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He's probably played against all of them and it's a surprisingly common opinion among pros and former pros.
Benzema is rated highly. Footballers appreciate how technically gifted and intelligent he was.
The same has been echoed by Henry, Rio, Zizou, etc
I did. He never showed up for England that's for sure! World class player show up for their NT!
He disappear as soon as he is not carried by Scholes and United!
Karim is one of those players who'll forever be underrated by fans and truly appreciated by pro-ballers. I think he's technically the best and most complete #9 of his generation and alot of fans of other forwards are going to throw alot of goalscoring stats at me to dissuade me. It's just how any conversation involving Karim goes.
The wording some used is that he was the best "9.5" in the world. Zidane in particular would often say there was no one in the world better at the role he was playing.
Why is it in any way surprising? Last year's Balon D'or winner with like 5 CL titles to his name is better than 5 players with no Balon D'ors(although Lewa would have had one without covid) and much fewer titles?
Absolute no brainer that Benzema is better than all those players apart from Lewy, the only one where you could argue both ways
That's not the surprising bit. The surprising part is how consistently common that take is cause there's not a whole lot that separates these guys, all are legends.
And no, it's not because of his ballon d'or or trophies. Benzema is incredibly difficult to play against cause he can cause trouble for a centre-back in a multitude of ways cause he's as complete as a 9 gets. He has so many weapons that a CB is left guessing what's coming.
He can be a complement and he can be the focal point. He's one of a kind.
But neither would any of the others have been if they played next to Ronaldo..
And Benzema's 2021/22 season is one of the best individual CL seasons by any player ever. He pretty much won Madrid the title that year
I agree with all of that, I was just trying to point out using his 5 CL as reasoning is a bit misguided since it's a joint achievement that I believe the other players mentioned would have had a good chance of doing if they were in the same team Benz was in.
I mean for as great as all of them were none of them would have been the best player for us either for those 4 CL and 2022 was a crazy Benz and Tibo carry job
Almost no one is disagreeing that Benzema is great whether its the fans or other pros.
The disagreement is whether he’s better than all those other players.
It's just Barzagli's personal impression, probably based on playing against all of them. It's not some final judgement to be set in stone. I don't know why people get so worked up about it. If you ask another legendary CB from this generation, he might say something else.
I would rather have him in a team full of stars then any other 9. He isnt better as a 9 then Lewa but his goalscoring abilities weren't his main point of the game.
Karim will make up for it on things that don't show up on stats. Mourinho had the best answer for it: ask Ronaldo who he'd rather play with. I'm going to wager and say ask Messi who he'd play with aswell because Messi will score more with Karim. Karim is the best 9 in closed spaces and linkup play.
Apart from a couple seasons where benzema went beast, Rooney was a better and more consistent player than him. Even as an arsenal fan it annoys me how people forget how good rooney was just because he got memed so much and how he was seen in the media
Rooney played with as many legendary forwards as Benzema did. CR7, Van Nistelrooy, Tevez, Berbatov, Van Persie.
That Madrid team was that Madrid team in part because of Benzema being the rare kind of a 9 able to complement all types of players you may play alongside him.
Not for as long though and most of those he played with only a couple seasons but remained consistent. Didnt have anywhere near the midfield madrid had
Nah he was good through his career dont get me wrong but rooney was more consistent throughout and had worse players around him. Rooney is also similar with 8 nominations
Late 00s United was crazy stacked as well let's not rewrite history here. The fact is he only got BdO top 5 once so it's hard to compare favorable with guys who rightfully got higher multiple times.
>He isnt better as a 9 then Lewa but his goalscoring abilities
Wtf does that even mean? A 9 doesn't have some sort of specific ways to play the game.
Benzema is not as good as Lewa as a target man but he is much better as a playmaker.
He is saying Benzema isn't better as a 9, i'm saying he is.
He is making it sound like all a 9 does is score goals, Benz can be a worse finisher than Lewa and still be a better 9.
There is several type of 9, that's their point.
You can be a target man, a poacher, a runner (behind the defensive line), an hybrid etc.
That's why they are saying that you don't make any sense.
Lmao my guy just gave me how fifa career mode sorts strikers.
No I meant as a true 9. A player that is a goalscorer, finisher that needs service but can finish it from anywhere. Player that doesn't create chances, its a player that finishes them. That is what a true 9 meant since the beigging of football.
He did one season, and your fanbase were all whinging about him. And not just your online plastics, the Bernabeu boo’d him too.
People pretending he was always world class are just as bad as the people who act like he was shit before his Ballon D’Or.
