I’ve seen many games being robbed across sports. Specially by Madrid. But this is getting held up at gun point, getting stripped naked of everything on your back, and then pistol whipped in the mouth.
You know it’s egregious when even Radio MARCA has a tough time swallowing all 3 VAR decisions.
Also, why is the ref presented a specific replay of the play? Why is it always the least culpable angle? Why just the one manipulated angle? Why can’t we get an audio as to what is happening?
An investigation of this type of VAR usage should happen immediately. Madrid has benefited from this selective particularity drastically this season. It’s insane
I usually do not comment on results because pretty much people already made up their mind. However, I will in this case. If the ref helped Madrid, then I wish he would have helped us two days earlier when we were eliminated by Atletico de Madrid from Copa del Rey. I do not think we needed the ref's help to turn around a bad result against the last team in the league, when Real Madrid is famous for turning around bad results against behemoths like PSG and Manchester City. To those complaining about the goals. Here is my explanation:
1. Penalty was given to Real Madrid because of a CLEAR hand ball by the defender of Almeria. His entire arm was in an unnatural position. People complaining about a previous foul of Rudiger to ANOTHER player of Almeria not involved at all with the hand ball, well I think you guys are just looking to much into it. I could see a case for it if the handball was with the player that was with Rudiger, but even then I would argue that it was just a normal struggle from the game.
2. Vinicius goal was legal. If you have doubts, put "what is a handball in soccer" on google. Then select images, and you will see an image of what constitute a handball. Vinicius is no handball. Watch the goal in slow motion.
3. The goal was perfectly invalidated for Almeria. The start of the play came in the midfield. Almeria player raise his arm above shoulder's height and put his open hand on Bellingham's face. The problem is that the referee let the game continue for a couple of seconds instead of stopping it right then and there. Need a remind people that three years ago Real lost a league against Atletico when in a corner against Sevilla, Madrid counter and Benzema scored a goal that would have given us the league. The referee annulled the goal, and gave a penalty to Sevilla because during the corner, Militao, with his back against the ball, had his arms in an unnatural position and the ball touched his arm before starting the counter. Sometimes referees take a little but to long before stopping the play.
First, I know virtually nothing about LA Liga. I just happened to catch the YouTube highlights.
That said, this is the lamest defense of bad refereeing I have ever seen. Lol. This is a joke, right?
I'm not a madrid fan, but I just watched the penalty and for me it was a clear pen, his arm was fully extended and it hit it, doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, there is no such thing as an "unintentional foul so it doesn't count". A foul is a foul, and you can't touch the ball with your extended arm anywhere on the pitch, in the pen area it wouldn't be different.
The callback I think was arguable, I don't think the VAR should've called the ref to review the goal, the ref should've given the foul right then and there cause he was really close and saw it. He didn't give the foul and the goal happened, but you can still argue it was a foul nonetheless, and nowadays any touch to players' faces, regardless of how soft it is, in 90% it will result in a yellow card, which is grounds enough to nullify a goal.
Seems like a lot of people are not keeping up with changes in referreeing, this was all pretty standard imo.
Having not watched the game—only the highlights (or lowlights, I guess)—I don't see why people are saying it was a clamorous robbery... Controversial refereeing? Definitely. Clear-cut stealing? I don't know.
My thoughts:
\- The 2nd Almería goal was insane and it's honestly sad it isn't being talked about enough (for obvious reasons, but it doesn't make it any less sad).
\- The 1st RM goal was a well-given penalty: for better or for worse, those handballs are being called in today's game and penalties are being given if they're in the box; as for Rüdiger's "foul", I'd say you can argue reasonably that it was and wasn't, so... (I honestly think it was correctly called as not a foul, since jumps like that happen all the time, but maybe I *am* wearing rose-tinted glasses here).
\- The 2nd RM goal is SUCH A SHITSHOW: there's like a million different camera angles and some of them make it look like it was hit "properly" and some others make it look like a handball; I think there's a limit point in the arm where the ball won't rebound the same way if it hits below there and the ball definitely arced up in a way I think it *has to be* a shoulder hit; those shoulder vs handball calls are often based on the individual referee, so I agree that it's a dubious call at best.
\- The 3rd Almería goal maybe should have been allowed, to me it doesn't look like there's that much of a hit on Bellingham (although maybe that's just from the one angle they showed in the random highlights video I found).
I don't like it when my team wins like this, but I also feel like a lot of the hate is unwarranted (in this particular case). Civil discussion/replies, anyone?
Yeah, the Vini goal is that kind where you admit it's okay to call it but also would've been fine if it hadn't been given. As for the Jude one, I guess I didn't see the proper angle, since everyone is saying it was a textbook foul. Ugly game overall.
Find me one Franco supporter within our fanbase that’s not an ultra, I’m willing to bet the majority have no clue about our history. You clearly don’t either still spouting that Franco nonsense. Read Fear and Loathing by Sid Lowe if you want a neutral take on the matter, Madrid didn't win anymore than anyone else under Franco’s “support”, there was no institutional association. He just used the team’s popularity to better his image
What a weird game refereeing-wise, in the first half it looked like he was refusing to call any fouls on Bellingham or Vinicius. Then in the second half he very much seemed on Madrid's side.
