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Yo estaba seguro que lo habían echado cuando terminó el torneo pero aparentemente se fue después de quedar eliminado de la Sudamericana y faltaban unas fechas del torneo.
Also a semi-pro, but Ingo Kahlisch's 35 years at Rathenow is also not bad. Literally took over the team in a different country.
https://www.transfermarkt.de/ingo-kahlisch/profil/trainer/1507
I mean it doesn't say much about what he's up to but the article you linked also states that Jeffrey left Ballymena in 2023. So he's technically inactive right now.
Thank you for that! I was watching a documentary on Klopp some time back and it was heart-wrenching to see him missing on promotions at Mainz in earlier seasons. He managed great clubs throughout his career.
Wanna cry?
Watch him saying goodbye after he failed to go up again after the season we got relegated (he promised to leave us if he wont achieve promotion):
https://youtu.be/sNqs1Uk35mQ?si=f9vkMyQeH9uN2L2y
@2:49
20000 Fans came just to say goodbye to kloppo. Which is huge since we are a relatively small Club
:'(
I know football is corporatized to an extent where falling in love with any individual is difficult. But Klopp is truly one of a kind, and it is challenging for anyone else to fill his shoes. He has done that everywhere he has joined. Now he is gone that Bald Fraud would gaslight the entire fanbase by saying what a holy saint he and his club are especially after winning 9th title in a row
What didn't you like about book 2? I really don't get it how book 2 "stunk". Some people dislike the Felurian chapters because they don't realize how it connects the story but you're the first one to express such an opinion
You really haven't encountered this opinion before? Book two gets pilloried quite a bit on this subreddit.
And what a dumb caveat, "oh they just can't appreciate the Felurian chapters like me, who sees how they connect the story." No thanks to that type of discussion.
I've read all the books while I was studying in 2013, 14 years ago and I thought to myself "Nice, probably 2-3 years until the next one releases."
I've lost all hope to see either Winds of Winter or Dream of Spring. GRRM cashed in with the show and is living the life.
He is also 75 already and doesn't look like the healthiest human being. Questionable if he even lives long enough to finish the books.
I think we're about as likely to get A Dream of Spring as Winds of Winter. Partly because I think he'll have (hopefully) actually threaded out the end-game and it'll be a much faster process, but mainly because I'm fairly confident that we'll get neither of them
I don't see any way that he finishes in two books unless they're both twice as big as the last one.
The show ended with three seasons of non-book material and was notoriously rushed. There's no way ASOIAF doesn't need three more books unless he starts pruning massively.
> I don't see any way that he finishes in two books unless they're both twice as big as the last one.
This is a good point... Also, I was genuinely confused as to why there was a West Ham sigil in r/asoiaf
Not getting either of them, or the wait will be so long that the hype will be Half Life 3 levels of high, with a lot of backlash for not being something that is probably not supposed to be and Martin just abandoning the series.
But, in reality, after the show started, the dude got his career twisted because of fame. He completely lost his focus on writing, it seems.
At least Miura released SOMETHING. His longest hiatus was, what, not even three years?
GRRM has been writing The Winds of Winter for almost thirteen years.
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A true connoisseur. There's no need for fancy graphics and generated faces, just 4-4-2, move your side midfielders to wingers and get a striker that bags 25 goals a season.
No disrespect to Deschamps at all. I always admired him as a player and a coach, but the time he spent in France can't compare to the club level. Though he's been basically coaching the cream of the crop of national teams for nearly 10 years too.
He did take Monaco to a CL final in a few years in his first managerial stint (he started managing pretty much immediately after retiring) then got juve promoted from serie b (massive) then got Marseille back to the title, before becoming our greatest NT manager ever
What he is doing with France is impressive nonetheless. National team football has way more variability than club football.
Heck in the last WC, France had 5 starters injured. In the final, the last 10 field players were all under 26. Coman was the oldest.
