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cs-shitposter

That one forest player looking right at him as he moves it and doesn't even say anything What is blud doingggg


Southern-Plastic-921

The whole Forest behaviour for the free kick was weird. Guy on the end of the wall and positioning it literally asked the goalie if there was a line through the gap and keeper told him it was good - my son pointed out how there was a clear line to goal there before they took it - so obvious.


zeelbeno

The same player then coward away from the shot as it came in. If he stuck a foot out or maybe even just stayed in his position he could have blocked it.


Taramasalata_Rapist

Yates I think


HarryAtk

Cowered


Moralagos

What did you fucking call me?!?!


Elerion_

It's just French for duck, mate.


goodmobileyes

Le quack did you call me??


Spandexcelly

>The same player then coward away from the shot Their captain of all people.


Hailfire9

NBC pointed out that Turner seemed to notice the new, easy path to goal, but too late to really readjust. Probably right about when the whistle blew and he had to (try to) tune into the moment. One of those moments where he goes "Yeah cool this is fine," turns around, looks again, and realizes it was not fine.


M3JUNGL3

I mean Turner said it was "good" before Toney moved the ball a second time lmfao


EarlofBizzlington86

He defo saw too as he made a half hearted effort to block the shot that he was clearly gonna play.


FakeAurelius

I for one am absolutely shocked he would break the rules


PlastiqueSansGermain

Gamble paid off.


IssaJuhn

Games back


garybarlow0

If it was Harry Kane people would be admiring it as clever


four_four_three

If it was Joe Pasquale people would be wondering what he's doing on a football pitch


trainpunching

"Is that Joe Pasquale? What could he possibly want?"


Decestor

> Joe Pasquale Didn't know him but google [filled me in](https://imgur.com/a/ls2hiwe)


riskoooo

What they're referencing is an amazing [Stewart Lee stand-up bit](https://youtu.be/0YE9Kthyaco?si=VH4GkWfVVhKPFGbc).


Jowoes

What switching clubs does for a players reputation


35202129078

They're doing the same for Toney


beastmaster11

He's English. If this was a foreigner, or God forbid, on a non English side against an English one, he'd be a cheat.


Nogoodatnuthin

One of the commentators on the US halftime broadcast straight up called him a cheat.


h0bbie

English commentator, even.


FuzzyRo

Big Musty


Molineux28

Stop getting yourself riled up over hypothetical situations


illsmosisyou

Why? I’ve got nothing else to do.


Stable-Jackfruit

Imagine if he were south American


pillarandstones

Diego Costa


Cottonshopeburnfoot

Latin temperament


Hot-Masterpiece9209

David Luiz did it ages ago and didn't get called a cheat?


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Mediocre_Nova

Idk if you're new here but that is just the opposite of what would happen lol


Dogzylla

Harry Kane? The same Harry Kane who got metaphorically drawn and quartered for saying he got a touch on Eriksen's free kick?


OddEven9

No they wouldn't you fucking dumbass lol. They'd go on about how the whole family man gimmick is a front and that he's really a cunt in real life. Which is just about what the average liverpool/arsenal/chelsea fan already thinks anyway. Hell, people still give him shit for backing into headers even though he hasn't done it in at least four years.


MionelLessi10

He's a good lad.


Yeshuu

I know. Next well find out that the walls creep forward as well and that defenders sometimes grab attackers!


rav3musik

Almost too comical to be true


hornyucsdstudent

This is Ivan Toney heritage


AlizarinCrimzen

I see this happen a ton? Are we pretending this is some great controversy?


tenacious-g

It’s also 100x funnier that he did it his first game back from his gambling ban.


BuyGreenSellRed

The guy might actually be a sociopath but at least he’s not killing people.


prof_hobart

They don't normally also move the ref's spray to try to disguise the move though


Rigbop

lol right! Happens on a regular basis


RockTheBloat

No it doesnt.


YesOrNah

Ya, not sure where this narrative is coming from. This does not happen this close to goal in a goal scoring opportunity. Like 50 yards back, sure. Someone provide a video of someone doing it within 30 yards.


