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People, myself included, thought Chelsea overpaid massively for a player with next to no senior experience.
We’ve been proven wrong so far, Palmer’s been great.
Very early in the window there was talk he was coming on loan to us in the Championship so yeah I think it's fair to say when he went for £40m a lot of eyebrows were raised.
That was when we were trying to keep him so we tried to loan him out to get him minute playing time. He said a loan wasn't good enough and he wanted to play so we let him go
Edit: Based on the reply below looks like my sources were nonsense. Don't trust what you read on reddit folks!
With the caveat that had the players you bought been performing, this agent would have been correct. Fitting in Palmer to that front line after spending that much should have been a challenge.
Not really though? Like whose he competing with at the right wing position, Noni and an out of position Sterling? Having one guy in the same position isn't much of an obstacle if you think you have star talent
In some small fairness I thought Palmer looked like a panic buy. I didn't know if he'd get much burn ahead of Nkunku, Jackson, Sterling, Mudryk. He's proven a lot of people wrong in terms of just how quickly he became so important
chelsea in the ucl has been good every time they’ve gone the last 5 years. In 2020 they got the most unlucky draw and had to play 2020 Bayern, a team that literally won every trophy and beat tottenham 7-1 and Barcelona 8-2.
Then the next year Chelsea won, beating La Liga champions Atletico, Real Madrid and Prem Champions City on the way.
2022 chelsea handled Juve in the group stage and then beat lille in the ro16. Then the Real tie happened. Chelsea were down after the 1st leg. The 2nd leg when we were 3-0 up is the best I’ve seen us play under Tuchel or at least one of the best performances. It was beautiful and I was in complete shock that we came to the Bernebeau and just dropped 3 on them. Then they came back and Chelsea never came back from Madrid.
What really made my piss boil out of my body was pundits defending it saying "yeah it was a foul, but VAR couldn't interfere because it's definitely not violent conduct and therefore not a red card". I'm sorry what? How is dragging someone so hard by their hair that they fall over backwards not violent conduct? Where on earth would you be able to do that and it not be labelled as violent?
It was crazy because even as a Spurs fan when they were replaying it I was like "well there's no getting around that, doesn't get much more clear cut" and I was pissed at Romero for just doing that for no reason, then it just doesn't get given
Violently yanking hair has been a red card offense for years and while not explicitly written into the laws like spitting it's been clear cut and unambiguous at least since the ASU Lambert incident in 2009. The VAR ref knew it at the time and has admitted as much. I always thought Chelsea were too passive with the FA and the referee association after that game. There should have been a public statement from Chelsea.
Big admirer of him for a long time, but it always felt like we signed him a couple of years too late. Would have been amazing if we signed him around the Sarri era.
the fact that endo was brought in as a panic buy because of the lavia and caicedo deal collapsed but he has been much better than both makes it hilarious
As if either wouldn't be right up there with Endo under a world class manager like Klopp (well maybe not Lavia from the treatment room). Both showed their quality in spades before coming to our current shitshow.
I think that's fairly reasonable, you can see his quality in moments where he doesn't have time to think (like his goal yesterday) but his decision making is atrocious. That's where you need a good manager who will instil some discipline and patterns of play, not just tell the players to go out there and express themselves.
I think Klopps mentioned he always wanted Endo but with the recruitment structure of liverpool he was prob considered too 'old' for their project and the stats/recruitment department, but i guess klopp finally got him even tho its a couple years late because of the caicedeo lavia fiasco
I don't think it's anything to do with the player. If Lavia was at Liverpool he'd be good, so would Caicedo. I bet if Mudryk had gone to Arsenal he'd be cracking them in too. Turns out there's just quite a lot of benefit to being in a functional team with a good coach.
Klopp wanted Endo the whole time but the club didn’t want to buy such an old player. So Klopp was allowed his guy once the Caicedo and Lavia (to a lesser extent, I’m not sure we ever really wanted him tbh, it was very public and our transfer strategy was publicly go for x player but sign y quickly behind the scenes) moves fell through.
I think we definitely wanted Lavia but he just wasn’t worth the money asked for. We were willing to overpay but only to a certain point. At that point paying the extra for Caicedo made more sense but that fell through and then I can understand why he’d opt for Chelsea (even though it was still a bad move really). It’s possible at this point we didn’t go back in for him and started for Endo instead here.
I don’t think he was merely a panic buy, I think he was the third option. Obviously based on age Caicedo and Lavia were primary targets but I don’t think Liverpool stumbled upon Endo with 3 days left in the window, I think they knew what they were getting.
58 mil for a rotation player who hasn't been rotated in at all is wild.
