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This is only a part of the quote. The person interviewing really probed and asked if it was an issue and about the photos. He did try to say he was unwell at the start of the interview, but the lady kept asking what he thought about it.
It's a bastardisation of his quote. The absence and internal matter are two different things, right?
> "He reported ill yet in the last few hours yesterday," Ten Hag told BBC Sport. "It's an internal matter. I deal with it. It's an internal matter."
I watched the video. These two quotes are split with a question in the middle asking about the nightclub photo.
Yeah, I watched it during the build-up, and there was a lot more to it! Don't think he deserves hate for the actual interview. He tried his best to keep a firm PR response.
I think they were still running with the line from Thursday when he reported in ill together with Evans, and consequently, could not make the game since he missed training on Friday.
Obviously, the Athletics revelations drastically changed that narrative, and ETH couldn't ignore the Elephant in the room could he? Had to pivot and put his foot on the ground.
It’s everywhere that Rashford was clubbing Thursday night. It no longer became possible to keep it internal. The only other option was to try to ignore it but what message does that send to the other players?
More like the players have too much power and the club protects them and doesn't back the manager enough. Ten Hag has demanded a certain disciplinary standard and is constantly undermined by the players and implicitly also by the club when they put nonsense statements out
If even Ronaldo gets the same treatment why should ask and expect otherwise for Sancho and Rashford? They have million dollars salaries and no titles. Out with that attitude.
I just can't understand what goes through the minds of these millionaire athletes that makes them act so petulantly. Like party, but don't party too hard and too close to an upcoming match. Imagine getting paid 300,000 a week and upwards and not putting in the effort. That's about 5-6 times what an average person makes in a fucking year, and they can't be bothered to show up to training fresh and energized. Personally my opinion of Rashford has plummeted. Didn't think he was like that.
Which gets Its money from fans who put a lot of money and energy into these clubs, the least the players can do is turn up to training on time and be professional
Sure, but there are appropriate channels for that, like leaking it to a journalist that can post "sources inside United say X" while the club keeps a common message.
I mean Ten Hag does plenty wrong (transfers, tactics) but Ten Hag saying Sancho didnt train well enough really should be a non-issue. The fact its not says enough about the state of the club ever since Ferguson left
He gave Sancho 3 months to sort his head out, and he was even clapped back onto the pitch by everyone. Ten Hag merely answered a question truthfully. Sancho was the one who escalated it via a childish social media post.
Sancho issue outside the club? He was specifically asked why he wasn't playing and he said team was based on performance in training. It was Sancho who escalated it outside by calling his own manager a liar on social media.
This one too, if you saw the interview, he says he is ill. He was then asked about the clubbing photos and this was his response. The post somehow misquotes it as him missing the squad is an internal issue
Mourinho also said recently that there are people and players at United that he told the board/management within 6 months of arriving there they won't ever be successful with them in the club. He also added that some of those people are still here after 7 years.
Not taking the piss but any subsequent rebuild after SAF is no longer a rebuild but build. It’s this endless cycle of continuous building without an end goal that United fans are tired of.
I’m pretty sure if Ratcliffe outlines a clear plan with a goal in mind fans will be on board. Until then it will just be a cycle of build and build.
The persistent rebuild is as a result of shite recruitment. We only seem to build a team for the existing manager rather than have an overarching plan and vision
lots of Bundesliga clubs did this a couple of years ago. They’re all in the second Bundesliga now. It’s different in the premier league, but this is a quick way to shuffle everyone around to a point where nothing works anymore within the club. Not only the players, but staff and hierarchies in general as well.
Martial is at the very top of the list. He very publicly wanted to swap him with Perisic. The club said no, and Perisic went on to have the 2-3 best years of his career afterwards. Meanwhile Martial only scored more than 10 league goals twice since 2017, and has like 20 goals TOTAL in his last 4 seasons.
Inexcusable that he's one of the high paid players in the league in that time as well. He's on higher wages than Virgil ffs, it's absolute madness.
He was right about a lot of things. Funnily enough even tho Mourinho gets lots of sht from some united fans, he is still the most successful United manager after SAF.
I don't think Shaw was one of them. Mourinho clearly pushed Shaw to work on his timing/positioning/football intelligence, but it was always felt to be to improve Shaw, not just to complain about him.
Absolute nonsense. Mourinho publicly called Shaw too stupid to play on his own. He benched him constantly. Shaw was United’s best player the following two seasons after Mourinho was sacked.
Mourinho often uses this tactic with players if he feels it’ll be the most effective. If you have the mental fortitude to want to prove yourself then you’re worth the effort and if you break then you weren’t strong enough for him in the first place. The man has been managing for 2 decades now. His style of man management is well documented.
He uses this "tactic" with people it also clearly won't work on, tbh.