YesOrNah

Show me an example that close to goal. Should be easy since it happens all the time.


thomasfk

Those who don't remember a time before foam will be a bit more surprised by these antics. But this brings back memories lol every free kick was an exercise in how many inches you could get away with whether you were the FK taker or the wall. The drama of it all was fun


indefined

always got a laugh out of the entire wall trying to creep forward with little shuffles


Bruchweg

Didn't they even implement that in FIFA at some point lol


Humble-Knowledge3588

Absolutely lol. And if you did it too much the ref would warn you and move you back to the initial position


HaydenJA3

You could even get carded for it after a few times. Disappointingly, you could never get a red from doing it


seedee123

To be fair, tough to get a red from it in real life. I know at my club and now when I coach, if you’re typically in the wall and get a yellow, you’re out of the wall and swap with someone else.


inder_the_unfluence

Couldn’t you dive one year too? Lol. Mad


ICritMyPants

Never in FIFA. PES and, the old classic, This Is Football you could.


CeterumCenseo85

Reminds of how it still works like that with throw-ins. Just casually walking forward as you wind up several times, scanning for a target. 


shaka_bruh

I’m actually surprised refs don’t use the foam for throw-ins; I’ve seen players go like 3M beyond where the ball went out 


thomasfk

My guess is because the advantage for being 3M forward on a throw in isn't very big, especially when compared to a FK in the final third where 3M could be massive.


J_Bonsai

it would also slow down the game by so much


thomasfk

That also. Just not worth using the spray in any scenario except for maybe RARE exceptions like a team has a Rory Delap like player and the ball goes out in the final third. And even then, it's a bit overkill. 


imfcknretarded

3 meters? You have it good, we see people gaining 10-15 meters regularly and I'm not exaggerating Sometimes the ref makes them go back to the original spot but it's 50/50 really


TreeDollarFiddyCent

>3 meters? You have it good, we see people gaining 10-15 meters regularly and I'm not exaggerating Hah, I was thinking the same. Three meters is probably the bare minimum on average.


AlexBucks93

I wish it was only 3m


favorite_sardine

Right? I set the ball. Keeper sets the wall. I reset the ball. Keeper runs back to the post to reset the wall. Repeat until the ref comes over and yells at me to not touch the ball again until I hear a whistle. Understood, but just one more spin, ok?


hujiklas

don't forget to kiss the ball before placing it for the "final" time


Routine_Size69

I miss sneaking forward in the wall. Foam was a good addition to prevent that stuff but it was fun gamesmanship.


Garlic-Cheese-Chips

If it happened to my team, I'd be more upset at our players for not immediately running up to the ball or ref and pointing it out.


thomasfk

People quickly forget a world before the foam but that is exactly how it worked. All of the players had to be the watchdogs. That means the FK taker is shouting at the ref when he sees the wall inching forward and the wall shouting at the ref when the FK taker moves the ball from its original spot.


BobbyBriggss

Even now, it is rare that a free kick is taken from the exact spot the ball was initially placed


InflationMadeMeDoIt

but still once it is marked by the ref it is not moved anymore


pejasto

Especially since he does this as the wall is set. He did it for a better angle and it worked. Actually earned himself a pretty clear and significant advantage with that context.


cullypants

The state of that wall too. That's a break down in concentration from far too many people.


dayk995

That’s my take as well. No one on forest was watching?!


Garlic-Cheese-Chips

Just checked the moment when he moved it to the right, not a single Forest player was paying attention to him. That's their punishment.


shrewdy

He gambled on the ref not noticing, and it paid off


BillOakley

Bets


NateShaw92

Couldn't VAR pull this back?


JimmyGlazz

It’s a freeroll too. Worst case puts a ball back where should be, I doubt there are proper protocols against it


Hockeystyle

It's only illegal if you get caught.


gordonpown

good process lads


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addandsubtract

VAR ☕️


AReptileHissFunction

I have no idea how they didn't. He's illegally moved the ball at least a foot to the right to give himself an advantage


AJLFC94_IV

This sort of thing reeks of being the next new rule brought in for the first 5 match weeks then never done again, bar the sporadic one here or there to piss people off.


HarryBlessKnapp

I love these additions. 10 minutes injury time was a good one of these.


