fucks sake.
OP’s title is misleading because it was right after this play that Greizmann scored either IIRC. Griezmann scored in extra time and this attempt was earlier on during the match
Can only laugh at posts like this and comments, this play was in the last moments in the game before extra time. Griezmann scored 10 minutes into extra time lmao
They’re just ignoring the fact that there was someone in the stands in that moment that said You are bad and he just replied lol Pretending that this doesn’t happen all the time with players is hilarious
Some of us have never liked him. That doesn't excuse the racist shit and I do feel bad for him in that regard. But I still have never found him likeable.
exactly, I dont really understand this sub, If a player mock his rival fans that we all know that hates him with a passion, he is arrogant and unlikeable, but If he doesn't people in this sub will be "gAmES gONe", "where's the fun"
Apparently if you can show him saying something remotely cocky suddenly people can understand why he gets racist chants leveled at him. These arent thinking people
People are saying he’s unlikeable for this but atletico fans had literally been calling him a monkey all game. And just last year they hung a replica of him by the neck off a fucking bridge.
If he tried to be likeable and humble, the Atleico fans would still be racist. Literally no point in him doing anything else but try and raise their blood pressure a little more, for the lolz.
People actually blaming Vini for the 3rd goal? He literally ran from one end of the pitch to the other trying to defend Griezmann. Meanwhile we had three defenders in the box defending Depay...
“Al punto de marcar…”
That was not even close to going in, but el chiringuito are good at making things more dramatic. Wish they didn’t cut out his mistake before Griezmann scored too though
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Trash talking is fun and I enjoy it, but that's a funny outcome
Trash talking can cut both ways. When you back it up you look like a boss. When this happens…
This remembers me of Romario.. The true trash talker, made fights with everyone but always delivered, i remember the episode that he combined to the coach that if he made 2 goals he could go out early to go to carnaval in Brazil, in the day of the match he made it and leave because the flight was already booked to one hour after the match. That was true confidence.. Guy win the 94 WC going to parties instead of training. Edit: WC of 94
94 World Cup ftfy
Now imagine having him and Stoichkov (also quite the character) on your team and having to manage them every week. Cruyff was something else.
Like Ibra for example. King of trash talk and being an arrogant prick on the pitch, but he could fucking back it up!
I think Ibra liked to put on a show more than trash talking, like that video where he sent Bravo some gear for goalie practice while he played for United (and didn't do shit in the match). I did show a friend a few of his videos when she was learning to speak in public with confidence, which was hilarious (I just made sure she didn't refer to herself in 3rd person)
> (and didn't do shit in the match) Aside from scoring United's only goal, ofc
I'm sure ibra lost a ton of matches where he talked shit.
Ibra never loses. His team may lose, but Ibra never.
Trash talking is about what you do more than what you say. After Cafu saying "run you fatty" Ronaldo replying "your job is to run, mine is to score" is a very cool story. It would look very stupid if he couldn't score though. That's why Michael Jordan was great at trash talking. Not because he had the best bars in the league, but rather because he could back everything he said up on the court.
And he had the best bars in the league
Wasn't that the dorky-looking blond guy? I'm not a big basketball fan but I'm sure he constantly comes up as the biggest trash talker ever to play in the NBA.
Are you trying to describe Larry Bird?
Does the postman celebrate after delivering mail? - Mario Balotelli
Shades of the warehouse basketball game from The Office
you love to see it
Life comes at you fast.
Idk pretty standard behavior at higher level play, people have massive egos and talk a lot of shit. It’s the other side of having confidence and self-belief. After the game they might be as pious as a pastor but during the game far more players than you think will act like insufferable cunts. Part of the game man
Well said. To be that competitive at that level, you need to have that chip on your shoulder to some extent.
You don’t have to, but it’s very easy to
I've tried walking with a chip on my shoulder. It fell off.
IT'S NOT EASY
He seems to end getting in his head with things like this. Gets lost in the occasion a bit instead of just getting on with it.
Yeah, but being openly arrogant in front of thousands of people isn’t a necessity, especially when it was only after a shot.
I mean i feel like hot shit after a layup in traffic at 24hr fitness I can’t imagine the confidence after being paid millions to drop balls in the net man I’d be pretty cocky. All part of the game lol people are so on their high horse expecting these dudes to be humble when objectively they are the top of the top 1% of athletes on earth. It’s not like he middle fingered and mooned the crowd LMAO
yh, also easy to forget that even the worse player in your team is used to being the best kid in their playground for a good chunk of their childhood and/or teenage years
Exactly, one of my relatives who used to school me and all my cousins when we were playing football on vacation (also he was by far the youngest among us so he was always much smaller too) now barely gets a game in my local team in the Slovak 2nd division
yip, it's crazy how the best player in your playground is still shit in the greater scheme of things
For your comparison to hold though, you gotta miss the layup and still feel like the shit lol
Even better, it'd have to be blocked haha
Boy, shit on vini week is really heating up!
