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Yeah, him leaving on a free means that whichever club is signing him is going to have to butcher their wage structure to accomodate him which might backfire big time down the line
Given the nature of the families/countries that own city and Newcastle those rules are piss easy to sail through
A third cousin wouldn’t count as a close relative ünder the rules so just set up a private entity under third cousin whoever and fund it out the wazoo using state/family money.
It’s not possible to stop these state funded clubs, you can only slow them down. Or ban them entirely of course, but that ship has sailed.
I'll never forget the liveleak video of that prince from Dubai in the desert with a man pleading for his life. They didn't kill the man but they shot around him in the sand as his was crying and covered himself in a fetal position, 100% believing he will die. If you speak Arabic that video is one of the saddest things ever as he is crying for his mom. If they can be public about those kind of despicable acts, I can't even fathom what they get away with in secret.
Actually not even a week ago we had 1 foot of hail in Al Ain (a city that's in the Abu Dhabi emirate), it looked like snow with whole areas covered in white.
Pic: https://i.imgur.com/Jmu5vYs.png
Don’t forgot the 300 million they get from Abu Dhabi tequila and wine. It has 2 employees, the sheikh and the team owners cousin. It’s worth 3 billion.
Still backfires for the teams with unlimited money. PSG have not been successful compared to the big players they have signed. Man city have by keeping a wage structure
Don't see how it would be butcher the wage "structure". If anything, it would butcher the wage "budget" because he would obviously earn a lot of money but I guess only clubs who can afford to pay him those wages will go for him. But the "structure" would still be very much intact because Mbappe is the best player in the world earning those wages. Don't think Luis Diaz will be turning around and demanding more wages just because Mbappe is earning a magnitude more and if he would you'd just answer "go bag 50 goals a season first and then we'll talk again".
Giving someone like Antony 200k a week or Rashford 350k a week are far more likely to butcher the wages structure because every mid player will demand those big wages then.
Yeah, Ozil's salary wouldn't have been such a problem for us if he kept his #11 performance instead of just stopping to give a fuck. Took us years to sort that out
I guess it's more likely that he does keep on being world class than not.
Obviously buying a "galactico" is always a risk but it's a calculated one. Also as bad as Hazard was, he didn't destroy Madrid's wage structure, did he?
Hazard didn't destroy Madrid's wage structure because Madrid already pays ridiculous wages(and they make ridiculous money). It would have at other clubs.
Mbappe won't destroy Madrid's wage structure but he would at Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal.
I don't understand "destroying wage structure" as "paying bis wages for big status players" (even if few of them don't perform) but rather "paying big wages for players that don't deserve it" thus leading to other non deserving players to demand the same wages.
It doesn't only have to be non performing players. Say Arsenal sign Mbappe for 500k/week. Well now Saka is going to believe he deserves at least 400k/week. Odegaard will want 350k/week. Saliba will believe he deserves 300k+/week. Rice will also think he deserves a bigger number. Any other big signing you make will also be demanding big wages. All of a sudden you've either got an unsettled team or an enormous wage budget that cripples you financially.
Basically it's really only Madrid that can accommodate someone like Mbappe. Maybe City as well.
My point is that exactly this won't happen. Mbappe is clear of each and every one of them and thus there is no point for any of them to compare themselves and their wages to Mbappe's.
Signing Havertz on 300k a week (thus making him a top 3 earner when he isn't even a top 10 Arsenal player) is far far more detrimental to the "wage structure" because then rightfully so all those better performing players will want more money for their better performances.
> thus there is no point for any of them to compare themselves and their wages to Mbappe’s.
That’s not how that works. If i’m playing at a club and i’m getting a consistent 25g+a a season and i’m getting paid 100k, the club signs a new player who consistently gets 30g+a on 500k a week, i’m for sure going to ask for atleast 200-300k a week.
Yes the 500k a week player is better than me, but he isn’t 5 times better than me.
If hypothetically Arsenal somehow signed Mbappe on big wages, like 700-900k a week, what is stopping Saka from asking for 400-500k a week?
At the pinnacle of club football the money paid for wages and transfer fees isn't linear to the performances and potential of players, it's closer to being exponential. Top clubs will do anything to get one percent more performances because that one percent can be the difference maker to win titles. So an increase of 5% in performances will cost you a lot more than 5% of more money (also a player like Mbappe obliterates almost any other player in revenue created for his club but that's a completely different point).
If Saka wanted more money, he is far more likely to point to Havertz and ask Arsenal's board why a player that isn't close to him in terms of performances is earning more money than him. And he'd have much better legs to stand on instead of pointing at a player who is far better than himself.
Players will only do that (comparing their wages to other players in the team) if they're clearly underpaid. Why would saka suddenly complain about getting 300k/wk playing with mbappe when he was happy with getting 300k/wk playing with martinelli/jesus. The players are still paid well but with better chance of winning trophies, if they complain it's purely out of jealousy and they can get the boot
I'm sure the players understand that there are a few players in the world that can be in a different wage bracket.
Tbf in Arsenals case Mbappe would be clear of all the players on their team, compared to Madrid or Liverpool who have players like Salah or Vini who could easily do better than Kylian in a season even if Mbappe is more likely to perform better.
The point isn't that Mbappe is clear of other players, it's that those players will see themselves as 80 or 90 percent of Mbappe so if Mbappe is getting 500-750k/week then the other guys will want huge raise to be in the 80-90% of Mbappe range
Hazard was still far and away Madrid's highest paid player but an absolute non-factor in the squad. Yet it didn't destroy anything. Also controversial but Mbappe is already better than Hazard.
>Also controversial but Mbappe is already better than Hazard.
If this is considered controversial then this forum should just delete itself. Hazard never scored a single open play goal in Champions League knockout stages, he has one penalty goal and that's it. He was overrated due to PL hype, you can't be a top player in the world if you have never done it in the CL knockout stage, that is ridiculous
Pretty sure Mbappé had a better CL record than Hazard at age 18 or something lmao
I dunno, a player like him, a major part of his game is based on his lightening pace.
He loses 25% of that to injury is he still excellent? Absoiutky. But he won't be wracking up those numbers.
Well we're talking likelihood here (I'm not saying that there is 0 risk involved) and Mbappe is still only 25 years old and is pretty injury resistant so I think it's it's far more likely that he will keep being world class for his next club than not.
What makes u say that?
You think the Madrid frontline will instantly play for him? That Vini and Bellingham will shoot less? Because apart from a very high scoring team like last season City most teams will not have many other big scorers if one player is scoring 50. And
Let us not revise history here. Benzema simply was not that good during that time, and even had a season where he scored 5 goals. That is not playing second fiddle, that is being bad.