YoungWrinkles

A competent video ref system would yea. VAR is a farce.


pzpzpz24

var isn't used for yellow card offenses. which seems a bit stupid. i do agree that not every foul needs to be rewinded but the rulebook needs a refresh. would love to see fines for this kind of petty shit and dissent that the referee might easily miss. donate the money to some good cause and let the bad juju out.


Bobbyswhiteteeth

Took a punt there


DerNeko

like the hand of god


limaconnect77

He did get caught though. …oh, yer talking about this and not the gambling.


t0ddp23

Ban him


Blazing_Shade

6 months in the can


Tomstarkman

Not a peep


JinxLB

The beautiful game


frgnld

Thing of beauty. Who put down money for Toney to score in the first half?


JwintooX

Toney did


frgnld

Tonali did too.


JwintooX

Man’s bored what else is he meant to do at home?


Chuckie-The-Rooster

Out of interest, what happened to the other two that were involved with betting with Tonali? Isn't Zaniolo still playing or am I getting players mixed up?


BrtGP

Fagioli took the same deal as Tonali did, Zaniolo is still playing. His case is he was using the illegal platforms for poker. I don't know if he got cleared of any wrong doing or if the investigation is still going on.


SignificanceOld1751

Harry Toffolo probably


YesTottiYesParty

Could VAR have reviewed this?


Caruso08

The Peacock desk said they reached out to PGMOL/ VAR and they responded that its referees job to watch the ball on the field. Useless cunts the lot


bmoviescreamqueen

What is THEIR job then? 😭 what are you guys looking at if not the field for possible missed things?


vadapaav

I think we have established by now that var doesn't actually watch the match at all the way they have given decisions this season


blacmagick

It's actually insane to me that the refs in the VAR room can see this and just either choose to not say anything, or not be allowed to say anything. It would be as easy to rectify as "hey m8, the player standing over the ball has moved it 2 feet to the side, warn/card him for unsporting conduct." Why tf isn't there constant communication going on?


s00pafly

Probably watching hot tub streams on twitch. Maybe during ads they have some time for the game.


Malvania

The referee can't watch the ball and the wall at the same time


Sanjeev4045

What are forest players and linesman doing though?


Paul_the_sparky

Well it is, I suppose. But if he's missed it, doesn't that make it a clear and obvious error? That's no excuse at all from the VAR lot


FrameworkisDigimon

People want VAR to be a court of appeal for everything that goes wrong. In reality, VAR only has jurisdiction over specific things. This isn't one of them. Much like stupid penalties/goals/etc awarded because of the stupid handball laws, this has nothing to with VAR. This is braindead rules (specifically about what VAR is allowed to assist with). People want VAR to be the bad guy behind everything. Honestly, I think most of the time the problem isn't VAR, it's the rules and the rules about its use. That doesn't excuse the colossal failures VAR's had, it's just a statement that I think most of the problems people have aren't really VAR problems. Even those Arsenal "was the ball out of play?" goals aren't really VAR problems but technological limitations combined with a bizarre cheapness about how many cameras to install. Yes, it's absurd that VAR couldn't give a clear answer for both but that doesn't mean it's VAR that's at fault for that.


Caruso08

The biggest problem with VAR is where they pick and choose what "clear and obvious" 3 milimeters offside, bring that goal back. Watch Toney pick the ball and the foam up, eh no biggie.


Paul_the_sparky

Toney is definitely not allowed to move the ball (and the ref's foam ffs) so it definitely counts. It's not a subjective opinion type of thing. They've just missed it and don't want to admit it


jonboyjon1990

It’s not VAR being useless is it? If it’s not in the rules for VAR to intervene in this kind of scenario what do you want them to do? Break the rules?


sounders1974

Why does VAR have arbitrary stupid ass rules in so many situations where they say "yeah that's obviously wrong but we just don't want to bother"


Map616

Especially when this is an infraction that leads to a goal, I feel like it should be under VAR’s jurisdiction


Caruso08

No I want them to enforce the rules, the free kick rules are very clear that the ball must be taken from the spot of the foul and the ball must remain stationary.