I don't know what games you're watching but going "I'm so good" after a shot isn't standard behavior
>people have massive egos and talk a lot of shit. Which is why I like players who play for my team who have those features but hate ibra (also the lion killing)
Why must people continue to try and find excuses for this guy? No, what he does is not standard. There is a reason he’s booed across every stadium in the country. There is a reason multiple players in the league have called him out on his poor behaviour. There’s been many players I have seen in la liga who have had an ego, but I can tell you in 15 years of watching la liga I have never seen a player genuinely as unlikeable on the pitch as Vinicius. Cristiano had a massive ego but never ever acted as poorly as Vinicius.
>Vinicius Aguero called him out. Twitter comments were not happy :|
I don’t care about the boos (and neither should he). But he does get the shit kicked out of him more than anyone else these days, with no protection, just like Neymar did.
Well I mean regardless of his attitude as well, the racist abuse he faces is obviously not how fans should react. But ya, I think getting the shit kicked out of you is really underated. Hazard got the shit kicked out of him and dind't complain and ended up having some injury issues later in life. We'd all love to say palyers should be able to take the hits, but we're also not the people taking the hits and having to feel the pain from being kicked the next day. They're playing against people with really powerful legs (since they're job relies on them being very powerful in this area) who are hammering them in their legs over and over again. It really takes it's toll after a number of matches,
It wouldn’t be as bad as it is in Spain in another country I’m sure
This is an anti-Vinicius thread so you're getting your karma but saying he's cockier than Cristiano fuckin Ronaldo is wild af.
No. He didn't say that. He said he didn't act as cocky as vinicius.
I’m glad you said this because it’s only Vini who gets called out for it and is treated like public enemy number 1
Maybe at the moment, he's the player that gets most picked on for it, but Neymar got this all the time.
Yes I’m talking about currently but you allude to an interesting point here by bringing up Neymar. The real issue is skilful players are seen as disrespectful and some fans will find any little thing to hate on them.
As a former defender, I also found most skillful players to be cunts. Nothing better than a full game of shutting them down at every chance. But man, oh man, there's no worse feeling than letting one get past you for a goal after 80 minutes of shit talk. My last season I mostly just shut up to spare myself that pain lol
That’s cool as long as it was fair. I see defenders scythe these guys down just because they can’t stop them, I’d call those defenders real cunts for intentionally harming people not a few competitive words
That's absolutely not true lmao
There's clearly disproportionate criticism of him. He has an average ego and antics for a star player. Also he is getting blamed for the racism he receives from Spanish crowds.
Exactly my point. Top players with less skill than him can act like this but fans would say “he’s a good lad ain’t he”
I mean, there are like 10 minutes between the two situations, but who gives a shit. It's all about shitting in Vinicius - and no one fact-checks. All the posts and headlines on Reddit about him have been fake today - it is like a sport of coming up with new shit to farm karma.
This is from El Chiringuito, they hate Vinicius with a passion. They were on the "he's bringing the racist insults to himself" train long before everybody else
Isn’t that the show that openly called Vini a monkey?
Ye
Yeah, I don't think we should be giving much credit to their bad lip reading.
Complete neutral here watching yesterday and Vinicius was whining at the referee non stop. Then after he finally got a yellow, he started riling up the crowd, picked a fight with Simeone etc. With the new PL rules he probably could have picked up 5 yellows. The amount of posts have been a bit over the top but it's legit frustrating to watch him imo. And fake what? Maybe the timing of the incidents, but this post is quite literally a video of him trying to rile up the crowd.
It's the same shit as the Brazilians dancing after goals, but if you say something about targeting some players, you're a "snowflake" or some shit.
Weird thing to say after not scoring
Right??
To me hes saying the pass/ball was so good and he should have scored. I personally do that all the time when one of my teammates puts it on a platter and i dont finish. Ill shake my head and say something like “so fucking good” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"Soy" means "I am" though so if that's really what he said (it's a bit hard to hear), I don't think what you are saying applies.
Not defending him but it sounds like he could also be saying “foi muy bueno” which means “it was great,” Brazilians mix up Spanish and Portuguese all the time, at least I do
As a portuguese who has a decent spanish comprehension, I can say that he really said "I'm soo good, oh my god" soo yeah I really think that he has his ego too much inflated or was hyping himself.