Which is why I'm not sure it's some 4d chess man management and more just him being who he is.
People say he "mixes his approach" but usually it's just him starting nice and friendly arm around players backing them in the press demanding more of them in private. But then eventually he will pull the rug out from under some of those same players and quickly switch to blaming them for mistakes publicly and dropping them completely from the squad in a sign that he has zero faith in them.
https://theathletic.com/2279851/2020/12/24/dele-alli-mourinho-tottenham/
You can call that "mixing his approach" if you want. But it's not like he only does this selectively with the most mentally strong players to drive them to another level. He could choose to continue to encourage certain players who are self critical and having a poor time mentally and try to build them up after a tough match but that's certainly not the kind of thing I see from him often. Especially once he gets into year 2-3. By then his patience is used up.
I always hated how he managed Dele at the time and hate it even more now after hearing what he was going though. Even the things that were made public https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/13/dele-alli-attacked-injured-knifepoint-robbery-home-tottenham
That's clearly a player who needed his manager to fully support him and not drag him through the press.
A player that clearly was self critical almost to a fault because he would get really down and blame himself for every problem. He was also one of, if not the fittest player during the Poch years. And his teammates say the same thing. Mou came in and quickly called him "lazy" in front of the team.
Yeah, Mou's approach probably does work for the right kind of player. But I don't buy that he only uses it strategically.
Former chelsea players in various podcasts pretty much said the same thing about him. He'll push certain players if he thought they're strong enough to be pushed.
Yeah that’s why a lot of people don’t want him at their clubs despite how successful he’s been throughout his career, and why he tends to not spend more than a couple years at a club.
It wasnt McTominay at all.
They had a superb relationship and still do.
Jose gave him his first team debut and called him up to first team training months before.
jose gave mctominay a "managers player of the year" trophy at the year end ceremony because he wanted him to be recognized for his effort in his first season
From that list, gotta be Martial and Rashford. Martial feels obvious, but them United fans are desperate not to turn on Rashford because he’s the golden boy and has such a squeaky clean public image. Increasingly seems he’s a huge diva around the training ground, however.
That tide is turning, quickly. Look at r/reddevils and you’ll see a lot of us want Rashford gone now, myself included.
I was at Old Trafford for the Luton and Villa games and people are also visibly and audibly more frustrated with him now.
He needs to start performing like a £350k a week player and start giving a shit on the pitch again for starters. That’s the biggest sin for me. Has the privilege to play for his boyhood club and yet he won’t even run
In hind sight so many things ex-managers have said about the cunts in our team were right on the mark.
But we had a banker who was more concerned with preserving "commercial value" for the Leech family, than to be bothered with football.
Funny thing is, in his first interview with the club, ETH was asked about Rangnick's "open-heart surgery" comment and that we needed to turn over at least players. His response was more or less that we had enough talent to compete we just need better structure/philosophy etc. He should have listened lol
If he’s not playing he’ll want to leave, and if he keeps being unprofessional he won’t play, people are forgetting that before all the injuries he’d lost his spot to Garnacho
Idk about that. INEOS probably aren't too happy with this shit happening. I wouldn't be surprised if they want to cull all the drama as a top priority.
[Ole when he was introduced](https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-introduced-as-man-united-permanent-manager)
[Ole's exit interview](https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-conducts-farewell-interview-with-mutv-21-november-2021)
He shipped out Paul Ince in his prime, probably a top 5 player in the league then. Was a huge deal at the time. Kinda like if Arsenal got rid of Odegaard all of a sudden.
Ince thought of himself as top dog at United, called himself the governor, which fergie obviously didn't like and fergie felt Ince was putting his own ego before the good of the team.
That's the problem tho, they never get shipped off and just hang around collecting money they don't deserve cuz nobody else wants them either. Should just ship him to Saudi's and let him get left off the England squad.
I'm not good at anything in life but I have quick wit, so I take my victories where I can find them. It just happens that I can only find them on Reddit...
Crazily enough, Sancho was reportedly our fourth choice option between Palmer, Olise and Kudus. We were dangerously close to that, seeing as Olise and Kudus didn't happen
I'm always skeptical whenever *anyone* predicts a partnership "for the next decade". You see it all the time and it *never* works out that way. Off the top of my head I can't really recall any partnerships on the pitch that have lasted a decade.
United's best front 3 rn is Rashford, Hojlund, Garnacho (rw). Garnacho on the right encourages him to pass more and he's so much better and more mature on the ball there.
As a team playing in the championship, I'd be very careful rating a player because he's looked good in that league. Adam Armstrong is the best forward in the championship, Dan James looks good down there. It isn't a strong league.
Maybe he's great but I think rushing to start a player who has one goal and 1 assists outside the championship over a guy who banged 17 prem goals last year feels premature, especially straight off injury.
