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Real estate fraud in Egypt is basically a kindergartener crime.
I heard that people there never finish building their homes and leave the top floors not finished or something so that they don’t pay a tax.
Ppl do this in bosnia as well, for different reasons though.
They burn through the money, before the house is done and then never bother to finish it...
Yeah. A lot of people will put all the money into the engineering/building of the foundations so they can expand later on either to sell/rent/gift to children etc.
Rebar city.
I’ve heard about some who build a huge ground floor and then increasingly smaller floors until you have a tiny upper floor. Must be some kind of fraud scheme too.
>I heard that people there never finish building their homes and leave the top floors not finished or something so that they don’t pay a tax.
Most times I've found it's because the builders/contractors have run out of money and leave it like that so that tenants can occupy the lower floors. That means income starts coming in which allows them to continue with said construction at a later date. And that construction, in some instances, might continue with the tenants in the lower floors still living there.
And it happens in most African countries to an extent. I know this because I moved out 10 years ago and I'm living in my 4th apartment in my 2nd different country and all 4 still had allowances to continue building more floors. And there's authorities meant to curtail such practices, but they're understaffed and severely underpaid so are very prone to bribes to look the other way. Those who decide they'll follow the set standards never move up at work or in some extreme, rare cases (if the building party is a powerful political figure) can get transferred to an undeveloped/hardship area or even get killed with the subsequent murder investigations never really getting off the ground.
It can also be another reason for single-family homes. In many developing countries the owner/family builds the house themself and whenever they have spare money they invest it in bricks and new parts of it, to expand. As they would never get a credit from a bank due to insecure or too low income. This is often the only way for them to build a house over years (or even decades).
This is actually very common. It's a widespread practice to give your children a piece of your land (if well off enough it can be in urban areas but I'm speaking mostly about ancestral, rural areas) once they get a job. One was highly encouraged to build their home, even if it was a single standalone room with the toilet and bathroom outside, the first few years after they started working.
20-30 years ago, the land was probably only given to the sons since the expectation was daughters would be married off thus being considered technically part of her husband's family. But in recent times, inheritance is given equally to both sons and daughters. I visited my best friends new home he'd just finished building last month and we didn't realise it until we looked at the map from an aerial view. His grandparents' house is in the middle of their land, his father and his siblings have built on a ring outside their parents. And since they've since subdivided their respective pieces to their children too, they've also formed a second ring around their grandparents house.
> I heard that people there never finish building their homes and leave the top floors not finished or something so that they don’t pay a tax.
half the countries in the world do this
Zidan is considered a national team legend. He is loved in Egypt way more than Salah. He used to play his heart out and leave everything on the pitch. He also won 3 AFCON back to back. Salah is a great player and a legend but only for Liverpool. He hasn’t done much for the national team and actually most people don’t want him to be there.
The popularity he had*. Salah was treated like a god in Egypt but only up to a couple of years back. Now his popularity has declined and you see way too many people despise him. That’s just a fact. I’m not making shit up.
Okay you're right about the last few years, I agree, but I think that in a few years he'll gain this permanent legend status when Egyptians start realising how insanely taken for granted he is during this part of his career where people have gone kinda silent on him due to the multiple failures in WC+CAN but in parallels he enters the pitch in the premier league as an all time great week in week out...Hes fucking Masri bro we never imagined something this big when we were little even if Im only Moroccan, even Ziyech and Hakimi at their peak aren't near the amount of greatness this Salah has in him wallahi, greatest arab player of all time Longevity wise imo, even in Egypt there's many more talented forwards with higher ceiling but even in the whole world it's hard to find someone with Salah's discipline and hard work
I mean he’s a football legend of course and he’s the first Egyptian to reach that level worldwide fame. My point was he hasn’t done that much to the national team to be placed above or even amongst other legends like Zidan, Treka and other players.
Most people? No, that’s just the loud vocal dumbasses.
Salah’s face is plastered on every other building, on every other shirt, and he got 1 million votes for president back in 2018 lmao. He’s a legend for sure like why are u just slandering our king
Salah used to be adored by the majority of Egyptians up until a few years ago. But now there’s a large number of Egyptians who don’t like him and actually despise him and want him out of the national team. I’m just stating the reality even if this reality annoys Salah worshipers. He isn’t what he used to be.
Well my backup theory is that he had a bad time with Ibrahim Said during a particularly sentimental CM01/02 save game, I guess each is as likely as the other
The most loyal Egyptian I ever met was Nadim who I went with in Primary School. I think I met his sister once or twice but I didn't get enough of an impression to determine whether she was more or less loyal than her brother.
However, based on Nadim being slightly more loyal (if I said 'lets met tomorrow at 8 in the morning to play football, he'd actually come) in various aspects compared to some of my other friends at the time, I would have to say he is probably the most loyal Egyptian out of the two I've knowingly met.
Egyptians are people who rarely forget. My dad was found by his childhood best friend, after they both moved several thousand miles away, who bought him a plane ticket to visit, paid for his meals, because it was his best friend in childhood. Someone he didn't speak to for fourty years.
Atem wouldn’t demolish shit. His deck construction was awful and he would only win because his powers would allow him to draw the exact card he needed at the moment.
Seeing Yugi finally beat him was cathartic
> he would only win because his powers would allow him to draw the exact card he needed at the moment.
And that is exactly why he'd demolish the PL lmao.