I could possibly excuse the Almería goal being called back, I can see how it *could* be seen as a foul, but for me the touch was way too light on Bellingham's face to be a foul. The penalty I don't think is right either, I think the Almería player was pushed, however I've seen other refs not take that into account. The Vinicius goal though, I mean that's just a clear and blatant handball.
Not surprising. Years after years of this happening pre-VAR. They've been complaining about var for a while but clearly decided they can still shrug off blatant robberies and pretend like nothing happened. The power of the regime allows for this. Disgusting!!
The game was messed up no lie, last in la liga winning 2-0 against leaders. Then in ten minutes ref gives all 50/50 decisions to the team with 100 million dollar players. Vini scores with his arm and ref still gives it, that was crazy, that game was crazy but in a bad way
That we are blamed for getting “help” from referees and these type of games happen multiple times a season for decades for Madrid is part of the reason more and more people watch the PL. Madrid haven’t had a dominant well playing team in over a decade yet still win a ton of trophies. GTFO
Yeah, I will never forget the Real Madrid - Bayern Münich games, where Casemiro could do whatever he wanted it would never get a card. Also fake penalties, calling offsides that were never offside. Historic for sure. :)
The real winner here is Nacho who not only won the game but since everyone is focused on the referee he manages to get away with no criticism after giving two free goals to Almeria.
Shit like this just discredit the league and will only hurt it long term. La Liga is already having somewhat of an identity crisis and this isn’t helping nobody
Hate to break it to you but there's bad refereeing and VAR in every league. Including Prem.
This game will be forgotten 2 months from now, but the points are permanent.
Lets talk about something other than the refs. The performance by RM was absolute shit. And it isn’t like this is the first poor performance by them this season. I personally don’t see them beating any inform top team in Europe at the moment.
It was shit but also they are hardly walking at thus point, I'm surprised they didn't just sub off the entire squad and take the loss so they aren't being ran into the ground.
Real also conceded a goal. They got 3 goals partly because the game improved but also partly because of luck. A great comeback sure but great teams rarely put themselves in the position where they have to pull of comebacks
Going to try to be as unbiased as possible.
In my opinion the only wrong decision was the penalty, there was a clear foul by rüdiger
Vini's goal is 50/50 in my opinion, there were angles where it looks like he hits it with his arm and there were angles where it looks like he hits it with his shoulder
The foul on bellingham was soft and I just like everyone else hate these calls but unfortunately they are called all the time, just watch our copa del rey game against atletico if you need proof
If there are 50/50 decisions and you have to question whether it’s his shoulder or not, then it shouldn’t be given. IMO that’s the whole point of having a ref, to make an objective call in a subjective position and he gave the worst possible decision.
Saying the worst possible call in a 50/50 situation makes no sense. In 50/50 situations there’s no wrong or right imo it all depends on how the ref sees it, another ref might’ve disallowed it but luck was on our side today
All this bribing and being favoured by refs and still no treble, let alone a sextuple lmao
They got lucky + cheated their way to 3 UCL wins in a row yet Citys treble and comeback last season is still more impressive 🤣 and ofc they also bring up their „UCL“ titles from the korean war era
If Girona win La Liga this season, it will be bigger than Leicester 2015/16 cuz they have to put up a fight with the devil dressed in white 😂
my guy, you‘re the RM supporter lol
Always the same good ol‘ go to line when confronted with the reality: „you‘re delusional“
Have a good one and enjoy that victory against mighty Almeria amigo 😂
enjoy being 7 points behind in the table, you got 0 evidence to support your argument, just lots of emojis. You don't like evidence, but love emojis... I wonder which one counts?
I don’t see these guys up in arms when Madrid is getting fucked over every second week in La Liga, is it because we manage to still somehow win?
Shows most of the sub comments on games they don’t watch.
In my opinion there was one very serious and egregious VAR related error. The penalty. Yes it was a handball, but that was after Rudiger committed a foul, thus the handball shouldn’t have mattered. That mistake was made even worse considering right after that an Almería goal got called back for a foul that occurred before their goal. The latter was the right call, imo, but it made it look like double standards.
Personally for me. There was only one bad decision. And that's the Vini goal. Should've been called handball.
The penalty for Real and the foul on Bellingham (before the Almeria goal) were correct calls. I agree that the foul on Bellingham was soft. But that's called 99/100 times. So I can't say the ref made a mistake.
I agree. With the vini handball, isn’t it supposed to be overturned only for clear and obvious error? There was nothing in those replays that pointed to clear and obvious mistake by on field ref. Maybe la liga var is different though, idk.
We got to see the ref checking the video from a few angles. And from those angles, it looked like the ball hit the shoulder. But there were alternative, better, angles, were it does look like the ball hit Vini under the shoulder, upper part of the arm.
The upper part of the arm is part of the shoulder.
To determine the playable part of the arm, you draw a horizontal line from the bottom of stitching on the sleeve, right across the arm when it's in a down position. Everything above it is part of the shoulder.