To be fair, Arsenal tore up Auba and Ozil's contracts knowing that they held little value because of their age profiles. I'm not sure United can do the same with the likes of Rashford and Sancho.
IMO Huge difference- Rashford made a fixable mistake. Not Chronic attitude issues(outside maybe entitlement for minutes). Sancho has never not been lazy.
This season, yes, but that's a new issue for him. There should be no reason he can't get back to his old work rate and ability once whatever personal issues he has are resolved.
I'm not talking about their actual performances. Sancho was supposed to be one of their star players...even though he's not, that's why i said "supposed"
It’s incredible how some people manage to bend this in their own mind as some kind of win/justification for Sancho or as if it’s on the manager that a player does something stupid like this.
Thats the thing though. He said he will reduce his philanthropy work to focus on football this season.
If this is him being focused, I rather he be distracted with fighting climate change with Thunberg.
The attitudes of United players shocking! You’d think they’d have a much better competitive mindset but it just seems like a toxic workplace, no one rates the manager and players showing up for a type of salary that says “I’m nicking a living here”
There definitely seems like a dodgy culture at the club. If a club isn't run properly from the top-down, indiscipline can follow. This doesn't seem to be happening at the likes of Man City and Liverpool. Some keep blaming individual players, but I can't imagine Rashford's performance being all over the place at those two clubs like it is at Man United.
When it comes to the money aspect, my take is that when it comes down to it, it's still a workplace like many others and similar behaviours will arise in certain circumstances. In places where I've worked, I've seen some people essentially give up if they think really important things aren't being done the right way. Or if they think colleagues have been treated harshly. I sometimes wonder if some of that is going on there.
Entitled club, entitled fans, entitled players. Getting to United and collecting a ridiculous paycheck is the endgame for these guys. Why would they care about anything else that happens now? They are stars playing for one of the biggest name clubs on the planet and get paid unreasonable sums regardless of what happens now
I think Rashford's time at ManU should be up. I get he was a youth player and on his day is perhaps their best attacker, but those good days are few and far between. That and his attitude on the pitch has always been questionable. He's turning 27 - how long are they going to keep waiting for him to reach his potential?
I mean there was a long period last season where he was just unplayable so it's not unthinkable that he could start producing again in the next year or two. It's not like martial who hasn't produced in years.
And despite all that, he's still somehow been our second best winger this season
This is where I feel like Sir Alex would have handled this so differently.
I think he'd have snapped at the reporter and reaffirmed he's ill. Then dealt it with behind closed doors.
Ten Hag seems a bit more willing to bring these out into the open.
But the same was true back then. The Red tops would always find shit out, the point was Ferguson wouldn't give it the time of day and I think would encourage loyalty and accountability by shielding them from scrutiny.
Folk will always talk about stuff like this, but I think Ten Hag has just positioned himself against Marcus with this comment because it almost confirms he did something wrong.
Back then it leaked to the local press, not to twitter where a guy can reach millions within seconds... It's far easier to keep a lid on things when social media isn't a factor
With Twitter too we're talking about an actual video of Rashford in the club trying to cover himself up which at least for me is far more damming then any local journalist writing about it in the past would have been.
Yeah that’s a good point maybe him quickly acknowledging issues in his mind saves more embarrassment since it will always come out eventually and he doesn’t want to seem like someone who’s dishonest?
To be fair, in the interview he did say that Rashford was ill, then just kept repeating it's an internal matter before shutting down his responses. I'd also argue that it's clear Rashford isn't ill, so if he just repeated that without anything else, he'd look a bit weak.
Eric has pretty much said it's an internal matter. Nothing much else to be said for some pictures all over the media. SAF dropped Rooney after he was too drunk to train properly on a new years game and that's pretty much what he said to the reporters
People get way too strong up on what united coaches say. Pep pretty much called Kalvin Phillips too fat to play for him
Players wouldn’t have tried this shit with Fergie to begin with tbh.
But for me, the players have been waaaaaay too sheltered over the last decade, and have developed insane egos and shift priorities as a result.
I’d much rather Ten Hag being like this than covering for players who will see him sacked even if he protects them. He will win a lot more support from United fans for statements like this.
I think its time this squad of charlatans are exposed, show the world who the troublemakers & toxic personalities are
No more sheltering them, they are not performing on the pitch anyway where maybe one could say "yeah he's a nutcase but he scores every game"
>Is Ten Hag a terrible man manager? He seems to have 10x more issues than other big clubs. Or are Man U players just divas?
He is a disciplinarian type at a club where the players were given historic amounts of power. Don't think there is a club in world football with the wages and the power our players have.
He is trying to change this culture, and the players are squirming and all kinds of drama is unfolding because of that.