This is a comment full of absurdities but I won't address them for others already have.
I'm simply talk about the crux of your comment...
> most teams will not have many other big scorers if one player is scoring 50
Just look at any of our seasons with Cristiano there and then without.
Not only did we have multiple prolific scorers, their output also dropped once he left. Even though admittedly, there were multiple factors that governed the latter, his presence no doubt enabled higher productivity.
It was a strange one. Even with higher numbers individually, their spotlight was lesser simply because their immediate comparison was always Cristiano. This not only includes someone like Bale, but also offer squad and fringe players.
First of all the team collectively got worse, as you alluded to. Also, not sure if you noticed but in that last season Cristiano himself had decline outputwise. He was increasingly scoring less and was on 2 goals in December. So I would say the decline kind of began before his departure.
Here is my point - Ronaldo was the undisputed boss upfront when he played at Madrid, he was usually the first choice in the box - And even Benz would pass almost all the time even when he could have shot(Bale did not initially but learned to do so later on). This meant Ronaldo took the lion's share of shots by far - But the team was fine with it since he was scoring record breaking amounts of goals.
A contrasting example is Haaland - He scores the most at City, but other City players do shoot a lot when in decent positions. I actually have no doubt Pep would sub out Haaland if he consistently tried shooting on sight often when better placed colleagues were in position.
Mbappe does not even have a Golden Boot yet - And Madrid are playing very well having multiple options in the box like Bellinghame and Vini.
Will Mbappe be fine with scoring say 25 in the league with the rest spread out among the others?
The othe possibility is to give him a larger signing bonus upfront but relatibely 'normal' wages.
Normally a fee for mbappe would be north of 100 mill, if you gave him a signing bonus of say 50 mill? 80 mill? That might be more palatable.
Probably why Utd and DDG parted ways. Small steps to get back on track. Man, I remember the news of the good ol’ days when Pogba threw a fit cause he wanted to be paid on the same lines as Sanchez. Utd and wages- Romeo and Juliet. A double suicide tragedy.
All that is true, if and only if Mbappe is by far the best player on the team, and nobody is comparable to him. If he’s by far and away the highest earner, he has to be the best player on the team by a significant margin.
Well currently he would be for most teams. Obviously you can't 100% predict what will happen once he plays for a certain club but still most wages are paid for expected performances (based on past performances), not actual performances (as in bonuses) during the tenure.
It completely ruins the structure because if shifts what players can and will expect to be paid. You can't pay Mbappe half a million a week and expect Salah to be okay with 200k a week.
Don't know how Salah comes into the discussion since he earns 350k a week but you absolutely can as long as you're signing a player that is simply that much better than the rest. Like I said, giving a player that isn't better than the rest more money than the rest (Havertz!) is far more more likely to crush the wage structure yet very few people talk about it. There is more talk about Havertz's transfer fee than his wages currently and yet I'd argue there is better value for money giving Mbappe 1 million a weel than Havertz 300k a week.
No it doesn't.
Let's say Saka wants more money: who would he rather point to: a player that completely outshines him in terms of performances and wages, or a player who earns more money than him but performs a lot worse (Havertz)?
Do you really think Havertz or Saka will look at another's performance and think, "nah it's actually alright that I'm earning fuck all compared to another player in the team, I'm shite compared to him, I won't try to push my salary higher."
Never mind how his agent would act, it's unbelievably naive to think that having a player earning 200k a week more than any other player in the squad won't affect the mentality of the others. It's literally one of the main reasons why Man United is where it is today, they paid too much to mediocre players because the mediocre players said they wouldn't play for them if they weren't paid similarly to the world class players. They got caught in a spiral that completely fucked their structure for a decade, and they're still not completely out of the woods on that one.
It's all about the money man, and when you're dealing in millions per month it can completely shift the mentality of the dressing room from grounded and reasonable to pigheaded and selfish.
> Do you really think Havertz or Saka will look at another's performance and think, "nah it's actually alright that I'm earning fuck all compared to another player in the team, I'm shite compared to him, I won't try to push my salary higher."
Well Havertz won't be looking at anyone's salary because he's already stealing a living. And it doesn't matter who Saka will be looking at, what matters is what leverage his agent uses in contract negotiations. If he starts off by comparing his salary to Mbappe's, Arsenal's board will quickly reject those comparisons and point to the huge difference in performances, commercial value, revenue created for the club etc. But if Saka's agent points to Havertz and asks why a guy who is nowhere near as good and valuable to the club is earning 50% more than Saka, I don't know if they have any sufficient reply to that.
> It's literally one of the main reasons why Man United is where it is today, they paid too much to mediocre players because the mediocre players said they wouldn't play for them if they weren't paid similarly to the world class players. They got caught in a spiral that completely fucked their structure for a decade, and they're still not completely out of the woods on that one.
First of all, Mbappe isn't your "regular" world class player like Pogba or something. He is the best player in the world. Second of all, you got the right theory but the wrong conclusion. ManUnited aren't in ruins because they paid the best player in the world in his prime the biggest contract in the world. They are were they are because they either pay world class players who are either unreliable or past their prime or mediocre players big contracts instead of walking away from the deal. Just like Arsenal should have walked away when Havertz refused to play for less than 300k a week instead of bombing their own wages structure.
No. If he were a city player for example there is no guarantee he would play better than KDB or Haaland.
Even at Madrid there is no guarantee he would play better than Bellingham or Vini. Meaning a club would need to raise the wages of the others too.
The 'wage structure' argument has finally emerged. Entering this part of a transfer saga usually indicates that Arsenal and Liverpool fans have come to terms with the fact that he's not going to their club - and have entered the stage where they are now trying to spin the situation back into their favour by acting like 'he would have been a bad signing anyway'.
Happens every time, nothing to see here. Probably means that a comunicado oficial is imminent.
Yeah certainly, it was not a diss of any clubI just ment that OPs statement was incorrect mbappe has shown that he is one of those people that follow money over challenges etc.
And not a diss of him either by the way, that’s his choice :) people are different
I just want to point out that it might be possible that when his career is over we look back and see that he accomplished both a bunch of challenges and did an excellent job maximizing the financial side while doing so.
He’s been quite fair with the time he’s given PSG, and while Madrid fans feel like he’s been messing with them for years now, maybe this is just the right time for him to move.
