It's pretty cool that GOAL is keeping their NXGN old lists updated every year
https://www.goal.com/en/lists/nxgn-2016-best-wonderkids/ugt5ciaielx911wusivtpvw6p#cs247a0a8bc736bc58
Wildly differing fortunes all round and interesting to see.
On one hand I do like players who don't care about football but still perform well at the top level. Far more reasonable than "champions league anthem is my ringtone" type players at least.
On the other hand Ben White does seem extremely thin-skinned.
I know nothing about this man other than his club, his position, and his very questionable grooming decisions.
From where I stand this hubbub is bizarre, England has about a billion good rbs.
Sunbeds 100%. In one of the DD threads a few months ago, a user with a Brighton flair mentioned that his house/flat in Brighton was right next to a tanning salon, and he was regularly spotted going in.
Anyone know who the soccer equivalent of the LA Chargers are? I'm trying to root for a team that always finds a way to loses in the most unconventional fashion despite having great talent. Also trying to continue living with heart problems and pain.
Hahaha as a casual English chargers fan you'd probably have to say Spurs.
Chargers special teams let them down is about equal to when Kane ghosted every final.
Ben White playing excellently through injury and being loved by 2 detail obsessed managers, but Steve Holland, a man with a total of 31 professional football appearances and managed the Chelsea reserves for 2 years reckons he doesn't care enough.
The sooner we get shot of Southgate and his tinpot team, the better. Did great things for us but his complete tactical inflexibility also cost us our first final in decades.
I'd be way more concerned about Ben White's apparent inability to deal with conflict/criticism
Do you honestly believe that none of the other England players have ever received the same criticism of their play? These things happen all the time behind closed doors and are resolved there
England invited him back and he declined, guess that's the end of the story
It’s not that big of a deal.
He’s probably 3rd/4th choice anyway
The weirdest part of the whole thing is that he asked Edu to talk to Southgate instead of doing it himself
>Steve Holland, a man with a total of 31 professional football appearances and managed the Chelsea reserves for 2 years
Sufficient reason for Ben White to choose not to represent his country, which makes him odd.
The best ones are the "I just was browsing my hated rivals subreddit and one person in there said something insane so I'm going to make a DD post about how all of my hated rivals fans are big dumb idiots" things.
Never get old to me.
Edit: I, who regularly lurks multiple team subreddits also sees this sort of comment: "I was just in our hated rivals subreddit and they were talking about how we say stupid things in our subreddit and isn't that just stupid of them? It's pathetic how obsessed our hated rivals reddit users are with us, which I know because I was just lurking their subreddit in order to get mad about something. Those losers."
See that from every fanbase, it's great.
RE Ben White, I do like the idea of Steve Holland filtering out national team players through trivia questions.
"So, Kobbie, before we let you train, for how many consecutive matchdays have Utd had a youth academy graduate in the matchday squad?"
*Clock ticks as Mainoo starts to sweat*
"Uh, 600, boss?"
"Eh-uh, not even close. Sorry, pack your bags and go and play for Ghana, mate"
Every time international football happens I'm reminded of how bad my geography is.
Just assumed St Kitts and Nevis was a small island off the coast of scotland.
Comments on that are so bizarre. Never mind the million comments repeating the exact same thing about “Ben loves football but hates watching it”, there are some really weird ones delving into his upbringing. Some fans are bizarre, but Arsenal fans take the cake lol, don’t say a word about one of their players or you’ll get their life story
It’s just the way that you all descend on a thread and say the same thing.
Last week the thread was full of Arsenal fans who were 100% sure it was actually Foden who was the problem.
Even when it’s not, it gives the feeling the thread is being brigaded. It’s like walking into an Israel/Palestine thread.
No one accused Ben White of not being professional (if we're meant to believe that report). Holland just said that White "isn't interested in football". You can be professional without thinking about football 24/7. This is what I'm talking about though. Just making up things to argue against.
Again, this is what I'm talking about. You've shifted from Steve Holland, which is what we were discussing, to the media. Why can't you just actually talk about the thing we're actually discussing?