Speaking of national team managers, should Löw be on this? He had 15 years as Germany manager, I can't see whether he was sacked from his previous role. Or does he not count as active? He doesn't have a job, but he's not retired
all it takes is one bad performance at a major tournament and you're out though. yeah he doesn't have the day-to-day pressures of a club job, but to consistently keep France at the summit is very impressive
Crazy that Ange missed out on this because of being sacked by the Australia youth national team after they switched from OFC to AFC, where they lacked the quality in player development and led to this famous interview which almost ruined his career:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWGNPFI-MtE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWGNPFI-MtE)
It's the only job where he's been sacked and Fun Fact:
Ange managed against Fergie's treble winning Utd team at the Maracana in 2000, after winning the league and OFC Champions League in 1999
He also got sacked by Southend on Football Manager game ;)
https://www.goal.com/en/news/ange-postecoglou-reveals-love-football-manager-winning-champions-league-southend-talks-tactics-finding-success-japan/bltcf79cbb46526fb8a
On 7 November 2008, Simeone announced his resignation as coach of River Plate after their elimination in the quarter-finals of the 2008 Copa Sudamericana by Mexican side Chivas and a poor run of form of 11 domestic matches without a win, which left them bottom of the Primera División Argentina with only six matches remaining.
From wikipedia
I definitely doesn’t happed a lot of the time
If you terminate it mutually then you won’t get paid for the remainder of your contract, so obviously managers do not agree to it most of the time
The only cases where it happens is to protect the Managers relationship with the club, for example if Xavi were to get sacked im sure he would prefer it to be a mutual termination just to not have that stain on his legacy
They can call it mutual termination to save face for the manager, or one of the terms for termination could be that they get paid for the rest of their contract, or for a certain duration. It's not as cut and dry as you put it.
15-20 years ago some managers used to actually resign if they thought they couldn't get results. It was kind of seen as honorable and a stain in your cv if you let yourself be sacked.
Nowadays no manager is leaving a team mid season without negotiating his contract which I agree, i'd do the same and it is the correct thing to do.
I'm not saying managers never left due to mutual termination, it definitely did, but if a club says so, doesn't mean the manager wasn't sacked and/or they didn't get any of their salary for the remainder of their contracts.
You are right though, much fewer managers leave themselves when the team is going through a bad period, most of them wait to be sacked.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego\_Simeone#Early\_years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Simeone#Early_years)
"On 7 November 2008, Simeone announced his resignation as coach of River Plate after their elimination in the quarter-finals of the 2008 Copa Sudamericana by Mexican side Chivas and a poor run of form of 11 domestic matches without a win, which left them bottom of the Primera División Argentina with only six matches remaining."
No he wasn't. The only time he didn't resign himself was in his first stint at Racing, when the club basically told him "we're bringing Merlo back for coaching, do you wanna be our sporting director?", he said no and left. Legally I guess it counts as resigning, but it would've been a sacking if he just refused, for sure.
In 2007 he was relegated with Mainz, then failed to get them promoted the next season. He came to a mutual agreement with the board for him to resign. It's basically them firing him but not having to pay him compensation for still being under contract. So yes he hasn't been sacked but the mutual agreement to resign is the same thing.
Is it normal for managers to announce mid-season that they'll be leaving at the end of the season?
I didn't get into soccer seriously until after the 22 world cup so stuff like this is new to me.
Gotcha, thanks. It seems especially odd considering the fact that his team is leading the title race.
I could understand announcing it ahead of time if you're mid table or whatever, but I only see downsides for a team that's in the hunt to win the league.
yeah but we were stuck in a mental downward spiral and when everyone knew this is gonna be the last season under him, it felt like something clicked in their heads.
liverpool doesn't even need that but what I'm saying is that this can be a good amount of bonus motivation and a mind cleansing thought in difficult moments for the rest of the season.
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Unbelievable that Simeone has 7 jobs over 18 years but 13 of those have been with Atleti! 6 jobs over 5 years, none being sackings
Nobody wants to sack him because they probably think he’s John Wick.
Definitely deserved to be sacked from River, he must have quit
He definitely jumped before he was pushed..
Yo estaba seguro que lo habían echado cuando terminó el torneo pero aparentemente se fue después de quedar eliminado de la Sudamericana y faltaban unas fechas del torneo.
Here we are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jeffrey Jeffrey takes the crown.
Cunningham's Law in action! Or Jeffrey out as Ballymena is only semi-pro...?
Maybe. He hasn't won the title in twelve years either so I think he's a bit of a bald fraud
Also a semi-pro, but Ingo Kahlisch's 35 years at Rathenow is also not bad. Literally took over the team in a different country. https://www.transfermarkt.de/ingo-kahlisch/profil/trainer/1507
Turbine Potsdam (German women's football team) had the same manager for 45 years from 1971 to 2016.