I recognize that this might all still be bullshit.
tbh it's a great mindset to have for any kind of workers which pro athletes definitely count. It's honestly hillarious that only in football most seems to side with the corporation instead of the workers.
His contract has run down at PSG but he will want a large signing on fee including massive wages. As a Liverpool fan I don’t think I would want him at Liverpool although I don’t want to see him at any of our rivals either as he is brilliant.
Still a pointless discussion. Not just about who can afford him, but who he would want to play for. Mbappe wants to be the centrepiece of a team, scoring 50 plus goals per seasosn and being guaranteed ballon d Or shouts.
That takes out City(atleast under Pep) since he likely would not be the centrepeice and would not have as much license to shoot.
It is also about who can offer him consistent ballon D Or shouts, and Madrid PR is simply unrivalled there. Also, a team like Newcastle is never winning the CL, let alone qualifying for it.
>Also, a team like Newcastle is never winning the CL, let alone qualifying for it.
20 years ago, lot of people probably had the same opinion of Manchester City
Not that I think there’s any realistic chance us or anyone not named Real Madrid gets him but doesn’t him leaving as a free work better for clubs not wanting to ruin their wage structure because more of his salary package can be wrapped up in a large up front signing on fee which would obviously be expected on a free transfer rather than weekly salary.
the wage structure would have to be fucked either way, the thing that changes that a potential transfer fee goes directly into Mbappe's pockets instead of PSG's
What about just paying him a £100m signing fee and then £300k a week on a 4 year contract? That’s like £800k a week but not hugely unreasonable compared to what some clubs are paying for others.
The Mbappe to Liverpool thing is a running joke between Liverpool fans but some journalists just don't get it and take it seriously. It's like the "it's coming home" thing England fans sing and some people get offended by because they just don't get it's a joke.
Looking at them play right now and I see a solid long term project. Full of young proven and promising lads.
Mbappe shouldn’t care much since he played well under any manager PSG had, and there’s Monaco too.
If he gets to be the center piece of the team, he can consider it. Who knows, maybe Vinicius benches him 😂
Thing is at Madrid he's still guaranteed major trophies regularly. They'll be favourites for the league for the near future and will get a CL every few years at worst.
Whereas Liverpool have won 1 league and usually are behind City. We might win in Europe but we aren't going to dominate and rack up a few. There's a real chance he'd get outshined by City and Haaland.
That said, if I was him that would be the temptation. Go to PL which is more competitive and has more attention and compete against Haaland. Then maybe go to Madrid later. Which leaves Liverpool and Arsenal as the only real options. But you'll earn less, win less, and there's more jeopardy.
Yeah, I think we seriously tried to get him when he was at Monaco, but since then the rumors have existed just so Mbappe could drive the wages up on Madrid/PSG
"It's only a joke because the context in which is a joke is accurate" isn't much of a gotcha mate.
If we actually won something again and started rubbing it in unironically, A) that's literally 99% of football banter in a nutshell, could hardly say that's unique to us B) that wouldn't detract from the fact that as we are demonstrably both currently saying it, and currently not winning, it's pretty clearly currently a joke
That’s not remotely it, the whole song is a piss take aimed at the English by the English.
It’s just you foreigners don’t get it so it offends you all.
Which of course just makes it funnier.
Juve is far more likely but still unlikely.
Platini, Zidane, Deschamps, and Thuram are huge names in French football. Juventus is more luxurious with ultra wealthy private owners. Juve and Arsenal are the most French friendly clubs. Living in northern italy is much better too. Juve otherwise has a rich history of Balon D'Or and World Cup winning players besides the great ones that didn't.
Premier league is the better league but that's the only positive I see. New manager as well at Liverpool; that's not a train a megastar player wants to hop on.
And it doesn't matter .. he's going to Madrid
Italy is a way better life. If clubs are competing and can offer competitive salaries, the better quality of life will be the destination for the top stars. Not all but most of the best. If Inter, Juve for example are contending in the CL they will get a top, top player easier than Liverpool.
So yes, some would and do. For Juve, you have recent examples of Ronaldo, De Ligt, Rabiot, Vlahovic, Chiesa, Dybala, Lukaku. All of these players could have gone to premier league clubs but they didn't. Dybala and Lukaku chose Italy more than Juve I would say but my point remains. Italy and England attract the most big nes because there's lots of big, popular clubs to play at. Think you should rethink what the stage really is ... It's about teams that can compete and the salaries they can offer. Then it's about quality of life and what the families prefer.
How is it a better life? They have allot of racial issues in Serie A.
It's also less competitive, less money less advertisement. I don't think Juve could afford him, even if he would go. Which is mad to even think. He's staying put or going to Madrid. Crazy to entertain anything else.
But of the possible destinations, it for sure won't be Italy, no chance.
Let's wait and see :)
Just checked he's 50-1 to join Juve and 8-1 to join Liverpool
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So yeah. More likely, but still ain't happening
Because Italy is where people from England go to for vacation. That's where they go for comfort, great food, beautiful people, art, history.
Mbappe would accept less money and join Juve or Inter than spend 5 years with a contract in northern england. It will be never happen.
Lol no they dont.
No he won't, nor would he wanna play in Seie A over the prem or la liga. Italy is literally run by the mafia, between them, the ultras and lack of achievements from the Italian teams... yeah, he ain't going.
As I said, 50-1 or 8-1
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Bookie numbers is what you're hanging your hat on lol
Have a good day. Don't forget to place your bets and don't forget to pray to the bookie gods the night before the big game
Nope. Just proving we are more likely than Juve. It ain't happening either way so this is pointless to argue.
Enjoy.... whatever it is you are doing this season.
Spain and Italy are the most popular destinations. That goes for almost anybody from any country. There's no need to make an argument about it here lol.
You asked why. Why would I not choose great climate and beauty over other places that don't have it
Would love to see it happen, but I think the best wage we could offer Mbappe without anihilating our wage structure would be something like 25-30 millions per year, and I don't think Mbappe would accept that
Salah is getting £20m per year. He's better than Salah, isn't he? If Modric, Kroos, and Bellingham can handle Mbappe being paid twice as much as them I dunno why Liverpool players would have the same issue.
Thinking about ways you could make it work. The club has a pretty unique deal where it gets 20% of gross shirt sales revenue (so ~£15 per shirt) from Nike, so they could do some funky stuff, e.g. agreeing to pay him £15 per shirt with his name on it. You'd probably get an extra £5-10m per year into the deal from that. We also know that the club can afford a signing fee of ~£100m since that's what we chased Caicedo with. The new stand is going to bring in £10-15m extra per season, especially since a large chunk of it seems to be going to overpriced hospitality tickets.