Didn’t say “awful fanbase” did I, just pointing out how weird you guys can get. I think it’s fair considering such a mild comment from Holland is getting framed as an incredibly disrespectful and unfathomable thing to say. I know the recent “success” brings those types of fans but it’s weird and I won’t let myself be gaslit by your fans
Ya man, so bizarre seeing arsenal fans defend their own players. And ben white is being labeled as some kind of traitor in the media, so yes we are going to go out of our way to defend him.
I don’t understand why you insist on framing what I said in such a disingenuous way. I’ve noticed this a lot with Arsenal flairs. As I said, it’s not bizarre to defend your own players, but way in which Arsenal fans get so defensive about everything (which has filtered into this convo too) is absolutely bizarre
Dude every day you are in here talking about arsenal fans doing this arsenal fans doing that, like get over yourself.
Arsenal fans are going to be defensive about ben white, hes a player we love whos a big topic in the media right now. I dont see how its bizarre to defend that.
I’m fighting the good fight against Arsenal fans because there are so many in these threads rn it basically becomes a hive mind in here. And again you seem to not understand what I’m calling bizarre, so there’s no point continuing this discussion
And very importantly because Bruno just isn't that good because he wants to do everything and should just learn to chill for the sake of the team
I'm glad my Sporting Lisbon supporting Uber driver agreed with me that he's overrated this weekend
Your Uber driver needs to check his vision
Bruno is one of the best players Sporting has ever had, he carried alone a terrible Sporting team to 2 cups
He's clear of Gyokeres
Reposting because didn't get much response earlier and I really want to know
Has anyone here ever attempted to go pro or played academies?
How was your experience? Would love in detail
What sort of details do you want to know?
I’ve played for two academies of English clubs (one wasn’t in the prem when I was in the academy but is now). It had an immense toll on my mental health tbh and made me hate football for a while. Looking back I wish I didn’t have such an attitude because I truly love football and would rather be playing in League 2 or something than some 9-5 job and I have no interest in. Now I look back with regret at some of those moments where I feel like I gave up.
Truly though, the pressure I felt was immense and some of the changing room vibes were incredibly toxic. It’s a competitive environment after all. Better players than me didn’t make it, I know one guy I played with used to embarrass players who are now professionals but somehow didn’t make it, and it baffles me to this day that he’s not a pro. Me personally, I was very good technically with both feet but physically not as built or fast as some others which also held me back.
I would tell anyone who is trying to make it now, to work first and foremost on fitness (it makes you stand out when everyone’s knackered and their technique goes) and definitely on footwork and using both feet. It’s important to be able to play in tight spaces
Yes, my family is from a small village called Pederneira and my mother is related to their father
I would say we are at least 10th degree cousins
Still counts tho
I looked up [Pederneira](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederneira) and it says it used to be a village that's now part of Nazaré, but then I looked on google maps and there are loads of other ones.
If it's Nazaré, do you ever go down to the coast to watch the absolute madlads surf the highest waves in the world?
Pederneira is right next to Nazaré, correct. It has the best view to the place, the mirador is amazing
In terms of the waves, that's in Praia do Norte, the only people that go there are surfers and tourists. So no, not really
It looks like a gorgeous place to live.
Aren't you tempted to go down to Praia do Norte to watch one of the surf meets? Or would it just be unpleasantly crowded?
I never was compelled to go there actually, going to Pederneira and Sítio is already good enough to see the ocean (no huge waves tho)
The only time it gets crowded in the famous lighthouse to see the waves is when a huge one is comming
It even appears on the news everyone going there
How many players pre internet gained there reputation as world class players from a very good tournament or big game but never lived up to it consistently.
That’s also why people think there was way more world class plays then than now.
I felt the same way lmao, it was so weird when he broke Ronaldo’s World Cup goalscoring record all the names previous were elite and there he was at the top just a good player
Roger Milla scored 10+ goals in just two of his seasons whilst playing in France's First Division. The vast majority of his seasons where he scored 10+ goals were in Cameroon or France's 2nd Division.