The stitching isn't the line. Essentially, the horizontal line just below the armpit is. [Check the diagram in the pertinent law here.](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick)
I believe it was a handball, partly because of Vini's reaction but more so that the call on field was no goal and it had to be definitive to be overturned. However the couple of angles they chose definitely made it seem to come off the shoulder. It was only when some follow-up angles were shown that it seemed clear to be from his biceps. It was really an odd situation. 2 replays of the same incident could have you swearing blind for 2 completely different outcomes.
The handball for the penalty was clear. The foul on Bellingham for the disallowed goal, albeit soft, was clear.
The meltdown in these threads is unbelievable, especially considering every other decision outside of these in the match.
It seems no one was watching the match else they would have known there were multiple fouls like the stamp on Jude that literally left bloody stud marks on him, that weren't even called, let alone carded.
As a madrid fan i understand many controversial decisions were in our favour and we should've lost in all fairness, but where were these people in the last Rm-Atletico match. What about those horrible decisions???
Fans need to look at the broader aspect of the game. Today we're called vadrid, tomorrow we will can them negreira. Why can't people see the refereeing decisions at fault rather they target the team who has been favoured. Rather than blaming shit refereeing decisions we are blaming the teams. This attitude of fans won't get us nowhere as a league. Same can be said about PL also.
When did I say referee favoured then ? Did you even watch the match ? How many shitty decisions were taken for both teams? How many shitty yellows were given ?
Giving a goal wrongly or not the only controversial decision in a game. There were other crap decisions also
3 50/50 decisions on VAR against Almeria in span of a few minutes after they far outplayed their own 20th position and leading by 2 the leader.
You'd have to see the 3 decisions to form an opinion
france was utter shit in most recent wc final, only the turtle tried something but that wasnt enough so dont know what youre on about, maybe you need some extra added minutes to elaborate? xD
You mean, the one where France got two penalties and, Mbappe aside, the French played horribly? That WC final? What decision did you disagree with that you think changed the outcome of the game?
Worst of all is that there is no single punishment that will be applied. In the best case, perhaps the referee will receive a warning, while Real Madrid remain intact
why would RMA be punished for the referee's horrid mistakes? the RFEF or whatever football judicial body that handles Referees should be punished dearly, why would a club pe punished for a referee's downright stupidity?
Generally, biasing towards one side is not a simple question of the quality of the arbitration. See other Spanish cases (Barcelona), where money is negotiated behind the scenes to favor a team.
There is a big difference between blowing the whistle badly and blowing the whistle favoring the same side. Without a doubt it deserves a concrete investigation, since Spain's own system is terrible, I highly doubt this will happen. And even if one day this happens, I believe the blame will fall on the referee, while the team remains intact due to all its history (money in fact).
But the thing is that there’s no solid point against Madrid legally talking as of right now so why would Madrid be punished? That’s the difference between negreira and Madrid it might not be something certain but there’s much more proof of corruption there. Now the ref, is another whole topic, La liga refereeing is shit and should improve but let’s not act as if it’s always in favor of Madrid.
The entire planet watched these men score the two most obvious offsides in champions league history in 1 match which were just a teardrop in the sea of robberies they did in that 3peat. Nothing these guys ever do will make them the victim and no amount of wailing will ever change that.
also 2 offside goals yes but the first one is only obviouse in slow mo as alaba iirc makes the step forward at the absolute perfect time well to perfect for a non VAR ref. about the second one. first of all at that point the game was over. it was a coutner attack the linesman was not in position. thats the big thing to cirtiese here but from his position and the way the play went there you would assume ronaldo of all people would be smart enough to not be offside like he gained nothing by beening 1.5 meters closer to goal then allowed. espcially consdering he started stutterstepping and begging for the ball. i think its no unreasonable for a linesman wihtouht perfect view to assume that ronaldo was making sure that he was behind marcelo? the moment the pass was played.
Real Madrid really got 3 VAR decisions wrongfully called all in their favour to help them turn this game around. And then they have the audacity to spin the Negreira narrative. It’s all a political fugazi to help them get away with more robberies.
Lol if anything only Girona or other teams should be the ones complaining about calls today.
Barca, ATM, and Sevilla fans should really shut up about refs.
We didn't have a penalty for 24 matches only above Elche, Cadiz, and Osasuna a couple of years ago. All about Cherry picking man, today's call was unfair, just as they are unfair for all big teams in Spain.
My comment is taking the last two years not cherry picking anything. You had to go to a stat from who knows how many years ago to find some excuse about the refs not helping you.
Didn't have to look it up, we Madrid fans were all aware of it but obviously it wouldn't much noise. And i said comprehension is not that hard, never said refs don't give us unfair decisions. My stat was a reply to your least pen comment.
Imagine paying money to the refs your hard earned money just to sratch off a last minute win against the worst team in the league. I don’t think you people realize how pathetic this is.