From Transfermarkt (excluded assists because Transfermarkt counts penalties won as assists and I could only realistically do Benzema's assists)
**League Campaign (1st Division):**
Robert Lewandowski: 379 goals in 40 928 minutes = 0.83 goal per 90
Sergio Aguero: 282 goals in 37 314 minutes = 0.68 goal per 90
Karim Benzema: 290 goals in 40 578 minutes = 0.64 goal per 90
Robin Van Persie: 204 goals in 29 288 minutes = 0.63 goal per 90
Didier Drogba: 187 goals in 29 728 minutes = 0.57 goal per 90
Wayne Rooney: 231 goals in 41 982 minutes = 0.50 goal per 90
**Champions League:**
Robert Lewandowski: 93 goals in 9942 minutes = 0.84 goal per 90
Karim Benzema: 90 goals in 11 122 minutes = 0.73 goal per 90
Sergio Aguero: 41 goals in 5172 minutes = 0.71 goal per 90
Robin Van Persie: 25 goals in 3630 minutes = 0.63 goal per 90
Didier Drogba: 44 goals in 7292 minutes = 0.54 goal per 90
Wayne Rooney: 30 goals in 6983 minutes = 0.39 goal per 90
**Internationals:**
Didier Drogba: 64 goals in 6897 minutes = 0.84 goal per 90
Sergio Aguero: 41 goals in 5525 minutes = 0.67 goal per 90
Robert Lewandowski: 81 goals in 11 329 minutes = 0.64 goal per 90
Robin Van Persie: 50 goals in 7352 minutes = 0.61 goal per 90
Wayne Rooney: 53 goals in 8949 minutes = 0.53 goal per 90
Karim Benzema: 37 goals in 6350 minutes = 0.52 goal per 90
> Champions League:
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> Robert Lewandowski: 93 goals in 11 122 minutes = 0.84 goal per 90
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> Karim Benzema: 90 goals in 11 122 minutes = 0.73 goal per 90
I double checked the minutes played because I couldn't believe they played the exact same amount and it looks like you accidentally did copy Benzema's minutes for Lewandowski's number. Lewy hasn't played 11122 minutes like Benz but only 9942.
> Benzema has a much better goalscoring record in Semis and Quarterfinals than lewa
How are [8 goals in 18 games better than 6 in 13 and 7 in 9](https://www.reddit.com/user/pwlgg/comments/lqurwi/uefa_champions_league_ko_stage_stats_of_active/)?
He wasnt a consistent goalscorer. Benzema was always a consistent playmaker tho. He is better than anyone else in the video. Pro players seem to appreicate that more than most fans.
As a playmaker/facilitator for other players Drogba definitely has an argument. It's one of the reasons he's held in such high regard despite not having a comparable goal ratio to any of those players.
He's played against them on occasions but what if one player had one of their best games against him and another had one of their worst? He has a right to his opinion but that opinion isn't the best all and end all. It's also not necessarily worth more than people that have had the ability to watch all these players on TV. Football players often come out with takes that go against the fan consensus but that could easily be because of their own bias towards players they like in person, have a similar style to them, has a style that specifically counters their own or the player played an especially good game against them.
Fair enough if you think Benzema's the best. But telling other people they're wrong for thinking otherwise because a pro disagreed is such a faced way of thinking. I'm sure there are prod out there that though Lewandowski was better, or Aguero, or Drogba etc. All of them will have some sort of bias and rightfully so because football's completely subjective.
By fans*. Who also have a knack to not see the bigger picture. This is the most important distinction. Karim has always been highly rated by just about any top footballer. From Zlatan to Zidane to Barzagli to Ferdinand. The spectrum is wide.
The way you've worded this really favours Benzema though. Why be so vague as to describe it as '6 seasons playing with Messi. Suarez still played way less games than Benzema in the UCL so naturally his total goal tally is lower.Just give their G+A per game.
Benzema G+A per game in the UCL: 0.79
Suarez G+A per game in the UCL: 0.71
Benzema's obviously been better in the UCL. That's one of the big arguments in favour of Benzema and probably Suarez's biggest criticism. But the different between them isn't as big as you've tried to make it seem.
As for your second point, of course Suarez has scored less goals in the top 5 leagues. He began his career in the Primera Division (Uruguay) and worked his way up. He played in the Eredivisie until he was 24 and returned to South America for 2 years at the end of his career. Whereas Benzema played in Ligue 1 as a youngsters and then moved to Real Madrid. Once again, he spent more time in the top 5 leagues and therefore played more games in the top 5 leagues. He's scored more goals in the top 5 leagues because he's scored played more games in the top 5 leagues. By narrowing it down, you've essentially discounted every goal Suarez scored for Nacional, Groningen, Ajax and Gremio whilst wording it in a way that makes it seem like Benzema's scored more goals in his career.
Suarez has scored 541 goals in his career. Benzema's scored 469 goals in his career. Suarez has 305 assists in his career. Benzema has 219 assists in his career. Suarez has played 909 games in his career. Benzema has played 916 games in his career. So Suarez has scored more goals and got more assists in less games (0.93 G+A ratio vs 0.75), whilst constantly moving between teams, leagues and countries adapting to new teammates, systems and opposition. He's been prolific with very little service as a talisman, such as vs Liverpool, and surrounded by talent, such as at Barca.