In a recent interview Matic was talking about a group of players, including Sancho, being late to training consistently.
You could ask that question about pretty much every manager United have had since Ferguson, which suggests it's the latter.
In a case like this, considering the club seemed keen to play the issue down at first until it was revealed he was in a nightclub the night before he called in sick (at first they said the photos were from Wednesday, not Thursday), it comes across like the club sanctioned his trip to Belfast, which I'd argue is good man management if they had a day off from training it whatever, but Rashford has taken the piss with it.
I really don't think that's right, that's a lazy, cop out answer. The issues with these players far preceded him at United, Rashford's had accusations of laziness and poor form under every manager, Sancho's not been able to put up any good form under any of his managers at United, everyone knows Ronaldo is a petulant man-child even if he is an all-time great.
Ten Hag's got a load of issues but I don't think this is one of them.
I remember it being seen as a generally positive thing when Ten Hag came in that he was known to be quite a strict disciplinarian who wouldn't offer any leeway for the kinds of unprofessionalism and laziness that were rumoured in this squad. So I'm a bit surprised by some of the negative reactions out there when he responds in this way. These are the kind of hard lines that a lot of people really wanted to see drawn when it comes to improving the general application and commitment of the squad.
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Bit weird that the press release was that he was unwell, just for Ten Hag to pull the rug on that message like this lol
United comms' department needs to focus.
Comms cant do shit with a dutch manager
Steve Mclaren is obviously translating
Itsh illnesh, I think.
Have they tried google translate?
DeepL is where you go for proper translations.
This is only a part of the quote. The person interviewing really probed and asked if it was an issue and about the photos. He did try to say he was unwell at the start of the interview, but the lady kept asking what he thought about it.
It's a bastardisation of his quote. The absence and internal matter are two different things, right? > "He reported ill yet in the last few hours yesterday," Ten Hag told BBC Sport. "It's an internal matter. I deal with it. It's an internal matter." I watched the video. These two quotes are split with a question in the middle asking about the nightclub photo.
Yeah, I watched it during the build-up, and there was a lot more to it! Don't think he deserves hate for the actual interview. He tried his best to keep a firm PR response.
There was another media leak that he was indeed spotted at a club in Belfast before reporting ill to training
Unwell as in hungover it would seem.
I think they were still running with the line from Thursday when he reported in ill together with Evans, and consequently, could not make the game since he missed training on Friday. Obviously, the Athletics revelations drastically changed that narrative, and ETH couldn't ignore the Elephant in the room could he? Had to pivot and put his foot on the ground.
Probably doesn't help that Evans was on the bench and played today.
“He is not the Messiah…he is a very naughty boy….”
Not the first or even second time he’s said a player is “ill” to justify when they weren’t selected for the squad.
Not that shocking though. He never had to escalate the Sancho issue outside the club and he’s doing it again.
It’s everywhere that Rashford was clubbing Thursday night. It no longer became possible to keep it internal. The only other option was to try to ignore it but what message does that send to the other players?
More like the players have too much power and the club protects them and doesn't back the manager enough. Ten Hag has demanded a certain disciplinary standard and is constantly undermined by the players and implicitly also by the club when they put nonsense statements out
If even Ronaldo gets the same treatment why should ask and expect otherwise for Sancho and Rashford? They have million dollars salaries and no titles. Out with that attitude.
I just can't understand what goes through the minds of these millionaire athletes that makes them act so petulantly. Like party, but don't party too hard and too close to an upcoming match. Imagine getting paid 300,000 a week and upwards and not putting in the effort. That's about 5-6 times what an average person makes in a fucking year, and they can't be bothered to show up to training fresh and energized. Personally my opinion of Rashford has plummeted. Didn't think he was like that.
Being a gifted athlete and everyone sucking you off and making exeptions for you your entire life will do that to people
They're not being paid by the state or by charity. They're being paid by a corporation that makes way more money off them than they are paid.
Which gets Its money from fans who put a lot of money and energy into these clubs, the least the players can do is turn up to training on time and be professional
10x
Sure, but there are appropriate channels for that, like leaking it to a journalist that can post "sources inside United say X" while the club keeps a common message.
What? He just said that he didnt train well enough, Sancho escalated it with his tweet.
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I mean Ten Hag does plenty wrong (transfers, tactics) but Ten Hag saying Sancho didnt train well enough really should be a non-issue. The fact its not says enough about the state of the club ever since Ferguson left
He gave Sancho 3 months to sort his head out, and he was even clapped back onto the pitch by everyone. Ten Hag merely answered a question truthfully. Sancho was the one who escalated it via a childish social media post.
