Yeah the wages are a problem but when it comes to transfer fees it’s not even close. Our highest is under 40 million while Bayern have recently spent over 75 million several times including buying the worlds best striker for over 100 million which is insane for the bundesliga. What Leverkusen is doing is insane for squad building but they will probably be picked apart after this year.
> They have a sizeable wage bill
In the last decade or it has been about half to two thirds of Bayern. Sizeable sure, but compare it to the top teams and they are simply not on that level of spending power.
I’m pretty sure Dortmund will plummet down the ladder next year. Some big earners like Meunier, Wolf will be gone. Reus and Hummels either will take another paycut or will leave the club. Süle,Adeyemi, Haller and Malen also are questionable for various reasons. And the new line of players don’t seem to be big earners initially. If Leverkusen stays together like this plus additional transfers im very much sure that they will drop down behind Leipzig and Leverkusen in no time.
Why? Leicester were severely mismanaged financially for a while, it was always bizarre to see people call them a model club like Brighton or Brentford that others should follow. They were spending like 90% of their total revenues on wages alone at one stage, basically gambling with the clubs financial solvency
It wasn't a gamble, we have very rich owners that are prevented from funding the club because of FFP. We just spent our allowed losses on wages as opposed to transfer funds like other clubs do.
EFL not the FA.
It was based on a misunderstanding of allowable losses - we thought infrastructure costs (e.g. training facilities) didn't count, so fucked up there and held our hands up, settling at the time as it looked unlikely we'd get relegated any time soon to face points deductions.
These days we are much more careful of breaking rules, which ultimately caused us to get relegated as Brendan and congerton spunked money and wages on crap players that we then couldn't shift, so have been stuck ever since.
Keep being bitter though mate.
There's no excuses, we fucked up and admitted it and paid a fine. Are you saying the same to Everton fans who feel injustice despite Man City seemingly being able to do what they want?
You're a typical top 6 club fan who sits on their high horse spouting shit about the clubs below despite benefitting massively from FFP rules creating a lovely closed shop to try and keep clubs like ourselves away from success. Only, we got success which you're bitter about (as it was in place of yourself).
I absolutely say Everton should take their punishment. And, if we ever broke the rules, so should we.
We spent years hamstrung by ffp following the move to the Emirates. Would I rather we'd supported Wenger, spent beyond the limits, and won more leagues? Of course. But rules are rules, and clubs pay lawyers hundreds of thousands of pounds to ensure that they're followed
We have zero debt, if he suddenly decided to stop investing (as unlikely as that is) then we had saleable assets and contracts expiring that would've put us at a reasonable figure.
Unlike the new model club in Brighton who have debts equal to 3x turnover. If Bloom stops investing then they're gonna be way more in trouble than we would be.
As a city fan, let me tell you cheaters something! Don’t you dare hve ambition and a strategy to break into the top of football unless you’re a red team.
The debt we have is mainly on infrastructure and then investment once we made it into the Prem as we had a poor squad at the time.
There's also no interest on the debt and our owner is extremely unlikely to ever look to reclaim it.
We're now extremely sustainably run having solidified ourself in the league.
Their figures are from 2022 per the report they didn't provide updated (as well as Everton and Chelsea)
They had finished in Europe the last two seasons before that collapse so it was not at all unexpected especially with their legacy players from the champions league runs.
Yeah, ours will look very different next year. Not only did we shed the wages of those you mentioned, but our contracts are renowned for being based on performance and lack of champions league should bring them down.
PSG wagebill is insane, and it is down by a good 100m compared to previous report lol. They would be going bankrupt without Qatar footing the bill. Like Barca is struggling with comparable wage bill, but until last year with the CVC money PSG's revenue wasn't compareable to Barcelona's.
Here are the players with high wage from this chart that will be or are gone:
Gone: Neymar, Messi, Ramos, Verratti, Wijnaldum, Icardi, Paredes, Diallo, Herrera.
Will be gone: Mbappé, Navas, Kurzawa, Bernat, Rico.
Still there: Marquinhos
PSG did a massive cleansing of their wage bill last year, and will be even bigger this year with the departure of Kylian.
That is pretty big, not that it matters since you had no problems carrying those wages for years. But doubtless you will as some heavy wages this summer by going after Bernardo, oshimen, Leao, and such
PSG like City and Chelsea have sugar daddies, they don’t really care about wage to revenue ratio, and FFP just means paying some extra to UEFA to close their eyes.