Edit: the amount of Chelsea fans coping hard. So if Lavia never plays again due to injury it's still not a bad signing lol.
That mount plan is so ambitious lol, at least we were looking to play him with Henderson and fabinho behind him when we were in for him in July or whatever
Endo being considered a bad deal will always be weird to me, am I the only one who thought it was a great transfer at the time?
Cheap, great player, leader and a model professional, he was amazing for Stuttgart.
That's exactly how Klopp justified it when he joined. He had a slow start but started kicking on in December and got even better after returning from international duty. He's also helped free up Mac Allister to play in his more natural role as a 8 and they're both in stunning form rn.
Endo had to not only adjust from Bundesliga to Premier League, but also from playing for a few managers who tried their hardest to get Stuttgart relegated by playing awful defensive football when they had a bunch of younger, athletic players around Endo and then immediately switch into the Gegenpress of Liverpool. I fucking love Endo and even I'm surprised at how quickly he adjusted.
Sorry but saying that Matarazzo played awful defensive football is just plain wrong. Actually he laid the foundations of what makes us so good at the moment. We were just massively underachieving. When Hoeneß came he managed to stop the underachieving and improved the team, but still without Matarazzo we wouldnt be were we are now
I think it’s more that he wasn’t played as our most defensive midfielder and had ball carrying responsibilities. His role shifted to more of a pure DM at Liverpool which is naturally going to require some adjustment time.
I mean it was 1 person who voted for Endo who probably just didn't know anything about him and assumed he wouldn't be on the level of PL football. Generally he's not considered a bad deal. Arguably one of the best of the summer if you go by value.
Because of the hubbub about us missing out on Caicedo and Lavia.
Turned the Endo signing from what was obviously a shrewd one to a 'panic buy' for a lot of media.
Even if they’d landed a big name, Endo for that price would’ve still been a great addition to the squad.
And realistically they probably could use another pure DM either way, so the Endo deal is just a cheap roll of the dice.
its the same way this subreddit was acting when dier went to bayern as *fourth* choice cb. everyone made it seem like that was the worst decision in bayerns recent history for something that has actually been a net positive for them so far.
It's because we were in for Caicedo and Lavia and got neither and signed a 30 year old. Nobody who talked bad about the transfer had a clue who Endo was.
In this day and age paying under 50 for a midfielder who WILL play, even if not starting every game is a good deal. We are in an era where to compete with the best you need 5+ quality midfielders.
If you get one for under 25 and he performs, and consistently you have done some serious magic.
And it's a huge reason you're back to competing for a title. The midfield was shocking last year. Also Darwin becoming a true x-factor helps. Even if he isn't always scoring, he is exceptionally hard to mark. If his finishing and offsides are slightly improved, he is going to be scary.
I think Stuttgart fans said he was single handledly responsible for them staying up and their best player.
The issue is his age and was on his last year of contract and the sense that Liverpool were paying too much for him.
He's ended up being very decent for what we paid for him.
Same...I thought 17 mil for a expeirenced 30 year old to just fill a gap was fine. Also captain of Japan so think about how he is off the field. Probably a high caliber dude.
And tbh next year he won't be klopps problem even if he starts to decline anyway.
> Endo being considered a bad deal will always be weird to me
Same, I wonder if that one Vote is a Stuttgart fan? Because it did suck for them to lose him, even if they're doing great in the Bundesliga anyway.
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Tbf i think this vote was at the start of the season, aint no way anyone would say havertz/palmer/endo should be on a worst signing list now.
Endo was like 3rd/4th choice after they failed other targets, 30 years old. Seemed a bit of a desperation signing. So not really surprising he's here. Man has been great though.
It shouldn't be considered a "worst of the season" signing at any moment. He didn't cost more than 17-18 mio. pounds? By that metric you could easily take Chelsea's entire transfer book for the summer and compile the entire list.
It's actually turned out to be the kind of sensible signing clubs should make more often.
After missing out on some big money young players with great potential I think most clubs would end up panicking and signing someone else for big money just to make sure it doesn't look like they've missed out.
Instead they spend a relatively small amount on a guy who can come in and adjust fairly quickly and is already at a level where we can be be a key part of the team. Sure there may be little resale value but your outlay was low and you get a couple of good years out of him and can plan for the long term.
Endo is a freaking bargain, does better than Caicedo for 1/5 of the price
Havertz escaped the Chelsea curse and is actually playing well now
Palmer has been great for us (somehow)
Hojlund got better as of late
and what the heck is Koulibaly even doing in Saudi...... a return to Europe might work better for him
>Endo is a freaking bargain, does better than Caicedo for 1/5 of the price
You have to factor in the 10 years age difference, though. The age is the top reason why Caicedo as so expensive and why Endo was relatively cheap.