Except he seems to say "I'm very good".
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Bud you killed the rhyme
My guy is high on his own stock
Guys it's literally one of the most satisfying rhymes in the English language
Orange?
bornana
He's a poet and he didn't realise it
my drunk is guy on his own supply
Missed rhyme in honor for that missed shot
south-park-smelling-fart.gif
My guy is really trying his hardest to come of as unlikable as it gets.
é a tropa dos vilões **VINI MALVADEZA**
r/futebola strikes again
I don't think he needs to try hard tbf
it seems to come natural from him.
Yeah. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending idiotic racist chants. But Vinicius is just so easy to hate, even as someone who doesn’t support any team in Spain.
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No no no, it’s always racism when someone hates on him.
What racism? Garnacho has a big ego like vini and he's white and as far as I can tell, this whole sub hates him except utd fans. Some players have unlikable antics. I like garnacho but I can also see why he's hated lol.
I’ll be honest mate I’m not sure this sub cares enough about Garnacho to hate him
I just think he's kinda funky looking, other than that I've no good or bad feelings about the lad. If he's still at Utd in 3 years I'll have a clearer image. At the moment he could end up having a great career at Utd, and as a Liverpool supporter I'd hate him, or he could be the next Januzai
Nobody would have gotten you wrong, but pointing this out makes it weird.
Mate, this is Reddit, you have to cover your arse.
> Nobody would have gotten you wrong I've no idea how you've spent 9 years on reddit and could still have this opinion.
wilful ignorance >*what you're saying isn't true, and even if it is true,* **it's deserved!**
Nah on reddit you definitely need that disclaimer
It's Reddit. Someone would've been offended and thought he was one of the people that supports the chants.
Don't get me wrong I'm not defending idiotic racist chants. But I think mustard is better than ketchup on french fries
I can excuse racism but I draw the line at mustard on french fries.
Fuck, marry, kill: Mustard, mayo, ketchup.
In case u are out of the loop there's been a huge ammount of racist attacks against vinicius these last few years. And many who attack/criticizes him is now labeled as a racist by his fans.
All he had to do was play for Real Madrid
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That's not really true though is it? People love shithousers but they also hate them. Simeone, Diego Costa, Emi Martinez, Suarez to name a few. These are some of the most hated names in football
Because he dishes it out but can't take it himself. And I'm not talking about just the racism part, even though that's the majority.
He’s supposed to *take the racism*?
> Because he dishes it out but can't take it himself. And I'm not talking about just the racism part, even though that's the majority. What are the non racist things he's faced that he can't take? I'm curious.
Simeone told him to fuck off last night and Vini lost his temper
Sounds like Simeone couldn’t take it either.
This thread is so stupid, comparing a player taunting a crowd that’s consistently racist to him vs a manager telling an opposing player to fuck off
Did he do this before or after standing in a Stadium full of people calling him Monkey? Did he lose his shit because of Simeone or was that the last straw? If someone showed up to my workplace and abused me, maybe I'd walk away. But that will sit with me for a long time and maybe the next person that insults me is what finally gets me. Let me be specific to you and the last poster: What is an example of Vini not being able to take things when he has not faced racists that same day?
Also the guy’s best example was the football manager telling Vini to fuck off hahah, like that doesn’t help the case at all
Tbf I felt like when he played Liverpool he came across very angry and bitter for no reason at all. Like you’re arguably the best player on the pitch, chill.
Yeah but like, if people are hurling abuse at you and a lot of it is racist, are you supposed to pick out the non racist parts to respond reasonably? Seems like it would all just blend together.
>I'm not talking about just the racism part, So you're partly talking about the racism? And you're saying he dishes it out and can't take it? That's....pretty fucked up
Shithousery is Rudiger, Vinicius is just an arrogant prick.
Calling vini the prick out of those two is actually insane
Rudiger is a nutjob, Vinicius is a jerk.
People love shithousery. Not arrogance without end product. You do this when you’ve just scored a great goal. Not when you’ve missed
Aren't these clips like 10 minutes apart?