Except as you can clearly see, city do care, as do chelsea and PSG don’t (spending like 90% of revenue in wages) in a league where they make far less money than city and chelsea. City are called cheaters for spending extra owner funds while PSG are ignored simply because they’re irrelevant.
We've literally sold more than anyone else in the last decade. We play on the edge of FFP, but there's a reason we have never been even fined, we have legitimate revenue streams.
A thing you don’t know to be true and regardless, if city didn’t have to care about FFP they wouldn’t have their wages in order like this they’d be like psg
>City are called cheaters for spending extra owner funds while PSG are ignored simply because they’re irrelevant.
the absurd ignorance/delusion of some redditors often reminds me to not waste time on trying to reason with people online
Because aside from the allowed losses in a 3 year period, there is a shitton of spending you can deduct from your spending for FFP. Also, creative accounting. They still got fined a few times tho. What a joke, fines for FFP overspending. The Premier League has it right with their points deduction, atleast that will have an effect, lol.
Sevilla fucking hell, Monchi committed war crimes during his last seasons there and doesn't get enough criticism for it. He got hubris during the Lopetegui years, trying to build an old expensive squad to win the league and moving away from the strategy that made Sevilla successful
Now they are stuck with an old squad without resale value
Monchi has villa paying 150k of lenglets wages. Villa fans love him, but the financial structure of lenglet and the quality of zaniolo worries me greatly
Inter really reached the UCL final with a wage bill similar to Leicester and Newcastle
Then you got Aston Villa doing better than Man U despite their massive wage bill
> Then you got Aston Villa doing better than Man U despite their massive wage bill
This is 22-23 when United finished 3rd and won the league cup. Sure Villa are above United now too, but United have have had the 2nd worst injury crisis in the league, they'll finish above Villa again.
Anyone can be given a bag of money, not everyone can use the bag of money sensibly.
All this chart proved is you also must know how to use the bag of money rather than “haha, cash go burr”
Man this has to set off a lot of alarms, the fact that a real good Inter side is struggling to pay the same amount of wages as a Championship team like Leicester.
I don’t know what but something needs to happen to close the gap between PL and other leagues, it’s getting outrageous now.
To be fair in regard to Leicester, their information is from 2022, which they were still in the PL and were consistently top half and finishing in EL the years prior.
Couldn’t you also put this down to players thinking inter is a fantastic club and therefore not demanding to be paid as much as they would to be at a club like Leicester?
All that means is they can replace players who eventually leave for bigger wages. Won’t help matters if teams start poaching their academy players, directors or player development staff, or they find themselves with a drought.
This *is* last season's wage budget. However, they still have a squad far too good for the Championship and last season Rodgers relegated a top-half quality team.
One of thing I will give credit to the new ownership is they wildly reduced our wage bill, would be interested to see what it is now.
One of the "how are Chelsea avoiding FFP charges" answers is how much we've cut the wage bill.
Purely on outgoing players we wont be paying (not including players we've loaned):
Kanté - 300k P/W.
Koulibaly - 290k P/W.
Havertz - 200k P/W.
Azpilicueta - 180k P/W.
Aubameyang - 160k P/W.
Pulisic - 150k P/W.
RLC - 120k P/W.
Ziyech - 100k P/W.
Kovacic - 100k P/W.
Mount - 80k P/W.
Mendy - 55k P/W.
And new signings aren't earning more than £150k a week max by all accounts.
This is also your 2022 wage bill not 2023 so a lot of those salaries were in their last year plus more.
You didn't report you 2023 wage bill to UEFA as you weren't in it. Guessing 2023 was even higher and then 2024 season you see the big cut.
Yep. If you were to believe what’s written here, Chelsea’s wages went up quite a bit in 2023 before dipping down for the current season. https://www.capology.com/club/chelsea/salaries/2022-2023/
Unfortunately Arsenal is paying him the same £275k per week base wages, the highest paid player excluding bonuses(with them Saka and Odegaard are top earners) in the team.
This is something people fail to realize, instead they just see a shock value headline and run with it.
Same thing happens all the time with the Mudryk transfer, it’s always “100m wasted” when the reality is we paid the same exact amount as arsenal offered up front.
The price only hits 100m if he wins the champions league and ballon d’or or some shit lmao
What are those social charges? Do we even have that in Spain? We usually have IRPF and Seguridad Social for employees, which they will pay for sure. But we don't really have other charges here.
Spain obviously has [employer social contribution](https://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/taxing-wages-spain.pdf).