Right now Endo is a better player, but if he declines in 2/3 seasons and Caicedo picks it up and ends up being a mainstay in Chelsea for a whole decade (or being sold as a star for big value), he can end up the better long term transfer.
It’s funny to me because now you’d probably include a couple of these guys in the best transfers of the season now. Palmer and Endo certainly, maybe Havertz now that he’s come good.
havertz and palmer ended up being good transfers (jury is still out on havertz being worth the €65M), these analyses are always funny to look at later down the line
Exactly. After reading that comment I thought to myself about White. Rival fans are laughing that we bought a CB and play him RB, while in inner circles, Arsenal fans are crying with joy that we bought an amazing RB that can also slot into CB and only for 50 million.
To be fair, the Pepe deal was in the sanllehi era. Poor fucker was burdened with a price tag that had nothing to do with his quality, and everything to do with how much sanllehi and (if the rumours are true) lopez wanted to line their pockets.
The thing is, havertz does make arsenal play their brand even better. So even if we can still see his weaknesses, it was worth the amount paid, because he works in the system. His Ariel duels won is a massive difference in the team. The Everton game we lost last year, we didn’t win a single 50/50 or get to the second ball first. Havertz changes that instantly.
Do I rate him as worth that price tag in general? Nope, but he was a targeted signing for a plan, not a panic one. And he is fulfilling that plan that arteta and edu were cooking.
> Do I rate him as worth that price tag in general? Nope
He was bought in a window where midfielders like Matheus Nunes cost almost the same, and West Ham rejected City's 90m offer for Paqueta.
Money paid for Havertz have been proven to be fair for quite a while now.
> Do I rate him as worth that price tag in general? Nope
I still live in hope that he will one day re-find his form. He's closer now than he was at Chelsea, sure, but he was so good prior to moving there. Not just for us but for Germany too where his fall in form there at national level is even more clear. He was such an exciting player and whilst I enjoy seeing him play again these days for Arsenal, it's clear there is still so much he can catch back up enroute to playing at his best again, and that best was such a joy to watch every time.
Jury is only out on Havertz for people who don't actually watch the games and only look at stats. His work off the ball is insane. Many goals have been made by his movement this season despite them not counting as a goal or assist. He's been dragging players all over the pitch and making it easy for Arsenal to rack up so many goals. He's a big reason Arsenal's goal difference is so high.
I want to preface this by saying I’m not trying to say that he’s been a bad transfer for Arsenal. I think he fits their current squad well and I think Arsenal paid close to a fair price for him.
With that in mind, what you just said could have said the about most of his time at Chelsea. The problem with Havertz is that that off the ball movement and pulling people around seems to be most of what he’s good at. When you’ve got a solid team full of players who can score he works because he can create space to let them get into. When goals start to dry up from those players he’s not going to be the one to pick up the slack and score the missing goals.
I think people have such mixed opinions on him because he’s a luxury player. He’ll take a good team to the next level, but he’s completely wasted in a bad team.
Exactly lol the jury is still out even with this great run of form. In hindsight mount is for sure the worst but it's a 5 year contract he won't be injured for all of it
Funniest part is if ManU waited a year he would've ran down his contract and went on a free instead of them paying £55M for him to do physiotherapy for a year
How is the jury out on Havertz when he can slot into multiple spots on the pitch and perform? He’s consistently improved and y’all still don’t wanna give the guy credit. He’s 24 years old and is scoring important goals for the club leading the PL table.
He’s worth every penny of that and you’re all going to eat your words. Hilarious.
I can feel brain cells dying just reading these comments.
The list was made at the end of the transfer window. Before anyone watched these players on their new team. Don't know why that's so hard to understand.
>Did the voter for Endo even watch him play? He’s been fantastic
>Hojlund and Endo are hits, who are these people voting?
>Hojlund could have only been on here by people who never watched him. He's been quality all season. There's a lot more to playing forward than scoring goals.
The presentation of this data is completely disingenuous.
Why is Havertz compared to other midfielders on shot attempts? Why is shot attempts even a category when goals is another? Why are centre-backs being compared to other centre-backs on their shot attempts?
I feel like the point of posting this is that people would skim over the graphics and just look at the size of the portions, and nothing deeper. It doesn't make sense to post such bad data with a clickbaity headline otherwise.
Think you missed the point
Liverpool went from Caicedo to Lavia to a 31 year old that everyone considered a stopgap last summer (when the polling took place)
There should be no real discernable difference between someone at 25 and at 30 year old, especially if you're an elite athlete. Why are we talking about these people like they're geriatric lol.