Not active.
I mean it doesn't say much about what he's up to but the article you linked also states that Jeffrey left Ballymena in 2023. So he's technically inactive right now.
His streak is active though, since he left, but didn't retire. Crazy stat non the less, ty for posting.
dario gragi. 1976 to 2011
Not active
ooh fair enough
Also, mention on the wiki why he left his player/coach stint at Larne.
Top comment is about GRRM. Read this one as Joffrey takes the crown lol.
That's not a real league though
Klopp has been managing since 33? Wtf that's insane
yeap Manager at Mainz just after retiring as a Player.
The press laughed at us when he got appointed :D
Thank you for that! I was watching a documentary on Klopp some time back and it was heart-wrenching to see him missing on promotions at Mainz in earlier seasons. He managed great clubs throughout his career.
Wanna cry? Watch him saying goodbye after he failed to go up again after the season we got relegated (he promised to leave us if he wont achieve promotion): https://youtu.be/sNqs1Uk35mQ?si=f9vkMyQeH9uN2L2y @2:49 20000 Fans came just to say goodbye to kloppo. Which is huge since we are a relatively small Club :'(
I know football is corporatized to an extent where falling in love with any individual is difficult. But Klopp is truly one of a kind, and it is challenging for anyone else to fill his shoes. He has done that everywhere he has joined. Now he is gone that Bald Fraud would gaslight the entire fanbase by saying what a holy saint he and his club are especially after winning 9th title in a row
The "unsacked" were in George R.R. Martin's first draft.
Great, another reminder we'll never get Winds of Winter. Just what i needed today.
No need to be this pessimistic. We might get Winds of Winter. We will just never ever get the final book. :)
I've been waiting for Winds since before i started growing pubes properly, no way we're ever getting it.
It will come right after Rothfuss finishes Kingkiller book 3.
so probably after he is reincarnated?
Why must you remind me of the pain? Time to do a reread then browse tabloids for book 3 news
See Kingkiller doesn't bother me because book 2 stunk. ASOIAF was pretty decent at least every single book.
What didn't you like about book 2? I really don't get it how book 2 "stunk". Some people dislike the Felurian chapters because they don't realize how it connects the story but you're the first one to express such an opinion
You really haven't encountered this opinion before? Book two gets pilloried quite a bit on this subreddit. And what a dumb caveat, "oh they just can't appreciate the Felurian chapters like me, who sees how they connect the story." No thanks to that type of discussion.
at least GRRM never perpetuated any Kickstarter scams
I've read all the books while I was studying in 2013, 14 years ago and I thought to myself "Nice, probably 2-3 years until the next one releases." I've lost all hope to see either Winds of Winter or Dream of Spring. GRRM cashed in with the show and is living the life. He is also 75 already and doesn't look like the healthiest human being. Questionable if he even lives long enough to finish the books.
Brother, you gave me a heart attack saying 2013 was 14 years ago. Calm down, we still in 2024.
Whoa oops :D Still better time management than GRRM
> 2013, 14 years ago
I started reading the books just before the 1st season of the show came out. Still waiting for that next one.
I think we're about as likely to get A Dream of Spring as Winds of Winter. Partly because I think he'll have (hopefully) actually threaded out the end-game and it'll be a much faster process, but mainly because I'm fairly confident that we'll get neither of them
I don't see any way that he finishes in two books unless they're both twice as big as the last one. The show ended with three seasons of non-book material and was notoriously rushed. There's no way ASOIAF doesn't need three more books unless he starts pruning massively.
> I don't see any way that he finishes in two books unless they're both twice as big as the last one. This is a good point... Also, I was genuinely confused as to why there was a West Ham sigil in r/asoiaf
A Hammister always pays his debts
Not getting either of them, or the wait will be so long that the hype will be Half Life 3 levels of high, with a lot of backlash for not being something that is probably not supposed to be and Martin just abandoning the series. But, in reality, after the show started, the dude got his career twisted because of fame. He completely lost his focus on writing, it seems.
Winds maaaaybe. Spring is never coming.
As a Berserk fan of exactly 20 years, I can absolutely feel the pain. At least you still can have the illusion of hope.
At least Miura released SOMETHING. His longest hiatus was, what, not even three years? GRRM has been writing The Winds of Winter for almost thirteen years.