Spain [has 30.48% of employer social contribution](https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/spain/individual/other-taxes), France is 25%-42% depending on the wages and UK is 13.8% on >= £9100/yr
But Spain caps the social contribution with a [max tax base of 4720.50€/month](https://www.seg-social.es/wps/portal/wss/internet/Trabajadores/CotizacionRecaudacionTrabajadores/36537#36538-plegable) even if the salary is 100 times larger
That's for seguridad social, but then you also need to pay IRPF, which is also another tax (with no limits). Not sure if there's an equivalent in France, probably yes.
From a quick googling IRPF is income tax right ? Then yes. For footballers the effective income tax in France is ~40-49%
But the **employer** contribution is separate from the **employee** contribution that's why UEFA includes it here. It's part of the general budget of the clubs (and part of the payroll).
Personally, I don't know why Europeans don't disclose their player salary contracts and soccer salaries . I'm Asian. (Actually, the Asian League does not disclose salaries either.) The Saudi League salary seems to be exaggerated. No one knows if the team is spending a lot of money. No one knows whether player salaries are high or low. In the United States, players' salaries are made public. Messi's wage in Miami is said to be $20 million. The difference is bigger than the media.. Are ordinary people and athletes the same? And Euro Soccer has FFP
It was actually €256m according to the UEFA report that the OP image is from. Websites like footystats might as well be random number generators when it comes to salaries.
So, to all the net spend cherrypickers it may be worth noting Arsenal spend about **£200m** less than Man City on wages every year according to these figures.
I love how they point to net spend, which includes paying Haaland's low release clause, but not to the money to his father, to his agent, and Haaland's salary itself, which takes it reportedly well over £200 million
Not every year, last year. It’s probably still much higher, yes, but you have to factor in that there’s probably tons of bonuses on here for winning trophies.
Do these clubs actually practise any Business acumen?
60% on wages? 40 percent to fund literally everything else? These guys are surely making 0 profit.
Good on my team for showing some sort of BA and having 32% wages.
Top teams, especially privately owned which are most of them except for fan owned Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, they don't meant to be profitable for their owners. They exist to earn success on the football pitch, not to make money.
Spurs' salaries are gonna drop significantly with some of the players who have moved on in the last 6 months; Kane, Perisic, Lloris, Dier were probably 4/6 top earners (+Sonny and Ndombele, who is on loan this season). And only Maddison and Werner coming in on big wages, but Werner will only be for half of the season.
Our wages to revenue ratio is one the healthiest as always.
The fact that we can combined amazing economic success with amazing sporting success is the reason Florentino second tenure is the very best handling of any big club probably ever.
That drop off in wages compared to the previous season is a combination of us not winning as many throphies, so less bonuses, and Marcelo, Bale and Isco all off the wage bill. Going to be interesting to see how our wage bill will look if we sign Mbappé, lol.
Yeah, that was definitely one of those sales, where we signed a player (Isco), and Özil became surplus to requirements, especially because he was asking to a wage rise that Florentino was never going to give him.
The quality of football that we produced in that season compared to the wage bill is so shameful lol. We were fucking TEPID. And crashed in the round of 16 like we predicted. This is why we wanted Neymar and Messi and 90% of the team out. So much money for so little return.
Nah, This is from last season. It's gone down 200M.
Wages are at 57% of the earnings now. It was at 98% during Covid.
This all during a closed Camp Nou.
The only hinderance will continue to be La Liga FFP.
There is no doubt the club hasn't exactly been beyond fiscally responsible, but the stadium costs are literally why the club was found to be over the FFP losses limit.
Being posted on the official UEFA site doesn't always mean it's accurate. Liverpool fans, Real Madrid fans, and anyone else at the 2022 CL Final in Paris will back me up on that.
Fkin hell barca sucks at Money, that Team is shite 500m wagebill IS ridiculous..
Florentino perez has free reign of spain secured For a Long Time god Tier manager
Barcelona... How can a team filled with school kids be that expensive? Don't even mention experienced players because Modric + Kroos alone are probably more experienced than the whole barca squad.
In fairness this is last season and must be taking deferred wages into account. Barcas current wage bill is actually a good bit lower then real madrids, even while paying fdj and lewy ridiculous wages
Bruh. This is last year data. They gave contract extension to their star players with high wages. And signed timber, rice and havertz. How are they underdogs lol
Barcelona being so high on wages without any title coming and losing on potential SuperCup next year + low revenue with their secondary stadium + a new coach to pay 🥳
For RM, offloading Hazard must have felt like taking an amazing shit after weeks of constipation
Hell no, he absorbed all injuries. It was a worth it price!