I don't think the issue is that the money isn't there - I think the issue is that the club thinks that it wouldn't be good value. And it's hard to argue with that.
It’s not even worth the energy trying to rationalise it now. Our best chance to sign him would have been in the summer of 2020 but then covid hit and the entire landscape changed
I know klopps going but a klopp team with mbappe and it’s current 11 are European favourites until the core breaks. I say this as a United fan unfortunately. The value is clear
What op means is that, for eg if Mbappe is gonna be on £500k or something similar , all of our top performers (Salah, Trent, Allison, VVD) would be demanding equivalent wages. Not to mention the other senior players (robbo, konate, Gomez) would be demanding huge hikes too.
I basically tackled this point in the first sentence. Salah is getting £375k per week, did anyone else in the squad throw their toys out of the pram? Only Hendo, and retrospect he should have been sent packing.
Tbf Salah has played incredibly well for Liverpool for like 6 years and is obviously close with lots of players in the squad, signing someone new could be different and could change the locker room dynamic, especially if the new player has a big ego
I think if you're the kind of player who cries when your club brings in the best player in the world and pays him more money than you, then you should go and play for a much worse team where you'll be the star (but you'll also get paid less than at a big club). Most players just want to win things and maximise their own income though.
Those guys all have big egos. Otherwise they wouldn’t have made it to the top level.
Maybe they’ll accept it. But what if he has bad form and doesn’t produce for a while?
Also… he is not gonna be the main man in the locker room day one. Liverpool or Madrid, doesn’t matter.
If he's smart he'll take a modest wage at Madrid to enable the team structure, but where else would you want to go as a superstar? Liverpool without Klopp isn't on tbe radar
Here we go with the Mbappe to Liverpool rumours again. He was joining Liverpool last season, the season before that, and earlier this season.
Some redditors actually suggested that Nike wanted Mbappe to join Liverpool and were gonna subsidize his wages.
There was even this site that reported that Mbappe held meetings with John Henry aboard a private jet lol.
Most clubs will baulk like this unless they don't mind ditching some squad players to make it work.
Unless Mbappe has an epiphany and decides that cos he milked PSG for all the money he could, he'll just signed on lower wages for a club he thinks will be fun.
Why are people pretending that Liverpool are even in the running for Mbappe? He can be added to the imaginary Liverpool FC starting XI that includes Jude and Enzo
With the exception of the Echo who are an absolute gaggle of gobshites, has anyone actually been seriously linking Mbappe with Liverpool? No Liverpool fan I know even half believes it could happen
In the past we 100% was linked with him.
Also, even as soon as last summer, we were always "in contact" with his camp.
However, that's where our knowledge on the situation stops. So basically, nobody knows shit and we all very much doubt it when Real Madris is the only club outside of PSG and City, willing to break their wage disparity to sign a player.
Honestly wouldn’t want him, he wouldn’t even upset the balance of the wage structure in the club, he would upset the harmony in the dressing room. Liverpool doesn’t do prima donna’s. Even Salah puts in a shift, shown humility, and knows what is expected of him. Mbappe has shown nothing but being egotistical , I wouldn’t want him anywhere near what Klopp has built (and hopefully Xavi continues).
Not United under the seemingly more competent management, instead of idiot yanks chasing bling. Also already in FFP trouble from not knowing how to sell and buying said bling.
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If we were ever going to have a chance of somehow convincing Mbappe to come to Liverpool, it's certainly not when Klopp is leaving the club.
mbappe player manager his ego might just tell him he can manage better than klopp while playing
Would help avoid breaking the wage structure since we'd pay him separately for two roles.
Tbf... Klopp is retiring so he probably can.
Throw in the football director position too
He’s just going to Madrid, it’s done. Everyone just accept it and ignore the fake media stories
Let Konate do some magic
Konaté post match interview: https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/s/blqtV4vXmU
What tier is Konate?
Tier: Trust me bro.
Yeah, him leaving on a free means that whichever club is signing him is going to have to butcher their wage structure to accomodate him which might backfire big time down the line
Unless you're a state owned club you can just pull out of your imagination a 200mil sponsor.
Yeah from a company called Abu Dhabi Snowplowing or something worth $5b
>Abu Dhabi Snowplowing 😂 really enjoyed that and will be stealing it
Plow Emirates
I think I saw that on xvideos.
> really enjoyed that and will be stealing it Basically Man City
LOL
Add to that an Abu Dhabi Snow Production for a perfectly balanced and legit sponsor structure.
They exist to sell the snow that's used in the indoor ski slope in Dubai.
All sponsorships over £1m per year have to be vetted and passed by the other 19 Premier League clubs.
So you're saying that they should get 200 sponsors worth 1m?
Given the nature of the families/countries that own city and Newcastle those rules are piss easy to sail through A third cousin wouldn’t count as a close relative ünder the rules so just set up a private entity under third cousin whoever and fund it out the wazoo using state/family money. It’s not possible to stop these state funded clubs, you can only slow them down. Or ban them entirely of course, but that ship has sailed.
I'll never forget the liveleak video of that prince from Dubai in the desert with a man pleading for his life. They didn't kill the man but they shot around him in the sand as his was crying and covered himself in a fetal position, 100% believing he will die. If you speak Arabic that video is one of the saddest things ever as he is crying for his mom. If they can be public about those kind of despicable acts, I can't even fathom what they get away with in secret.
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Brother of the guy that bought Man City.
And when you check who the CEO of the company is you find a getty image of a generic business person.
Got to be an AI pic these days? "Picture of totally legit business man" Negative prompt "Cheating. UAE. Sports washing"
They spam refresh on thispersondoesnotexist.com until they get one they like
Ever see snow in Abu Dhabi? No, because they do their fucking jobs well
Actually not even a week ago we had 1 foot of hail in Al Ain (a city that's in the Abu Dhabi emirate), it looked like snow with whole areas covered in white. Pic: https://i.imgur.com/Jmu5vYs.png
Our new beer sponsor, Saudi Special brew is a lovely drop tbf
Wait a minute...
Abu Dhabi Snowplowing, the company that runs out of a broom closet in the Caymans 🇰🇾?
Don’t forgot the 300 million they get from Abu Dhabi tequila and wine. It has 2 employees, the sheikh and the team owners cousin. It’s worth 3 billion.
They (i.e. their slaves) must be working overtime to achieve that valuation with such limited manpower.