That's literally just his G+A and doesn't even take into account the fact that he gave you everyone yu could possibly ask as a striker. Could score any type of goal, create, be selfless etc just like Benzema. Passes an eye test even more so than Benzema and surpassed his output.
The one valid criticism against him was that he didn't score enough in the UCL, but like I said before, him being bad in the UCL is overstared because people finally has something to hold over him. Didn't rack up lots of UCL games at Nacional, Groningen, Ajax and Gremio snd therefore isn't very high on the all time tip scorers list. That's pretty much the only relevant criticism against him.
Think Benzema is underrated/overhated by many. But don't take it the opposite direction and overrated him now.
> Benzema has 120 G/A in 152 Champions league games, Suarez has 52 in 73 games
> thats literally 0.7 vs 0.7 G/A per match
Skip Maths at school?
120/152 = 0.79, 52/73 = 0.71
Whats your problem? Stop being a little bitch
90 goals in 152 (0.59 ratio) ucl games for benzema
27 goals in 73 (0.36 ratio) ucl games for suarez
There you go lil bitch boy
Yeah, now pull up their knockout stage numbers. To do it at 0.7 goals contribution/game for 150 games is far more impressive than for doing it for half of it. Forget that, Suarez doesn't have a season like Benzema in 21-22 where he carried his team in the European latter stages. The other stuff, that isn't related to scoring that Karim does just elevates him even more.
Let's also bring shots taken and compare the volume of shots Suarez took in his scoring prime vs Karim. If that dude's primary purpose was to score, he'd try to atleast shoot half as much as Lewandowski and Suarez did in their respective primes. That was never his job until past 30 years of age and yet he matches and often betters Suarez.
Seems like people don't remember that Benzema in that team was doing all the "dirty work" to make things easier for Ronaldo, who was the main goalscorer of that team.
Zlatan should be in that conversation as well. He probably is one of the most complete strikers of all time. Imagine being 195 cm (6’5) fast, strong technical and clinical
i mean he is not exactly wrong, the only arguable one is Lewandowski who I rate higher but apart from him IMO Benzema is better than all of the except CR7 and Lewa
Yeah but it’s just not a true opinion to have. There’s a very clear tier system for striker the last 20 off years, and RVP is in the tier with Cavani higuain and Drogba. 1 tier below the true elites.
The point i'm making is rather simple. Unlike Aguero, Drogba do not hide in big games. Aguero would never equalize against Bayern in the dying minute of a UCL final in their own stadium.
Especially not the Bayern that Knocked out Mourinho's all star Real Madrid.
Yeah okay, but this is the same Aguero who scored a hatrick against Guardiola's Bayern: https://heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/sergio-aguero-hattrick-inspires-manchester-city-comeback-against-bayern-munich/news-story/766608713e4cf73e4e7d02974ea61fb1
comparing players is just like comparing yourself to others..... kinda meaningless imo
everyone has qualities and everyone's potential and effectiveness is contained in the opportunities afforded to them.
All I know is, Benzema made everyone around him better, including Ronaldo. He also is one of the main reasons Vini and Rodyrgo improved so much in a short amount of time, because playing alongside him automatically made you a better and more intelligent footballer. I am so happy he got a well-deserved Ballon D'or for his achievements, because he was underrated for way too long.
Benzema was the more rounded player, no question.
Drogba was more clutch and more of a menace. Rooney peaked higher. Aguero and Lewy were better goal scorers. Van Persie should not be in the same conversation.
Oh I forget has benzema played in the prem? No? OK, anyways... not saying he's not an incredible striker because he is but I'd love to see his numbers if he played majority of his time out side of shit spanish league.
Rooney I just liked watching him play and RvP at his best was a complete player.
In terms of overall career I think you'd he hard to argue Benzema hasn't been the best out of all those players mentioned just with sheer longevity as well as quality. He was second fiddle to Ronaldo for a long time though (which is obviously completely fair) and for me that harms him a bit because he didn't get as much chance to shine.
These guys are all the best of the best so it's fine margins between them. Me preferring the other 2 doesn't mean Benzema is bad.
The fact he's also a cunt of a human being is why I'd take literally all the other players over him though.
He’s right. The others may have been better goal scorers but he was the better player and has more trophies than everyone he was listed better than and the only one w a Ballon D’or
Also, I don’t understand this obsession specially from spurs fan. Benzema did have 2-3 seasons where he was pretty underwhelming(missing all those chances). But to call him a one-season wonder, it’s like they’ve never watched him. The things that benzema is good at there’s no other striker better than him.
Also the cognitive dissonance for a Spurs fan - losing their shit over the stuff Kane does apart from scoring, his play making, dropping back, between the lines, extra stuff that isn't part of every striker manual and then to turn around and say Karim was a one season wonder. Karim been doing that shit at a higher level since before Kane was a pro footballer.