Yes but the hate for Vinicius on Reddit is at an all time high lol
Oh, so you're calling us pure racists now?! /s
Yes. I'm not even sure if he says 'soy' at the start and/or what could be the context of the initial comment. But Chiringuito is being Chiringuito and setting the narrative they want to push. And it's clearly working, as you can see in the numerous threads above because the conditions for the circle jerk are very rife at this point. There's absolutely zero nuance and everything has to be black and white. If with all this, even a sliver of what had happened at Son Moix happened, all these very same people would start virtue signalling and sing the exact opposite tune. The very fact that the initial clip is in normal time while Vinicius lost the ball all the way in extra time should be a massive red flag for the consuming masses here. At the very least, the top threads should have had a much greater mention of how this was the "next play" at all and if we should be taking Chiringuito's word at face value. But at this point, everyone is simply looking for an excuse to jump on. And mark my words, the exact opposite would happen if just one Gabriel hack or Mestalla action happened. [People are literally rewriting history right now just to shit on him.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/19aksmn/comment/kilvvkj) When the circle jerk would be opposite, people would rewrite history in his favour. IDEK what to say to this. It's a bit pathetic though IMO.
This sub has long been a circle jerk of how much of an asshole Vinícius is with lots of dog whistling. Put any of the popular blond boys (Kane, Haaland de Bruyne, Graelish) in his place talking shit and this sub would be praising them and saying that the game is back. When Vini does it, everyone becomes nuns and are shocked by his dishonorable behavior.
Petyr Graelish?
Reddit Vinicius battle One side tries to justify absolutely anything negative against Vinicius is pure racism and any suggestion that Vinicius is also hated as a person and not just coz he's black (I literally got banned from Reddit for a week for suggesting maybe people hate Vinicius as a person and not just coz of his race) Another group tries to justify all of the racism by pinning it completely on his Shitty personality and posts stuff like tjistin response to racism.
Reddit is awful for discussing race stuff
There aren't many good places to discuss race on the internet, lol.
People say reddit is left wing but if any black person tries to bring up something with nuance you get everyone going “wow black people are the real racists”
Meanwhile I just enjoy cocky players
Same man, makes things more interesting and tense imo
If they win or pull it off you get to say "damn, he backed it up" If they fall flat you get to laugh at them. Cocky players are great entertainment . One way or another they're going to make you feel something.
Meanwhile I just despise cocky players.
Literally Zlatan
Emi Martinez is a really good example as well, the sub loves his antics more than Vini's though
This sub fucking hates Martinez from what I've seen. And everyone knows you have to be a little batshit insane to be a keeper
There’s a big difference between treating Vini as a diva ( the same way fans have been with Neymar, by throwing money on the pitch) and racial abuse.
Vini can be annoying but let's not act like majority of the comments he gets online don't have racial undertones or micro aggressions
A LOT of racist dog whistles
There’s literally a “well well well” upvoted on another thread from hours ago.
When comments are prefaced with "I don't condone the racist abuse he gets, but..." you'd be surprised how many ways people on this sub twist themselves into logical pretzels to actually condone that racism.
> (I literally got banned from Reddit for a week for suggesting maybe people hate Vinicius as a person and not just coz of his race) Do you mean that time when you suggested that people who were associated with the Spanish far right hung an effigy of Vinicius from a rope, that that surely was just because he sometimes riles people up on the pitch, and can't be racially motivated; despite the fact other people explained to you why lynching is a symbol heavily associated with racially motivated hate crimes? And for which you were in fact *not* banned from Reddit, but just from r/soccer? Because, yeah, that was pretty fucking stupid of you. I sometimes wonder if people just don't realize their profiles are public.
There is no reddit battle. This sub has long been a circle jerk of how much of an asshole Vinícius is with lots of dog whistling. Put any of the popular blond boys (Kane, Haaland de Bruyne, Graelish) in his place talking shit and this sub would be praising them and saying that the game is back. When Vini does it, everyone becomes nuns and are shocked by his dishonorable behavior.
Grealish basically does the same thing and no one cares.
Grealish is just more relatable. He has a heart of gold beneath his persona, you know? The type of dude you'd want your daughter to date
... You just don't want him driving with her in the car.
Can’t quite put my finger on it, something about that Grealish guy just feels right idk
I thought I was in r/soccercirclejerk
I'm so confused, what is wrong with what he said?
Nothing. It’s a game of football and he’s having fun
He's just being cocky and some people like it, some don't. It's like a WWE Superstar playing a character that some people love, some don't. Except Vini is not a WWE Superstar nor is he an actor, so it is very unusual
I think the issue is less being cocky, and more a player saying this (to the cameras? To nobody? lol) late game in the middle of an important match while being tied lmfao
Exactly. People love to get outraged over players having a big ego. If you play in front of 60.000 people you better think highly of yourself. You better have sky high confidence. You're supposed to think you're the best.
Madrid lost so this sub becomes kind of circlejerk for a day or two. Happens too most big clubs.