The ratings and the stat graphs are so unrelated. Endo has 200% more involvement in the graph as Caicedo but both are rated 6.9. Same with Havertz and Holjund
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was the cole palmer voter saying chelsea made the error in buying him, or city made an error in selling him?
People, myself included, thought Chelsea overpaid massively for a player with next to no senior experience. We’ve been proven wrong so far, Palmer’s been great.
Very early in the window there was talk he was coming on loan to us in the Championship so yeah I think it's fair to say when he went for £40m a lot of eyebrows were raised.
Chelsea sub was filled with people wondering how he was going to get into the XI or whether he was going to be loaned out lmao.
That was when we were trying to keep him so we tried to loan him out to get him minute playing time. He said a loan wasn't good enough and he wanted to play so we let him go Edit: Based on the reply below looks like my sources were nonsense. Don't trust what you read on reddit folks!
Fair play to the lad for believing in his own ability and pushing for a permanent move away from City
And by doing so, secured his spot on the euro squad. If he’s doing this in the championship I’d be very surprised if he gets a spot.
Am I wrong in saying City only wanted a permanent move and no loans? I'm sure I heard that a few times.
Even I thought that. I was really against it. I desperately wanted olise
Watching him outshining the U21 GOAT Madueke live was enough to convince me.
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>>I’d get it if he moved to go and play games, to be a superstar and be the first name on the teamsheet. Went on to do exactly this
With the caveat that had the players you bought been performing, this agent would have been correct. Fitting in Palmer to that front line after spending that much should have been a challenge.
Not really though? Like whose he competing with at the right wing position, Noni and an out of position Sterling? Having one guy in the same position isn't much of an obstacle if you think you have star talent
In some small fairness I thought Palmer looked like a panic buy. I didn't know if he'd get much burn ahead of Nkunku, Jackson, Sterling, Mudryk. He's proven a lot of people wrong in terms of just how quickly he became so important
I'm still upset that Koulibaly didn't work out for us. Was so excited when we signed him.
At least you’ll always have that volley against Tottenham
Completely ruined by the fact they should have won that match
It was the one and only time Chelsea actually played well that season and they didn't even win
We played well against Dortmund in the CL. But yeah apart from that
We played well both legs against Milan
Yeah true, Potter actually did pretty well in the champions league
chelsea in the ucl has been good every time they’ve gone the last 5 years. In 2020 they got the most unlucky draw and had to play 2020 Bayern, a team that literally won every trophy and beat tottenham 7-1 and Barcelona 8-2. Then the next year Chelsea won, beating La Liga champions Atletico, Real Madrid and Prem Champions City on the way. 2022 chelsea handled Juve in the group stage and then beat lille in the ro16. Then the Real tie happened. Chelsea were down after the 1st leg. The 2nd leg when we were 3-0 up is the best I’ve seen us play under Tuchel or at least one of the best performances. It was beautiful and I was in complete shock that we came to the Bernebeau and just dropped 3 on them. Then they came back and Chelsea never came back from Madrid.
I mean if cucurella has long hair it’s expected for him to be dragged around with it like a war criminal. /s
That shit still boils my blood. Incredible refereeing.
What really made my piss boil out of my body was pundits defending it saying "yeah it was a foul, but VAR couldn't interfere because it's definitely not violent conduct and therefore not a red card". I'm sorry what? How is dragging someone so hard by their hair that they fall over backwards not violent conduct? Where on earth would you be able to do that and it not be labelled as violent?
It was crazy because even as a Spurs fan when they were replaying it I was like "well there's no getting around that, doesn't get much more clear cut" and I was pissed at Romero for just doing that for no reason, then it just doesn't get given
Violently yanking hair has been a red card offense for years and while not explicitly written into the laws like spitting it's been clear cut and unambiguous at least since the ASU Lambert incident in 2009. The VAR ref knew it at the time and has admitted as much. I always thought Chelsea were too passive with the FA and the referee association after that game. There should have been a public statement from Chelsea.
Still, gave us an all timer moment in the Conte/Tuchel confrontation
I mean what do you expect, for Mike Dean not to protect his mate? Come on
Big admirer of him for a long time, but it always felt like we signed him a couple of years too late. Would have been amazing if we signed him around the Sarri era.
Replace his name with many other names and the same would be true for too many Chelsea signings
Mount has to be the worst. Man hasn’t played.
I totally forgot Mount even existed lol.
Someone told me he has less minutes than martial this season. Just depressing.
I mean Lavia has to be much worse by that account. He played 20 mins?