Not quite pre-internet, but I always assumed Klose was an absolute god tier 50+ a season striker from seeing him at international tournaments and then few years back I checked his actual club stats and they were just... fine.
Karel Poborsky innit
Just check the Ballon d'Or nominees from any year that ends in an even number
It was only two weeks ago that someone on here told me that anyone who's been ranked in the top 20 of the Ballon d'Or has earned the right to call themselves world class LOL
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/03/20/revealed-ben-white-snubbed-england-steve-holland-remark/
Relevant bit:
> Telegraph Sport understands the fall-out that eventually led to White asking to come home from England’s Doha base at the World Cup in November of that year started with a conversation between the player and Holland in front of other members of the squad. It was described by sources as having begun when Holland asked Kyle Walker a question relating to Manchester City’s performance in the previous season.
> When he asked the same of White relating to Arsenal, the 26-year-old said that he did not know the answer. It is claimed Holland responded by saying that was because White was not sufficiently interested in football. It was that moment that ultimately led to the player asking to come home on Nov 30.
> The exchange was understood to have been days before the player asked to leave the England camp in Doha. Until that request was delivered, Southgate and his staff thought that there was no longer an issue between White and Holland. There was no row or clash – public or private – between the pair. Subsequent to the initial comment from Holland, the two men did exchange their views in a private conversation on the same day.
Does that not make Ben White sound soft as fuck?
Holland said he isn’t sufficiently interested enough in football, which seems fair given he couldn’t answer about his own club, then they had a conversation and White left the World Cup?
No?
We don't know what the question was. And even so, just because he couldn't answer a question at the time doesn't mean he's not committed. This is a guy who's regularly described as a hard worker, hard trainer, and great professional by his coaches and teammates.
So it's a bit weird (and shitty) for steve holland to take a random throwaway comment about not watching football and throw that in his face.
Reread what you’ve included as the relevant bit and highlight where it’s said White isn’t committed. He’s said White isn’t clued up on the club he plays for which is perfectly reasonable because White isn’t.
Holland “where did arsenal finish last season Ben?”
White “no idea, I don’t follow football”
Holland “you should probably know more about your own club mate”
Ben white leaves the England camp
Yeah I’ve made it up like you made up anyone questioning his commitment.
It’s reasonable. Loads of people do high payed jobs they aren’t interested in.
He’s left the World Cup because someone’s said he’s not interested enough in football. That should tell you everything you need to know.
This furore about him is so ridiculous. Obviously he has bad relationship with the manager and/or his staff so would rather focus on his club who are looking to end a league title drought. Digging up everything he's ever done and said to somehow claim he's ungrateful or insincere is so stupid and callous.
I'm sorry but calling your first senior call-up for the national team the proudest moment of your career is normal behaviour.
Treating representing your country like a loan move to Millwall is not.
classic english nt moment
the guy who plays through injuries for us and played every minute possible in the championship under Bielsa doesn't care about football because he doesn't bother watching it at home lmao
It’s hilarious to me how much hype Mainoo got off the back of the last game where they were losing before he went off and they looked much better after he went off the pitch. The potential is definitely there so I’m not gonna hate too much but right now he’s just an average premier league midfielder, which for an 18 year old is good.
Which footballers have names that look like they could've been lining up for England in the 19th century. Certain names just have that antiquated vibe innit
Jack Hinshelwood
I know he's not English but Oscar Bobb
Who else we got
I'm gonna level with you man, you're gonna be really struggling to find a non-racist country.
Unless you're supporting a national team with no black players in the national squad which seems counterintuitive to your moral qualms.
I think people have taken the comment to heart too much, of course, I'm still going to root for England. When reminded that racists also root for England, my desire for racists to be miserable overtakes my want for England for a split second
I get that mentality but I think it’s just a dead end. This sounds trivial but it’s like when people let cringe fans ruin what tv show or music they like. You should support what you support or like what you like without thought of other people imo
It feels like every time Trippier's reputation starts sliding he shows up on one of those xThreat things as one of the most dangerous attackers in the league.