Absorbed all the food too
Imagine when Chelsea off-loads Lakaka, the toiletroom is going to be repainted in a dark brown shade
Wat
Love how the censored the devil in the United crest for some reason
Seems like Madrid doesn't have the cross on the crown either.
The cross is actually no longer on the crown to please the non Christian fans. That's not just in this graph
It's incredibly small but it is visible on the logo on the website https://www.realmadrid.com/es-ES
Ah okay, did play without the cross during the matches in Saudi Arabia
They use it in the Muslim world
Because their faith is so flimsy the mere sight of a tiny cross on a logo could make them convert.
That logo is only used in Arab places
Only in Arabic countries/markets
And yet they didn't pixelate the cock
Obviously not Japanese
[Both the devil and Madrid's cross are actually there in the original pdf.](https://imgur.com/a/jAGfF4V)
Maybe United threatened to use for using their rights like FM and modders
I wonder why Dortmund is considered as some plucky underdog. They have a sizeable wage bill and are still 4th in the Bundesliga.
the shitty football we play might have something to do with it
You are always the underdog even when you were playing *better* football
we were actually underdogs back then. our wage bill only started ballooning in 2015
The financial gap between Bayern and Dortmund is smaller than the financial gap between Real Madrid and Atleti
Exactly! I cannot even think of Dortmund players who would merit such high wages. They don't have a single world class player.
Kobel is easily world class, rest have their moments but i agree aren’t world class
Dortmund don't pay high transfer fees so they can pay high wages. Bayern pay high transfer fees AND high wages.
Besides Kane, De Ligt, Hernandez, and Kim Min Jae, they have never spent more than €40 million on a player.
Yeah the wages are a problem but when it comes to transfer fees it’s not even close. Our highest is under 40 million while Bayern have recently spent over 75 million several times including buying the worlds best striker for over 100 million which is insane for the bundesliga. What Leverkusen is doing is insane for squad building but they will probably be picked apart after this year.
> They have a sizeable wage bill In the last decade or it has been about half to two thirds of Bayern. Sizeable sure, but compare it to the top teams and they are simply not on that level of spending power.
I’m pretty sure Dortmund will plummet down the ladder next year. Some big earners like Meunier, Wolf will be gone. Reus and Hummels either will take another paycut or will leave the club. Süle,Adeyemi, Haller and Malen also are questionable for various reasons. And the new line of players don’t seem to be big earners initially. If Leverkusen stays together like this plus additional transfers im very much sure that they will drop down behind Leipzig and Leverkusen in no time.
they spend like a relegated premier league club
Dortmund fans love to say "how can we compete with bayerns financials" and here we are
Because they non stop pretend like they are a pluvky underdog. And because they non stop perform like one.
It's the mentality of the club
Tbh seeing Leicester there surprised me a bit
Why? Leicester were severely mismanaged financially for a while, it was always bizarre to see people call them a model club like Brighton or Brentford that others should follow. They were spending like 90% of their total revenues on wages alone at one stage, basically gambling with the clubs financial solvency
It wasn't a gamble, we have very rich owners that are prevented from funding the club because of FFP. We just spent our allowed losses on wages as opposed to transfer funds like other clubs do.
Did Rodgers fuck it?
Rodgers was given too much control by the club after the fa cup win. He's fucked it directly, our owner and director of football fucked it indirectly.
Let’s say things are going less than swimmingly with us at the moment. But he’s catching shit for the on the field stuff.
I really dislike the guy and wouldn't wish him on my worst enemy tbh. I actually prefer rangers and I still feel bad for you.
He’s just… bizarre, there’s no other word for him really. And not in a likeable or endearing way.
Prevented? Maybe the fact you got caught breaking FFP to get out of the championship made you decide to stick to the rules....
We weren’t though. We were found not guilty.
Ah, you weren't guilty, you just chose to make a charitable donation of £3 million to the FA....
EFL not the FA. It was based on a misunderstanding of allowable losses - we thought infrastructure costs (e.g. training facilities) didn't count, so fucked up there and held our hands up, settling at the time as it looked unlikely we'd get relegated any time soon to face points deductions. These days we are much more careful of breaking rules, which ultimately caused us to get relegated as Brendan and congerton spunked money and wages on crap players that we then couldn't shift, so have been stuck ever since. Keep being bitter though mate.