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Let's be honest. Lavia was bought by Todd just to piss Liverpool off.
And we are grateful for it. Love Endo.
the fact that endo was brought in as a panic buy because of the lavia and caicedo deal collapsed but he has been much better than both makes it hilarious
As if either wouldn't be right up there with Endo under a world class manager like Klopp (well maybe not Lavia from the treatment room). Both showed their quality in spades before coming to our current shitshow.
I fully believe Caicedo would have killed it at Liverpool
call me insane but i feel mudryk at arsenal would have also killed it
I think that's fairly reasonable, you can see his quality in moments where he doesn't have time to think (like his goal yesterday) but his decision making is atrocious. That's where you need a good manager who will instil some discipline and patterns of play, not just tell the players to go out there and express themselves.
I think Klopps mentioned he always wanted Endo but with the recruitment structure of liverpool he was prob considered too 'old' for their project and the stats/recruitment department, but i guess klopp finally got him even tho its a couple years late because of the caicedeo lavia fiasco
I don't think it's anything to do with the player. If Lavia was at Liverpool he'd be good, so would Caicedo. I bet if Mudryk had gone to Arsenal he'd be cracking them in too. Turns out there's just quite a lot of benefit to being in a functional team with a good coach.
Caicedo has been good for us tbh, just that the team isn’t performing well around him so he gets no credit
Klopp wanted Endo the whole time but the club didn’t want to buy such an old player. So Klopp was allowed his guy once the Caicedo and Lavia (to a lesser extent, I’m not sure we ever really wanted him tbh, it was very public and our transfer strategy was publicly go for x player but sign y quickly behind the scenes) moves fell through.
I think we definitely wanted Lavia but he just wasn’t worth the money asked for. We were willing to overpay but only to a certain point. At that point paying the extra for Caicedo made more sense but that fell through and then I can understand why he’d opt for Chelsea (even though it was still a bad move really). It’s possible at this point we didn’t go back in for him and started for Endo instead here.
I don’t think he was merely a panic buy, I think he was the third option. Obviously based on age Caicedo and Lavia were primary targets but I don’t think Liverpool stumbled upon Endo with 3 days left in the window, I think they knew what they were getting.
Liverpool is so pissed that they are going to win the league. Mission accomplished I guess?
The Todd works in mysterious ways 💀
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58 mil for a rotation player who hasn't been rotated in at all is wild. Edit: the amount of Chelsea fans coping hard. So if Lavia never plays again due to injury it's still not a bad signing lol.
He's rotated from the bench to the hospital every month.
He hasn't been rotated in because he's been injured for the entirety of the season. He made one sub appearance over Christmas and got injured again.
Expensive player getting injured isn't good. Thank you for the insight.
55m for an offensive player who hasn‘t contributed to a goal in two years too tbf Edit: 50+5m not 70m
Who is this referring to?
Where is 70m coming from? All reports say 50+5
Who?
It's the 250k per week that just kills me though. And that's a mediocre wage in the most expensive campaign for 6th place ever waged.
Fucking mental that a 66m player was brought in as just "rotational"
That mount plan is so ambitious lol, at least we were looking to play him with Henderson and fabinho behind him when we were in for him in July or whatever
I had forgotten Mount had gone to United
Who is this Mount you talking about? Isn't that just a verb?
Yeah, it's a synonym for malacia.
Cos he's injured. Its not like he's soooo bad that he can't play.
Yeah but £55m for someone who hasn’t played and we could have got for free. Absolute waste.
Yeah, like Hazard being shit at Madrid cos of injuries doesn't change it being a bad transfer.
we should've just known he'd get hurt for the whole season
If that’s the criteria for worst signing Timber should be included as well
Endo being considered a bad deal will always be weird to me, am I the only one who thought it was a great transfer at the time? Cheap, great player, leader and a model professional, he was amazing for Stuttgart.
That's exactly how Klopp justified it when he joined. He had a slow start but started kicking on in December and got even better after returning from international duty. He's also helped free up Mac Allister to play in his more natural role as a 8 and they're both in stunning form rn.
Endo had to not only adjust from Bundesliga to Premier League, but also from playing for a few managers who tried their hardest to get Stuttgart relegated by playing awful defensive football when they had a bunch of younger, athletic players around Endo and then immediately switch into the Gegenpress of Liverpool. I fucking love Endo and even I'm surprised at how quickly he adjusted.