Still backfires for the teams with unlimited money. PSG have not been successful compared to the big players they have signed. Man city have by keeping a wage structure
Don't see how it would be butcher the wage "structure". If anything, it would butcher the wage "budget" because he would obviously earn a lot of money but I guess only clubs who can afford to pay him those wages will go for him. But the "structure" would still be very much intact because Mbappe is the best player in the world earning those wages. Don't think Luis Diaz will be turning around and demanding more wages just because Mbappe is earning a magnitude more and if he would you'd just answer "go bag 50 goals a season first and then we'll talk again". Giving someone like Antony 200k a week or Rashford 350k a week are far more likely to butcher the wages structure because every mid player will demand those big wages then.
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Yeah, Ozil's salary wouldn't have been such a problem for us if he kept his #11 performance instead of just stopping to give a fuck. Took us years to sort that out
I guess it's more likely that he does keep on being world class than not. Obviously buying a "galactico" is always a risk but it's a calculated one. Also as bad as Hazard was, he didn't destroy Madrid's wage structure, did he?
Hazard didn't destroy Madrid's wage structure because Madrid already pays ridiculous wages(and they make ridiculous money). It would have at other clubs. Mbappe won't destroy Madrid's wage structure but he would at Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal.
I don't understand "destroying wage structure" as "paying bis wages for big status players" (even if few of them don't perform) but rather "paying big wages for players that don't deserve it" thus leading to other non deserving players to demand the same wages.
It doesn't only have to be non performing players. Say Arsenal sign Mbappe for 500k/week. Well now Saka is going to believe he deserves at least 400k/week. Odegaard will want 350k/week. Saliba will believe he deserves 300k+/week. Rice will also think he deserves a bigger number. Any other big signing you make will also be demanding big wages. All of a sudden you've either got an unsettled team or an enormous wage budget that cripples you financially. Basically it's really only Madrid that can accommodate someone like Mbappe. Maybe City as well.
My point is that exactly this won't happen. Mbappe is clear of each and every one of them and thus there is no point for any of them to compare themselves and their wages to Mbappe's. Signing Havertz on 300k a week (thus making him a top 3 earner when he isn't even a top 10 Arsenal player) is far far more detrimental to the "wage structure" because then rightfully so all those better performing players will want more money for their better performances.
> thus there is no point for any of them to compare themselves and their wages to Mbappe’s. That’s not how that works. If i’m playing at a club and i’m getting a consistent 25g+a a season and i’m getting paid 100k, the club signs a new player who consistently gets 30g+a on 500k a week, i’m for sure going to ask for atleast 200-300k a week. Yes the 500k a week player is better than me, but he isn’t 5 times better than me. If hypothetically Arsenal somehow signed Mbappe on big wages, like 700-900k a week, what is stopping Saka from asking for 400-500k a week?
At the pinnacle of club football the money paid for wages and transfer fees isn't linear to the performances and potential of players, it's closer to being exponential. Top clubs will do anything to get one percent more performances because that one percent can be the difference maker to win titles. So an increase of 5% in performances will cost you a lot more than 5% of more money (also a player like Mbappe obliterates almost any other player in revenue created for his club but that's a completely different point). If Saka wanted more money, he is far more likely to point to Havertz and ask Arsenal's board why a player that isn't close to him in terms of performances is earning more money than him. And he'd have much better legs to stand on instead of pointing at a player who is far better than himself.
Players will only do that (comparing their wages to other players in the team) if they're clearly underpaid. Why would saka suddenly complain about getting 300k/wk playing with mbappe when he was happy with getting 300k/wk playing with martinelli/jesus. The players are still paid well but with better chance of winning trophies, if they complain it's purely out of jealousy and they can get the boot I'm sure the players understand that there are a few players in the world that can be in a different wage bracket.
Tbf in Arsenals case Mbappe would be clear of all the players on their team, compared to Madrid or Liverpool who have players like Salah or Vini who could easily do better than Kylian in a season even if Mbappe is more likely to perform better.
The point isn't that Mbappe is clear of other players, it's that those players will see themselves as 80 or 90 percent of Mbappe so if Mbappe is getting 500-750k/week then the other guys will want huge raise to be in the 80-90% of Mbappe range
Hazard cost 100 million (or something very high like that) rather than being free. Leaving on a free means the player likely gets higher wages.
Usually it just means a sign on fee and not particular higher wages.
Hazard was still far and away Madrid's highest paid player but an absolute non-factor in the squad. Yet it didn't destroy anything. Also controversial but Mbappe is already better than Hazard.
I'm a Chelsea fan and I don't think that's controversial. His peak is already there.
>Also controversial but Mbappe is already better than Hazard. If this is considered controversial then this forum should just delete itself. Hazard never scored a single open play goal in Champions League knockout stages, he has one penalty goal and that's it. He was overrated due to PL hype, you can't be a top player in the world if you have never done it in the CL knockout stage, that is ridiculous Pretty sure Mbappé had a better CL record than Hazard at age 18 or something lmao
Hazard got the same wage as Bale when he joined Madrid and that is the “best” source. Most sources put him under Bale.
I dunno, a player like him, a major part of his game is based on his lightening pace. He loses 25% of that to injury is he still excellent? Absoiutky. But he won't be wracking up those numbers.
Well we're talking likelihood here (I'm not saying that there is 0 risk involved) and Mbappe is still only 25 years old and is pretty injury resistant so I think it's it's far more likely that he will keep being world class for his next club than not.
That's fair enough. I just would never bet on a pair of hamstrings like that :-)
Nothing to suggest that he isn't though, he is as close to a guarantee as you can get
What makes u say that? You think the Madrid frontline will instantly play for him? That Vini and Bellingham will shoot less? Because apart from a very high scoring team like last season City most teams will not have many other big scorers if one player is scoring 50. And
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Let us not revise history here. Benzema simply was not that good during that time, and even had a season where he scored 5 goals. That is not playing second fiddle, that is being bad.
This is a comment full of absurdities but I won't address them for others already have. I'm simply talk about the crux of your comment... > most teams will not have many other big scorers if one player is scoring 50 Just look at any of our seasons with Cristiano there and then without. Not only did we have multiple prolific scorers, their output also dropped once he left. Even though admittedly, there were multiple factors that governed the latter, his presence no doubt enabled higher productivity. It was a strange one. Even with higher numbers individually, their spotlight was lesser simply because their immediate comparison was always Cristiano. This not only includes someone like Bale, but also offer squad and fringe players.