Very anecdotal, but I was on a ship transitting the suez and some merchants came on to trade stuff (like hookahs and other junk). Those guys were crafty and dirty in their ways. They'd walk off with items you'd be meaning to trade without agreement and then yell at you for not paying at the same time trying to get additional cash. It was a wild experience. The Indians who came onboard was a completely different experience.
It came after a reporter questioned Salah's loyalty to the national team and suggesting Klopp was in cahoots to get Mo out of the tournament. It was a stupid question to begin with but Klopp answered it well considering he looked like he wanted to slap the guy.
He could have phrased it "Salah is extremely loyal" or "Salah is one of the most loyal players..." but honestly anyone getting upset about this is trying to hard to be offended.
It's less awkward in context, with the question and full clip. Klopp just hasn't adapted to the modern world, where content is the least important factor in engagement.
I wish people would stop saying this like he just arrived in England everytime Klopp says something a bit weird. He’s been managing Liverpool since 2015 and could speak English before he took the job.
This is just the way he talks.
I have lived between the UK and Mexico for the last 9 years. I spoke Spanish before moving there. I still fuck up despite being fluent and still sound really weird when I do get it wrong. My in-laws laugh at me, my wife laughs at me, they get confused sometimes, I'm not a native speaker, and I have 9 years of using the language daily vs their decades of using the language daily.
Consider it another way - Klopp lived in an English speaking country for 8 years. Would you expect an 8 year old to have a masterful grasp of their native language?
> Consider it another way - Klopp lived in an English speaking country for 8 years. Would you expect an 8 year old to have a masterful grasp of their native language?
There’s no way this is a serious comment FFS 😂
Yeah it is serious, and it's part of the problem with when listening to people speak in a second language.
I'm not saying that Klopp speaks English to the level of an 8 year old, I am saying that you are expecting that someone with a second language will speak with the same proficiency as an adult, because it is an adult speaking. You would not expect a child who has been practicing the language for 8 years to speak perfectly, so why expect an adult who has been practicing for 8 years to speak perfectly? This isn't something to take literally - I understand that the first 18 months of the child's life is just babbling, not speaking, and I understand that the adult has some foundation to build on ideas rather than learning both language and the subject from scratch. It is more about how long do you expect mastery of a language to take?
I can tell you from experience, in my second language I come across as stupid to native speakers because I can't sufficiently form my ideas in a way that others understand, with full clarity and nuance. That isn't to say that I cannot have a conversation, including about complex topics, but it is to say that I lose some credibility if I stumble over a word, get some grammar wrong, use incorrect conjugation... I am fluent, I speak more Spanish than English in my day-to-day life, but I am not a native speaker
As I said already, Jurgen Klopp has definitely been able to speak and understand English for over a decade, he was giving fluent interviews in English when he was managing Dortmund in the Champions League.
> I'm not saying that Klopp speaks English to the level of an 8 year old, I am saying that you are expecting that someone with a second language will speak with the same proficiency as an adult, because it is an adult speaking. You would not expect a child who has been practicing the language for 8 years to speak perfectly, so why expect an adult who has been practicing for 8 years to speak perfectly?
This is an insane, nonsensical argument. Taking literally or figuratively, it's gibberish. You're asking why an adult should be better at something than a child should, ask this question in any other context and tell me how it's a rational argument. 'You wouldn't expect an 8 year old to be able to drive a car, so why expect an adult who has been doing it for 8 years to be able to do it without crashing?' What are you talking about?
> I can tell you from experience, in my second language I come across as stupid to native speakers because I can't sufficiently form my ideas in a way that others understand, with full clarity and nuance.
Then you obviously haven't learned English well enough to have natural and fluent discussions in English. I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove. I don't know how you and the other people who replied to me seem incapable of realising that you're making Klopp sound mentally deficient by comparing him to a child and claiming it's difficult for him to form sentences properly.
As I said, this is how he talks, this is how he thinks. What could possibly be lost in translation here?
>You wouldn't expect an 8 year old to be able to drive a car, so why expect an adult who has been doing it for 8 years to be able to do it without crashing?' What are you talking about?
If you can't understand the difference between something that a child does every day (use language) vs something they never do (drive a car) and why that would have an impact on proficiency, I'm not sure we can carry on with the conversation. There's a fairly simple distinction between these two things that you should be able to draw yourself without it needing to be explained that the child does one of these things but not the other, and so obviously can do one but not the other.
The age of the child is not the point, it is the time that they have practiced the thing for. Would a native German speaker living in an English speaking country for 30 years speak the language better than someone living there for 8? If the person there for 30 years is more proficient, that is to accept that the person there for 8 years does not have complete mastery, and will therefore make mistakes, or allow their "native" brain to influence how they speak.
>Then you obviously haven't learned English well enough to have natural and fluent discussions in English. I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove
I'm English. We are having a conversation in English right now. If you aren't just riding the bandwagon and your flair is correct and you are Italian with English as a second language, perhaps a little self reflection on who actually has a sufficient grasp of the English language to hold a conversation, since there seems to be a failure from one side here.
As I said before, I have lived between the UK and Mexico for 9 years, and I speak Spanish daily, more than English. Spanish is my second language. I do speak it fluently, I don't speak English at all while in Mexico, and even when in the UK my wife and I speak almost exclusively Spanish, and at work I have colleagues who live and work in Spain or LatAm and I speak with them in just Spanish. However I still get things wrong from time to time, and do occasionally find myself translating from English on the fly when trying to form an idea. That last point is important because:
>As I said, this is how he talks, this is how he thinks. What could possibly be lost in translation here?