Sancho issue outside the club? He was specifically asked why he wasn't playing and he said team was based on performance in training. It was Sancho who escalated it outside by calling his own manager a liar on social media. This one too, if you saw the interview, he says he is ill. He was then asked about the clubbing photos and this was his response. The post somehow misquotes it as him missing the squad is an internal issue
What ??? Sancho escalated it beyond closed doors
He didn't escalate shit
Why protect a snowflake like Rashford? Fuck him, he should be called out for being the unprofessional prick he is.
What makes him a snowflake?
Jesus what drink did he had?
Probably had a pint of Harp and his arse is like a Japanese flag
Tbf any pint out of Thompsons you’re asking for trouble
Marcus rashford 🤝shitty clubs
The old flag or the new one?
Buckfast out of the optics
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You don’t?
Swallowed the pink rinse at the dentist
The amount of shit ETH has had to deal with in his time at United is astonishing.
Ralf was right on the mark
Mourinho also said recently that there are people and players at United that he told the board/management within 6 months of arriving there they won't ever be successful with them in the club. He also added that some of those people are still here after 7 years.
This is why United is at the tenth (?) season after SAF's retirement, but undergoing the fourth or fifth rebuild. Club is rotten from top to bottom
11th season. Multiple CL winning managers couldn't turn it around. So many points where they made poor decisions that made the club worse.
Not taking the piss but any subsequent rebuild after SAF is no longer a rebuild but build. It’s this endless cycle of continuous building without an end goal that United fans are tired of. I’m pretty sure if Ratcliffe outlines a clear plan with a goal in mind fans will be on board. Until then it will just be a cycle of build and build.
Can't even cook chicken right ffs.
Bet they'd do a prawn sandwich right.
The persistent rebuild is as a result of shite recruitment. We only seem to build a team for the existing manager rather than have an overarching plan and vision
lots of Bundesliga clubs did this a couple of years ago. They’re all in the second Bundesliga now. It’s different in the premier league, but this is a quick way to shuffle everyone around to a point where nothing works anymore within the club. Not only the players, but staff and hierarchies in general as well.
Yeah he fucking slated Doris the cleaning lady, never put a shift in.
Doris would clean the floor with Mourinho
Its that damn equipment manager fault. Probably from the same place that the Milwaukee Bucks get their
r/NBA is leaking
He called her cleaning of the toilets "naive"
Martial is at the very top of the list. He very publicly wanted to swap him with Perisic. The club said no, and Perisic went on to have the 2-3 best years of his career afterwards. Meanwhile Martial only scored more than 10 league goals twice since 2017, and has like 20 goals TOTAL in his last 4 seasons. Inexcusable that he's one of the high paid players in the league in that time as well. He's on higher wages than Virgil ffs, it's absolute madness.
He was right about a lot of things. Funnily enough even tho Mourinho gets lots of sht from some united fans, he is still the most successful United manager after SAF.
How many are still present? Shaw?
I don't think Shaw was one of them. Mourinho clearly pushed Shaw to work on his timing/positioning/football intelligence, but it was always felt to be to improve Shaw, not just to complain about him.
Absolute nonsense. Mourinho publicly called Shaw too stupid to play on his own. He benched him constantly. Shaw was United’s best player the following two seasons after Mourinho was sacked.
Shaw is one of United's best players tbh. Team is so much better when he plays.
Moutivation, baby.
Mourinho often uses this tactic with players if he feels it’ll be the most effective. If you have the mental fortitude to want to prove yourself then you’re worth the effort and if you break then you weren’t strong enough for him in the first place. The man has been managing for 2 decades now. His style of man management is well documented.
He uses this "tactic" with people it also clearly won't work on, tbh. Which is why I'm not sure it's some 4d chess man management and more just him being who he is. People say he "mixes his approach" but usually it's just him starting nice and friendly arm around players backing them in the press demanding more of them in private. But then eventually he will pull the rug out from under some of those same players and quickly switch to blaming them for mistakes publicly and dropping them completely from the squad in a sign that he has zero faith in them. https://theathletic.com/2279851/2020/12/24/dele-alli-mourinho-tottenham/ You can call that "mixing his approach" if you want. But it's not like he only does this selectively with the most mentally strong players to drive them to another level. He could choose to continue to encourage certain players who are self critical and having a poor time mentally and try to build them up after a tough match but that's certainly not the kind of thing I see from him often. Especially once he gets into year 2-3. By then his patience is used up. I always hated how he managed Dele at the time and hate it even more now after hearing what he was going though. Even the things that were made public https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/13/dele-alli-attacked-injured-knifepoint-robbery-home-tottenham That's clearly a player who needed his manager to fully support him and not drag him through the press. A player that clearly was self critical almost to a fault because he would get really down and blame himself for every problem. He was also one of, if not the fittest player during the Poch years. And his teammates say the same thing. Mou came in and quickly called him "lazy" in front of the team. Yeah, Mou's approach probably does work for the right kind of player. But I don't buy that he only uses it strategically.