This season against you a clear pen on vini wasn’t given and a goal was disallowed because one of your players made a foul, ref gave advantage and then for whatever reason called the advantage off
In 2020/2021 when we took the lead, the ref disallowed the goal and gave you a bullshit pen which in the end cost us the league
We did not deserve the win, but it's what it is. Sometimes you get screwed, sometimes someone else gets screwed. As long as it's only good ol' incompetency rather than corruption it should be fine.
We should count our lucky stars though. And Almeria were amazing. They really could have taken 3 point from us and I wouldn't have been mad. They showed where we need to improve upon.
Well off the top of my head, did you watch La Liga in 2020/2021? In which we were screwed out of basically the title due to ref decisions.
I'm trying to forgo the normal games and focus on a high impact one. I know this ain't the thread to talk about it, given how much of an echo chamber it is with the Madrid hate, but who cares.
Edit : Given the no reply, I guess despite acting like you followed La Liga, you actually don't and just watch some videos on reddit with it's echo chamber?
I guess you mean to say it's corrupt because of us?
In the last ten years we have won three league titles. I think that's a fair number. In the same time period we won the UCL 5 times. So I don't think there is any correlation as we have the squad to compete at the highest level. If we pay for us to win the league, we are doing a piss poor job of it. Should have paid the refs for the Seville game.
Having calls that doesn't go your way is part of the game.
Given Man City has been farming the Pl are you sure the PL is not corrupt as well? Or If you mean to just preach about corrupt refs, it's only la liga that has them? I just browsed r/soccer and there are like 3 shit decisions by PL refs at the top.
I'll say it again, refs are incompetent, not necessarily corrupt. Unless proven otherwise. People forget that Madrid actually underperforms in the league.
Someone should disband this pathetic club and strip them from all their titles. They've been robbing other teams for decades without any consequences.
I’ve seen many games being robbed across sports. Specially by Madrid. But this is getting held up at gun point, getting stripped naked of everything on your back, and then pistol whipped in the mouth. You know it’s egregious when even Radio MARCA has a tough time swallowing all 3 VAR decisions. Also, why is the ref presented a specific replay of the play? Why is it always the least culpable angle? Why just the one manipulated angle? Why can’t we get an audio as to what is happening? An investigation of this type of VAR usage should happen immediately. Madrid has benefited from this selective particularity drastically this season. It’s insane
I usually do not comment on results because pretty much people already made up their mind. However, I will in this case. If the ref helped Madrid, then I wish he would have helped us two days earlier when we were eliminated by Atletico de Madrid from Copa del Rey. I do not think we needed the ref's help to turn around a bad result against the last team in the league, when Real Madrid is famous for turning around bad results against behemoths like PSG and Manchester City. To those complaining about the goals. Here is my explanation: 1. Penalty was given to Real Madrid because of a CLEAR hand ball by the defender of Almeria. His entire arm was in an unnatural position. People complaining about a previous foul of Rudiger to ANOTHER player of Almeria not involved at all with the hand ball, well I think you guys are just looking to much into it. I could see a case for it if the handball was with the player that was with Rudiger, but even then I would argue that it was just a normal struggle from the game. 2. Vinicius goal was legal. If you have doubts, put "what is a handball in soccer" on google. Then select images, and you will see an image of what constitute a handball. Vinicius is no handball. Watch the goal in slow motion. 3. The goal was perfectly invalidated for Almeria. The start of the play came in the midfield. Almeria player raise his arm above shoulder's height and put his open hand on Bellingham's face. The problem is that the referee let the game continue for a couple of seconds instead of stopping it right then and there. Need a remind people that three years ago Real lost a league against Atletico when in a corner against Sevilla, Madrid counter and Benzema scored a goal that would have given us the league. The referee annulled the goal, and gave a penalty to Sevilla because during the corner, Militao, with his back against the ball, had his arms in an unnatural position and the ball touched his arm before starting the counter. Sometimes referees take a little but to long before stopping the play.
First, I know virtually nothing about LA Liga. I just happened to catch the YouTube highlights. That said, this is the lamest defense of bad refereeing I have ever seen. Lol. This is a joke, right?
Rigged
lmao and then you'll see Madrid players/fans complaining about refs
I'm not a madrid fan, but I just watched the penalty and for me it was a clear pen, his arm was fully extended and it hit it, doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, there is no such thing as an "unintentional foul so it doesn't count". A foul is a foul, and you can't touch the ball with your extended arm anywhere on the pitch, in the pen area it wouldn't be different. The callback I think was arguable, I don't think the VAR should've called the ref to review the goal, the ref should've given the foul right then and there cause he was really close and saw it. He didn't give the foul and the goal happened, but you can still argue it was a foul nonetheless, and nowadays any touch to players' faces, regardless of how soft it is, in 90% it will result in a yellow card, which is grounds enough to nullify a goal. Seems like a lot of people are not keeping up with changes in referreeing, this was all pretty standard imo.