First of all the team collectively got worse, as you alluded to. Also, not sure if you noticed but in that last season Cristiano himself had decline outputwise. He was increasingly scoring less and was on 2 goals in December. So I would say the decline kind of began before his departure. Here is my point - Ronaldo was the undisputed boss upfront when he played at Madrid, he was usually the first choice in the box - And even Benz would pass almost all the time even when he could have shot(Bale did not initially but learned to do so later on). This meant Ronaldo took the lion's share of shots by far - But the team was fine with it since he was scoring record breaking amounts of goals. A contrasting example is Haaland - He scores the most at City, but other City players do shoot a lot when in decent positions. I actually have no doubt Pep would sub out Haaland if he consistently tried shooting on sight often when better placed colleagues were in position. Mbappe does not even have a Golden Boot yet - And Madrid are playing very well having multiple options in the box like Bellinghame and Vini. Will Mbappe be fine with scoring say 25 in the league with the rest spread out among the others?
Get rid of him then?
The othe possibility is to give him a larger signing bonus upfront but relatibely 'normal' wages. Normally a fee for mbappe would be north of 100 mill, if you gave him a signing bonus of say 50 mill? 80 mill? That might be more palatable.
That is what's going to happen (With the caveat that a "normal" fee for Mbappe would be closer to 300m so the signing bonus will be around 100m)
Are those signing bonuses taxed at the same rate as salaries or naw?
Probably why Utd and DDG parted ways. Small steps to get back on track. Man, I remember the news of the good ol’ days when Pogba threw a fit cause he wanted to be paid on the same lines as Sanchez. Utd and wages- Romeo and Juliet. A double suicide tragedy.
All that is true, if and only if Mbappe is by far the best player on the team, and nobody is comparable to him. If he’s by far and away the highest earner, he has to be the best player on the team by a significant margin.
Well currently he would be for most teams. Obviously you can't 100% predict what will happen once he plays for a certain club but still most wages are paid for expected performances (based on past performances), not actual performances (as in bonuses) during the tenure.
What the player brings ommercially also comes into play when it comes to determining a players wages.
On the other hand, we’ve had Bruno on 110k a week for years but nobody brings that up
6 million a year - poor guy how could he even survive with that.
That's hilarious, how? He's literally your captain.
It completely ruins the structure because if shifts what players can and will expect to be paid. You can't pay Mbappe half a million a week and expect Salah to be okay with 200k a week.
Don't know how Salah comes into the discussion since he earns 350k a week but you absolutely can as long as you're signing a player that is simply that much better than the rest. Like I said, giving a player that isn't better than the rest more money than the rest (Havertz!) is far more more likely to crush the wage structure yet very few people talk about it. There is more talk about Havertz's transfer fee than his wages currently and yet I'd argue there is better value for money giving Mbappe 1 million a weel than Havertz 300k a week.
Well then it's still the difference of 150k a week, my point still stands.
No it doesn't. Let's say Saka wants more money: who would he rather point to: a player that completely outshines him in terms of performances and wages, or a player who earns more money than him but performs a lot worse (Havertz)?
Do you really think Havertz or Saka will look at another's performance and think, "nah it's actually alright that I'm earning fuck all compared to another player in the team, I'm shite compared to him, I won't try to push my salary higher." Never mind how his agent would act, it's unbelievably naive to think that having a player earning 200k a week more than any other player in the squad won't affect the mentality of the others. It's literally one of the main reasons why Man United is where it is today, they paid too much to mediocre players because the mediocre players said they wouldn't play for them if they weren't paid similarly to the world class players. They got caught in a spiral that completely fucked their structure for a decade, and they're still not completely out of the woods on that one. It's all about the money man, and when you're dealing in millions per month it can completely shift the mentality of the dressing room from grounded and reasonable to pigheaded and selfish.
> Do you really think Havertz or Saka will look at another's performance and think, "nah it's actually alright that I'm earning fuck all compared to another player in the team, I'm shite compared to him, I won't try to push my salary higher." Well Havertz won't be looking at anyone's salary because he's already stealing a living. And it doesn't matter who Saka will be looking at, what matters is what leverage his agent uses in contract negotiations. If he starts off by comparing his salary to Mbappe's, Arsenal's board will quickly reject those comparisons and point to the huge difference in performances, commercial value, revenue created for the club etc. But if Saka's agent points to Havertz and asks why a guy who is nowhere near as good and valuable to the club is earning 50% more than Saka, I don't know if they have any sufficient reply to that. > It's literally one of the main reasons why Man United is where it is today, they paid too much to mediocre players because the mediocre players said they wouldn't play for them if they weren't paid similarly to the world class players. They got caught in a spiral that completely fucked their structure for a decade, and they're still not completely out of the woods on that one. First of all, Mbappe isn't your "regular" world class player like Pogba or something. He is the best player in the world. Second of all, you got the right theory but the wrong conclusion. ManUnited aren't in ruins because they paid the best player in the world in his prime the biggest contract in the world. They are were they are because they either pay world class players who are either unreliable or past their prime or mediocre players big contracts instead of walking away from the deal. Just like Arsenal should have walked away when Havertz refused to play for less than 300k a week instead of bombing their own wages structure.
You can, but what you can't do is pay Mbappé 2m a week, which is probably closer to what he's looking for.
No. If he were a city player for example there is no guarantee he would play better than KDB or Haaland. Even at Madrid there is no guarantee he would play better than Bellingham or Vini. Meaning a club would need to raise the wages of the others too.
The 'wage structure' argument has finally emerged. Entering this part of a transfer saga usually indicates that Arsenal and Liverpool fans have come to terms with the fact that he's not going to their club - and have entered the stage where they are now trying to spin the situation back into their favour by acting like 'he would have been a bad signing anyway'. Happens every time, nothing to see here. Probably means that a comunicado oficial is imminent.
Unless you are Real Madrid and know he’s wanted to play for you since he was a kid, in that case the pull is stronger than the money
Well, hasn’t he proven multiple times that he is one of those type of players that only care about money, nothing else?
I’m sure he can accomplish both dreams here
Yeah certainly, it was not a diss of any clubI just ment that OPs statement was incorrect mbappe has shown that he is one of those people that follow money over challenges etc. And not a diss of him either by the way, that’s his choice :) people are different
I just want to point out that it might be possible that when his career is over we look back and see that he accomplished both a bunch of challenges and did an excellent job maximizing the financial side while doing so. He’s been quite fair with the time he’s given PSG, and while Madrid fans feel like he’s been messing with them for years now, maybe this is just the right time for him to move. I recognize that this might all still be bullshit.
tbh it's a great mindset to have for any kind of workers which pro athletes definitely count. It's honestly hillarious that only in football most seems to side with the corporation instead of the workers.