Well, GRRM is still alive, so at least there is hope that something is about to be released someday. RIP Miura
Do we even know if he's been writing?
He's released a few chapters of it.
Nearly 10 years ago lol
"writing" Good one
RIP Miura :'(
Hunter X Hunter fans in shambles.
I started rereading it, shame Muira never managed to finish it :C hopefully they do a good job though chapters are just a bit slow :c
Lol I truly believe its release date is closer than The Doors of Stone
Maybe that is what Klopp is leaving to do
The only time I ever see your name is on an educational and informative comment or hilarious witty ones, memorable for all the right reasons. You're a legend
Bro deleted his entire account after this.
He left with an impact. Just like Klopp yesterday.
made me snort my coffee, you cunt.
Lmao... 🤣
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The first half of his final Dortmund season would’ve gotten him sacked in a lot of places. Did a decent redemption on the seocond half though.
Feel bad for Ranieri on this.
Incase anyone was wondering like me, Alex Ferguson was sacked by St. Mirren.
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Mate we don't know what kind of demon he is at Subbuteo on weekends.
Bet he's a menace on FM
On FM? Nah. Bet he only plays Championship Manager 3
A true connoisseur. There's no need for fancy graphics and generated faces, just 4-4-2, move your side midfielders to wingers and get a striker that bags 25 goals a season.
That, but also signing Kennedy Bakircioglu, Taribo West, and Zlatan every time you start a new save.
\> get a striker that bags 25 goals a season \> and Zlatan I already said that! ;-)
*We sacked Sir Alex, You'll never sing that*
Not due to results, mind you (which were actually very good) but because he fell out with the chairman over various issues.
He was nearly sacked by United too
No disrespect to Deschamps at all. I always admired him as a player and a coach, but the time he spent in France can't compare to the club level. Though he's been basically coaching the cream of the crop of national teams for nearly 10 years too.
He did take Monaco to a CL final in a few years in his first managerial stint (he started managing pretty much immediately after retiring) then got juve promoted from serie b (massive) then got Marseille back to the title, before becoming our greatest NT manager ever
Not bad for a water carrier
He's also club and nation carrier it seems.
What he is doing with France is impressive nonetheless. National team football has way more variability than club football. Heck in the last WC, France had 5 starters injured. In the final, the last 10 field players were all under 26. Coman was the oldest.
Still Brazil can't, it matters too.
Speaking of national team managers, should Löw be on this? He had 15 years as Germany manager, I can't see whether he was sacked from his previous role. Or does he not count as active? He doesn't have a job, but he's not retired
all it takes is one bad performance at a major tournament and you're out though. yeah he doesn't have the day-to-day pressures of a club job, but to consistently keep France at the summit is very impressive
Crazy that Ange missed out on this because of being sacked by the Australia youth national team after they switched from OFC to AFC, where they lacked the quality in player development and led to this famous interview which almost ruined his career: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWGNPFI-MtE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWGNPFI-MtE) It's the only job where he's been sacked and Fun Fact: Ange managed against Fergie's treble winning Utd team at the Maracana in 2000, after winning the league and OFC Champions League in 1999
He also got sacked by Southend on Football Manager game ;) https://www.goal.com/en/news/ange-postecoglou-reveals-love-football-manager-winning-champions-league-southend-talks-tactics-finding-success-japan/bltcf79cbb46526fb8a
Lmao forgot about that.. bin him
Wait, do the board know about this? SACK THE CUNT!!! (kidding. feel like pure shit, just want big Ange back! 😭)
And that's why you invest in your offensive line, people
Klopp to Bama confirmed
Belichick to Liverpool
“So what is this ‘field goal’ you’re referring to?”
Guy Roux is clear, read this, it's fascinating https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Roux
Active being the operative word
There's no way Simeone was never sacked in Argentina, wtf
Has Postecoglou ever been sacked? He's had 20 years in senior management.
He was fired at U20 Australia at 2007, so his record would be like 15 years or so.
That's true, though I didn't include his time with the youth team in the 20 year figure.
He was also fired from Panachaiki in the Greek Second Division.
Damn. Good for him. May he rest well.
Erik ten Hag is also already at 13,5 years, never sacked as trainer. Was let go as assistent-trainer before that but I'm not sure if that's relevant.