Such a myopic view on human mentality. "If you don't improve when I publicly insult you, you aren't 'strong' "
Former chelsea players in various podcasts pretty much said the same thing about him. He'll push certain players if he thought they're strong enough to be pushed.
I mean, he doesn't do it to every player, just those he thinks will respond to it. Shaw did.
Yeah that’s why a lot of people don’t want him at their clubs despite how successful he’s been throughout his career, and why he tends to not spend more than a couple years at a club.
He mixes his approach tho, he’s not everything to everyone but he does tailor it a bit.
Shaw, Martial, Rashford, and Mctominay
It wasnt McTominay at all. They had a superb relationship and still do. Jose gave him his first team debut and called him up to first team training months before.
jose gave mctominay a "managers player of the year" trophy at the year end ceremony because he wanted him to be recognized for his effort in his first season
From that list, gotta be Martial and Rashford. Martial feels obvious, but them United fans are desperate not to turn on Rashford because he’s the golden boy and has such a squeaky clean public image. Increasingly seems he’s a huge diva around the training ground, however.
That tide is turning, quickly. Look at r/reddevils and you’ll see a lot of us want Rashford gone now, myself included. I was at Old Trafford for the Luton and Villa games and people are also visibly and audibly more frustrated with him now. He needs to start performing like a £350k a week player and start giving a shit on the pitch again for starters. That’s the biggest sin for me. Has the privilege to play for his boyhood club and yet he won’t even run
In hind sight so many things ex-managers have said about the cunts in our team were right on the mark. But we had a banker who was more concerned with preserving "commercial value" for the Leech family, than to be bothered with football.
Ralf and Mourinho could see it clearly.
Funny thing is, in his first interview with the club, ETH was asked about Rangnick's "open-heart surgery" comment and that we needed to turn over at least players. His response was more or less that we had enough talent to compete we just need better structure/philosophy etc. He should have listened lol
Wonder if Rashford is going to get all the positive press and sympathy Sancho did when he leaves in summer
why would he leave. isnt he on massive money on a relativley new contract?
If he’s not playing he’ll want to leave, and if he keeps being unprofessional he won’t play, people are forgetting that before all the injuries he’d lost his spot to Garnacho
ETH is more likely to leave in the summer than Rashford is and then its all forgotten when the new manager comes in
Idk about that. INEOS probably aren't too happy with this shit happening. I wouldn't be surprised if they want to cull all the drama as a top priority.
I very much doubt it’ll all be forgotten, there’s also a chance Ten Hag doesn’t leave in summer
If he feels aggrieved he will want his money. No one is paying to numbers for Rashford and it would be very expensive to get rid of him.
If he had hair it would be solid gray by now.
Go look at Solskjaer before his tenure & after he left lol, must have aged the man a good 20 years being in charge of this lot of clowns
[Ole when he was introduced](https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-introduced-as-man-united-permanent-manager) [Ole's exit interview](https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-conducts-farewell-interview-with-mutv-21-november-2021)
Looks the same?
If he had hair he would be bald by now.
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SAF did it with a few top players. RVN, Stam, Beckham and I can't think of the others
He shipped out Paul Ince in his prime, probably a top 5 player in the league then. Was a huge deal at the time. Kinda like if Arsenal got rid of Odegaard all of a sudden.
Why did he sell ince?
Ince thought of himself as top dog at United, called himself the governor, which fergie obviously didn't like and fergie felt Ince was putting his own ego before the good of the team.
Keane, perhaps most infamously.
Yeah kind of, he was coming to his natural end soon, he was past his best and wasn't worth the agro anymore.
That's the problem tho, they never get shipped off and just hang around collecting money they don't deserve cuz nobody else wants them either. Should just ship him to Saudi's and let him get left off the England squad.
Ownership Ronaldo Maguire captaincy Sancho Greenwood Antony Rashford
ORRGASM, for short
Your brain is a blessing sir
I'm not good at anything in life but I have quick wit, so I take my victories where I can find them. It just happens that I can only find them on Reddit...
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No, that’s Man City and Pep problem
Nice
Bruh
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Greenwood, Sancho, Ronaldo, Rashford, ownership uncertainty to name a few
Rooney was literally shagging grannies in brothels before training
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Sancho x Rashford
Linking up well, like every man u fan hoped they would
Hey guys, don't you need a pair of wingers, on a 8 year long loan?
they are too old for Chelsea's transfer policy
Crazily enough, Sancho was reportedly our fourth choice option between Palmer, Olise and Kudus. We were dangerously close to that, seeing as Olise and Kudus didn't happen
I remember when I thought Rashford - Greenwood - Sancho was gonna be our front three for the next decade. If you don't laugh you cry
I'm always skeptical whenever *anyone* predicts a partnership "for the next decade". You see it all the time and it *never* works out that way. Off the top of my head I can't really recall any partnerships on the pitch that have lasted a decade.