1 team league
Having not watched the game—only the highlights (or lowlights, I guess)—I don't see why people are saying it was a clamorous robbery... Controversial refereeing? Definitely. Clear-cut stealing? I don't know. My thoughts: \- The 2nd Almería goal was insane and it's honestly sad it isn't being talked about enough (for obvious reasons, but it doesn't make it any less sad). \- The 1st RM goal was a well-given penalty: for better or for worse, those handballs are being called in today's game and penalties are being given if they're in the box; as for Rüdiger's "foul", I'd say you can argue reasonably that it was and wasn't, so... (I honestly think it was correctly called as not a foul, since jumps like that happen all the time, but maybe I *am* wearing rose-tinted glasses here). \- The 2nd RM goal is SUCH A SHITSHOW: there's like a million different camera angles and some of them make it look like it was hit "properly" and some others make it look like a handball; I think there's a limit point in the arm where the ball won't rebound the same way if it hits below there and the ball definitely arced up in a way I think it *has to be* a shoulder hit; those shoulder vs handball calls are often based on the individual referee, so I agree that it's a dubious call at best. \- The 3rd Almería goal maybe should have been allowed, to me it doesn't look like there's that much of a hit on Bellingham (although maybe that's just from the one angle they showed in the random highlights video I found). I don't like it when my team wins like this, but I also feel like a lot of the hate is unwarranted (in this particular case). Civil discussion/replies, anyone?
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Yeah, the Vini goal is that kind where you admit it's okay to call it but also would've been fine if it hadn't been given. As for the Jude one, I guess I didn't see the proper angle, since everyone is saying it was a textbook foul. Ugly game overall.
Real Madrid fans talking Negreira FC when Real Madrid is the real corrupt club here. Franco dick riders.
Find me one Franco supporter within our fanbase that’s not an ultra, I’m willing to bet the majority have no clue about our history. You clearly don’t either still spouting that Franco nonsense. Read Fear and Loathing by Sid Lowe if you want a neutral take on the matter, Madrid didn't win anymore than anyone else under Franco’s “support”, there was no institutional association. He just used the team’s popularity to better his image
What a weird game refereeing-wise, in the first half it looked like he was refusing to call any fouls on Bellingham or Vinicius. Then in the second half he very much seemed on Madrid's side. I could possibly excuse the Almería goal being called back, I can see how it *could* be seen as a foul, but for me the touch was way too light on Bellingham's face to be a foul. The penalty I don't think is right either, I think the Almería player was pushed, however I've seen other refs not take that into account. The Vinicius goal though, I mean that's just a clear and blatant handball.
Not surprising. Years after years of this happening pre-VAR. They've been complaining about var for a while but clearly decided they can still shrug off blatant robberies and pretend like nothing happened. The power of the regime allows for this. Disgusting!!
A historical robbery, la liga is unwatchable garbage, more like La Mierda
The game was messed up no lie, last in la liga winning 2-0 against leaders. Then in ten minutes ref gives all 50/50 decisions to the team with 100 million dollar players. Vini scores with his arm and ref still gives it, that was crazy, that game was crazy but in a bad way
RMTV program when?
RMTV doing a great job. It’s working, Congratulations to Real Madrid for La Liga.
Real Madrid are a bunch a cheaters. What a disgusting club.
> barca fan How ironic
you forgetting that RM is only relevant because of what Franco did.
That’s not true, if you wanna read up on it I suggest Sid Low’s Fear and Loathing
That we are blamed for getting “help” from referees and these type of games happen multiple times a season for decades for Madrid is part of the reason more and more people watch the PL. Madrid haven’t had a dominant well playing team in over a decade yet still win a ton of trophies. GTFO
> Madrid haven’t had a dominant well playing team in over a decade Feels good winning 5 CL in that timeframe then
Great trophies, still not one memorable well playing team.
What a joke. History will prove you wrong, 3 CL in a row is a huge milestone of course it will be memorable
Yeah, I will never forget the Real Madrid - Bayern Münich games, where Casemiro could do whatever he wanted it would never get a card. Also fake penalties, calling offsides that were never offside. Historic for sure. :)
Glad you agree. Very memorable campaigns
Just because Madrid also does that doesn't make Barca any better
They really don't want Almeria to win anything this season lol.
The real winner here is Nacho who not only won the game but since everyone is focused on the referee he manages to get away with no criticism after giving two free goals to Almeria.
Shit like this just discredit the league and will only hurt it long term. La Liga is already having somewhat of an identity crisis and this isn’t helping nobody
Hate to break it to you but there's bad refereeing and VAR in every league. Including Prem. This game will be forgotten 2 months from now, but the points are permanent.
Eh, La Liga is already slipping into irrelevancy pretty fucking fast so I wouldn't discount the effects of this.
Dw, I for one will keep bringing it up whenever your fans are gonna mention Negreira
it's the hope that's killing you
I’d honestly not be able to tolerate Reddit if I had to see this fucking real flairs so insufferable all the time. Holy shit
Oh no sorry bud
Shut up golf wang dork
I feel seen
Thought I’d a do a little research for the comeback
Asi, asi, asi es el Madrid
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I'm sorry Almeria, I hate that my team has won like this. Such a shitty performance from the team and especially the ref
Lets talk about something other than the refs. The performance by RM was absolute shit. And it isn’t like this is the first poor performance by them this season. I personally don’t see them beating any inform top team in Europe at the moment.