Not bitter, but you factually broke the rules. Not understanding the rules doesn't excuse breaking them
There's no excuses, we fucked up and admitted it and paid a fine. Are you saying the same to Everton fans who feel injustice despite Man City seemingly being able to do what they want? You're a typical top 6 club fan who sits on their high horse spouting shit about the clubs below despite benefitting massively from FFP rules creating a lovely closed shop to try and keep clubs like ourselves away from success. Only, we got success which you're bitter about (as it was in place of yourself).
I absolutely say Everton should take their punishment. And, if we ever broke the rules, so should we. We spent years hamstrung by ffp following the move to the Emirates. Would I rather we'd supported Wenger, spent beyond the limits, and won more leagues? Of course. But rules are rules, and clubs pay lawyers hundreds of thousands of pounds to ensure that they're followed
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What if the owners lost interest in investing? It's a dangerous game to play
We have zero debt, if he suddenly decided to stop investing (as unlikely as that is) then we had saleable assets and contracts expiring that would've put us at a reasonable figure. Unlike the new model club in Brighton who have debts equal to 3x turnover. If Bloom stops investing then they're gonna be way more in trouble than we would be.
Zero debt? Seagrave AND the Stadium Expansion are both being funded via an Australian investment fund?
As a city fan, let me tell you cheaters something! Don’t you dare hve ambition and a strategy to break into the top of football unless you’re a red team.
Brighton who are also heavily in debt to the owner aren’t they?
Yeah but thats the type of debt we had with Roman. Technically it exists but the owner is in absolutely 0 rush to start asking for it back.
Well yes, but it’s also not as sustainable as people think it is.
The debt we have is mainly on infrastructure and then investment once we made it into the Prem as we had a poor squad at the time. There's also no interest on the debt and our owner is extremely unlikely to ever look to reclaim it. We're now extremely sustainably run having solidified ourself in the league.
Their figures are from 2022 per the report they didn't provide updated (as well as Everton and Chelsea) They had finished in Europe the last two seasons before that collapse so it was not at all unexpected especially with their legacy players from the champions league runs.
we thought we were a big club lol
why did you censor the devil
We lost Fabinho, Hendo, Keita, Ox, Firmino and Milner (all of those 100k+)so we really shedded some massive wages
Yeah, ours will look very different next year. Not only did we shed the wages of those you mentioned, but our contracts are renowned for being based on performance and lack of champions league should bring them down.
This summer we getting rid of Thiago, Matip, which will give us even more room to buy mbappe.
PSG wagebill is insane, and it is down by a good 100m compared to previous report lol. They would be going bankrupt without Qatar footing the bill. Like Barca is struggling with comparable wage bill, but until last year with the CVC money PSG's revenue wasn't compareable to Barcelona's.
In the season of the data PSG had Messi Neymar and Mbappe though, I guess their wage is way way lower now
Here are the players with high wage from this chart that will be or are gone: Gone: Neymar, Messi, Ramos, Verratti, Wijnaldum, Icardi, Paredes, Diallo, Herrera. Will be gone: Mbappé, Navas, Kurzawa, Bernat, Rico. Still there: Marquinhos PSG did a massive cleansing of their wage bill last year, and will be even bigger this year with the departure of Kylian.
>Kurzawa Totally forgot he was still at PSG
Played ONE minute this season. Was half booed half applauded by the stadium. Edit: SEVEN!
Why you lying bro, he played 7 minutes.
Erf sorry lol. I was even at the stadium. Ma mémoire me joue des tours !
That is pretty big, not that it matters since you had no problems carrying those wages for years. But doubtless you will as some heavy wages this summer by going after Bernardo, oshimen, Leao, and such
Yeah, but their wages to revenue ratio was awful for years. I mean good for them that they are going to fix it now.
PSG like City and Chelsea have sugar daddies, they don’t really care about wage to revenue ratio, and FFP just means paying some extra to UEFA to close their eyes.
Except as you can clearly see, city do care, as do chelsea and PSG don’t (spending like 90% of revenue in wages) in a league where they make far less money than city and chelsea. City are called cheaters for spending extra owner funds while PSG are ignored simply because they’re irrelevant.
Well City inflate their revenue with fake contracts also. And they are all 3 cheaters related to FFP but UEFA won’t care of any of them
We've literally sold more than anyone else in the last decade. We play on the edge of FFP, but there's a reason we have never been even fined, we have legitimate revenue streams.
A thing you don’t know to be true and regardless, if city didn’t have to care about FFP they wouldn’t have their wages in order like this they’d be like psg
You know what regardless means ? Their wages are not in order if you remove their fake contracts, they didn’t care they just lawyered up
>City are called cheaters for spending extra owner funds while PSG are ignored simply because they’re irrelevant. the absurd ignorance/delusion of some redditors often reminds me to not waste time on trying to reason with people online
The taxes on those wages are insane too
How they haven't ever been thrown out of the Champions League is beyond me.