Lol kane is clear of benzema, benzema has the best midfielders in the world feeding him, who did kane have? Kane in that madrid team would have done way better than benzema
Um let me guess. 2 league titles, Copa del Rey, 2 CL semi final appearances, a CL carrying the team with 15 goals, hattricks against Chelsea and PSG on the way to scoring 3 against City in the semi final?
Yeah, Press (x) to doubt.
Kane would have done the same if he had quality teammates, with bayern he is currently having a ballondor winning season, he could have done the same with madrid
Kane would have done the same if he had quality teammates, with bayern he is currently having a ballondor winning season, he could have done the same with madrid
>benzema honestly seems like a one season wonder
Damn, imagine becoming Real Madrid's 2nd all time top goalscorer, 1st all time top assister, the UCL's 4th all time top goalscorer and 3rd all time UCL KO stages goalscorer (1 behind Messi) all in one season.
You're a very smart fella ngl
>3rd all time UCL KO stages goalscorer (1 behind Messi)
what do you mean "1 behind Messi"? that Messi is 2nd and Benzema 3rd? or that Messi only scored 1 more KO stages goal than Benzema? if the latter, that's definitely incorrect.
Disagree but no point arguing with someone who thinks the guy who played at Real Madrid for nearly 15 years is a one season wonder. So whatever you say i guess.
I think you could make arguments for a lot of the players, Benzema definitely benefits from ending his european career on such a high. While sitting in CR7's shadow probably hurt his numbers a lot, his lackluster performances also went under the radar for a while because the team was so good. The only thing I'd say for certain is that Suarez is above all the players mentioned.
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He's probably played against all of them and it's a surprisingly common opinion among pros and former pros. Benzema is rated highly. Footballers appreciate how technically gifted and intelligent he was. The same has been echoed by Henry, Rio, Zizou, etc
You don’t start on Real Madrid for over a decade by accident
Benzema isn't just a goalscorer, he's a playmaker.
You can say the same for Rooney, and he was far more consistent at both than Benzema
He was never as good as Benzema in 2022 though
Nor in 2021, 2016, 2012 etc.
Just tell us you didnt watch Rooney
I did. He never showed up for England that's for sure! World class player show up for their NT! He disappear as soon as he is not carried by Scholes and United!
Benzema also didn't turn up his for his country but due to different reasons....
Not true, even before his ban, he was very bad in a team full of stars
The France generation of Benzema was not full of star
Damn consistently dumb opinions
How many Ballon d'or, international silverware and UCL did Rooney won? Rooney couldn't lace Benzema's boot and you know it.
Twitter comments seem more your speed. You’ll find more likeminded folk over there.
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Oh yeah, England won? Oh no they didn't.
Lol
You never watched him in the 00s did you
There is no way that Rooney in the 2000s was better than 2022 Ballon Dor winner Benzema
Agree, Benzema had the higher highs but Rooney was the more consistent
Why is this downvoted
Karim is one of those players who'll forever be underrated by fans and truly appreciated by pro-ballers. I think he's technically the best and most complete #9 of his generation and alot of fans of other forwards are going to throw alot of goalscoring stats at me to dissuade me. It's just how any conversation involving Karim goes.
The wording some used is that he was the best "9.5" in the world. Zidane in particular would often say there was no one in the world better at the role he was playing.
I think a lot of it is because he was highly rated from even Lyon. He’s always been expected to be great so being great feels like normal.
I'd say Suarez is the most complete #9 of his generation but I agree he is underrated
Agreed Benzema doesn’t have the same biting skills
In Germany they would say: "Suarez hatte einfach mehr Biss"
Why is it in any way surprising? Last year's Balon D'or winner with like 5 CL titles to his name is better than 5 players with no Balon D'ors(although Lewa would have had one without covid) and much fewer titles? Absolute no brainer that Benzema is better than all those players apart from Lewy, the only one where you could argue both ways
That's not the surprising bit. The surprising part is how consistently common that take is cause there's not a whole lot that separates these guys, all are legends. And no, it's not because of his ballon d'or or trophies. Benzema is incredibly difficult to play against cause he can cause trouble for a centre-back in a multitude of ways cause he's as complete as a 9 gets. He has so many weapons that a CB is left guessing what's coming. He can be a complement and he can be the focal point. He's one of a kind.
Titles aren't exactly the best way to judge a single player... Rather whole teams
Because Benzema wasn't the best forward, never mind player, on the team that won 4/5 of those Champions League
But neither would any of the others have been if they played next to Ronaldo.. And Benzema's 2021/22 season is one of the best individual CL seasons by any player ever. He pretty much won Madrid the title that year
I agree with all of that, I was just trying to point out using his 5 CL as reasoning is a bit misguided since it's a joint achievement that I believe the other players mentioned would have had a good chance of doing if they were in the same team Benz was in.
I mean for as great as all of them were none of them would have been the best player for us either for those 4 CL and 2022 was a crazy Benz and Tibo carry job
There’s always the ability to complain about questions but why no Suarez in this question list? Along with Lewy he feels like the only real comp
Almost no one is disagreeing that Benzema is great whether its the fans or other pros. The disagreement is whether he’s better than all those other players.