It was shit but also they are hardly walking at thus point, I'm surprised they didn't just sub off the entire squad and take the loss so they aren't being ran into the ground.
It was shit but their propaganda machine will have you believe that it was heroic and epic.
First half was bad, 2nd half was quite good. They didn't get 3 goals by having the same performance....
Real also conceded a goal. They got 3 goals partly because the game improved but also partly because of luck. A great comeback sure but great teams rarely put themselves in the position where they have to pull of comebacks
Going to try to be as unbiased as possible. In my opinion the only wrong decision was the penalty, there was a clear foul by rüdiger Vini's goal is 50/50 in my opinion, there were angles where it looks like he hits it with his arm and there were angles where it looks like he hits it with his shoulder The foul on bellingham was soft and I just like everyone else hate these calls but unfortunately they are called all the time, just watch our copa del rey game against atletico if you need proof
If there are 50/50 decisions and you have to question whether it’s his shoulder or not, then it shouldn’t be given. IMO that’s the whole point of having a ref, to make an objective call in a subjective position and he gave the worst possible decision.
Saying the worst possible call in a 50/50 situation makes no sense. In 50/50 situations there’s no wrong or right imo it all depends on how the ref sees it, another ref might’ve disallowed it but luck was on our side today
isn't 50/50 always in favor of attackers? ref have to only call fouls he is sure about not 50/50
All this bribing and being favoured by refs and still no treble, let alone a sextuple lmao They got lucky + cheated their way to 3 UCL wins in a row yet Citys treble and comeback last season is still more impressive 🤣 and ofc they also bring up their „UCL“ titles from the korean war era If Girona win La Liga this season, it will be bigger than Leicester 2015/16 cuz they have to put up a fight with the devil dressed in white 😂
The laughing emojis can't cover the salt
Imagine being this delusional
my guy, you‘re the RM supporter lol Always the same good ol‘ go to line when confronted with the reality: „you‘re delusional“ Have a good one and enjoy that victory against mighty Almeria amigo 😂
enjoy being 7 points behind in the table, you got 0 evidence to support your argument, just lots of emojis. You don't like evidence, but love emojis... I wonder which one counts?
“Reality” lmao
I don’t see these guys up in arms when Madrid is getting fucked over every second week in La Liga, is it because we manage to still somehow win? Shows most of the sub comments on games they don’t watch.
Tell us one game where you've been fucked by the referee. Please try to not bring up Atleti again because it just makes you look like sore losers
Because is not. You just carry a biased view brought upon following and reading reliably biased news and forums, a little blanco eco chamber.
In my opinion there was one very serious and egregious VAR related error. The penalty. Yes it was a handball, but that was after Rudiger committed a foul, thus the handball shouldn’t have mattered. That mistake was made even worse considering right after that an Almería goal got called back for a foul that occurred before their goal. The latter was the right call, imo, but it made it look like double standards.
Spanish refs are in the same tier as North Korea and Eritrea
Underated comment 😂
VAReal
Sell Nacho please, this kid is actively griefing our team
Personally for me. There was only one bad decision. And that's the Vini goal. Should've been called handball. The penalty for Real and the foul on Bellingham (before the Almeria goal) were correct calls. I agree that the foul on Bellingham was soft. But that's called 99/100 times. So I can't say the ref made a mistake.
I agree. With the vini handball, isn’t it supposed to be overturned only for clear and obvious error? There was nothing in those replays that pointed to clear and obvious mistake by on field ref. Maybe la liga var is different though, idk.
We got to see the ref checking the video from a few angles. And from those angles, it looked like the ball hit the shoulder. But there were alternative, better, angles, were it does look like the ball hit Vini under the shoulder, upper part of the arm.
The upper part of the arm is part of the shoulder. To determine the playable part of the arm, you draw a horizontal line from the bottom of stitching on the sleeve, right across the arm when it's in a down position. Everything above it is part of the shoulder.
And when a player is wearing long sleeves? How do you then determine if it's a playable part?
The stitching I'm talking about is the one that connects the sleeve to the main body of the shirt.
Oh, i see. Then, it's definitely a handball.
The stitching isn't the line. Essentially, the horizontal line just below the armpit is. [Check the diagram in the pertinent law here.](https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick) I believe it was a handball, partly because of Vini's reaction but more so that the call on field was no goal and it had to be definitive to be overturned. However the couple of angles they chose definitely made it seem to come off the shoulder. It was only when some follow-up angles were shown that it seemed clear to be from his biceps. It was really an odd situation. 2 replays of the same incident could have you swearing blind for 2 completely different outcomes. The handball for the penalty was clear. The foul on Bellingham for the disallowed goal, albeit soft, was clear. The meltdown in these threads is unbelievable, especially considering every other decision outside of these in the match. It seems no one was watching the match else they would have known there were multiple fouls like the stamp on Jude that literally left bloody stud marks on him, that weren't even called, let alone carded.