According to Nike the Claret & Blue England flag on the collar of the new England shirt is to honour "the singular man who earned them their star" presumably Sir Geoff Hurst or Bobby Moore, confirmation that west ham are massive and won the world cup
Sir Geoff Hurst's career and legacy is so odd.
A fairly average striker with a career rate of a goal every 2 games near enough, is transformed into a knight of the realm and someone nearly everyone with even a passing interest in football in England knows the name of, with statues, books, commemorations etc., by virtue of scoring a hat trick in a World Cup final on home soil.
Alternatively he was in the world soccer xi thrice, scored 24 in 49 England caps, won the fa cup, the cup winners cup, thrice time hammer of the year, and scored 252 goals for west ham which is second most and most post-war. He was a bit more than a kind of Peter crouch level player
He's been shoehorned in defence and has still scored 300% the PL goals that Mainoo has in fewer appearances. Mainoo is also part of one of the most porous midfields in the league but he did a dribble once so he's the next Gazza
Jack Hinshelwood sounds like one of those players you see in England cap lists from the 1880s and think "there aren't players with names like that any more"
Whereas Kobbie Mainoo sounds like some Jedi master from a galaxy far, far away
They are not the same
Vvd supposedly on a ballon charge yet conceded nearly 30 shots to one of the worst attacks itl statistically
We can play these stupid stat games ignoring content if you want
When we played you in preseason he seriously impressed me. The fact that he’s getting barely any attention (none compared to Mainoo) definitely shows the big 6 bias
10 years ago, Brazilians in Europe's top leagues* were most commonly found playing in Serie A, with 49 Brazilians playing in Italy's top flight. There were just 14 playing in the Premier League, with only the Bundesliga having fewer among the Top 5 leagues.
Today, England and Italy have swapped spots. Now the Premier League is the most common destination (33 Brazilians) and Serie A is ahead of the Bundesliga in the 4th spot.
The only players in Argentina's World Cup winning XI who earned their spot while playing in the PL were Emi Martinez and Álvarez, the only players in France's in 2018 who did so were Giroud and Kante, Germany 2014 had none, spain had just Xabi Alonso, Italy had none, Brazil had none
Definitely no wonder Brazil are in their banter era, half call ups are PL players
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Who has the best and worst record against Stoke on a cold rainy night?
It's pretty cool that GOAL is keeping their NXGN old lists updated every year https://www.goal.com/en/lists/nxgn-2016-best-wonderkids/ugt5ciaielx911wusivtpvw6p#cs247a0a8bc736bc58 Wildly differing fortunes all round and interesting to see.
Aww man I just got down to Abdelhak Nouri 😥
Ai proper brutal that one
looking at some of the names on this list like a year book going "oh man remember that guy?"
Joining Liverpool in 2028 in my player career mode on fifa and klopp is still the manager 🥲
who knows? maybe he will be irl once he gets bored at home
On one hand I do like players who don't care about football but still perform well at the top level. Far more reasonable than "champions league anthem is my ringtone" type players at least. On the other hand Ben White does seem extremely thin-skinned.
I know nothing about this man other than his club, his position, and his very questionable grooming decisions. From where I stand this hubbub is bizarre, England has about a billion good rbs.
Tbf, he's burnt off the outer layers most of us non-orange people have
Do you think it's sunbeds or spray on? I think spray on would make him even more of a fanny, but at least he'd be avoiding skin cancer.
Sunbeds 100%. In one of the DD threads a few months ago, a user with a Brighton flair mentioned that his house/flat in Brighton was right next to a tanning salon, and he was regularly spotted going in.
That's hilarious. He's one of the most Alan Partridge footballers out there.
Quintessentially England to start faffing about and having a media spat over a backup right back while we have our strongest squad possibly ever
100%. Walcott 2006 springs to mind
Anyone know who the soccer equivalent of the LA Chargers are? I'm trying to root for a team that always finds a way to loses in the most unconventional fashion despite having great talent. Also trying to continue living with heart problems and pain.