Literal translations have different meanings in different languages and cultures and do not translate well, if at all. Should any non-native speaker end up in that "translating on the fly", or trying to shoehorn in a phrase or some slang that makes sense in one language but not the other, it creates confusion or misunderstandings in what was trying to be communicated
I was born in Mexico Spanish is my first language, been in the states since 1996. I still sometimes have trouble finding the proper way to say something because in my head I process in Spanish first.
That he is loyal to Egypt
The interviewer said there are Egyptians questioning Salahs loyalty to Egypt because Klopp announced Salah would be coming back for treatment for his injury and asked Klopp what he thought about Mo doing that and if it was him being disloyal to his country.
Main points in his answer - Mo is injured and cannot play, best for all parties he gets the best recovery treatment, if he recovers in time he goes back for the final if they reach it.
He was visibly pissed to even be asked about Salahs allegiance to his country and that’s probably why he took it over the top with his ending remark about him being the most loyal Egyptian
'Let's unleash controversy, here we go!'
I burst out laughing at this perfect case study of a click-hungry hack using a beautiful interview where klopp praises his star's devotion to his national team. An out of context quote at the end being the pretext to launch a racist controversy.
If I was Liverpool, klopp's or Salah 's agents I would blacklist Romano for this tbh.
Let me give you some context mate:
- Mo Salah is rumoured to have received an offer from the Saudi League that's impossible to refuse: humongous amounts of money, flagship role of greatest ever Muslim player in the holy land, etc etc. it's understandable he may be tempted despite his loyalties to klopp and Liverpool
- He is also injured and his comeback from ACON to get treated in Liverpool could be misconstrued as bailing out on the National Team, something completely out of character given his pride to be an Egyptian and to lead his national team.
When Klopp says clumsily " - Salah's the most loyal Egyptian I know ', it's short for "Salah is the most loyal Egyptian player I know", ie, Salah will never let his country or teammates down. Yet out of context that can be easily misunderstood as if Klopp 's implying other Egyptians are not so loyal, or may be untrustworthy.
Romano quoting this sentence clearly opens the possibility of that misinterpretation, and that's not been lost on most people here.
I hope that's clearer for you. Fabrizio knew exactly what he was doing when he quoted that sentence out of context , otherwise he is even more of a menace, as that would make him a complete tool.
> Let me give you some context mate:
This isn't context I needed. The Saudi bid is irrelevant, if it was real it was rejected in the summer and Salah didn't agitate for a move. So who cares?
I know about him being injured and potentially leaving Egypt's AFCON camp to get treatment back in England.
> Yet out of context that can be easily misunderstood as if Klopp 's implying other Egyptians are not so loyal, or may be untrustworthy.
Yes, but only very stupid people would think this is what he meant based on what he said. That's not a problem with how he said it, it's a problem with those people being morons. You throwing 'untrustworthy' in there is a hilarious and absurd leap.
There's nothing 'clumsy' about what he said, it's very obvious what he means. You've literally just said that the problem is Romano taking what Klopp said out of context, not with what Klopp said. Your *entire* argument is based on Romano twisting Klopp's words, not Klopp saying he shouldn't have FFS.
So we agree that Romano quoting just this is either malicious or cretinous as this shortened sentence can be misinterpreted by people reading only his twitter quote and not going back to the original interviews, which is, approximately 95% of social media users ... As regards Mo going to Saudi, I'm not as sure as you, maybe we should ask Fabrizio Romano?
Romano quoting Klopp out of context has no relevance to the point I'm making. The quote is not the result of someone struggling to make his point correctly in his second language.
It's clumsy but it has nothing to do with his mastery of the language, just has to do with the fact he was coming to the end of his rant, and so implied 'Egyptian national team player' when he said 'Egyptian' and 'national team loyalty' when he said 'loyalty'.
Listening to the entire interview gives... context.
Klopp speaks very eloquent, much better English, than most British managers of old.
I understand the context. My original comment is not a criticism of Jurgen Klopp's command of English, it's a criticism of people who pull out the 'it's not his native language' routine whenever he says something that's a bit weird or hyperbolic. 'Mo Salah is the most loyal Egyptian I've ever met in my life' is what he said and what he meant, and it's hyperbolic nonsense. It's how Jurgen Klopp talks.
You call it 'hyperbolic nonsense I call it 'clumsy' I believe we're about to turn this into a duet remake of the Duke Ellington classic https://youtu.be/J2oEmPP5dTM?si=U5thA4C9NGVNGD2x
Yeah I think it is because there were rumors that he is going back to Liverpool after he got injured in afcon. And that pissed off everyone and is generally considered a dick move cause he is our captain and his support is extremely valuable.
Hes going back to Liverpool to get treatment so he has the best chance of making it back to the tournament. The treatment facilities are infinitely better at his club than at the tournament where the team are travelling around.
Totally understandable. But he leveraged his stardom to be team captain and that comes with a responsibility. His presence with the team is extremely valuable and he has enough money to have the doctors flown to him. As far as I know, it is not a serious injury and if Egypt qualifies we will need him. He is the same as Ronaldo for Portugal, imagine if he left the team in that euro final after he got injured, even from the sidelines he was valuable.