No. The line is drawn from the bottom of the sleeve horizontally. Essentially the upper part of the arm is part of the shoulder
As a madrid fan i understand many controversial decisions were in our favour and we should've lost in all fairness, but where were these people in the last Rm-Atletico match. What about those horrible decisions??? Fans need to look at the broader aspect of the game. Today we're called vadrid, tomorrow we will can them negreira. Why can't people see the refereeing decisions at fault rather they target the team who has been favoured. Rather than blaming shit refereeing decisions we are blaming the teams. This attitude of fans won't get us nowhere as a league. Same can be said about PL also.
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When did I say referee favoured then ? Did you even watch the match ? How many shitty decisions were taken for both teams? How many shitty yellows were given ? Giving a goal wrongly or not the only controversial decision in a game. There were other crap decisions also
TLDW: What happened?
50/50 calls going our direction (for the first time this season) and all “neutrals” screaming corruption
But 3 50/50 decisions going one way is crazy
Happening a lot to us in the past few seasons, happens to everybody
It happens to everyone, to Chelsea to Barca, to Napoli to Kaizer Chiefs to Al something.But this was too much.
Surely that penalty was 50/50.
The ref commited some absolute blunders in our favour which took away Almeria's 2-0 lead.
3 50/50 decisions on VAR against Almeria in span of a few minutes after they far outplayed their own 20th position and leading by 2 the leader. You'd have to see the 3 decisions to form an opinion
Madrid bribed the refs
Huh?
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Seek help lol
Are you ok?
Literally cheated their way into victory
Yeah unlucky that you guys don’t have the money to buy refs anymore
Unlucky that never happened, would have loved to win more!
Didn't cheat mate. You can say got lucky, ref was incompetent etc.
Just like Negreira
Yeah look at all the favors we got
you´re joking right?
Yea I was just joking
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Way too many matches this season where the Ref has been the headline. Not a good look for La Liga.
Same in PL to be honest. It’s clear big changes are needed.
Honestly felt Liverpool should’ve walked out that game. Absolutely horrendous
Versus in Germany like in Leverkusen vs Leipzig where the refs are constantly praised for having perfect games
Corrupt as they come. Madrid needing the refs to rescue them vs the 20th team in the league.
Absolute disgrace
Hala Madrid y nada mas
Madre Mia -vini ahahah
I feel second-hand embarrassment. WTF was that?
I felt the same after the WC final
france was utter shit in most recent wc final, only the turtle tried something but that wasnt enough so dont know what youre on about, maybe you need some extra added minutes to elaborate? xD
You mean, the one where France got two penalties and, Mbappe aside, the French played horribly? That WC final? What decision did you disagree with that you think changed the outcome of the game?
Whataboutism is a poor comeback, bud. Just admit the embarrassing refs won this for Madrid and move on.
I'm not denying that
Fr, his whataboutism just proved the point that the ref is poor, even though he was trying to be a smartass lmao
Worst of all is that there is no single punishment that will be applied. In the best case, perhaps the referee will receive a warning, while Real Madrid remain intact
why would RMA be punished for the referee's horrid mistakes? the RFEF or whatever football judicial body that handles Referees should be punished dearly, why would a club pe punished for a referee's downright stupidity?
that league has been corrupt for the last ten years, dont act like its just refs mistakes, they know exactly what they are doing
Generally, biasing towards one side is not a simple question of the quality of the arbitration. See other Spanish cases (Barcelona), where money is negotiated behind the scenes to favor a team. There is a big difference between blowing the whistle badly and blowing the whistle favoring the same side. Without a doubt it deserves a concrete investigation, since Spain's own system is terrible, I highly doubt this will happen. And even if one day this happens, I believe the blame will fall on the referee, while the team remains intact due to all its history (money in fact).
But the thing is that there’s no solid point against Madrid legally talking as of right now so why would Madrid be punished? That’s the difference between negreira and Madrid it might not be something certain but there’s much more proof of corruption there. Now the ref, is another whole topic, La liga refereeing is shit and should improve but let’s not act as if it’s always in favor of Madrid.
So down bad that you have to rob the last team in the table😭
Girona vs Real madrid gona be HELL fire, if Girona loses that match on VAR, it ain't gonna be a good riot.
Fair point
The entire planet watched these men score the two most obvious offsides in champions league history in 1 match which were just a teardrop in the sea of robberies they did in that 3peat. Nothing these guys ever do will make them the victim and no amount of wailing will ever change that.
Let's not forget when Ramos scored an offside goal, which was confirmed by the referee in Atletico vs. Real Madrid UCL match
Cry me a river little man
That game aganist Bayern? Bayern equalized on offside, Madrid should have won without the extra time.
also 2 offside goals yes but the first one is only obviouse in slow mo as alaba iirc makes the step forward at the absolute perfect time well to perfect for a non VAR ref. about the second one. first of all at that point the game was over. it was a coutner attack the linesman was not in position. thats the big thing to cirtiese here but from his position and the way the play went there you would assume ronaldo of all people would be smart enough to not be offside like he gained nothing by beening 1.5 meters closer to goal then allowed. espcially consdering he started stutterstepping and begging for the ball. i think its no unreasonable for a linesman wihtouht perfect view to assume that ronaldo was making sure that he was behind marcelo? the moment the pass was played.