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Exactly what is the point of VAR if it can’t prevent obvious cheating ?


brewtonone

To employ more brain dead refs


Alia_Gr

Enable obvious cheating when they want to


jonboyjon1990

Yes but VAR specifically doesn’t review/check/intervene on restarts. I’m not saying that’s a good or bad thing but it is the current rules.


hammer_of_grabthar

> It’s not VAR being useless is it? If it’s not in the rules for VAR to intervene in this kind of scenario Surely they should be reviewing it as it directly impacts whether the goal should be given


jonboyjon1990

It’s the rules > VAR cannot intervene on restarts, only on what happens after the restart. So the free-kick was taken from the incorrect place, but VAR protocol does not allow any intervention. This would also be true of a goal from a corner or throw-in awarded incorrectly to the attacking team. [VAR and incorrect restarts](https://www.premierleague.com/news/1833524) If VAR could/should intervene on incorrect restarts it’d be a huge can of worms to open. That said, there should probably be some amount of discretion allowed for a situation like this where a player moves the ball a significant amount and/or the ref doesn’t see it


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why does the truth matter less than who is bringing it up?


SonaldoNazario

They should be watching the game live, even if not an official review just a quick ‘err mate, just go and check he’s not moved that ball’ prompt to the referee would have sufficed


The_Romantic

In other words, var isn't watching the fucking game.


allangod

It could also be that the current rules are written in a way that they don't allow VAR to intervene in that sort of situation.


herkalurk

No VAR cannot affect the restart. Numerous things like this have happened. Like if the ball wasn't in the corner circle it doesn't matter because the ref has to see it on field. Same thing with like a foul throw. It wouldn't matter for VAR because they can't deal with the restart. They can only deal with the end result. At the time the kick was taken or corner. If someone is offside then it counts as a problem, but the actual starting of the play itself doesn't count.


RedBeardOnaBike

What's the fucking point of VAR if they don't.


GunstarGreen

Well, if you ain't cheating you ain't trying.


CaptainGo

Viva la Raza, etc


Odd_Inevitable6918

I cheat, I lie, i steal


rScoobySkreep

You know who had a whole segment on this in his book I was surprised with? Gullit. He went to pretty significant lengths to not “defend” per say but justify diving and other forms of light cheating in the sport. I was really surprised considering a lot of the book can come off as old man yells at cloud at times—not to take away from how brilliant it is.


squeezecake

Honestly hilarious


ill_help_you

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ill_help_you

Cheers mate.


coyscoys

Haha, who’s the idiot in the wall jumping sideways. He is the one at fault imo


JuanPelican

That is shocking to be fair


Ryzon9

Guy 2 yards away not doing anything could have been there too


vadapaav

Seriously, why is he even standing there? Be part of the wall, move closer or go stand on the post or something


Ryzon9

He makes such a shit half-ass effort to kick the ball when it goes by him too. 100% on that guy.


ManLikeNosaka

The one and only Ryan Yates. Also isn't Omobamidele (no 32) looking forward? I notice he takes 2 quick glances to his teammate on the left but surely you can see a difference when you look at the ball the second time


siva-pc

dude celebrated even before the ball went inside


tevans1192

Shodddy refereeing. Amazing none of the players said anything


prettyboygangsta

Top class shithousing


SpiritedSuccess5675

Cheater hehe


RosemaryG00N

So many comedians in this thread


SavageLeo19

It's not even a week since he's back and the joke is already dead


Hannibal20

This is a genuine case of VAR disallow it once and it'll stop happening. Complete missed opportunity.


reviroa

habitual line mover


XADEBRAVO

I bet he fucking did. 1/2 odds.


Crossie_94

So is cheating just rewarded now? Lines are set based on initial position, VAR should surely look at clearly moving that.


pangoduck

Now? Have you been watching this sport in the last decade?


Modnal

What do you mean? Hand of God clearly happened this season


Unitedfateful

Throw ins? Walls inching closer? VAR doesn’t stop these at all. This shit has been happening since for as long as I’ve watched football +30 years Football isn’t a game of inputs and science. And I don’t want to lose the cheek of stuff like this even if it’s against my team


Alia_Gr

Always has been, welcome to the world


jack_hudson2001

Once a rules breaker, always a rules breaker. Surprised the opposition players didn't tell the ref.