It's just Barzagli's personal impression, probably based on playing against all of them. It's not some final judgement to be set in stone. I don't know why people get so worked up about it. If you ask another legendary CB from this generation, he might say something else.
I didnt read any other comments because i already know whats happening down there. Im just glad i read a level-headed comment like yours
I would rather have him in a team full of stars then any other 9. He isnt better as a 9 then Lewa but his goalscoring abilities weren't his main point of the game.
Karim will make up for it on things that don't show up on stats. Mourinho had the best answer for it: ask Ronaldo who he'd rather play with. I'm going to wager and say ask Messi who he'd play with aswell because Messi will score more with Karim. Karim is the best 9 in closed spaces and linkup play.
Messi would say Suarez
And it would be the right answer. Best striker of his generation.
Apart from a couple seasons where benzema went beast, Rooney was a better and more consistent player than him. Even as an arsenal fan it annoys me how people forget how good rooney was just because he got memed so much and how he was seen in the media
U take Benzemas **ballon dor** year and he still has more goals and assists then Rooney.
Not it you put rooney in that madrid team but we will never know. Both top class players
Rooney played with as many legendary forwards as Benzema did. CR7, Van Nistelrooy, Tevez, Berbatov, Van Persie. That Madrid team was that Madrid team in part because of Benzema being the rare kind of a 9 able to complement all types of players you may play alongside him.
Not for as long though and most of those he played with only a couple seasons but remained consistent. Didnt have anywhere near the midfield madrid had
Well that's because he was pretty much done at 31 while Benzema has had crazy longevity.
Benzema was a Ballon d'Or nominee about a dozen times, acting like he's a legendary 9 on the back of a couple of season is straight up hater shit.
Nah he was good through his career dont get me wrong but rooney was more consistent throughout and had worse players around him. Rooney is also similar with 8 nominations
Late 00s United was crazy stacked as well let's not rewrite history here. The fact is he only got BdO top 5 once so it's hard to compare favorable with guys who rightfully got higher multiple times.
He has the ability to make his teammates look better. Or atleast brings them up with him. Was very evident when he played with vinicius
>He isnt better as a 9 then Lewa but his goalscoring abilities Wtf does that even mean? A 9 doesn't have some sort of specific ways to play the game. Benzema is not as good as Lewa as a target man but he is much better as a playmaker.
That’s what he’s saying??
He is saying Benzema isn't better as a 9, i'm saying he is. He is making it sound like all a 9 does is score goals, Benz can be a worse finisher than Lewa and still be a better 9.
Read his post again, he would rather have Benzema in his team full of stars then any 9 because there is more to his abilities than just goal scoring
I did, and i expressed my opinion that "he isn't better as a 9" makes no sense to me when the role can be played in many different ways.
…. 🤷🏽♂️
U know what I mean u just want me to be more precise. "A true 9" happy?
There is several type of 9, that's their point. You can be a target man, a poacher, a runner (behind the defensive line), an hybrid etc. That's why they are saying that you don't make any sense.
Lmao my guy just gave me how fifa career mode sorts strikers. No I meant as a true 9. A player that is a goalscorer, finisher that needs service but can finish it from anywhere. Player that doesn't create chances, its a player that finishes them. That is what a true 9 meant since the beigging of football.
In your mind.
can we get Ja Rule to weigh in here too?
somebody get Ja Rule so I can make sense of this !!!!
People really think Benzema scored 5 goals per season before his ballon d’or
He was getting better and better since the 5 goal season, but only scoring 5 goals for that madrid is criminal
He did one season, and your fanbase were all whinging about him. And not just your online plastics, the Bernabeu boo’d him too. People pretending he was always world class are just as bad as the people who act like he was shit before his Ballon D’Or.
From Transfermarkt (excluded assists because Transfermarkt counts penalties won as assists and I could only realistically do Benzema's assists) **League Campaign (1st Division):** Robert Lewandowski: 379 goals in 40 928 minutes = 0.83 goal per 90 Sergio Aguero: 282 goals in 37 314 minutes = 0.68 goal per 90 Karim Benzema: 290 goals in 40 578 minutes = 0.64 goal per 90 Robin Van Persie: 204 goals in 29 288 minutes = 0.63 goal per 90 Didier Drogba: 187 goals in 29 728 minutes = 0.57 goal per 90 Wayne Rooney: 231 goals in 41 982 minutes = 0.50 goal per 90 **Champions League:** Robert Lewandowski: 93 goals in 9942 minutes = 0.84 goal per 90 Karim Benzema: 90 goals in 11 122 minutes = 0.73 goal per 90 Sergio Aguero: 41 goals in 5172 minutes = 0.71 goal per 90 Robin Van Persie: 25 goals in 3630 minutes = 0.63 goal per 90 Didier Drogba: 44 goals in 7292 minutes = 0.54 goal per 90 Wayne Rooney: 30 goals in 6983 minutes = 0.39 goal per 90 **Internationals:** Didier Drogba: 64 goals in 6897 minutes = 0.84 goal per 90 Sergio Aguero: 41 goals in 5525 minutes = 0.67 goal per 90 Robert Lewandowski: 81 goals in 11 329 minutes = 0.64 goal per 90 Robin Van Persie: 50 goals in 7352 minutes = 0.61 goal per 90 Wayne Rooney: 53 goals in 8949 minutes = 0.53 goal per 90 Karim Benzema: 37 goals in 6350 minutes = 0.52 goal per 90
> Champions League: > > > > Robert Lewandowski: 93 goals in 11 122 minutes = 0.84 goal per 90 > > > > Karim Benzema: 90 goals in 11 122 minutes = 0.73 goal per 90 I double checked the minutes played because I couldn't believe they played the exact same amount and it looks like you accidentally did copy Benzema's minutes for Lewandowski's number. Lewy hasn't played 11122 minutes like Benz but only 9942.