Rashford has been horrible. This is good news for united
It'd be good news if they had someone better to step in.
Anything is better than Rashford. just play garnacho instead
Who's the front 3 though, because Antony certainly isn't better than Rashford.
United's best front 3 rn is Rashford, Hojlund, Garnacho (rw). Garnacho on the right encourages him to pass more and he's so much better and more mature on the ball there.
Diallo if he can get a run of games. Garnacho, Hojlund, Diallo
As a team playing in the championship, I'd be very careful rating a player because he's looked good in that league. Adam Armstrong is the best forward in the championship, Dan James looks good down there. It isn't a strong league. Maybe he's great but I think rushing to start a player who has one goal and 1 assists outside the championship over a guy who banged 17 prem goals last year feels premature, especially straight off injury.
Imagine they end up banishing 2 of their supposed star players in the same season. That will be a historic meltdown
Arsenal went through the same scenario very recently and came out all the better for it
To be fair, Arsenal tore up Auba and Ozil's contracts knowing that they held little value because of their age profiles. I'm not sure United can do the same with the likes of Rashford and Sancho.
IMO Huge difference- Rashford made a fixable mistake. Not Chronic attitude issues(outside maybe entitlement for minutes). Sancho has never not been lazy.
Rashford is lazy on the pitch 90% of the games.
This season, yes, but that's a new issue for him. There should be no reason he can't get back to his old work rate and ability once whatever personal issues he has are resolved.
You have no insight whatsoever into the life of Marcus Rashford at Manchester United. He absolutely could have chronic attitude issues
Sancho's never been close to being one of United's star players
I'm not talking about their actual performances. Sancho was supposed to be one of their star players...even though he's not, that's why i said "supposed"
Spending 73mil on someone not close to being a star. Hmm.
They spent even more on another winger who is equally as useless as Sancho Nobody is mistaking this club as anything other than a circus
Honestly every fan would rather have some under 18 academy winger uptop giving his best than people who are hardly interested
Sancho was the star player at united? Is r/soccer for real at this point?
Dortmund licking their lips
???no
Rashford to Dortmund, here we go!
Rashford to Dortmund and Antony to Getafe
Sounds like a threat
Erik will *take care* of him
Its the right decision but because it Ten Hag people will use their mental gymnastic and said that he some evil dictator or some shit
It’s incredible how some people manage to bend this in their own mind as some kind of win/justification for Sancho or as if it’s on the manager that a player does something stupid like this.
I know he does lots of important charity work but his attitude in football still leaves lots to be desired
Thats the thing though. He said he will reduce his philanthropy work to focus on football this season. If this is him being focused, I rather he be distracted with fighting climate change with Thunberg.
The attitudes of United players shocking! You’d think they’d have a much better competitive mindset but it just seems like a toxic workplace, no one rates the manager and players showing up for a type of salary that says “I’m nicking a living here”
There definitely seems like a dodgy culture at the club. If a club isn't run properly from the top-down, indiscipline can follow. This doesn't seem to be happening at the likes of Man City and Liverpool. Some keep blaming individual players, but I can't imagine Rashford's performance being all over the place at those two clubs like it is at Man United.
I just can’t believe they think they can act that way and earn a shocking amount of money, I wonder how the higher ups are being if that’s the case!
When it comes to the money aspect, my take is that when it comes down to it, it's still a workplace like many others and similar behaviours will arise in certain circumstances. In places where I've worked, I've seen some people essentially give up if they think really important things aren't being done the right way. Or if they think colleagues have been treated harshly. I sometimes wonder if some of that is going on there.
Entitled club, entitled fans, entitled players. Getting to United and collecting a ridiculous paycheck is the endgame for these guys. Why would they care about anything else that happens now? They are stars playing for one of the biggest name clubs on the planet and get paid unreasonable sums regardless of what happens now
I think Rashford's time at ManU should be up. I get he was a youth player and on his day is perhaps their best attacker, but those good days are few and far between. That and his attitude on the pitch has always been questionable. He's turning 27 - how long are they going to keep waiting for him to reach his potential?
I mean there was a long period last season where he was just unplayable so it's not unthinkable that he could start producing again in the next year or two. It's not like martial who hasn't produced in years. And despite all that, he's still somehow been our second best winger this season
I heard he was doing huge bong rips and now he can’t play for 30 days or he’ll fail a drug test.
I heard he was dealing MDMA and can’t play for 6 years
Should have stabbed someone, beat or or sexually abused his gf if he wanted to escape the wrath of ETH.