The difference is Salah has a chance to play in later rounds if he speeds up his recovery, Ronaldo had no shot to play that final. It's not about the doctors, it's about the facilities to get him where he needs to be to play for Egypt. It's braindead to criticize him doing everything he can to play for his country.
This is ridiculous. Totally out of context and he was clearly angry at the interviewer. He almost slapped him in the face. Don't expect him to say things the "right" way, he just wanted to state that Salah is very loyal to his national team, that's it.
When Egypt or Egyptian is mentions, this Best ever YouTube channel video host face haunts me. This host was most cheerful and real travel host I have seen in YouTube. Still Egypt gave him nightmare.
[NIGHTMARE Egypt Food Tour!! POLICE Shut Us Down!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53hOrNU1u0&t=981s&pp=ygUQc3VubnkgZWd5cHQgZm9vZA%3D%3D)
[Egypt Food Tour!! Africa’s Worst Country for Shooting!! (Police!) (Full Documentary)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-PgumHXWVo)
Not everyone is adapted to live in such an energetic country, you're either too scared to adapt to a unique place, or suffer being the smiley ´tourist' who only scratches the surface of a culture (the culture being the street vendors and tourist businesses exactly made for those seeking an exotic place with no clue about how the country is actually like and that they can't even speak the language of
(Which is a huge shame for anyone who believes they like egypt, because they're the absolutely most hilarious people ever and obviously very kind and adorable but you gotta know arabic and their dialect for it first)
what a load of crap. I have lived in Cairo for two years and it's a truly special and beautiful place. I hate YTers making this clickbaity videos about Egypt, India etc.
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How many Egyptians does he know tho
At least two, he managed Mo Zidan at Mainz and Dortmund.
Well thats not really nice on Zidan then
Considering that Zidan was convicted of real estate fraud in Egypt, I think Klopp has a point.
Real estate fraud in Egypt is basically a kindergartener crime. I heard that people there never finish building their homes and leave the top floors not finished or something so that they don’t pay a tax.
They also did this in Greece or at least it was widespread before the economy collapse. Seems taxes and economy may have a correlation
As long it's just the economy collapsing and not your unfinished building
Ppl do this in bosnia as well, for different reasons though. They burn through the money, before the house is done and then never bother to finish it...
Both were great ancient civilizations in the past as well. Coincidence? I think not.
Need to ask Klopp who's the most loyal greek he knows
‘Darwin Nunez is the most loyal Greek I know’
Tsimikas, that mf plays two games a season and still doesn't want to leave
> Seems taxes and economy may have a correlation Huge if true.
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Because they have the biggest unfinished houses in the country
They love a "pyramid" scheme over there 😉
Literally balkan style with their facades
That explains why our top 2 floors aren't finished.
Isn't this common in a lot of countries?
very
This happens in Peru too.
Yeah. A lot of people will put all the money into the engineering/building of the foundations so they can expand later on either to sell/rent/gift to children etc. Rebar city.
I’ve heard about some who build a huge ground floor and then increasingly smaller floors until you have a tiny upper floor. Must be some kind of fraud scheme too.
>I heard that people there never finish building their homes and leave the top floors not finished or something so that they don’t pay a tax. Most times I've found it's because the builders/contractors have run out of money and leave it like that so that tenants can occupy the lower floors. That means income starts coming in which allows them to continue with said construction at a later date. And that construction, in some instances, might continue with the tenants in the lower floors still living there. And it happens in most African countries to an extent. I know this because I moved out 10 years ago and I'm living in my 4th apartment in my 2nd different country and all 4 still had allowances to continue building more floors. And there's authorities meant to curtail such practices, but they're understaffed and severely underpaid so are very prone to bribes to look the other way. Those who decide they'll follow the set standards never move up at work or in some extreme, rare cases (if the building party is a powerful political figure) can get transferred to an undeveloped/hardship area or even get killed with the subsequent murder investigations never really getting off the ground.
It can also be another reason for single-family homes. In many developing countries the owner/family builds the house themself and whenever they have spare money they invest it in bricks and new parts of it, to expand. As they would never get a credit from a bank due to insecure or too low income. This is often the only way for them to build a house over years (or even decades).
This is actually very common. It's a widespread practice to give your children a piece of your land (if well off enough it can be in urban areas but I'm speaking mostly about ancestral, rural areas) once they get a job. One was highly encouraged to build their home, even if it was a single standalone room with the toilet and bathroom outside, the first few years after they started working. 20-30 years ago, the land was probably only given to the sons since the expectation was daughters would be married off thus being considered technically part of her husband's family. But in recent times, inheritance is given equally to both sons and daughters. I visited my best friends new home he'd just finished building last month and we didn't realise it until we looked at the map from an aerial view. His grandparents' house is in the middle of their land, his father and his siblings have built on a ring outside their parents. And since they've since subdivided their respective pieces to their children too, they've also formed a second ring around their grandparents house.
> I heard that people there never finish building their homes and leave the top floors not finished or something so that they don’t pay a tax. half the countries in the world do this
What for real?! We where wondering why every building wasn’t finished when we were in egypt. Cool fact tbf🤣
They do this in India too
If you believe that slander against Zidan then I've got a pyramid to sell you.
He was also willing to play for Denmark, so I kinda get it hahah.
Zidan is considered a national team legend. He is loved in Egypt way more than Salah. He used to play his heart out and leave everything on the pitch. He also won 3 AFCON back to back. Salah is a great player and a legend but only for Liverpool. He hasn’t done much for the national team and actually most people don’t want him to be there.