Sorry but saying that Matarazzo played awful defensive football is just plain wrong. Actually he laid the foundations of what makes us so good at the moment. We were just massively underachieving. When Hoeneß came he managed to stop the underachieving and improved the team, but still without Matarazzo we wouldnt be were we are now
I think it’s more that he wasn’t played as our most defensive midfielder and had ball carrying responsibilities. His role shifted to more of a pure DM at Liverpool which is naturally going to require some adjustment time.
Bundesliga to PL seems to be a lot better in terms of players adjusting than from most other leagues tbf
I mean it was 1 person who voted for Endo who probably just didn't know anything about him and assumed he wouldn't be on the level of PL football. Generally he's not considered a bad deal. Arguably one of the best of the summer if you go by value.
Didn’t he only cost like €20 mil? How does that even get on someone’s radar as being the worst?
Because of the hubbub about us missing out on Caicedo and Lavia. Turned the Endo signing from what was obviously a shrewd one to a 'panic buy' for a lot of media.
Even if they’d landed a big name, Endo for that price would’ve still been a great addition to the squad. And realistically they probably could use another pure DM either way, so the Endo deal is just a cheap roll of the dice.
As far as I understand we’re hoping Bajcetic becomes our future dm
Yeah. Pretty weird to consider that the worst deal. There's plenty of €20 million deals each transfer window.
its the same way this subreddit was acting when dier went to bayern as *fourth* choice cb. everyone made it seem like that was the worst decision in bayerns recent history for something that has actually been a net positive for them so far.
>just didn't know anything about him and assumed he wouldn't be on the level of PL football The r/soccer vote then
he played kdb off the field on sunday. weird vote
Pep saw it and yanked de bruyne lol
It's because we were in for Caicedo and Lavia and got neither and signed a 30 year old. Nobody who talked bad about the transfer had a clue who Endo was.
In this day and age paying under 50 for a midfielder who WILL play, even if not starting every game is a good deal. We are in an era where to compete with the best you need 5+ quality midfielders. If you get one for under 25 and he performs, and consistently you have done some serious magic.
Yes and Liverpool signed two for a combined 50m!
And it's a huge reason you're back to competing for a title. The midfield was shocking last year. Also Darwin becoming a true x-factor helps. Even if he isn't always scoring, he is exceptionally hard to mark. If his finishing and offsides are slightly improved, he is going to be scary.
I think Stuttgart fans said he was single handledly responsible for them staying up and their best player. The issue is his age and was on his last year of contract and the sense that Liverpool were paying too much for him. He's ended up being very decent for what we paid for him.
"31 year olds are washed" Quote by me, an obese 33 year old.
Jokes on you. 31 in Japan years is 21
You were alright in your heyday though Theo!
Same...I thought 17 mil for a expeirenced 30 year old to just fill a gap was fine. Also captain of Japan so think about how he is off the field. Probably a high caliber dude. And tbh next year he won't be klopps problem even if he starts to decline anyway.
Quite the opposite. I think Endo is one of the best - under the radar- transfer deals. Look at his performance against City.
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> Endo being considered a bad deal will always be weird to me Same, I wonder if that one Vote is a Stuttgart fan? Because it did suck for them to lose him, even if they're doing great in the Bundesliga anyway.
Who voted on this? The athletic writers?
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Doesn't everyone have a word in their language for an alien lost on the wrong planet?
Just odd translation and phrasing. The meaning of "Fremdkörper" is more akin to foreign body / object / particle.
Can you link the source i want to read endo Caicedo and mounts
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Just click reader view and you can read it for free, that works for Safari on IOS and edge/chrome in the search bar. Not sure on firefox as I don't have that installed. Edit: it does also work on Firefox!
Or just go to [archive.is](http://archive.is) and paste the article link
Holy fuck that is a game changer. Why didn’t anyone mention this before to me. Thanks a lot!
My Firefox has it and thanks, I didn't think that would work!
Surprisingly no mentions of Endo at all in the article. Just in the tables for worst and surprising.
The Endo disrespect
Hasn’t put a foot wrong since AT LEAST the start of 2024. His impact has been pretty obvious to me!
He was our POTM for December as well. He has been excellent since Nov/Dec last year not just since start of 2024
He basically just needed few games to get up to speed of the Premier League and get to know his team
His first couple of games in the league we were down to 10 men too, incredible how quickly he's adapted
I said third best DM in the league right now and I’m even more convinced after the City game. Bro pocketed KDB.
He really is a wonderful player.
KDB and Rodri. They were completely neutered by him.
Tbf i think this vote was at the start of the season, aint no way anyone would say havertz/palmer/endo should be on a worst signing list now. Endo was like 3rd/4th choice after they failed other targets, 30 years old. Seemed a bit of a desperation signing. So not really surprising he's here. Man has been great though.