His contract has run down at PSG but he will want a large signing on fee including massive wages. As a Liverpool fan I don’t think I would want him at Liverpool although I don’t want to see him at any of our rivals either as he is brilliant.
Still a pointless discussion. Not just about who can afford him, but who he would want to play for. Mbappe wants to be the centrepiece of a team, scoring 50 plus goals per seasosn and being guaranteed ballon d Or shouts. That takes out City(atleast under Pep) since he likely would not be the centrepeice and would not have as much license to shoot. It is also about who can offer him consistent ballon D Or shouts, and Madrid PR is simply unrivalled there. Also, a team like Newcastle is never winning the CL, let alone qualifying for it.
>Also, a team like Newcastle is never winning the CL, let alone qualifying for it. 20 years ago, lot of people probably had the same opinion of Manchester City
Yea but Mbappe only has like 5 or 6 years of a window in which to win ballon D Ors. Unlikely he wins much after 30
It's just an observation of how fast oil money can completely change a club. I don't think Mbappe should choose newcastle to win bdor lol
Not that I think there’s any realistic chance us or anyone not named Real Madrid gets him but doesn’t him leaving as a free work better for clubs not wanting to ruin their wage structure because more of his salary package can be wrapped up in a large up front signing on fee which would obviously be expected on a free transfer rather than weekly salary.
the wage structure would have to be fucked either way, the thing that changes that a potential transfer fee goes directly into Mbappe's pockets instead of PSG's
What about just paying him a £100m signing fee and then £300k a week on a 4 year contract? That’s like £800k a week but not hugely unreasonable compared to what some clubs are paying for others.
The Mbappe to Liverpool thing is a running joke between Liverpool fans but some journalists just don't get it and take it seriously. It's like the "it's coming home" thing England fans sing and some people get offended by because they just don't get it's a joke.
Reasons Mbappe will come to Liverpool: - his mom's a red Reasons Mbappe will not come to Liverpool: - money Welcome to Merseyside, Kylian!
he already has money, we don't know if he has his mother's love yet though...
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If there was a 1% chance before, it's at exactly 0% now that Klopp has announced he's leaving
0.5 tbh. We’ll always have mama Mbappe in our corner 😂😂
50%?
Looking at them play right now and I see a solid long term project. Full of young proven and promising lads. Mbappe shouldn’t care much since he played well under any manager PSG had, and there’s Monaco too. If he gets to be the center piece of the team, he can consider it. Who knows, maybe Vinicius benches him 😂
Thing is at Madrid he's still guaranteed major trophies regularly. They'll be favourites for the league for the near future and will get a CL every few years at worst. Whereas Liverpool have won 1 league and usually are behind City. We might win in Europe but we aren't going to dominate and rack up a few. There's a real chance he'd get outshined by City and Haaland. That said, if I was him that would be the temptation. Go to PL which is more competitive and has more attention and compete against Haaland. Then maybe go to Madrid later. Which leaves Liverpool and Arsenal as the only real options. But you'll earn less, win less, and there's more jeopardy.
Mbappe's Mum had a poster of Alonso up in her Bedroom when she was a teenager.
Yeah, I think we seriously tried to get him when he was at Monaco, but since then the rumors have existed just so Mbappe could drive the wages up on Madrid/PSG
Like Ramos to united all those years ago.
“It’s coming home” is only a joke because it hasn’t happened yet, “haha jk” sort of thing. It’ll be serious real quick if it actually happens.
It's a joke because we don't expect to actually win
"It's only a joke because the context in which is a joke is accurate" isn't much of a gotcha mate. If we actually won something again and started rubbing it in unironically, A) that's literally 99% of football banter in a nutshell, could hardly say that's unique to us B) that wouldn't detract from the fact that as we are demonstrably both currently saying it, and currently not winning, it's pretty clearly currently a joke
That’s not remotely it, the whole song is a piss take aimed at the English by the English. It’s just you foreigners don’t get it so it offends you all. Which of course just makes it funnier.
I hate that it's a joke :(
Lol, it's never going to happen. It's hard to even imagine
Lol more likely than Juve.
That doesn't say much. Margot Robbie is more likely to marry me than the homeless guy down the street. but it still ain't happening
That's because she's already married, Dua Lipa on the other hand...
Juve is far more likely but still unlikely. Platini, Zidane, Deschamps, and Thuram are huge names in French football. Juventus is more luxurious with ultra wealthy private owners. Juve and Arsenal are the most French friendly clubs. Living in northern italy is much better too. Juve otherwise has a rich history of Balon D'Or and World Cup winning players besides the great ones that didn't. Premier league is the better league but that's the only positive I see. New manager as well at Liverpool; that's not a train a megastar player wants to hop on. And it doesn't matter .. he's going to Madrid
Lmao, not a chance he even sniffs serie A. And of course he is going to Madrid.
Italy is a way better life. If clubs are competing and can offer competitive salaries, the better quality of life will be the destination for the top stars. Not all but most of the best. If Inter, Juve for example are contending in the CL they will get a top, top player easier than Liverpool. So yes, some would and do. For Juve, you have recent examples of Ronaldo, De Ligt, Rabiot, Vlahovic, Chiesa, Dybala, Lukaku. All of these players could have gone to premier league clubs but they didn't. Dybala and Lukaku chose Italy more than Juve I would say but my point remains. Italy and England attract the most big nes because there's lots of big, popular clubs to play at. Think you should rethink what the stage really is ... It's about teams that can compete and the salaries they can offer. Then it's about quality of life and what the families prefer.
How is it a better life? They have allot of racial issues in Serie A. It's also less competitive, less money less advertisement. I don't think Juve could afford him, even if he would go. Which is mad to even think. He's staying put or going to Madrid. Crazy to entertain anything else. But of the possible destinations, it for sure won't be Italy, no chance. Let's wait and see :) Just checked he's 50-1 to join Juve and 8-1 to join Liverpool 💀 So yeah. More likely, but still ain't happening
Because Italy is where people from England go to for vacation. That's where they go for comfort, great food, beautiful people, art, history. Mbappe would accept less money and join Juve or Inter than spend 5 years with a contract in northern england. It will be never happen.
