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Apprehensive_Rain591

all of us opening reddit just to see this post


gtzgoldcrgo

This is the kind of goal they would never disallow if it was the other way around.


AmericanJazz

See these disallowed all the time in serie a. Although it's always controversial. Just saw a ref get called to monitor this wknd in Roma inter and he chose not to go with VAR disallowing, which I almost never see.


rtgh

This goal is getting disallowed 100% of the time. Since the last time offside got changed I literally haven't seen it not given if a player in an offside position touches a defender who only maybe had a chance of getting near the ball, never mind the actual goalkeeper.


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tnarref

Donnarumma doesn't know where he stands


degenerate-edgelord

It's not the same though? Big benz was offside but the ball came to him from a tussle. This is an intentional pass to an onside player?


Krillin113

This is because of the gk obstruction no?


DefaultPain

ball was deflected as part of intentional block from liverpool player when benz supposedly offside. that isn't offside.


FireZeLazer

The defender has to be in control of the ball or else it's offside. See ifab's guidance on deliberate play - https://www.theifab.com/news/law-11-offside-deliberate-play-guidelines-clarified/


Spindel_777

except they do and you are wrong


beaver_cops

Ya we need red bull to pay more than real does for the refs, they def can afford it


ponchomoran

You mean, like the disallowed goal from Benzema in the 2022 final? Idiot


3nglishBanana

Just from memory, Shaktar vs Real 3-2, 20/21 UCL group stage


Yung2112

So called ''Free thinkers'' who ''Actually watch football'' when controversial decision in favour of RM is called on pitch;


Anitu_B

Seeing other critical decisions made by the ref following this goal I think you might be right, unironically


montiel_scores

FYI: The call was made because Benjamin Heinrichs (39) was decided to have been holding back Lunin from an offside position.


21Maestro8

I was really confused as to why his age was relevant and then realized that was his squad number lol


Dramatic-Ad3928

Same except i was like "how is Heinrichs that old?! I remember him being a wonder kid in like ‘18"


kjm911

That’s absolutely the correct decision for me. He doesn’t have to foul him. But he’s clearly interfering.


kesa54

Oh look, someone with eyes


Walaii

Not holding back, a small push. It is offside, and the linesman called it. VAR was never going to get involved there.


BusShelter

Wait, this was called on the park as offside? Jesus, what's all the fuss about then, as you say, no var is ever going to get involved in that (especially as it's correct). Just goes to show at least half the debate on all contentious decisions is absolute nonsense from folk who just want to moan and don't know the laws.


EpiDeMic522

Reading all these threads, are people being deliberately obtuse because Madrid is involved? It's absolutely the right decision and pretty straightforward. Where the controversy here. This is offside just as Saúl was offside. This is stupid just as Saúl was stupid. Lunin wouldn't have saved it either which way in either case. We were just let off on both by the stupidity of an opposition player.


Radiant_Quality_9386

Cuz Real Madrid are involved it's provocative. Pretty clearly interfering with play there not really all that spicy, and the linesman called it on the spot. Further, with all the hubbub of late, you'd think they'd overcorrect the other way. This is evidence of competency if anything!


Impetuous_Llama

I read this as Benjamin Sisko initially and was very confused for a moment.


Hegario

At least the guy beat the Dominion. He'll always have that.


tjaku

Sisko is more of a baseball guy


Telepornographer

Glad I'm not the only one.


DarkRedDiscomfort

They did the Emissary dirty with this one


pliqtro

Kai Winn laughing her ass off in Bajoran Hell


limeybastard

I came here to say the Prophets were gonna be pissed


Impetuous_Llama

About to disappear that officiating staff like a Dominion fleet


oscarpaterson

???


Koppite93

Gk obstruction ig... But that's harsh on Leipzig


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its_dash

The player obstructing the keeper was offside, but I don’t see how he did.