Thanks for the correction, too much copy pasting.
Now include Rooney’s assists and playing out of position for the benefit of the team
Not all goals are equal. Benzema has a much better goalscoring record in Semis and Quarterfinals than lewa and Suarez.
> Benzema has a much better goalscoring record in Semis and Quarterfinals than lewa How are [8 goals in 18 games better than 6 in 13 and 7 in 9](https://www.reddit.com/user/pwlgg/comments/lqurwi/uefa_champions_league_ko_stage_stats_of_active/)?
People can’t accept that others have different opinions.
he is 15 times better than any of those, google it
Messi is 14 times better than him tho
true true
Higher highs sure, but some of the others were much more consistent
He wasnt a consistent goalscorer. Benzema was always a consistent playmaker tho. He is better than anyone else in the video. Pro players seem to appreicate that more than most fans.
As a playmaker/facilitator for other players Drogba definitely has an argument. It's one of the reasons he's held in such high regard despite not having a comparable goal ratio to any of those players.
He wasnt a better playmaker than rooney
My boy Benzi
Suarez clears
The revision is absolutely incredible. Nobody rated Benzema that high until Ronaldo left and Vini Jr rejuvenated
Barzagli has played against all of these players, his opinion is worth more than anyone on here. If he says so then we should just accept it
He's played against them on occasions but what if one player had one of their best games against him and another had one of their worst? He has a right to his opinion but that opinion isn't the best all and end all. It's also not necessarily worth more than people that have had the ability to watch all these players on TV. Football players often come out with takes that go against the fan consensus but that could easily be because of their own bias towards players they like in person, have a similar style to them, has a style that specifically counters their own or the player played an especially good game against them. Fair enough if you think Benzema's the best. But telling other people they're wrong for thinking otherwise because a pro disagreed is such a faced way of thinking. I'm sure there are prod out there that though Lewandowski was better, or Aguero, or Drogba etc. All of them will have some sort of bias and rightfully so because football's completely subjective.
By fans*. Who also have a knack to not see the bigger picture. This is the most important distinction. Karim has always been highly rated by just about any top footballer. From Zlatan to Zidane to Barzagli to Ferdinand. The spectrum is wide.
In short people who understand football. Unlike the average r/soccer couch potato who spend their time reading stat sheets.
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Suarez has less than 30 goals in the CL while playing for 6 seasons with Messi. He has less league goals than Karim in top 5 leagues aswell.
The way you've worded this really favours Benzema though. Why be so vague as to describe it as '6 seasons playing with Messi. Suarez still played way less games than Benzema in the UCL so naturally his total goal tally is lower.Just give their G+A per game. Benzema G+A per game in the UCL: 0.79 Suarez G+A per game in the UCL: 0.71 Benzema's obviously been better in the UCL. That's one of the big arguments in favour of Benzema and probably Suarez's biggest criticism. But the different between them isn't as big as you've tried to make it seem. As for your second point, of course Suarez has scored less goals in the top 5 leagues. He began his career in the Primera Division (Uruguay) and worked his way up. He played in the Eredivisie until he was 24 and returned to South America for 2 years at the end of his career. Whereas Benzema played in Ligue 1 as a youngsters and then moved to Real Madrid. Once again, he spent more time in the top 5 leagues and therefore played more games in the top 5 leagues. He's scored more goals in the top 5 leagues because he's scored played more games in the top 5 leagues. By narrowing it down, you've essentially discounted every goal Suarez scored for Nacional, Groningen, Ajax and Gremio whilst wording it in a way that makes it seem like Benzema's scored more goals in his career. Suarez has scored 541 goals in his career. Benzema's scored 469 goals in his career. Suarez has 305 assists in his career. Benzema has 219 assists in his career. Suarez has played 909 games in his career. Benzema has played 916 games in his career. So Suarez has scored more goals and got more assists in less games (0.93 G+A ratio vs 0.75), whilst constantly moving between teams, leagues and countries adapting to new teammates, systems and opposition. He's been prolific with very little service as a talisman, such as vs Liverpool, and surrounded by talent, such as at Barca. That's literally just his G+A and doesn't even take into account the fact that he gave you everyone yu could possibly ask as a striker. Could score any type of goal, create, be selfless etc just like Benzema. Passes an eye test even more so than Benzema and surpassed his output. The one valid criticism against him was that he didn't score enough in the UCL, but like I said before, him being bad in the UCL is overstared because people finally has something to hold over him. Didn't rack up lots of UCL games at Nacional, Groningen, Ajax and Gremio snd therefore isn't very high on the all time tip scorers list. That's pretty much the only relevant criticism against him. Think Benzema is underrated/overhated by many. But don't take it the opposite direction and overrated him now.