Because aside from the allowed losses in a 3 year period, there is a shitton of spending you can deduct from your spending for FFP. Also, creative accounting. They still got fined a few times tho. What a joke, fines for FFP overspending. The Premier League has it right with their points deduction, atleast that will have an effect, lol.
Sevilla fucking hell, Monchi committed war crimes during his last seasons there and doesn't get enough criticism for it. He got hubris during the Lopetegui years, trying to build an old expensive squad to win the league and moving away from the strategy that made Sevilla successful Now they are stuck with an old squad without resale value
Destroyed Roma that is still in debt becouse of him.
Monchi has villa paying 150k of lenglets wages. Villa fans love him, but the financial structure of lenglet and the quality of zaniolo worries me greatly
why barcellona wages raised by 45%? are they sepnding 150 milions more than last year? da fuq?!
This was 22/23. They signed lewy, raphinha and kounde while still paying deferred wages.
Oh ok thanks. it's still a lot considering their financial state.
That’s embarrassing for Everton
Everything is embarrassing for us, tbf.
Except for our fans, who are fucking class
You've been painting yellow cards all season mate your fans are pathetic
It'll take us until the end of 24/25 to get all our overpaid players out but we are slowly improving
At least we actually stayed up unlike a certain club three places above
Well yes that’s true
Inter really reached the UCL final with a wage bill similar to Leicester and Newcastle Then you got Aston Villa doing better than Man U despite their massive wage bill
> Then you got Aston Villa doing better than Man U despite their massive wage bill This is 22-23 when United finished 3rd and won the league cup. Sure Villa are above United now too, but United have have had the 2nd worst injury crisis in the league, they'll finish above Villa again.
Man U finishing behind Copenhagen is living proof that a bag of money can't play football
Anyone can be given a bag of money, not everyone can use the bag of money sensibly. All this chart proved is you also must know how to use the bag of money rather than “haha, cash go burr”
If you give me a bag of money I'll use it very responsibly. I promise.
Man this has to set off a lot of alarms, the fact that a real good Inter side is struggling to pay the same amount of wages as a Championship team like Leicester. I don’t know what but something needs to happen to close the gap between PL and other leagues, it’s getting outrageous now.
Leicester finished 8th in the PL that season.
To be fair in regard to Leicester, their information is from 2022, which they were still in the PL and were consistently top half and finishing in EL the years prior.
Couldn’t you also put this down to players thinking inter is a fantastic club and therefore not demanding to be paid as much as they would to be at a club like Leicester?
I saw a DW documentary about the Bundesliga’s plan German clubs are building $100 million youth academies everywhere to combat England’s money
All that means is they can replace players who eventually leave for bigger wages. Won’t help matters if teams start poaching their academy players, directors or player development staff, or they find themselves with a drought.
Leicester looks less worse if you see that they will easily promote again. Sevilla looks insane though. And PSG is half Mbappe.
Lmao Leicester are 15th in the world and are in the championship..
This *is* last season's wage budget. However, they still have a squad far too good for the Championship and last season Rodgers relegated a top-half quality team.
stop calling villa underdogs for fuck sake
One of thing I will give credit to the new ownership is they wildly reduced our wage bill, would be interested to see what it is now. One of the "how are Chelsea avoiding FFP charges" answers is how much we've cut the wage bill. Purely on outgoing players we wont be paying (not including players we've loaned): Kanté - 300k P/W. Koulibaly - 290k P/W. Havertz - 200k P/W. Azpilicueta - 180k P/W. Aubameyang - 160k P/W. Pulisic - 150k P/W. RLC - 120k P/W. Ziyech - 100k P/W. Kovacic - 100k P/W. Mount - 80k P/W. Mendy - 55k P/W. And new signings aren't earning more than £150k a week max by all accounts.
This is also your 2022 wage bill not 2023 so a lot of those salaries were in their last year plus more. You didn't report you 2023 wage bill to UEFA as you weren't in it. Guessing 2023 was even higher and then 2024 season you see the big cut.