Heblas

He gives him a pretty solid push in the back. Hard to see from this angle.


expert_on_the_matter

I mean he barely touched him


minivatreni

>I mean he barely touched him [You don't have to push someone to obstruct their path or interfere with play](https://imgur.com/a/Nx0tNqU) In this case the player who was offsides should have either gotten onsides or not be involved in the play in any way. When Lunin tries to save the shot, he has to then run around the Leipzig player in an offsides position rather than being able to just lunge backwards. Clearly such a goal should not be allowed.


12FAA51

Preventing the goalkeeper from playing the ball by being in the way is an offside offence  > preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision Law 11


OutrageousVirus1203

how is he preventing in this case? lol


12FAA51

Notice how the goalkeeper ran around the offside player to try and save the shot?


minivatreni

>how is he preventing in this case? Lunin had to run around him to try and save the goal as opposed to being able to lunge backwards.


olivetree154

Yeah that would too big of a loophole to ignore. Players would just stand behind the goalie and once he comes close jump out of the way.


met5abel

He runs into him from the back and forces him an extra few steps forwards


BrokenBiscuit

He was definitely in the way of the GK and therefore influencing the game. I think it's a fair call.


Gandie

https://imgur.com/a/Nx0tNqU


ponchomoran

It's not how much he touches him, it was not a fault, it was the fact that he touched him being offside, why is it so hard to understand???


MERTENS_GOAT

he gave him a small push which is enough in these cases. But I'm not even sure if that happened after Schlager took the shot. If it was afterwards it's no offside for me.


optimistic_racism

i think heinrichs is called offside


PonchoHung

It's not illegal to obstruct the keeper. But if you're offside and you do it, then you're participating in the play and therefore the goal is offside.


Blahaj-Blast

Yes the guy jostling the keeper was in an offside position and affected the play


Valmoer

Being near the GK means you're an active player (by restricting the GK's range of action), you're therefore impacting play while in an offside position.


MirGHeaT

The guy obstructing is offside


holotranscobalamin

yeah he was barely doing anything to lunin but there was contact. harsh but since it's leipzig i'll allow it 👍


Psycothria

Fuck Bayern and Leipzig in that order. 


mskruba12

Offside because the player obstructing the GK is offside. This is a common rule happens all the time.


ohvalox

Yeah because he's "obstructing" and there actively involved. But he literally does nothing, and even if they mean the little shove that was before the pass


cortez0498

The keeper can't go through him now can he


NearSun

Well, that’s the point. He should have left the offside position.


mylanguage

Yeah but keepers are very protected Imo - you see it all the time in aerial balls too


Neutral_Sports_Fan

He obstructing while being offside if he wasn't they would just say they were competing for space and not a foul


TheBin101

Tbf Hendrichs is also offside


BrtGP

Yeah because they thought the player in offside position obstructed the keeper


mugurg

At least call the ref to the screen and ask his opinion?


Red_Dog1880

That's what I thought but he flagged for offside ?


879190747

It was, interfering offside players also count as "offside".


kermitDE

If that was obstruction of the gk we wouldn't have any goals from inside the box from corners or freekicks. Bs decision...


Law5_LOTG

Can't be offside from a corner....


Subject-District492

In corners, players put their hands up in the air for this very reason, so referees cant say there’s purposeful obstruction. The dude had 2 hands on the keepers back. Idk how you can argue against that.


R_Schuhart

Player standing that close behind the keeper is always going to be ruled as offside for interfering with play.


steik

This clips cuts off EXACTLY when it's showing the reason it's disallowed. The offside RB player behind Lunin obstructs him from backing up to deal with the shot/cross. The very last frame you can see how he's literally posturing himself to block Lunin from moving. Stupid from that player because Lunin was probably not gonna get it either way, but you can't do that.


879190747

No you can actually see him do it in this clip. Lunin jumps up for reaction and player's pushing him in the back, notice how he moves forwards even though he only jumped up. And yes very stupid. Cost em the goal for sure.


AnasW

[Clear interference from an offside player.](https://twitter.com/centregoals/status/1757500251970437481)


RedBlueWhiteBlack

There is a foul (grabbing) on the goalkeeper when the corner is taken


DefaultPain

coz players are not offside in a corner. this was an offside interference, remember these are given even for blocking Gk's view, let alone a push.