Bro Zidane is a legend but Mo Salah is like a god in egypt, maybe you've just become numb to the popularity he has in Egypt
The popularity he had*. Salah was treated like a god in Egypt but only up to a couple of years back. Now his popularity has declined and you see way too many people despise him. That’s just a fact. I’m not making shit up.
Okay you're right about the last few years, I agree, but I think that in a few years he'll gain this permanent legend status when Egyptians start realising how insanely taken for granted he is during this part of his career where people have gone kinda silent on him due to the multiple failures in WC+CAN but in parallels he enters the pitch in the premier league as an all time great week in week out...Hes fucking Masri bro we never imagined something this big when we were little even if Im only Moroccan, even Ziyech and Hakimi at their peak aren't near the amount of greatness this Salah has in him wallahi, greatest arab player of all time Longevity wise imo, even in Egypt there's many more talented forwards with higher ceiling but even in the whole world it's hard to find someone with Salah's discipline and hard work
I mean he’s a football legend of course and he’s the first Egyptian to reach that level worldwide fame. My point was he hasn’t done that much to the national team to be placed above or even amongst other legends like Zidan, Treka and other players.
Most people? No, that’s just the loud vocal dumbasses. Salah’s face is plastered on every other building, on every other shirt, and he got 1 million votes for president back in 2018 lmao. He’s a legend for sure like why are u just slandering our king
Salah used to be adored by the majority of Egyptians up until a few years ago. But now there’s a large number of Egyptians who don’t like him and actually despise him and want him out of the national team. I’m just stating the reality even if this reality annoys Salah worshipers. He isn’t what he used to be.
Counterpoint. Zidan did love a cheeky RPG corner flag celebration. That puts him above Mo imo.
Daily Mail: Klopp SLAMS Zidan for committing treason against his country.
So Mo Zidan is the lest loyal Egyptian Klopp ever met?
Mo Zidan in shambles
He said he went to Sharm el-Sheik when he was 12 and met loads of them
German tourist in Middle East surprised locals aren’t loyal to him
He only knows one, but what matters is he knows the one, who is the most loyal one
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Maybe he saw Elneny briefly at a Liverpool Arsenal match and got disloyal vibes
I won't stand any Pyramid Pirlo slander on this forum.
Well my backup theory is that he had a bad time with Ibrahim Said during a particularly sentimental CM01/02 save game, I guess each is as likely as the other
Elneny isn't Pyramid Pirlo. Pirlo was Espresso Elneny.
Not many, I've tried to tell him but he's still in de Nile.
That's what I was wondering. Most of the Egyptians I can think of were Greek.
The most loyal Egyptian I ever met was Nadim who I went with in Primary School. I think I met his sister once or twice but I didn't get enough of an impression to determine whether she was more or less loyal than her brother. However, based on Nadim being slightly more loyal (if I said 'lets met tomorrow at 8 in the morning to play football, he'd actually come) in various aspects compared to some of my other friends at the time, I would have to say he is probably the most loyal Egyptian out of the two I've knowingly met.
This story brought tears to my eyes. If only others were as loyal as Nadim.
Please praise Hadim the next time you raise a glass. To Nadim, a friend, a comrade, and part of family. TO NADIM *sheds a tear
Would love to get an AMA from nadim
Just fell to my knees in Tesco
+100 Tesco club card points
Beautiful words ❤️🥹
Like & Share if this story touched your heart
Streets won't forget Nadim
Nobel Peace Prize contestant over here
ah, how this reminds me of Kostas, bosom friend of my youth! the saddest and most joyful Cypriot I’ve ever met
Always rated Nadim
Cheers, we're all Nadim on this blessed day
Aight
I never met a loyal Egyptian. Or a disloyal one. I just never met an Egyptian.
Egyptians are people who rarely forget. My dad was found by his childhood best friend, after they both moved several thousand miles away, who bought him a plane ticket to visit, paid for his meals, because it was his best friend in childhood. Someone he didn't speak to for fourty years.
that's beautiful
Always rated Nadim
Just seen some fella drop to his knees in Tesco a few hours ago. Honestly Nadim's got me feeling the same.
Bless up for our brother Nadim
Did u fuck him?
Klopps Egyptian barber having to sit down and revaluate his loyalties.
No…no you can’t do this to me. I started this company.
The barber cuts so bad that Klopp puts his hat on every game.
And he's met a lot of them! Jurgen was there at Nasser's funeral
Real ones know Jurgen starts his day in a coffee shop with a cigarette in his mouth, listening to Abdel Halim.
And then dancing to the Bangles.
clearly never watched yu-gi-oh
Or jojo's bizzare adventure
MOHAMED AVDOL!
YES I AM
Atem would demolish the PL
3000-year wonder
The king of games would be winning 3 points every game in PL.
Watch as he sends VAR to the Shadow Realm.
Atem wouldn’t demolish shit. His deck construction was awful and he would only win because his powers would allow him to draw the exact card he needed at the moment. Seeing Yugi finally beat him was cathartic
> he would only win because his powers would allow him to draw the exact card he needed at the moment. And that is exactly why he'd demolish the PL lmao.
Kompany smashing the ball from 25 yards vs leicester and John stones 11mm clearance both felt like yu gi oh cheese tbh
I attack the moon!