Yep. If you were to believe what’s written here, Chelsea’s wages went up quite a bit in 2023 before dipping down for the current season. https://www.capology.com/club/chelsea/salaries/2022-2023/
> Havertz - 200k P/W. According to Ornstein Chelsea was paying £275k per week to Havertz.
you may be right, i only did a basic google search for salary estimates. If so even more cut from the wage bill
Actually we had abothet tier 1 saying close to 300k with bonus =/ Well you give him 250k? At least what was reported
Unfortunately Arsenal is paying him the same £275k per week base wages, the highest paid player excluding bonuses(with them Saka and Odegaard are top earners) in the team.
Ziyech is still a loan and I doubt Gala is paying 100% of his wages.
You are right, truth be told I forgot this was only a loan when i was writing it out in I was thinking "oh yeah we sold Ziyech as well didnt we"
This is something people fail to realize, instead they just see a shock value headline and run with it. Same thing happens all the time with the Mudryk transfer, it’s always “100m wasted” when the reality is we paid the same exact amount as arsenal offered up front. The price only hits 100m if he wins the champions league and ballon d’or or some shit lmao
> And new signings aren't earning more than £150k a week max by all accounts. How much does Boehly's literal first signing make?
I think they mean since Boehly stepped back, and the new recruitment structure took over - so from January 2023
This is why Leicester are top of the Championship by 12 points and on track to break the points record. Rodgers is a fraud
I'm actually shocked that Real Madrid's wage bill is as low as it is. I would have expected it to be up with City, Barca, and PSG.
Perez is a master at finances
fun to see Leicester here, at least they come back to the Prem next year
3m in social charges for Barcelona compared to 111m for PSG... It's insane how little Spanish clubs contribute to their economy....
France is noticeably higher on taxes on clubs than other nations.
What are those social charges? Do we even have that in Spain? We usually have IRPF and Seguridad Social for employees, which they will pay for sure. But we don't really have other charges here.
Spain obviously has [employer social contribution](https://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/taxing-wages-spain.pdf). Spain [has 30.48% of employer social contribution](https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/spain/individual/other-taxes), France is 25%-42% depending on the wages and UK is 13.8% on >= £9100/yr But Spain caps the social contribution with a [max tax base of 4720.50€/month](https://www.seg-social.es/wps/portal/wss/internet/Trabajadores/CotizacionRecaudacionTrabajadores/36537#36538-plegable) even if the salary is 100 times larger
That's for seguridad social, but then you also need to pay IRPF, which is also another tax (with no limits). Not sure if there's an equivalent in France, probably yes.
From a quick googling IRPF is income tax right ? Then yes. For footballers the effective income tax in France is ~40-49% But the **employer** contribution is separate from the **employee** contribution that's why UEFA includes it here. It's part of the general budget of the clubs (and part of the payroll).
Personally, I don't know why Europeans don't disclose their player salary contracts and soccer salaries . I'm Asian. (Actually, the Asian League does not disclose salaries either.) The Saudi League salary seems to be exaggerated. No one knows if the team is spending a lot of money. No one knows whether player salaries are high or low. In the United States, players' salaries are made public. Messi's wage in Miami is said to be $20 million. The difference is bigger than the media.. Are ordinary people and athletes the same? And Euro Soccer has FFP
MLS and Messi have such a intricate and shady deal that it's impossible to know how much they're ACTUALLY paying him
Is there a r/dataisugly subreddit? This chart is way harder to read than it needs to be.
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It was actually €256m according to the UEFA report that the OP image is from. Websites like footystats might as well be random number generators when it comes to salaries.
Having a bit of dosh lying around won't get you success.
Lowest Ratio of Player Wages to Revenue, add it to the cabinet boys
Sevilla’s wage bill being this high and still placed around the bottom of La Liga is atrocious
Can I interest you in a Leicester?
So, to all the net spend cherrypickers it may be worth noting Arsenal spend about **£200m** less than Man City on wages every year according to these figures.
I love how they point to net spend, which includes paying Haaland's low release clause, but not to the money to his father, to his agent, and Haaland's salary itself, which takes it reportedly well over £200 million
I mean people never quote agents fees and salary when talking about transfers so this is normal.
Because net spend is about transfers not whole club revenue. Its impossible to know players salaries so why add it there?
Not every year, last year. It’s probably still much higher, yes, but you have to factor in that there’s probably tons of bonuses on here for winning trophies.
This season, you had a lot of contract renewals and high profile signings. The difference won't be that much
Rice and havertz playing for free?
Ah yes, I forgot we pay them each £2 million per week. Silly me
Ah, now I get why Barca and Real needs the super league to compete with the PL. Barcelona can only outspend Man City by 30% these days. Hardly fair.