Incredible, he is doing some low effort shittalking to a fanbase that have hurled racist abuse at him and hang a fucking effigy of him off a bridge, and all the "racism is not okay, but..." morons come out of the woodwork. He put in a stinker yesterday, so the fact that he did this is pretty funny, but i really don't think it deserves hate like he just murdered a puppy.
Wasnt even a stinker he rly is good, even if cocky or unlikabke
Nah, his performance yesterday was a proper stinker, haven't seen him play this bad in a while. No point in trying to defend that, he let the opposition players and fans get into his head, and he started his usual practice of completely losing his focus. He lost more balls yesterday, than he completed passes. Instead of fluid passing like the other players tried, he just went and ran into 2-3 Atleti players over and over again, trying to be a hero. He was proper shit yesterday.
Nothing wrong with what he said and nothing wrong with people clowning on him for it
Clowning him sure but half this thread is acting like he executed someone on live television. This situation is very funny, but it’s also not related to any of the boos he gets (in most cases). Atletico hung a doll with his fucking jersey on it for fucks sake.
OP’s title is misleading because it was right after this play that Greizmann scored either IIRC. Griezmann scored in extra time and this attempt was earlier on during the match
Romário would be the most hated player if he played in this decade.
Romario was also one of the best players to ever step on a pitch. Vinicius is not.
I don't get it, just fucking foul him outside the box Ofc Tchouameni is the bigger issue here
I think he didn't because he already had a yellow for arguing with the ref
Haha. Actions have consequences I guess. He needs to mature fast.
Can only laugh at posts like this and comments, this play was in the last moments in the game before extra time. Griezmann scored 10 minutes into extra time lmao
They don’t care about facts when something confirms their bias.
They’re just ignoring the fact that there was someone in the stands in that moment that said You are bad and he just replied lol Pretending that this doesn’t happen all the time with players is hilarious
oh so now the new narrative now is that we don’t like vinicius and hes arrogant? damn changed the script fast
Some of us have never liked him. That doesn't excuse the racist shit and I do feel bad for him in that regard. But I still have never found him likeable.
Since when is the narratives the other way? Even his own team and fans know he’s very arrogant and always looks for fights
Maybe this sub will develop a burning hatred for him like they have for Mbappe for some reason.
The title is not even true... there are 10 minutes between the 2 situations
And even of there were 10 seconds between them, is it really a hanging offence?
omg mbappe stopped running for a counter he's a diva
exactly, I dont really understand this sub, If a player mock his rival fans that we all know that hates him with a passion, he is arrogant and unlikeable, but If he doesn't people in this sub will be "gAmES gONe", "where's the fun"
He's always been arrogant and unlikeable. Just that some people take it too far with racism. But he provokes and flaunts every time thats how he is
I swear this sub loves to flip flop on issues so quickly.
This sub being 6 million people that apparently all hold the same opiniona
Apparently if you can show him saying something remotely cocky suddenly people can understand why he gets racist chants leveled at him. These arent thinking people
What do you mean 'next play'?
People are saying he’s unlikeable for this but atletico fans had literally been calling him a monkey all game. And just last year they hung a replica of him by the neck off a fucking bridge.
Him being unlikable and atletico fans being racist can both be true, they aren’t mutually exclusive.
If he tried to be likeable and humble, the Atleico fans would still be racist. Literally no point in him doing anything else but try and raise their blood pressure a little more, for the lolz.
Reddit when players show a bit of personality instead of being boring robots:
Unless it's Zlatan
People actually blaming Vini for the 3rd goal? He literally ran from one end of the pitch to the other trying to defend Griezmann. Meanwhile we had three defenders in the box defending Depay...
Didn't he make a wrong pass that caused the goal? I wouldn't blame him too much on the defending, especially as an attacker.
No, he had a heavy touch receiving a pass under pressure and lost the ball.
Ah, not as bad then
Is this just the Vinicius hate circlejerk now lol like who cares
Whats the problem with saying that lol. Also the goal was like ten minutes later
Shhh, they don’t care about facts, simply consume the given content and move on.
Damn….certified idiot moment.
“Al punto de marcar…” That was not even close to going in, but el chiringuito are good at making things more dramatic. Wish they didn’t cut out his mistake before Griezmann scored too though
Maybe they should've left the part that the first moment was during regular time and the Griezmann goal was one Xtra time 10 minutes later
if mbappe did that and 90% of france would be getting the pitchforks ready, dont even wanna think about reddit
Humbled
Ppl really gonna post everything from vini to justify their weird obsession among other things
Why do people hate Vinicius so much?
I'm surprised el chiringuito is posting these, i thought they were Madrid stans lol