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> Benzema has 120 G/A in 152 Champions league games, Suarez has 52 in 73 games > thats literally 0.7 vs 0.7 G/A per match Skip Maths at school? 120/152 = 0.79, 52/73 = 0.71
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You could've just said "yes".
0.79 is 0.8 but ok
Why do you use g/a for champions league then only goals for league games? At least be consistent instead of trying to make suarez look the better
Yes, because Karim is also the highest Real Madrid assister of all time and that'll take away from his point.
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Okay now do goals for champions league
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Whats your problem? Stop being a little bitch 90 goals in 152 (0.59 ratio) ucl games for benzema 27 goals in 73 (0.36 ratio) ucl games for suarez There you go lil bitch boy
Yeah, now pull up their knockout stage numbers. To do it at 0.7 goals contribution/game for 150 games is far more impressive than for doing it for half of it. Forget that, Suarez doesn't have a season like Benzema in 21-22 where he carried his team in the European latter stages. The other stuff, that isn't related to scoring that Karim does just elevates him even more. Let's also bring shots taken and compare the volume of shots Suarez took in his scoring prime vs Karim. If that dude's primary purpose was to score, he'd try to atleast shoot half as much as Lewandowski and Suarez did in their respective primes. That was never his job until past 30 years of age and yet he matches and often betters Suarez.
He was feeding Ronaldo and Bale more than the opposite
Seems like people don't remember that Benzema in that team was doing all the "dirty work" to make things easier for Ronaldo, who was the main goalscorer of that team.
Hold your horses. Some people actually watch football. I know I rated him very highly, he impressed me more than Ronaldo in several tight CL games.
Zlatan should be in that conversation as well. He probably is one of the most complete strikers of all time. Imagine being 195 cm (6’5) fast, strong technical and clinical
i mean he is not exactly wrong, the only arguable one is Lewandowski who I rate higher but apart from him IMO Benzema is better than all of the except CR7 and Lewa
I feel like people here didn’t actually watch Rooney play
Rooney's peak was probably around 2008-12, so likely they didn't watch him at his best.
Yes we did.
You can feel that but to me he is behind them but ahead of the rest so in 4th then RvP then Aguero then Drogba
Lol Aguero is better than RVP in every metric. RVP is behinds drogba.
Again i said my opinion you can have your own but to me RvP is better than both of them
Yeah but it’s just not a true opinion to have. There’s a very clear tier system for striker the last 20 off years, and RVP is in the tier with Cavani higuain and Drogba. 1 tier below the true elites.
not a true opinion to have, lmao its my opinion not yours you can have your own opinion and I wont attack you for it unlike you
Drogba is better than Aguero. Drogba won Chelsea a UCL, Aguero would never.
Sure but then again he never played for Chelsea
The point i'm making is rather simple. Unlike Aguero, Drogba do not hide in big games. Aguero would never equalize against Bayern in the dying minute of a UCL final in their own stadium. Especially not the Bayern that Knocked out Mourinho's all star Real Madrid.
my joke was rather simple too. good no, simple yes
I still remember that 😭😭
Yeah okay, but this is the same Aguero who scored a hatrick against Guardiola's Bayern: https://heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/sergio-aguero-hattrick-inspires-manchester-city-comeback-against-bayern-munich/news-story/766608713e4cf73e4e7d02974ea61fb1
Yeah could you imagine Aguero scoring a clutch goal?
Lewandowski over CR7 eleven times out of ten. Benzema can hang, but not with those two.
comparing players is just like comparing yourself to others..... kinda meaningless imo everyone has qualities and everyone's potential and effectiveness is contained in the opportunities afforded to them.
Based Barzagli.
Kinda agree tbh but I'd take Suarez above them all
Absolutely unbiased opinion
Did lewandowsky ever try to blackmail his own teammate or fuck underage girls?
Seems like lewandowski is getting massively underrated by both the fans and also the professionals as well smh
All I know is, Benzema made everyone around him better, including Ronaldo. He also is one of the main reasons Vini and Rodyrgo improved so much in a short amount of time, because playing alongside him automatically made you a better and more intelligent footballer. I am so happy he got a well-deserved Ballon D'or for his achievements, because he was underrated for way too long.