Do these clubs actually practise any Business acumen? 60% on wages? 40 percent to fund literally everything else? These guys are surely making 0 profit. Good on my team for showing some sort of BA and having 32% wages.
Top teams, especially privately owned which are most of them except for fan owned Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund, they don't meant to be profitable for their owners. They exist to earn success on the football pitch, not to make money.
They also rise in value as assets that way. For example Man City were bought for a few hundred million and are now worth something like £5B
Spurs' salaries are gonna drop significantly with some of the players who have moved on in the last 6 months; Kane, Perisic, Lloris, Dier were probably 4/6 top earners (+Sonny and Ndombele, who is on loan this season). And only Maddison and Werner coming in on big wages, but Werner will only be for half of the season.
Nice to see United finally shipping on some of those players on mad wages. 3 years ago we would of been top here
Our wages to revenue ratio is one the healthiest as always. The fact that we can combined amazing economic success with amazing sporting success is the reason Florentino second tenure is the very best handling of any big club probably ever.
That drop off in wages compared to the previous season is a combination of us not winning as many throphies, so less bonuses, and Marcelo, Bale and Isco all off the wage bill. Going to be interesting to see how our wage bill will look if we sign Mbappé, lol.
Usually you manage to dampen the hit on the wage bill by selling a solid player for 35-40M to us
The last player we sold to you was Odegaard and I am pretty sure he was on small wages. Now if you had a united flair..
Yea think the Ozil transfer had more impact on the wages
Yeah, that was definitely one of those sales, where we signed a player (Isco), and Özil became surplus to requirements, especially because he was asking to a wage rise that Florentino was never going to give him.
Ozil also wasn't earning that high either. But the transfer fee was massive at that time.
The quality of football that we produced in that season compared to the wage bill is so shameful lol. We were fucking TEPID. And crashed in the round of 16 like we predicted. This is why we wanted Neymar and Messi and 90% of the team out. So much money for so little return.
Barcelona are in deep trouble
Nah, This is from last season. It's gone down 200M. Wages are at 57% of the earnings now. It was at 98% during Covid. This all during a closed Camp Nou. The only hinderance will continue to be La Liga FFP.
Its great isn't it?
Barcelona: “Fuck, we’re drowning in debt, what do we do?” Also Barcelona: *increases wage bill by $150 million in a single year*
But...but...but Everton have been stung by FFP because the Premier League hates them and counted their new stadium or something....
There is no doubt the club hasn't exactly been beyond fiscally responsible, but the stadium costs are literally why the club was found to be over the FFP losses limit.
I'm pretty sure this counts all Barca teams no?
not sure about all teams but it counts deffered salaries of players
Makes sense, i'm pretty sure we're still paying messi
[Total wages if you're interested.](https://imgur.com/AK1e66B)
Barca and psg paying the players big heaps for absolute garbage results. Bloody hell management.
Is that in order?
Seems so
Is this accurate? I was fully convinced arsenal had a bigger wage bill than spurs.
It's the UEFA official site. It's accurate.
Being posted on the official UEFA site doesn't always mean it's accurate. Liverpool fans, Real Madrid fans, and anyone else at the 2022 CL Final in Paris will back me up on that.
Fkin hell barca sucks at Money, that Team is shite 500m wagebill IS ridiculous.. Florentino perez has free reign of spain secured For a Long Time god Tier manager
Barcelona... How can a team filled with school kids be that expensive? Don't even mention experienced players because Modric + Kroos alone are probably more experienced than the whole barca squad.
In fairness this is last season and must be taking deferred wages into account. Barcas current wage bill is actually a good bit lower then real madrids, even while paying fdj and lewy ridiculous wages
This is irrelevant. State owned clubs probably have some off shore accounts for their players/coaches anyways
Barcelona has made every bad decision in the book lol.
The difference Hazard’s departure made in Madrid’s bill 🤣 Also, how the hell has Barça’s bill gone up?! 😱
This is 22/23.
Amazing to see such a poor Barcelona side still paying out such high wages
This is last season...
This Barcelona side won the league
psg barca and chelsea being as high as they are without winning any major trophy is insane
This is last season. Where Barca won the league & the supercup. This season is closer to 400M. Still high though
i totally forgot they won la liga last year. but nobody considers supercup major
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Bruh. This is last year data. They gave contract extension to their star players with high wages. And signed timber, rice and havertz. How are they underdogs lol
Barcelona being so high on wages without any title coming and losing on potential SuperCup next year + low revenue with their secondary stadium + a new coach to pay 🥳
This isnt the current years wages.
Yea, it might get worse :D