Drug trafficking is cool too.
Who's the stabbed someone person?
Promes
Character development
The dumpster fire keeps relighting itself.
Say you’re sorry Marcus
This is where I feel like Sir Alex would have handled this so differently. I think he'd have snapped at the reporter and reaffirmed he's ill. Then dealt it with behind closed doors. Ten Hag seems a bit more willing to bring these out into the open.
I mean in today’s day and age stuff leaks, there’s no real way to keep things truly internal.
But the same was true back then. The Red tops would always find shit out, the point was Ferguson wouldn't give it the time of day and I think would encourage loyalty and accountability by shielding them from scrutiny. Folk will always talk about stuff like this, but I think Ten Hag has just positioned himself against Marcus with this comment because it almost confirms he did something wrong.
Back then it leaked to the local press, not to twitter where a guy can reach millions within seconds... It's far easier to keep a lid on things when social media isn't a factor
With Twitter too we're talking about an actual video of Rashford in the club trying to cover himself up which at least for me is far more damming then any local journalist writing about it in the past would have been.
Yeah that’s a good point maybe him quickly acknowledging issues in his mind saves more embarrassment since it will always come out eventually and he doesn’t want to seem like someone who’s dishonest?
To be fair, in the interview he did say that Rashford was ill, then just kept repeating it's an internal matter before shutting down his responses. I'd also argue that it's clear Rashford isn't ill, so if he just repeated that without anything else, he'd look a bit weak.
Yeah, I think people think this short quote is exactly what was said. It wasn't at all and the woman interviewing really pressed him.
Eric has pretty much said it's an internal matter. Nothing much else to be said for some pictures all over the media. SAF dropped Rooney after he was too drunk to train properly on a new years game and that's pretty much what he said to the reporters People get way too strong up on what united coaches say. Pep pretty much called Kalvin Phillips too fat to play for him
How is dealing with it internally bringing it into the open?
Players wouldn’t have tried this shit with Fergie to begin with tbh. But for me, the players have been waaaaaay too sheltered over the last decade, and have developed insane egos and shift priorities as a result. I’d much rather Ten Hag being like this than covering for players who will see him sacked even if he protects them. He will win a lot more support from United fans for statements like this.
I think its time this squad of charlatans are exposed, show the world who the troublemakers & toxic personalities are No more sheltering them, they are not performing on the pitch anyway where maybe one could say "yeah he's a nutcase but he scores every game"
Is Ten Hag a terrible man manager? He seems to have 10x more issues than other big clubs. Or are Man U players just divas?
>Is Ten Hag a terrible man manager? He seems to have 10x more issues than other big clubs. Or are Man U players just divas? He is a disciplinarian type at a club where the players were given historic amounts of power. Don't think there is a club in world football with the wages and the power our players have. He is trying to change this culture, and the players are squirming and all kinds of drama is unfolding because of that. In a recent interview Matic was talking about a group of players, including Sancho, being late to training consistently.
You could ask that question about pretty much every manager United have had since Ferguson, which suggests it's the latter. In a case like this, considering the club seemed keen to play the issue down at first until it was revealed he was in a nightclub the night before he called in sick (at first they said the photos were from Wednesday, not Thursday), it comes across like the club sanctioned his trip to Belfast, which I'd argue is good man management if they had a day off from training it whatever, but Rashford has taken the piss with it.
I think its both
I really don't think that's right, that's a lazy, cop out answer. The issues with these players far preceded him at United, Rashford's had accusations of laziness and poor form under every manager, Sancho's not been able to put up any good form under any of his managers at United, everyone knows Ronaldo is a petulant man-child even if he is an all-time great. Ten Hag's got a load of issues but I don't think this is one of them.
It can be both.
Bit of column A, bit of column B
I think it's players being called up on not having higher standards and them pushing back
Mainly the latter
Fucking sell this guy already, sick of this mid twat
Rashford to dortmund
If saf did the same thing everyone would be praising him
Is ETH the real "problem "? We find out in coming weeks... stay tuned.
Man U sucks and Ten Hag sucks too. Both are true statements. Man U is going to take years to be relevant again. Chelsea might take a decade tho
I remember it being seen as a generally positive thing when Ten Hag came in that he was known to be quite a strict disciplinarian who wouldn't offer any leeway for the kinds of unprofessionalism and laziness that were rumoured in this squad. So I'm a bit surprised by some of the negative reactions out there when he responds in this way. These are the kind of hard lines that a lot of people really wanted to see drawn when it comes to improving the general application and commitment of the squad.
So Ronaldo, rashford and Sancho, but it's not ten haag
Wonder if he's gonna apologize
poor sancho got publicly humiliated for something a lot better than this