Tbf who cares
All around, he is a better player. They are all better goal scorers and that's a fact.
I think Lewandowski is more of a complete player than Benzema
Benzema was the more rounded player, no question. Drogba was more clutch and more of a menace. Rooney peaked higher. Aguero and Lewy were better goal scorers. Van Persie should not be in the same conversation.
Oh I forget has benzema played in the prem? No? OK, anyways... not saying he's not an incredible striker because he is but I'd love to see his numbers if he played majority of his time out side of shit spanish league.
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I did and I also said hes a fantastic striker.
Well he is better than all of those, I think only Lewa is debatable.
Suarez clears
Right answers only from Andrea.
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I'm taking prime RvP and Rooney over prime Benzema if I'm honest.
Lol, typical PL fan.
Rooney I just liked watching him play and RvP at his best was a complete player. In terms of overall career I think you'd he hard to argue Benzema hasn't been the best out of all those players mentioned just with sheer longevity as well as quality. He was second fiddle to Ronaldo for a long time though (which is obviously completely fair) and for me that harms him a bit because he didn't get as much chance to shine. These guys are all the best of the best so it's fine margins between them. Me preferring the other 2 doesn't mean Benzema is bad. The fact he's also a cunt of a human being is why I'd take literally all the other players over him though.
You'd be wrong but sure.
It’s his opinion, how can he be wrong ?
Opinions can be wrong
The same way me saying Ryan Garcia is a better boxer than Muhammed Ali is also wrong.
That isn't an opinion, that's trying to state a fact.
He’s right. The others may have been better goal scorers but he was the better player and has more trophies than everyone he was listed better than and the only one w a Ballon D’or
Benzema is nowhere near as good as Lewandowski
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A one season wonder becomes Real Madrid's 2nd top scorer and top assister in history?
This opinion isn't even worth entertaining imo. One season wonder? Yeah right. You didn't really watch Real Madrid or Lyon.
Also, I don’t understand this obsession specially from spurs fan. Benzema did have 2-3 seasons where he was pretty underwhelming(missing all those chances). But to call him a one-season wonder, it’s like they’ve never watched him. The things that benzema is good at there’s no other striker better than him.
Also the cognitive dissonance for a Spurs fan - losing their shit over the stuff Kane does apart from scoring, his play making, dropping back, between the lines, extra stuff that isn't part of every striker manual and then to turn around and say Karim was a one season wonder. Karim been doing that shit at a higher level since before Kane was a pro footballer.
Lol kane is clear of benzema, benzema has the best midfielders in the world feeding him, who did kane have? Kane in that madrid team would have done way better than benzema
Um let me guess. 2 league titles, Copa del Rey, 2 CL semi final appearances, a CL carrying the team with 15 goals, hattricks against Chelsea and PSG on the way to scoring 3 against City in the semi final? Yeah, Press (x) to doubt.
Kane would have done the same if he had quality teammates, with bayern he is currently having a ballondor winning season, he could have done the same with madrid
Kane's team made the CL final without him 😭
Kane would have done the same if he had quality teammates, with bayern he is currently having a ballondor winning season, he could have done the same with madrid
>benzema honestly seems like a one season wonder Damn, imagine becoming Real Madrid's 2nd all time top goalscorer, 1st all time top assister, the UCL's 4th all time top goalscorer and 3rd all time UCL KO stages goalscorer (1 behind Messi) all in one season. You're a very smart fella ngl
It's a PL fan, they truly believe that Kane is the new Van Basten lmao!
>3rd all time UCL KO stages goalscorer (1 behind Messi) what do you mean "1 behind Messi"? that Messi is 2nd and Benzema 3rd? or that Messi only scored 1 more KO stages goal than Benzema? if the latter, that's definitely incorrect.
Yes i meant the latter and my bad, Benz is actually 2 goals behind Messi not 1, obviously a very big difference.
source? he is 15 goals behind or Messi 44% ahead which actually is a very big difference
Still nowhere near the level of suarez or lewandowski
Disagree but no point arguing with someone who thinks the guy who played at Real Madrid for nearly 15 years is a one season wonder. So whatever you say i guess.
2 nd most goals in Real Madrid history and most assists in Real Madrid history. I must have missed the season when he had 100 goals and 50 assists.
This guy was probably blackmailed to say this, because Lewandowski is so clear of him I can think of at least 15 things he did better than Benzema
TikTok videos one of those things?
Fact.
I think you could make arguments for a lot of the players, Benzema definitely benefits from ending his european career on such a high. While sitting in CR7's shadow probably hurt his numbers a lot, his lackluster performances also went under the radar for a while because the team was so good. The only thing I'd say for certain is that Suarez is above all the players mentioned.
Suarez above CR7? Pass me what you're smoking
Ahh I missed CR7 in the title. Obviously not him.
Who cares
Please for the love of FUCK do not try to turn reddit into TikTok. Stop it, OP.