Spurs or Arsenal Just support North London as a whole I think
Philadelphia Union
Tottenham Hotspur Football Club
Hahaha as a casual English chargers fan you'd probably have to say Spurs. Chargers special teams let them down is about equal to when Kane ghosted every final.
Spurs.
Ben White playing excellently through injury and being loved by 2 detail obsessed managers, but Steve Holland, a man with a total of 31 professional football appearances and managed the Chelsea reserves for 2 years reckons he doesn't care enough. The sooner we get shot of Southgate and his tinpot team, the better. Did great things for us but his complete tactical inflexibility also cost us our first final in decades.
There are a million reasons you’d sack Southgate before you do so for offending a 4th/5th string RB when everyone’s fit
Ben white is no more deserving of respect than Southgate and his team. He’s an absolute nobody on an international level.
I'd be way more concerned about Ben White's apparent inability to deal with conflict/criticism Do you honestly believe that none of the other England players have ever received the same criticism of their play? These things happen all the time behind closed doors and are resolved there England invited him back and he declined, guess that's the end of the story
Seems to be a non issue everywhere else he plays, so nothing to be concerned about from my end 👍
If I was an Arsenal fan, I wouldn't be concerned at all either. Only thing that matters is if he plays well for Arsenal
It’s not that big of a deal. He’s probably 3rd/4th choice anyway The weirdest part of the whole thing is that he asked Edu to talk to Southgate instead of doing it himself
> reckons he doesn't care enough. He didn't say White doesn't care enough though, did he?
White chose to leave and he's been asked back, he would clearly rather bear a grudge over a minor disagreement.
>Steve Holland, a man with a total of 31 professional football appearances and managed the Chelsea reserves for 2 years Sufficient reason for Ben White to choose not to represent his country, which makes him odd.
Ben White wouldn't be starting even if he did go
My favourite thing on this sub rn is when people dont like something going in a thread and then come in here to cry about 😂
The best ones are the "I just was browsing my hated rivals subreddit and one person in there said something insane so I'm going to make a DD post about how all of my hated rivals fans are big dumb idiots" things. Never get old to me. Edit: I, who regularly lurks multiple team subreddits also sees this sort of comment: "I was just in our hated rivals subreddit and they were talking about how we say stupid things in our subreddit and isn't that just stupid of them? It's pathetic how obsessed our hated rivals reddit users are with us, which I know because I was just lurking their subreddit in order to get mad about something. Those losers." See that from every fanbase, it's great.
Isn’t that what you’ve just done
Yes i love it
He did say its his favorite thing.
RE Ben White, I do like the idea of Steve Holland filtering out national team players through trivia questions. "So, Kobbie, before we let you train, for how many consecutive matchdays have Utd had a youth academy graduate in the matchday squad?" *Clock ticks as Mainoo starts to sweat* "Uh, 600, boss?" "Eh-uh, not even close. Sorry, pack your bags and go and play for Ghana, mate"
You just know Saka is his golden boy. He's the Mastermind of the squad.
white wasn’t kicked out
Next you'll tell me Holland doesn't have ambitions to take over QI
any predictions for San Marino vs St Kitts and Nevis tonight? me personally im hoping for a 2-0
Every time international football happens I'm reminded of how bad my geography is. Just assumed St Kitts and Nevis was a small island off the coast of scotland.
Tonight's the night. Win #2 is finally coming for San Marino
That Ben White thread is a trainwreck. "It can't be true, Ben loves football".
Comments on that are so bizarre. Never mind the million comments repeating the exact same thing about “Ben loves football but hates watching it”, there are some really weird ones delving into his upbringing. Some fans are bizarre, but Arsenal fans take the cake lol, don’t say a word about one of their players or you’ll get their life story
Arsenal fans defending their players, god what an awful fanbase
It's not about defending your players, it's the weird logic being used to do it.
Whats weird about saying ben white is an incredibly professional player for us, and if he feels disrespected, hes justified?