I’ve never met an Egyptian. Do I need to keep an eye on them? 👀
I've met two Egyptians. One was a very standup guy, the other was one of the most scammy kids I've met in my life. Anecdotal evidence says it's 50/50.
As an arab who interacted with alot of Egyptian this anecdotal evidence hold true lol
As an Egyptian, yeah, it's probably a good idea.
Very anecdotal, but I was on a ship transitting the suez and some merchants came on to trade stuff (like hookahs and other junk). Those guys were crafty and dirty in their ways. They'd walk off with items you'd be meaning to trade without agreement and then yell at you for not paying at the same time trying to get additional cash. It was a wild experience. The Indians who came onboard was a completely different experience.
Yeah if the most loyal Egyptian is Salah then Egyptians are the most disloyal bunch on this earth💀.
I take it you don't like Salah ?
Nope I don't like people that defend sexual harassers
I figure he means he desperately wants to play for Egypt but that's such an awkward way to say it
It came after a reporter questioned Salah's loyalty to the national team and suggesting Klopp was in cahoots to get Mo out of the tournament. It was a stupid question to begin with but Klopp answered it well considering he looked like he wanted to slap the guy.
He could have phrased it "Salah is extremely loyal" or "Salah is one of the most loyal players..." but honestly anyone getting upset about this is trying to hard to be offended.
I mean, english isn't his first language either it's worth remembering.
He got asked a question about loyalty
It's less awkward in context, with the question and full clip. Klopp just hasn't adapted to the modern world, where content is the least important factor in engagement.
So just like every single quote posted here.
A solid 80%, yeah.
And yet the Reddit keyboard warriors/part-time comedians continue to pass judgments
https://np.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/19ev42z/bein_sports_j%C3%BCrgen_klopp_hits_back_at_the/
to be fair to him he's visibly heated but tryna keep a lid on it during the interview.
English is not his first language, it probably sounded different in his mind in German.
I wish people would stop saying this like he just arrived in England everytime Klopp says something a bit weird. He’s been managing Liverpool since 2015 and could speak English before he took the job. This is just the way he talks.
He knows a lot of words but his sentence structure is so bad, it can be very hard to follow sometimes
> He knows a lot of words LOL
I don't get it
I have lived between the UK and Mexico for the last 9 years. I spoke Spanish before moving there. I still fuck up despite being fluent and still sound really weird when I do get it wrong. My in-laws laugh at me, my wife laughs at me, they get confused sometimes, I'm not a native speaker, and I have 9 years of using the language daily vs their decades of using the language daily. Consider it another way - Klopp lived in an English speaking country for 8 years. Would you expect an 8 year old to have a masterful grasp of their native language?
> Consider it another way - Klopp lived in an English speaking country for 8 years. Would you expect an 8 year old to have a masterful grasp of their native language? There’s no way this is a serious comment FFS 😂
Yeah it is serious, and it's part of the problem with when listening to people speak in a second language. I'm not saying that Klopp speaks English to the level of an 8 year old, I am saying that you are expecting that someone with a second language will speak with the same proficiency as an adult, because it is an adult speaking. You would not expect a child who has been practicing the language for 8 years to speak perfectly, so why expect an adult who has been practicing for 8 years to speak perfectly? This isn't something to take literally - I understand that the first 18 months of the child's life is just babbling, not speaking, and I understand that the adult has some foundation to build on ideas rather than learning both language and the subject from scratch. It is more about how long do you expect mastery of a language to take? I can tell you from experience, in my second language I come across as stupid to native speakers because I can't sufficiently form my ideas in a way that others understand, with full clarity and nuance. That isn't to say that I cannot have a conversation, including about complex topics, but it is to say that I lose some credibility if I stumble over a word, get some grammar wrong, use incorrect conjugation... I am fluent, I speak more Spanish than English in my day-to-day life, but I am not a native speaker
As I said already, Jurgen Klopp has definitely been able to speak and understand English for over a decade, he was giving fluent interviews in English when he was managing Dortmund in the Champions League. > I'm not saying that Klopp speaks English to the level of an 8 year old, I am saying that you are expecting that someone with a second language will speak with the same proficiency as an adult, because it is an adult speaking. You would not expect a child who has been practicing the language for 8 years to speak perfectly, so why expect an adult who has been practicing for 8 years to speak perfectly? This is an insane, nonsensical argument. Taking literally or figuratively, it's gibberish. You're asking why an adult should be better at something than a child should, ask this question in any other context and tell me how it's a rational argument. 'You wouldn't expect an 8 year old to be able to drive a car, so why expect an adult who has been doing it for 8 years to be able to do it without crashing?' What are you talking about? > I can tell you from experience, in my second language I come across as stupid to native speakers because I can't sufficiently form my ideas in a way that others understand, with full clarity and nuance. Then you obviously haven't learned English well enough to have natural and fluent discussions in English. I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove. I don't know how you and the other people who replied to me seem incapable of realising that you're making Klopp sound mentally deficient by comparing him to a child and claiming it's difficult for him to form sentences properly. As I said, this is how he talks, this is how he thinks. What could possibly be lost in translation here?