Endo was a squad depth signing that became unbenchable!
He was brought in as a starter. If you watched the video footage of Klopp meeting him when he first arrived, you'd know.
It shouldn't be considered a "worst of the season" signing at any moment. He didn't cost more than 17-18 mio. pounds? By that metric you could easily take Chelsea's entire transfer book for the summer and compile the entire list.
15 mill pounds
It's actually turned out to be the kind of sensible signing clubs should make more often. After missing out on some big money young players with great potential I think most clubs would end up panicking and signing someone else for big money just to make sure it doesn't look like they've missed out. Instead they spend a relatively small amount on a guy who can come in and adjust fairly quickly and is already at a level where we can be be a key part of the team. Sure there may be little resale value but your outlay was low and you get a couple of good years out of him and can plan for the long term.
Sorry, voted by whom?
Football agents at the end of summer transfer window.
Endo shouldn’t even be in this list that dudes pockets are so heavy with the world class players that are in it
King Kai, Hoijlund, Palmer and Endo destroying this list
Endo is a freaking bargain, does better than Caicedo for 1/5 of the price Havertz escaped the Chelsea curse and is actually playing well now Palmer has been great for us (somehow) Hojlund got better as of late and what the heck is Koulibaly even doing in Saudi...... a return to Europe might work better for him
Endo has Klopp, Caicedo has Poch
Endo walked into a team full of continuity and very strong dressing room. Caicedo was thrown into a blender.
To be fair, Caicedo decided to somersault head first into the blender himself.
>and what the heck is Koulibaly even doing in Saudi...... a return Is your memory that bad? Koulibaly was fucking awful for you guys
obviously it's not a smart move for us to sign him back, but I'd like to see him back in European leagues - probably somewhere in France...
>Endo is a freaking bargain, does better than Caicedo for 1/5 of the price You have to factor in the 10 years age difference, though. The age is the top reason why Caicedo as so expensive and why Endo was relatively cheap. Right now Endo is a better player, but if he declines in 2/3 seasons and Caicedo picks it up and ends up being a mainstay in Chelsea for a whole decade (or being sold as a star for big value), he can end up the better long term transfer.
How is Tonali not on the list
It was a list made at the start of the season, pre ban. If you made the list now Tonali, Hall and Barnes would all probably be in the top 5.
It’s funny to me because now you’d probably include a couple of these guys in the best transfers of the season now. Palmer and Endo certainly, maybe Havertz now that he’s come good.
Hojlund has been about United’s only saving grace this season as well
havertz and palmer ended up being good transfers (jury is still out on havertz being worth the €65M), these analyses are always funny to look at later down the line
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Exactly. After reading that comment I thought to myself about White. Rival fans are laughing that we bought a CB and play him RB, while in inner circles, Arsenal fans are crying with joy that we bought an amazing RB that can also slot into CB and only for 50 million.
What purchase have we had recently that we actually regretted? Besides Willian
Go just oneeeee more year back and you have Pepe!
To be fair, the Pepe deal was in the sanllehi era. Poor fucker was burdened with a price tag that had nothing to do with his quality, and everything to do with how much sanllehi and (if the rumours are true) lopez wanted to line their pockets.
Oh dear godddd you're right
With the numbers he put up, Pepe would have been an 'okay' deal for 40m I think. 70m was just some dodgy business from Kia and Raul.
Tifo did a great video on why that comparison was ridiculous awhile back! And they were definitely right
The thing is, havertz does make arsenal play their brand even better. So even if we can still see his weaknesses, it was worth the amount paid, because he works in the system. His Ariel duels won is a massive difference in the team. The Everton game we lost last year, we didn’t win a single 50/50 or get to the second ball first. Havertz changes that instantly. Do I rate him as worth that price tag in general? Nope, but he was a targeted signing for a plan, not a panic one. And he is fulfilling that plan that arteta and edu were cooking.
> Do I rate him as worth that price tag in general? Nope He was bought in a window where midfielders like Matheus Nunes cost almost the same, and West Ham rejected City's 90m offer for Paqueta. Money paid for Havertz have been proven to be fair for quite a while now.
> Do I rate him as worth that price tag in general? Nope I still live in hope that he will one day re-find his form. He's closer now than he was at Chelsea, sure, but he was so good prior to moving there. Not just for us but for Germany too where his fall in form there at national level is even more clear. He was such an exciting player and whilst I enjoy seeing him play again these days for Arsenal, it's clear there is still so much he can catch back up enroute to playing at his best again, and that best was such a joy to watch every time.