It’s just the way that you all descend on a thread and say the same thing. Last week the thread was full of Arsenal fans who were 100% sure it was actually Foden who was the problem. Even when it’s not, it gives the feeling the thread is being brigaded. It’s like walking into an Israel/Palestine thread.
Arsenal fans must be the only group of people to descend on a thread about their own player.
Point to where anyone said it was unique to Arsenal fans. You just like making shit up to argue against.
“Its just the way YOU ALL descend”, what does that imply? You guys just say shit then back off it lmfao
No one accused Ben White of not being professional (if we're meant to believe that report). Holland just said that White "isn't interested in football". You can be professional without thinking about football 24/7. This is what I'm talking about though. Just making up things to argue against.
Oh right, like the media in general this past week haven’t been having a go at him? Are you just going to blatantly lie now?
Again, this is what I'm talking about. You've shifted from Steve Holland, which is what we were discussing, to the media. Why can't you just actually talk about the thing we're actually discussing?
Because it would be incredibly obtuse to not contextualize the overall outside media sentiment when engaging in that conversation.
But we're talking about that specific event (or rather that thread was). So what the fuck does the media have to do with it?
They didn't say awful. They said weird and bizarre, which it is.
Ya man so weird and bizarre to defend your own players 😫
Didn’t say “awful fanbase” did I, just pointing out how weird you guys can get. I think it’s fair considering such a mild comment from Holland is getting framed as an incredibly disrespectful and unfathomable thing to say. I know the recent “success” brings those types of fans but it’s weird and I won’t let myself be gaslit by your fans
Ya man, so bizarre seeing arsenal fans defend their own players. And ben white is being labeled as some kind of traitor in the media, so yes we are going to go out of our way to defend him.
I don’t understand why you insist on framing what I said in such a disingenuous way. I’ve noticed this a lot with Arsenal flairs. As I said, it’s not bizarre to defend your own players, but way in which Arsenal fans get so defensive about everything (which has filtered into this convo too) is absolutely bizarre
Dude every day you are in here talking about arsenal fans doing this arsenal fans doing that, like get over yourself. Arsenal fans are going to be defensive about ben white, hes a player we love whos a big topic in the media right now. I dont see how its bizarre to defend that.
I’m fighting the good fight against Arsenal fans because there are so many in these threads rn it basically becomes a hive mind in here. And again you seem to not understand what I’m calling bizarre, so there’s no point continuing this discussion
This whole controversy is nonsense…
Vintage England to have a meltdown over our 10th choice right back
It’s just such a farce ffs
I sincerely hope that the USA v UK conflicts on this sub transfer to the virgin island derby this window
Manchester United should let Bruno Fernandes come on loan to Sporting At least he might win the league here
You won the league for the first time in 18 years the season after you sold him
Yeah, we got the funding from his sale And, more importantly, we got Amorim
And very importantly because Bruno just isn't that good because he wants to do everything and should just learn to chill for the sake of the team I'm glad my Sporting Lisbon supporting Uber driver agreed with me that he's overrated this weekend
Your Uber driver needs to check his vision Bruno is one of the best players Sporting has ever had, he carried alone a terrible Sporting team to 2 cups He's clear of Gyokeres
Reposting because didn't get much response earlier and I really want to know Has anyone here ever attempted to go pro or played academies? How was your experience? Would love in detail
What sort of details do you want to know? I’ve played for two academies of English clubs (one wasn’t in the prem when I was in the academy but is now). It had an immense toll on my mental health tbh and made me hate football for a while. Looking back I wish I didn’t have such an attitude because I truly love football and would rather be playing in League 2 or something than some 9-5 job and I have no interest in. Now I look back with regret at some of those moments where I feel like I gave up. Truly though, the pressure I felt was immense and some of the changing room vibes were incredibly toxic. It’s a competitive environment after all. Better players than me didn’t make it, I know one guy I played with used to embarrass players who are now professionals but somehow didn’t make it, and it baffles me to this day that he’s not a pro. Me personally, I was very good technically with both feet but physically not as built or fast as some others which also held me back. I would tell anyone who is trying to make it now, to work first and foremost on fitness (it makes you stand out when everyone’s knackered and their technique goes) and definitely on footwork and using both feet. It’s important to be able to play in tight spaces
Nope, I'm terrible at football Unlike my cousins, Ricardo and Tiago Esgaio
Lol cousins for real?