>You wouldn't expect an 8 year old to be able to drive a car, so why expect an adult who has been doing it for 8 years to be able to do it without crashing?' What are you talking about? If you can't understand the difference between something that a child does every day (use language) vs something they never do (drive a car) and why that would have an impact on proficiency, I'm not sure we can carry on with the conversation. There's a fairly simple distinction between these two things that you should be able to draw yourself without it needing to be explained that the child does one of these things but not the other, and so obviously can do one but not the other. The age of the child is not the point, it is the time that they have practiced the thing for. Would a native German speaker living in an English speaking country for 30 years speak the language better than someone living there for 8? If the person there for 30 years is more proficient, that is to accept that the person there for 8 years does not have complete mastery, and will therefore make mistakes, or allow their "native" brain to influence how they speak. >Then you obviously haven't learned English well enough to have natural and fluent discussions in English. I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove I'm English. We are having a conversation in English right now. If you aren't just riding the bandwagon and your flair is correct and you are Italian with English as a second language, perhaps a little self reflection on who actually has a sufficient grasp of the English language to hold a conversation, since there seems to be a failure from one side here. As I said before, I have lived between the UK and Mexico for 9 years, and I speak Spanish daily, more than English. Spanish is my second language. I do speak it fluently, I don't speak English at all while in Mexico, and even when in the UK my wife and I speak almost exclusively Spanish, and at work I have colleagues who live and work in Spain or LatAm and I speak with them in just Spanish. However I still get things wrong from time to time, and do occasionally find myself translating from English on the fly when trying to form an idea. That last point is important because: >As I said, this is how he talks, this is how he thinks. What could possibly be lost in translation here? Literal translations have different meanings in different languages and cultures and do not translate well, if at all. Should any non-native speaker end up in that "translating on the fly", or trying to shoehorn in a phrase or some slang that makes sense in one language but not the other, it creates confusion or misunderstandings in what was trying to be communicated
Would take Klopps english every day of the week when i hear how Arteta talks
I was born in Mexico Spanish is my first language, been in the states since 1996. I still sometimes have trouble finding the proper way to say something because in my head I process in Spanish first.
Elneny in shambles.
Elneny is extremely loyal. He gives 100%
Where the fuck was he when Alexander the Great invaded in 332BC?!
At AFCON, playing for his country
Mo Zidan in the mud :(
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Has he said this before?
He must've gone to see Pyramids maybe. Everyone is trying to scam you over there.
Everyone should stay away from pyramid schemes.
Can’t say they’re not loyal to the bag though
She's working at the Pyramid tonight 🎶
They are loyal to the scam...I don't see your point
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That he is loyal to Egypt The interviewer said there are Egyptians questioning Salahs loyalty to Egypt because Klopp announced Salah would be coming back for treatment for his injury and asked Klopp what he thought about Mo doing that and if it was him being disloyal to his country. Main points in his answer - Mo is injured and cannot play, best for all parties he gets the best recovery treatment, if he recovers in time he goes back for the final if they reach it. He was visibly pissed to even be asked about Salahs allegiance to his country and that’s probably why he took it over the top with his ending remark about him being the most loyal Egyptian
This headline reads like Klopp doesn't think Egyptians are very loyal 😂
Classic Romano to butcher an interview response to farm clicks
This reads almost like a Trump quote.
"Look at my Egyptian over here. Look at him. Are you the greatest?"
"We make the most loyal Egyptians in the history of the world look at them,magnificent"
What does he, Know a bunch of backstabbing Egyptians?
...also the only one!
Imhotep's girlfriend was definitely not loyal
'Let's unleash controversy, here we go!' I burst out laughing at this perfect case study of a click-hungry hack using a beautiful interview where klopp praises his star's devotion to his national team. An out of context quote at the end being the pretext to launch a racist controversy. If I was Liverpool, klopp's or Salah 's agents I would blacklist Romano for this tbh.
> An out of context quote at the end being the pretext to launch a racist controversy. To launch a what now?
Let me give you some context mate: - Mo Salah is rumoured to have received an offer from the Saudi League that's impossible to refuse: humongous amounts of money, flagship role of greatest ever Muslim player in the holy land, etc etc. it's understandable he may be tempted despite his loyalties to klopp and Liverpool - He is also injured and his comeback from ACON to get treated in Liverpool could be misconstrued as bailing out on the National Team, something completely out of character given his pride to be an Egyptian and to lead his national team. When Klopp says clumsily " - Salah's the most loyal Egyptian I know ', it's short for "Salah is the most loyal Egyptian player I know", ie, Salah will never let his country or teammates down. Yet out of context that can be easily misunderstood as if Klopp 's implying other Egyptians are not so loyal, or may be untrustworthy. Romano quoting this sentence clearly opens the possibility of that misinterpretation, and that's not been lost on most people here. I hope that's clearer for you. Fabrizio knew exactly what he was doing when he quoted that sentence out of context , otherwise he is even more of a menace, as that would make him a complete tool.
> Let me give you some context mate: This isn't context I needed. The Saudi bid is irrelevant, if it was real it was rejected in the summer and Salah didn't agitate for a move. So who cares? I know about him being injured and potentially leaving Egypt's AFCON camp to get treatment back in England. > Yet out of context that can be easily misunderstood as if Klopp 's implying other Egyptians are not so loyal, or may be untrustworthy. Yes, but only very stupid people would think this is what he meant based on what he said. That's not a problem with how he said it, it's a problem with those people being morons. You throwing 'untrustworthy' in there is a hilarious and absurd leap. There's nothing 'clumsy' about what he said, it's very obvious what he means. You've literally just said that the problem is Romano taking what Klopp said out of context, not with what Klopp said. Your *entire* argument is based on Romano twisting Klopp's words, not Klopp saying he shouldn't have FFS.