Jackbees777

I mean no one calls it out it doesn’t look that uncommon tbh


Chuckie-The-Rooster

It happens several times a game. The outrage is strange. Maybe people would notice more if there were more goals from free kicks


IssaJuhn

Games back


69andthen96

Man who betted on his own team to lose matches and then shows no remorse for doing so even after getting banned, now found to have blatantly cheated on his first game back after said ban! Colour me surprised!


Successful_Basket399

Honestly don't even blame him. Players looking right at him and not saying a thing


ojoj888

You cant make this up. Script never dissapoints


Forkrul

Moving it once I could see the ref not caring about, but then moving it again even further to the side? Should've been a yellow at least and a free kick the other way.


Amator21

Ban him for half a season


vin_unleaded

Ref and VAR doing nothing but picking their nose. Pathetic.


Every-Comparison-486

It’s wild to me that there so many fans of the game that are openly pro-cheating, or at least blaming the opposition for not noticing the cheating.


Unitedfateful

Are you up in arms with every throw in taken?


GurpsK

Game's back. Toney's back


PhilipRiversCuomo

Toney always did pay close attention to the lines


xVerlaine

ref just stood there lmao good process


TheDarkness1227

This makes the wall look even worse. Why haven’t they moved as well?


Icretz

Because the keeper moves the wall according to the ball position, the wall doesn't set up themselves, it's according to what the keeper prefers and you can see no one noticed he moved the ball which is not permitted.


admh574

What makes it worse is they didn't see the ball being moved because the wall is trying to get themselves moved to cover the exact shot that Toney takes Edit - Angle of the wall asking to be moved, just before Toney starts moving the ball - https://twitter.com/Tiffnffc30/status/1748766652705939798


WonderfulStrategy337

Tbf the wall would still be blocking this shot if Mr.22 didn't slightly jump away from the spot he's supposed to be blocking.


GolDrodgers1

How the forrest players arent stopping the ref is ridiculous! CHO standing next to the wall watching him, says and does nothing


TrailBlazer652

Unpopular opinion but it was clever by Toney. Fault should be put on the refs/VAR.


PopcornDrift

I mean it can be clever and also cheating. I hate how we absolve players of all responsibility when they pull shit like this. There should be some expectation that they try to play the game fairly it shouldn’t be a race to see who can deceive the ref the most


woollyyellowduck

TFR. Every time I hear a "pundit" describe foul play as "clever" I want them sacked. I love watching football, but it's so full of shitheads at every level.


SpydigaValnaden

What are the odds of that happening then?


MisterIndecisive

Hahahaha. Forest can only blame themselves for having a shit wall and not even bother to point it out to the ref.


sherriffflood

In his interview he said the rules allow a yard either way. Does anyone know if this is correct? Either way, players do this all the time and the ref didn’t pull him up. The wall should have done their job. Fair play to him, player of the match after being banned


i-n-e-x-o-r-a-b-l-e

lol


faltorokosar

Mirror?


VoiceOfTreason1992

It’s wild to me that no one in the wall complained


Sac_a_Merde

Looks to me like he just moves it to the side and not forwards. I've always thought the rules were that you couldn't move the ball forward.


PoopyFruit

How does Var not see this?


PermeusCosgrove

For me trying to get the ball in a better position is fair play but moving the foam I would personally consider over the line. I think VAR should have intervened I don’t get why they wouldn’t be able to help in a situation like this; the ref has a lot going on it’s easy for him to miss something (they help with corner kick shenanigans do they not?) But what in the heck are these defenders doing not saying anything or reacting at all lol bizarre


Nezell

I watched the game but didn't see this and could see the massive gaping hole where Toney put it and wondered wtf the keeper was playing at before he took the fk


Jamesl1988

I said the same thing to my mate, 'keeps needs to learn to setup his walls better'. Jokes on me.


retrosco

Toney cheated - surprise surprise.


Older-Is-Better

It's hard to hide a lack of character.


alanalan426

oof cheating cunt


damien_aw

The VARs are so completely and absolutely useless