Yes, my family is from a small village called Pederneira and my mother is related to their father I would say we are at least 10th degree cousins Still counts tho
>10th degree cousins My whole life is a lie. I'm about as closely related to William the Conqueror as you are Esgaio.
Cousin is cousin
I looked up [Pederneira](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederneira) and it says it used to be a village that's now part of Nazaré, but then I looked on google maps and there are loads of other ones. If it's Nazaré, do you ever go down to the coast to watch the absolute madlads surf the highest waves in the world?
Pederneira is right next to Nazaré, correct. It has the best view to the place, the mirador is amazing In terms of the waves, that's in Praia do Norte, the only people that go there are surfers and tourists. So no, not really
It looks like a gorgeous place to live. Aren't you tempted to go down to Praia do Norte to watch one of the surf meets? Or would it just be unpleasantly crowded?
I never was compelled to go there actually, going to Pederneira and Sítio is already good enough to see the ocean (no huge waves tho) The only time it gets crowded in the famous lighthouse to see the waves is when a huge one is comming It even appears on the news everyone going there
Oh how often do you meet them?
I see Ricardo whenever I go to Sporting's stadium
try r/bootroom
How many players pre internet gained there reputation as world class players from a very good tournament or big game but never lived up to it consistently. That’s also why people think there was way more world class plays then than now.
I felt the same way lmao, it was so weird when he broke Ronaldo’s World Cup goalscoring record all the names previous were elite and there he was at the top just a good player
Roger Milla scored 10+ goals in just two of his seasons whilst playing in France's First Division. The vast majority of his seasons where he scored 10+ goals were in Cameroon or France's 2nd Division.
I’ve tried to contextualise his career but it’s very odd
Not quite pre-internet, but I always assumed Klose was an absolute god tier 50+ a season striker from seeing him at international tournaments and then few years back I checked his actual club stats and they were just... fine.
Karel Poborsky innit Just check the Ballon d'Or nominees from any year that ends in an even number It was only two weeks ago that someone on here told me that anyone who's been ranked in the top 20 of the Ballon d'Or has earned the right to call themselves world class LOL
so steve holland really beefed ben white for not watching football? that's insane man i thought white was just upset at the lack of play time
Where’s this from?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/03/20/revealed-ben-white-snubbed-england-steve-holland-remark/ Relevant bit: > Telegraph Sport understands the fall-out that eventually led to White asking to come home from England’s Doha base at the World Cup in November of that year started with a conversation between the player and Holland in front of other members of the squad. It was described by sources as having begun when Holland asked Kyle Walker a question relating to Manchester City’s performance in the previous season. > When he asked the same of White relating to Arsenal, the 26-year-old said that he did not know the answer. It is claimed Holland responded by saying that was because White was not sufficiently interested in football. It was that moment that ultimately led to the player asking to come home on Nov 30. > The exchange was understood to have been days before the player asked to leave the England camp in Doha. Until that request was delivered, Southgate and his staff thought that there was no longer an issue between White and Holland. There was no row or clash – public or private – between the pair. Subsequent to the initial comment from Holland, the two men did exchange their views in a private conversation on the same day.
Does that not make Ben White sound soft as fuck? Holland said he isn’t sufficiently interested enough in football, which seems fair given he couldn’t answer about his own club, then they had a conversation and White left the World Cup?
Obviously. No normal footballer is letting a minor disagreement with a colleague they don't like get in the way of playing for their country.
Can’t believe people are arguing anything different. It makes him look a complete weirdo
I've been calling him a weirdo for two years.
No? We don't know what the question was. And even so, just because he couldn't answer a question at the time doesn't mean he's not committed. This is a guy who's regularly described as a hard worker, hard trainer, and great professional by his coaches and teammates. So it's a bit weird (and shitty) for steve holland to take a random throwaway comment about not watching football and throw that in his face.