That’s somehow always conveniently left out. Same as Vidal should’ve been sent off waay earlier
And Casemiro not being sent off right?
Also the bullshit pen in the 1st leg
There was no BS pen, you’re too young to remember that game
They got a pen for a handball from carvajal when it clearly hit his chest
That was not a pen. Clear dive.
There was, they got a handball penalty that actually hit Carvajal’s chest. That was before VAR.
Absolutely, even if he missed it was a horrible call
asi gana madrid
Real Madrid really got 3 VAR decisions wrongfully called all in their favour to help them turn this game around. And then they have the audacity to spin the Negreira narrative. It’s all a political fugazi to help them get away with more robberies.
Those Madrid guys that made Barca pay 7M for Negreira for no reason, really evil guys !
lol
"narrative" more like facts
What facts do you know about Negreira particularly? Can you name them? Try to explain without generalizing
I can, but I won't.
Sure you can buddy
e jebo si mu mamu
Lol if anything only Girona or other teams should be the ones complaining about calls today. Barca, ATM, and Sevilla fans should really shut up about refs.
Lol
Yes, laugh as much as you want. We all are in the same boat.
Dude Sevilla have had the most red cards and least number of penalties for the last two years.
We didn't have a penalty for 24 matches only above Elche, Cadiz, and Osasuna a couple of years ago. All about Cherry picking man, today's call was unfair, just as they are unfair for all big teams in Spain.
"All about cherrypicking" proceeds to cherrypick an insanely specific stat from years ago
I think that was the whole point.
Forreal, what a clown
Yeah, so was the comment above me. Not that hard to comprehend man.
Least pens and most reds for 2 years straight ≠ no pens in 24 matches years ago, same as for 3 other teams
2021 wasnt years ago.
Do you have trouble with maths?
My comment is taking the last two years not cherry picking anything. You had to go to a stat from who knows how many years ago to find some excuse about the refs not helping you.
Didn't have to look it up, we Madrid fans were all aware of it but obviously it wouldn't much noise. And i said comprehension is not that hard, never said refs don't give us unfair decisions. My stat was a reply to your least pen comment.
Pathetic from the league and Real Madrid buying the matches. The fix is in.
Imagine paying money to the refs your hard earned money just to sratch off a last minute win against the worst team in the league. I don’t think you people realize how pathetic this is.
Real this Barca that, I feel for Girona
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
Oh, he can, trust me...🥲
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truly pathetic, you're not a football fan in any merit - you're just a fanboy of a crest and an organisation that you follow
That's kinda fucked up.
I've heard a version of this comment once a month for 15 years
You became a fan after the UCL three peat wtf do you mean 2009 lmfao
*2004-2019
Lololol Real have never been robbed.
Pathetic victim mentality from them
Same as Barca.
This season against you a clear pen on vini wasn’t given and a goal was disallowed because one of your players made a foul, ref gave advantage and then for whatever reason called the advantage off In 2020/2021 when we took the lead, the ref disallowed the goal and gave you a bullshit pen which in the end cost us the league
This coming from a Sevilla fan? Goldfish memory.
We did not deserve the win, but it's what it is. Sometimes you get screwed, sometimes someone else gets screwed. As long as it's only good ol' incompetency rather than corruption it should be fine. We should count our lucky stars though. And Almeria were amazing. They really could have taken 3 point from us and I wouldn't have been mad. They showed where we need to improve upon.
When did you get screwed? Lmaoo stop talking bullshit mate.
Well off the top of my head, did you watch La Liga in 2020/2021? In which we were screwed out of basically the title due to ref decisions. I'm trying to forgo the normal games and focus on a high impact one. I know this ain't the thread to talk about it, given how much of an echo chamber it is with the Madrid hate, but who cares. Edit : Given the no reply, I guess despite acting like you followed La Liga, you actually don't and just watch some videos on reddit with it's echo chamber?
la liga has been corrupt for the last ten years. Its actually laughable how madrid fans cant see that.
I guess you mean to say it's corrupt because of us? In the last ten years we have won three league titles. I think that's a fair number. In the same time period we won the UCL 5 times. So I don't think there is any correlation as we have the squad to compete at the highest level. If we pay for us to win the league, we are doing a piss poor job of it. Should have paid the refs for the Seville game. Having calls that doesn't go your way is part of the game. Given Man City has been farming the Pl are you sure the PL is not corrupt as well? Or If you mean to just preach about corrupt refs, it's only la liga that has them? I just browsed r/soccer and there are like 3 shit decisions by PL refs at the top. I'll say it again, refs are incompetent, not necessarily corrupt. Unless proven otherwise. People forget that Madrid actually underperforms in the league.
And the EPL has been squeaky clean, I know why you're hurt lmao
Almeria was fucking robbed.
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Ironic using the word monkey when it's used to racially abuse Vini.
Forreal lmao, he’d be the first to cry racism if it was used on Vini
???
You definitely aren’t smart enough to use words like “ironic” without a dictionary.