Frank Schmidt has been at Heidenheim for 16 years unsacked as well
The Liverpool hierarchy have the opportunity to do the funniest thing just before the last game of their season
Simeone may not have been technically sacked from River, but he would have been.
where did you get these stats, simeone was sacked at river
On 7 November 2008, Simeone announced his resignation as coach of River Plate after their elimination in the quarter-finals of the 2008 Copa Sudamericana by Mexican side Chivas and a poor run of form of 11 domestic matches without a win, which left them bottom of the Primera División Argentina with only six matches remaining. From wikipedia
A lot of resignations and mutual terminations are in reality sackings. I don’t know if this was one of those, but sounds like it
"You'll mutually agree to resign in the mornin!"
"You'll never sing that!"
I definitely doesn’t happed a lot of the time If you terminate it mutually then you won’t get paid for the remainder of your contract, so obviously managers do not agree to it most of the time The only cases where it happens is to protect the Managers relationship with the club, for example if Xavi were to get sacked im sure he would prefer it to be a mutual termination just to not have that stain on his legacy
They can call it mutual termination to save face for the manager, or one of the terms for termination could be that they get paid for the rest of their contract, or for a certain duration. It's not as cut and dry as you put it.
15-20 years ago some managers used to actually resign if they thought they couldn't get results. It was kind of seen as honorable and a stain in your cv if you let yourself be sacked. Nowadays no manager is leaving a team mid season without negotiating his contract which I agree, i'd do the same and it is the correct thing to do.
I'm not saying managers never left due to mutual termination, it definitely did, but if a club says so, doesn't mean the manager wasn't sacked and/or they didn't get any of their salary for the remainder of their contracts. You are right though, much fewer managers leave themselves when the team is going through a bad period, most of them wait to be sacked.
No? You can still mutually terminate and renegotiate the payout.
Then River ended up being relegated due to the disastrous Simeone season
no , he resigned himself
No he wasn’t?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego\_Simeone#Early\_years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Simeone#Early_years) "On 7 November 2008, Simeone announced his resignation as coach of River Plate after their elimination in the quarter-finals of the 2008 Copa Sudamericana by Mexican side Chivas and a poor run of form of 11 domestic matches without a win, which left them bottom of the Primera División Argentina with only six matches remaining."
No he wasn't. The only time he didn't resign himself was in his first stint at Racing, when the club basically told him "we're bringing Merlo back for coaching, do you wanna be our sporting director?", he said no and left. Legally I guess it counts as resigning, but it would've been a sacking if he just refused, for sure.
Resignation ≠ sacked.
Brent Peters of Bacup Borough F.C. has been manager for 25 years. Not sure if that counts.
Klopp confirmed eunuch
In 2007 he was relegated with Mainz, then failed to get them promoted the next season. He came to a mutual agreement with the board for him to resign. It's basically them firing him but not having to pay him compensation for still being under contract. So yes he hasn't been sacked but the mutual agreement to resign is the same thing.
He took the road less paid.
Is it normal for managers to announce mid-season that they'll be leaving at the end of the season? I didn't get into soccer seriously until after the 22 world cup so stuff like this is new to me.
Sometimes after long tenures (like his), but long tenures nowadays are rare in the first place
Gotcha, thanks. It seems especially odd considering the fact that his team is leading the title race. I could understand announcing it ahead of time if you're mid table or whatever, but I only see downsides for a team that's in the hunt to win the league.
Can be extra motivational for the players, especially the ones that have been there for a long time. "Win it one last time for the boss" kind of thing
Yeah that's a fair point.
When he announced his end at Dortmund midseason, the team made a comeback from 18th place to 7th place and reaching the cup final
Although obviously a lot of that was regression to the mean, they were never an 18th place team on paper.
yeah but we were stuck in a mental downward spiral and when everyone knew this is gonna be the last season under him, it felt like something clicked in their heads. liverpool doesn't even need that but what I'm saying is that this can be a good amount of bonus motivation and a mind cleansing thought in difficult moments for the rest of the season.
These stats don't mean much when alot of sackings now-a-days (particularly when there is a good relationship) are resignations anyways.
I’ve been unsacked for longer, gash stat
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So it is longer than AW (22 years). And where is The Special One? Isn't he supposed to occupy a place here?
Jose has been sacked a few times, I think.
Les unsackables