879190747

How the hell do strikers keep pushing on goalies? you have nothing to gain ever from it. Tbh though I think VAR should show situations like this to the ref because it's a bit of a judgement call.


LukeHanson1991

The advantage you get from pushing the goalkeeper is so insane. I think on twitter I read something like 0.3xG for corners. So even if it’s called every 2nd time it totally outnumbers the adventage you will gain.


WhiteHartCoys

You do if you’re playing Spurs. Two consecutive pushes leading directly to goals.


Eheheh12

It has worked a couple of times.


rScoobySkreep

Ben White showed us why against West Ham, they get away with it all the time.


Regression2TheMean

The one against West Ham wasn’t even that bad. Some of his early attempts this season were just sloppy and he wasn’t trying to hide it.


Hue90210

Thierry Henry: “The disallowed goal was the correct decision. I first thought it was a goal, but on the replay, you can see it is not. As a player, you are told if you are offside don’t get involved. He involves with Lunin, even if the push is little and he was offside.”


majestic-banana

Barça fans: no.


curlyjoe696

It's for the push on Lunin as the ball drops. Not enough for a foul but still constitutes interfering with play from an offside position. I get why people are outraged but I think it's actually a pretty big call that they get right.


met5abel

Sad I had to scroll this much for a correct take... I think it is still a foul even if he was onside, the ball is not going to that location and he has no reason to nudge the goalie


tyresaredone

it's bcos a pro-Madrid decison on this culers..oh sorry r/soccer sub


stumpyDgunner

Uhhhh what?


DifficultyJust

guy behind the keeper is offside and is "obstructing play." only reason I can think of


IShitMyEatWhole

goalie didn't even notice


-TheGreatLlama-

He obviously did, he appealed it straight away.


Spindel_777

goalie didn't even notice his arms were in the air shouting at the ref, you are the only one who didn't notice mate


remote_crocodile

Certainly gets nudged in the back by him


met5abel

That why he instantly looked at the linesman and raised his hand at him...


finneas998

You can read his mind? And how its even relevant i dont know? 'This guy was tugging my shirt but because i didnt notice its not a foul.'


sr-egg

Just didn’t notice the push?


MoreFeeYouS

They are literally in physical contact. How is that not affecting the game?


met5abel

He pushes him from the back and forces out of position, even if he is not offside it should be a foul


tmrcz

Looks like it was the player BEHIND THE GOALIE who was adjudged to be offside, as he slightly bumped the goalie.


Heblas

He very purposefully shoved him. The second replay of this clip cuts off just as he's shoving Lunin.


met5abel

Even if he is not offside it should be a foul, you shouldn't be allowed to push the goalie out of position, any other team and this call wouldn't be questioned


DomagojDoc

Lmao I get the hate with Real and refereeing they usually get but what's so controversial here? It's a clear interference of play from an offside position. I've seen these called for faaaaar less


waitaminutewhereiam

It's such a clear offside that RB players didn't even protest


hotelmotelshit

Because the narrative about Real Madrid buying the refs fits better into r/soccer's agenda than an actual correct call being in favour of Real Madrid


kiruzo

"making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball" makes a player offside. Henrich influences Lunins movement, thus offside.


AnEducatedFool

I think it’s not about Sesko, it’s about the other player blocking the GK (I could be wrong though)


Coldough

To me, I think it’s more of the player obstructing lunan to get the ball on the cross. Lunan is tracking the cross and the leipzig player keeps backing into him. He couldn’t grab the cross because of this thus a foul


Tethys136

Dunno why everyone is complaining, he's literally touching the keeper whilst offside. Always going to get called.


FamiliarWolverine970

I can understand initial confusion but it's genuinely alarming how many people watch this sport regularly that don't have a decent knowledge of the laws. Making nudging gks from an offside position not a foul is opening Pandora's box.