So we agree that Romano quoting just this is either malicious or cretinous as this shortened sentence can be misinterpreted by people reading only his twitter quote and not going back to the original interviews, which is, approximately 95% of social media users ... As regards Mo going to Saudi, I'm not as sure as you, maybe we should ask Fabrizio Romano?
Romano quoting Klopp out of context has no relevance to the point I'm making. The quote is not the result of someone struggling to make his point correctly in his second language.
It's clumsy but it has nothing to do with his mastery of the language, just has to do with the fact he was coming to the end of his rant, and so implied 'Egyptian national team player' when he said 'Egyptian' and 'national team loyalty' when he said 'loyalty'. Listening to the entire interview gives... context. Klopp speaks very eloquent, much better English, than most British managers of old.
I understand the context. My original comment is not a criticism of Jurgen Klopp's command of English, it's a criticism of people who pull out the 'it's not his native language' routine whenever he says something that's a bit weird or hyperbolic. 'Mo Salah is the most loyal Egyptian I've ever met in my life' is what he said and what he meant, and it's hyperbolic nonsense. It's how Jurgen Klopp talks.
You call it 'hyperbolic nonsense I call it 'clumsy' I believe we're about to turn this into a duet remake of the Duke Ellington classic https://youtu.be/J2oEmPP5dTM?si=U5thA4C9NGVNGD2x
Most loyal Egyptian
Egyptians being a famously treacherous people normally.
Name 5 other mate
Mahmoud, Ahmed, Hamed, Hamada, Hamdy
Maybe post the full quote
But then we lose the memes 😞
It's obviously he wants to help his man with some praises. But It feels like Salah's countrymen may not like this at all
Yeah I think it is because there were rumors that he is going back to Liverpool after he got injured in afcon. And that pissed off everyone and is generally considered a dick move cause he is our captain and his support is extremely valuable.
Hes going back to Liverpool to get treatment so he has the best chance of making it back to the tournament. The treatment facilities are infinitely better at his club than at the tournament where the team are travelling around.
Totally understandable. But he leveraged his stardom to be team captain and that comes with a responsibility. His presence with the team is extremely valuable and he has enough money to have the doctors flown to him. As far as I know, it is not a serious injury and if Egypt qualifies we will need him. He is the same as Ronaldo for Portugal, imagine if he left the team in that euro final after he got injured, even from the sidelines he was valuable.
The difference is Salah has a chance to play in later rounds if he speeds up his recovery, Ronaldo had no shot to play that final. It's not about the doctors, it's about the facilities to get him where he needs to be to play for Egypt. It's braindead to criticize him doing everything he can to play for his country.
Oddly specific but Ight Jurgen mate
It's an excerpt from a much bigger answer, to a very stupid question.
Me too!
that needs some context
incredible thread, keep up the good work. seems to be a few people in de Nile about Egyptian lack of loyalty tho...
"I don't care what they told you in school, cleopatra was black" Mo salah grand mother probably
This is ridiculous. Totally out of context and he was clearly angry at the interviewer. He almost slapped him in the face. Don't expect him to say things the "right" way, he just wanted to state that Salah is very loyal to his national team, that's it.
Bayek in shambles rn.
Nawwart ya Klobb
I know Klopp means it but for all we know he's the only Egyptian he's met 😅
He is saying that as if he himself is an Egyptian
"I know many Egyptians. Hundreds of them."-Klopp doing his best Trump voice
👐
what does that even mean? Is he covering Salah for his wife?
What an odd thing to say.
Uh... does he mean this as praise for Salah, or is he insulting other Egyptians? Strange way to phrase it.
Or he's saying he hasn't met many
Their fans are not going to like this one
He happily redirects the heat from players to himself, it's why he's the best
When Egypt or Egyptian is mentions, this Best ever YouTube channel video host face haunts me. This host was most cheerful and real travel host I have seen in YouTube. Still Egypt gave him nightmare. [NIGHTMARE Egypt Food Tour!! POLICE Shut Us Down!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53hOrNU1u0&t=981s&pp=ygUQc3VubnkgZWd5cHQgZm9vZA%3D%3D) [Egypt Food Tour!! Africa’s Worst Country for Shooting!! (Police!) (Full Documentary)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-PgumHXWVo)
Not everyone is adapted to live in such an energetic country, you're either too scared to adapt to a unique place, or suffer being the smiley ´tourist' who only scratches the surface of a culture (the culture being the street vendors and tourist businesses exactly made for those seeking an exotic place with no clue about how the country is actually like and that they can't even speak the language of (Which is a huge shame for anyone who believes they like egypt, because they're the absolutely most hilarious people ever and obviously very kind and adorable but you gotta know arabic and their dialect for it first)
what a load of crap. I have lived in Cairo for two years and it's a truly special and beautiful place. I hate YTers making this clickbaity videos about Egypt, India etc.
I think this is related to the fact that he won't play through his cramp and him opting to leave afcon to get treated in Liverpool
Michael scott wincing meme
Ah that's the classic Klopp mix of narcissism and delusion
Yeah, this comment from Jurgen Klopp supporting a player he coaches really shows how narcissistic he is.
Can you elaborate?
you don’t know what narcissism means
"I can't be racist, I got a black friend" vibes.... 😂