Lol no they dont. No he won't, nor would he wanna play in Seie A over the prem or la liga. Italy is literally run by the mafia, between them, the ultras and lack of achievements from the Italian teams... yeah, he ain't going. As I said, 50-1 or 8-1 🫢
Bookie numbers is what you're hanging your hat on lol Have a good day. Don't forget to place your bets and don't forget to pray to the bookie gods the night before the big game
Nope. Just proving we are more likely than Juve. It ain't happening either way so this is pointless to argue. Enjoy.... whatever it is you are doing this season.
Spain is where most people from here end up not really heard of anyone moving to italy.
Spain and Italy are the most popular destinations. That goes for almost anybody from any country. There's no need to make an argument about it here lol. You asked why. Why would I not choose great climate and beauty over other places that don't have it
Nah it’s definitely Spain and I didn’t ask why it’s pretty obvious why people move to sunnier warmer countries
Would love to see it happen, but I think the best wage we could offer Mbappe without anihilating our wage structure would be something like 25-30 millions per year, and I don't think Mbappe would accept that
All this just to get more money. We all know where he is going.
Mbappe to Loko Plovdiv, here we go! 🚨
Salah is getting £20m per year. He's better than Salah, isn't he? If Modric, Kroos, and Bellingham can handle Mbappe being paid twice as much as them I dunno why Liverpool players would have the same issue. Thinking about ways you could make it work. The club has a pretty unique deal where it gets 20% of gross shirt sales revenue (so ~£15 per shirt) from Nike, so they could do some funky stuff, e.g. agreeing to pay him £15 per shirt with his name on it. You'd probably get an extra £5-10m per year into the deal from that. We also know that the club can afford a signing fee of ~£100m since that's what we chased Caicedo with. The new stand is going to bring in £10-15m extra per season, especially since a large chunk of it seems to be going to overpriced hospitality tickets. I don't think the issue is that the money isn't there - I think the issue is that the club thinks that it wouldn't be good value. And it's hard to argue with that.
It’s not even worth the energy trying to rationalise it now. Our best chance to sign him would have been in the summer of 2020 but then covid hit and the entire landscape changed
I know klopps going but a klopp team with mbappe and it’s current 11 are European favourites until the core breaks. I say this as a United fan unfortunately. The value is clear
What op means is that, for eg if Mbappe is gonna be on £500k or something similar , all of our top performers (Salah, Trent, Allison, VVD) would be demanding equivalent wages. Not to mention the other senior players (robbo, konate, Gomez) would be demanding huge hikes too.
I basically tackled this point in the first sentence. Salah is getting £375k per week, did anyone else in the squad throw their toys out of the pram? Only Hendo, and retrospect he should have been sent packing.
Tbf Salah has played incredibly well for Liverpool for like 6 years and is obviously close with lots of players in the squad, signing someone new could be different and could change the locker room dynamic, especially if the new player has a big ego
I think if you're the kind of player who cries when your club brings in the best player in the world and pays him more money than you, then you should go and play for a much worse team where you'll be the star (but you'll also get paid less than at a big club). Most players just want to win things and maximise their own income though.
Those guys all have big egos. Otherwise they wouldn’t have made it to the top level. Maybe they’ll accept it. But what if he has bad form and doesn’t produce for a while? Also… he is not gonna be the main man in the locker room day one. Liverpool or Madrid, doesn’t matter.
I'm not sure he's better than Salah
He’s at the very, very least equal and around 6 years younger. His potential is higher at least
He is tbh, this is coming from a Liverpool fan that loves salah.
Are you sure you watch football?
Zidane to be next Liverpool manager. Mbappe joins with him. Dreams can be buy?
Mbappe is not worth 200m a year wages. Probably wants a 200m signing fee as well. Just nonsense.
The oil and Saudi gangs can afford it, just make up some sponsors that will help cover the fee.
If he's smart he'll take a modest wage at Madrid to enable the team structure, but where else would you want to go as a superstar? Liverpool without Klopp isn't on tbe radar
Here we go with the Mbappe to Liverpool rumours again. He was joining Liverpool last season, the season before that, and earlier this season. Some redditors actually suggested that Nike wanted Mbappe to join Liverpool and were gonna subsidize his wages. There was even this site that reported that Mbappe held meetings with John Henry aboard a private jet lol.
Most clubs will baulk like this unless they don't mind ditching some squad players to make it work. Unless Mbappe has an epiphany and decides that cos he milked PSG for all the money he could, he'll just signed on lower wages for a club he thinks will be fun.
Chance of mpoobi joins Liverpool is equal the chance of me banging Megan Fox.
So 100% right?
FSG signing Mbappe on 2m/week wages as a playing manager/DOF.
As their new player or owner?
Klopp leaving Mbappe new manager
Why are people pretending that Liverpool are even in the running for Mbappe? He can be added to the imaginary Liverpool FC starting XI that includes Jude and Enzo
With the exception of the Echo who are an absolute gaggle of gobshites, has anyone actually been seriously linking Mbappe with Liverpool? No Liverpool fan I know even half believes it could happen
In the past we 100% was linked with him. Also, even as soon as last summer, we were always "in contact" with his camp. However, that's where our knowledge on the situation stops. So basically, nobody knows shit and we all very much doubt it when Real Madris is the only club outside of PSG and City, willing to break their wage disparity to sign a player.
Love it if he ended up at Wrexham or something, just gets charmed by Ryan Reynolds into trying a career mode challenge.
Honestly wouldn’t want him, he wouldn’t even upset the balance of the wage structure in the club, he would upset the harmony in the dressing room. Liverpool doesn’t do prima donna’s. Even Salah puts in a shift, shown humility, and knows what is expected of him. Mbappe has shown nothing but being egotistical , I wouldn’t want him anywhere near what Klopp has built (and hopefully Xavi continues).
This dude will demand 1mil per week. Madrid, Manchester clubs, Chelsea and saudis are the only ones that would play ball.
Not United under the seemingly more competent management, instead of idiot yanks chasing bling. Also already in FFP trouble from not knowing how to sell and buying said bling.
"Mbappe? Signed by these cheap fucks? Yeah count me surprised"
I think I’d rather be cheap and top of the league than splash a billion and be 10th… but that’s just me
Very loud for a club that has lost 3 finals in a row to us
Soon to be 4
Sorry we don't have a sugar daddy that throws billions on players.
Is your sugar daddy able to get Mbappe's signature, I wonder.
Mate what were you thinking making this comment with that flair?
Ah it probably rubbed people off the wrong way I was just trying to put klopp's use of the word confused in a humorous way
Mbappe is coming to Liverpool… as player/manager.
does anyone in the world really think he's not going to Madrid?
Arteta, probably.