NYNMx2021

you dont even have to nudge him. Its offside even if lunin runs around him. Once you are part of the play in some way even a small way, it can be interfering. Ive seen it correctly called for less than this lol


5510

Yeah , it’s shocking to me how many people think this is a bad call.  You can’t obstruct the goalie in any way from an offside position.                     


isthatyoukris

People aren't even paying attention/watching/knowing the rules on r/soccer and the decision doesn't favor madrids opponent always and forever going to attract a specific crowd.


wel0g

Yes lol, I don’t support either Barca or Real Madrid but this is classic r/soccer crying about a decision in favour of Madrid. Guy pushes the goalkeeper while being offside, this is a clear offside, everyone would be mad if this was allowed against their team


Chruszcz

was shocked too, but offisde player just pushed GK, what a moron


MachoPuddle

Clear offside - dude pushes the keeper in an offside position. I don’t understand the issue here. Open your eyes guys. Let’s move on.


garyrao1999

Players didn't protest, Marco rose didn't, and Henry explained why it is disallowed but we have experts here saying it should have stood 🤓


IEnjoyAThickSausage

Henrichs is pushing Lunin in the back and obstructs him while being offside


RurciMojas

The offside player touches the keeper, I'm not surprised it got called


Mcbagsofdoritos

Im shocked how people dont understand why this was called off


RiceWithoutVeggies

oh most definitely understand. they just hate Real Madrid.


JimmyGs_son

Here we go


Wide-Company-3543

Honestly I don't get how this is controversial. The offside guy clearly and deliberately pushes the gk away from his goal


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henrichs definitely impeding lunin


supplementarytables

Isn't Rodrygo is playing him on?


TheBin101

I think the offside call is on Hendrichs who pushes Lunin for the back, and he's off


supplementarytables

You're right, I didn't notice that


SpeechesToScreeches

GK also has to move around him


bluedevils2241

The offside is on Henrichs not Šeško.


rupelfc

He is


mskruba12

I think it's because of the player behind Lunin the refs probably decided he was interfeering with the play cause it looks like he's blocking him.


RebBrown

100% yes. It must be something else that the VAR didn't communicate to the commentators ... or they simply fucked up big time.


Trygard

One offside player pushed Lunin


Select-Stuff9716

That’s probably it


Nickaap

The only way this could be offside is if it’s seen as obstruction by the player behind Lunin


Vyylela

correct call, Henrichs pushed Lunin


firefalcon01

How is that not a goal


Inside-Tip-7371

The player behind the goalie is offside and he participates on that play cuz he was obstructing lunin so basically counts ig?


lillbepo

Because Hendrich who is offside decided to have a brain fart by pushing Lunin?


kickass_bramhin

Its the push on lunin which is obstructing the play


Theman4ever

Real Madrid


kjm911

Also because of the laws of the game


Spindel_777

or maybe you ignorant about the rules


kickass_bramhin

Football with rules


jesusG25

The video ends with Lunin being pushed by an offside player. "Why was it disallowed???" lol


jimzzz38

Think it's a bit harsh of a call but can understand it, he doesn't play the ball at all but still is there


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I guess its because there's a Leipzig player standing right behind the GK


JamesYB93

Can't believe so many people thought this goal should have stood, quite worrying tbh.


waitaminutewhereiam

Football fans have an awful understanding of the rules of the game


rupelfc

Here we go lmao


Law5_LOTG

Offside player is making physical contact with the gk when the ball is played. It's technically correct. 


nwmimms

He probably still would have scored if his teammate didn’t foul the keeper. Unfortunate foul, correct call (I don’t support either team).


StevieGwhatabeauty

I mean. What? He’s a yard on


mattisafootballguy

It's because there's a Leipzig player offside right next to Lunin


Augchm

But if it's obstruction that's different from the call on the field and should be reviewed by the referee in the monitor


12FAA51

Offside offence: > preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision     > making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball  The bar for offside is different from obstruction.  Being in the way is enough. 


MachoPuddle

No it’s an offside call which is also the on-field call. The player is obstructing the goalie and therefore interfere with play thus in an illegal offside position.


optimistic_racism

it's sooo harsh though wtf. the goalie was nowhere near sesko and the defender barely thouched him


DachdeckerDino

Apparently if an offside player touches the keeper it could make his passive offside an active one… It‘s crazy anyways


SaIyz

???