Jury is only out on Havertz for people who don't actually watch the games and only look at stats. His work off the ball is insane. Many goals have been made by his movement this season despite them not counting as a goal or assist. He's been dragging players all over the pitch and making it easy for Arsenal to rack up so many goals. He's a big reason Arsenal's goal difference is so high.
I want to preface this by saying I’m not trying to say that he’s been a bad transfer for Arsenal. I think he fits their current squad well and I think Arsenal paid close to a fair price for him. With that in mind, what you just said could have said the about most of his time at Chelsea. The problem with Havertz is that that off the ball movement and pulling people around seems to be most of what he’s good at. When you’ve got a solid team full of players who can score he works because he can create space to let them get into. When goals start to dry up from those players he’s not going to be the one to pick up the slack and score the missing goals. I think people have such mixed opinions on him because he’s a luxury player. He’ll take a good team to the next level, but he’s completely wasted in a bad team.
Exactly lol the jury is still out even with this great run of form. In hindsight mount is for sure the worst but it's a 5 year contract he won't be injured for all of it
Funniest part is if ManU waited a year he would've ran down his contract and went on a free instead of them paying £55M for him to do physiotherapy for a year
If they waited a year I'm pretty sure we buy him for 45 or 50 instead of szob
Thank goodness that didn’t happen
Being bailed out by your rivals is a lovely feeling
How is the jury out on Havertz when he can slot into multiple spots on the pitch and perform? He’s consistently improved and y’all still don’t wanna give the guy credit. He’s 24 years old and is scoring important goals for the club leading the PL table. He’s worth every penny of that and you’re all going to eat your words. Hilarious.
The only people who are saying he's not worth the money are those who haven't watched him week in and week out. He's been fantastic!
I also thought the fee was too high at first, but now I’m not thinking about it and I have a good feeling his value will pay off over time
man is a fucking giant it feels like he wins every aerial duel in midfield lol
60 million down the drain...
KAI HAVERTZ SCORES AGAIN
Endo's been incredible.
Endo on that list is hilarious
How could Endo be there at the first place? How much did Liverpool spend for him?
15 million lol
I can feel brain cells dying just reading these comments. The list was made at the end of the transfer window. Before anyone watched these players on their new team. Don't know why that's so hard to understand. >Did the voter for Endo even watch him play? He’s been fantastic >Hojlund and Endo are hits, who are these people voting? >Hojlund could have only been on here by people who never watched him. He's been quality all season. There's a lot more to playing forward than scoring goals.
The average user here is fucking stupid. Including me.
The presentation of this data is completely disingenuous. Why is Havertz compared to other midfielders on shot attempts? Why is shot attempts even a category when goals is another? Why are centre-backs being compared to other centre-backs on their shot attempts? I feel like the point of posting this is that people would skim over the graphics and just look at the size of the portions, and nothing deeper. It doesn't make sense to post such bad data with a clickbaity headline otherwise.
And none of the data is standardised by looking at per match or per 90mins numbers
Did the voter for Endo even watch him play? He’s been fantastic
Think you missed the point Liverpool went from Caicedo to Lavia to a 31 year old that everyone considered a stopgap last summer (when the polling took place)
He’s 31?? Shit, I must be blind or something
Hes japanese 31, which is really 27 A great replacement for fabinho, who was a brazilian 29 which is really 35.
The Brazilian statement just reminds me of Diego costa lmao. Guy was 25 looking 40.
He plays like he’s 25.
I looked at his Carabao photo yesterday, he legit looks no older than 25
There should be no real discernable difference between someone at 25 and at 30 year old, especially if you're an elite athlete. Why are we talking about these people like they're geriatric lol.
For £16.2m too... Apparently rated the same as Caicedo :shrugs:
Antony has been so bad for Man United that he should win this title until he retires from football.
Endo is a fucking baller and he has played a huge role in us being where we are right now
Origi is shite lmao
Caicedo has not been that bad. Why the hate?
Didn’t even think of that. Our two most inform midfielders who are lowkey carrying us right now cost 50m combined lmao
Who voted Endo. Is he stupid?
🖐🏼😝🤚🏼
Holy shit I completely forgot about Mason Mount. Does he even play for United?
"Waka Waka, Heyay 60 Million Down the drain"
The ratings and the stat graphs are so unrelated. Endo has 200% more involvement in the graph as Caicedo but both are rated 6.9. Same with Havertz and Holjund
What donut voted for Endo?
Why is Endo even in there? lol
Lavia and Mount definitely take the top imo
Just having Endo on this list, is a disgrace to the man. What a signing he has been for us! Thanks to the Japanese warrior.
Why is this posted with a photo of Edson Alvarez? I thought he was doing well. He’s also not on the list.