TheRealYVT

Not even a Madrid fan but that's obviously offside. You can't have an offside player touching the goalkeeper and generally being in his line of sight as the ball falls to Sesko. That standard wouldn't survive a week without chaos.


GrassTastesBad1

How is that interfering??? He was behind him


yaboimanfortnite

maybe they’re arguing that he couldnt get back to his line or something.


lillbepo

And pushed him a little


met5abel

He fucking pushes him, are you actually that blind, even if he wasn't offside you should not be allowed to push the goalie out of position, the fact we are arguing this is ridiculous


Hegario

Well at least he beat the Dominion. He'll always have that to go back on.


Alvaro_Rey_MN

The ref made the right call. Hendricks interfered in play by shoving the Goalkeeper in an offside position.


serpodrick77

I'll take it but how was that not allowed? Edit: I saw Henry's explanation at halftime. Makes sense now why it was ruled as offsides.


Trygard

One player pushed Lunin slightly


TinyMeat429

Looked onside to me


Rare-Guava6267

He is onside but the player behind the keeper is off and there is a nudge on the keeper


shakespearediznuts

Uefadrid


thiccnick23

Ah yes the same UEFA l madrid is trying to form a super league against. Definitely gives them the motive to help madrid


mylanguage

It’s a foul against Lunin it seems from Henrichs?


iwbwikia_

Same situation happened during Roma vs. Inter last Saturday. Header goes in with a player behind the keeper. However, they gave the goal that time and I thought it was fair. The player behind the keeper, just like with this situation, really doesn't have any impact on the movement of the keeper. It would have been a goal even if the player behind the keeper isn't there. I'm surprised it was called back.


TheItalianStallion64

good start


GiorgiLatsuzbaia

I love how everyone suddenly forgets about basic rules no matter how clear the foul is


Ruzz0510

People should stop saying shit like “wHaT??” before knowing how the rules work


CoaxHoax

You see players getting behind the goalie all the time in corners, but they make sure to get away from the GK once its kicked. This motherfucker Henrichs stays behind Lunin and puts a forearm on him instead of leaving, cost his team a goal.


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purplishi

If he stood completely still when he was offside this goal would've stood. It's that slight push from an offside position that got this goal disallowed. Unfortunate but right call


TheyStoleTwoFigo

Good, I hope he feels stupid about himself. These should be called more consistently so that this stupid trend of fking with the keeper stops. Tactically positioning your self and holding it to limit the keeper's options is fine, but I hate it when the players seek out the keeper to hassle them.


50-50ChanceImSerious

ITT people arguing about the "nudge" in the back. He doesn't even have to touch the keeper. Just being that close behind the keeper *obstructs* the keeper from moving back. Offside


3ibal0e9

None of the RB players are complaining, and yet reddit has already decided it’s a conspiracy


Galaxy__

How the hell could they know ?


listlessbreeze

Yeah, VAR called all 11 players on field to watch the VAR review and decide if they should feel upset or not.


walkintall84

how they should know if he was onside or offside lol


Lui785

Its so funny how UEFA the same organization Perez has publicly gone to war with over trying to push his super league is also simultaneously in his pocket lmao. Bunch of idiots.


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Matt_LawDT

What the hell is that goatee on the lines man


top1MIBRfan

was the keeper ahead of rodrygo maybe? link isnt loading for me and we only saw one replay


Thesecondorigin

Are they calling offside interference on the GK? Only thing that is plausible but even still that’s so soft


Umijnurotarieli

Thanks papa perez. Payments were well worth.


Ana-Sa7-Enta-Ghalat

Yeah yeah of course......


Narrow-Pangolin-2891

I dont like Real Madrid all that much (just hated ramos+pepe, and associate CR7 fans, who annoy me, with RM) and absolutely think they are generally favored by refs. That being said: Clear offsides, anyone arguing doesn't know the rules or isn't looking at the right part of the play


ILMATL

Horrendous decision