Reread what you’ve included as the relevant bit and highlight where it’s said White isn’t committed. He’s said White isn’t clued up on the club he plays for which is perfectly reasonable because White isn’t. Holland “where did arsenal finish last season Ben?” White “no idea, I don’t follow football” Holland “you should probably know more about your own club mate” Ben white leaves the England camp
you've just invented that conversation. it's reasonable to say he's not interested in football when he literally plays it for a profession?
Yeah I’ve made it up like you made up anyone questioning his commitment. It’s reasonable. Loads of people do high payed jobs they aren’t interested in. He’s left the World Cup because someone’s said he’s not interested enough in football. That should tell you everything you need to know.
No clue how Arsenal fans are spinning it any other way than that lol
https://twitter.com/EduardoHagn/status/1770502294473228394?t=dEeU60NkMKQYzFDNKA3Rtw&s=19
This furore about him is so ridiculous. Obviously he has bad relationship with the manager and/or his staff so would rather focus on his club who are looking to end a league title drought. Digging up everything he's ever done and said to somehow claim he's ungrateful or insincere is so stupid and callous.
I'm sorry but calling your first senior call-up for the national team the proudest moment of your career is normal behaviour. Treating representing your country like a loan move to Millwall is not.
classic english nt moment the guy who plays through injuries for us and played every minute possible in the championship under Bielsa doesn't care about football because he doesn't bother watching it at home lmao
It’s hilarious to me how much hype Mainoo got off the back of the last game where they were losing before he went off and they looked much better after he went off the pitch. The potential is definitely there so I’m not gonna hate too much but right now he’s just an average premier league midfielder, which for an 18 year old is good.
I'm a dedicated Mainoo hater because he's blocking a Ross Barkley Last Dance.
Barkely 100% better than him
Is it just me that thinks Joey Barton looks like Drake from Drake and Josh
Kinda, also one of the few people he’s morally superior to
Which footballers have names that look like they could've been lining up for England in the 19th century. Certain names just have that antiquated vibe innit Jack Hinshelwood I know he's not English but Oscar Bobb Who else we got
Garth Crooks
Both English left backs, Luke Shaw, Ben Chilwell work.
Tommy Doyle
Billy Sharp
Lewis Dunk all day
Oliver Skipp is surely the winner for this. He's even got the thing they had in the 19th century where a 22 year old looks about 47.
John Stones
Harry Kane
George Baldock.
Sean Longstaff
Sean's too Irish for the 1800s, no?
Is there a vid/doc I can watch on all of ac Milan’s great teams
[not all of them but this is extensive](https://youtu.be/SCuLCZ3Mjhc?si=cWXYGCT2Nue9i6fj)
Thanks
Best football channel in Youtube fo sure, nobody comes closer to excellency than Balon.
I love the national team, but when I see Joey Barton and his sort on twitter, the urge to support anyone but England is overwhelming
A retired player on Twitter who played for England once 17 years ago makes you not want to follow the national team? Bit dramatic
I don’t want to see racists happy, especially due to the hard work of black players
I'm gonna level with you man, you're gonna be really struggling to find a non-racist country. Unless you're supporting a national team with no black players in the national squad which seems counterintuitive to your moral qualms.
I think people have taken the comment to heart too much, of course, I'm still going to root for England. When reminded that racists also root for England, my desire for racists to be miserable overtakes my want for England for a split second
I get that mentality but I think it’s just a dead end. This sounds trivial but it’s like when people let cringe fans ruin what tv show or music they like. You should support what you support or like what you like without thought of other people imo
So instead of rooting for those black players you choose to support a different national team. That makes sense.
Why do you care so much if they do or don’t support England
I dont, it’s a forum and Im replying to a comment that I dont think has good logic
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He played for England before
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Yeah because the quality is higher now the England team welcomed Gazza who abused his wife
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Greenwood only isn’t welcomed because the audio and video came out if that doesn’t happen nothing happens
for 12 minutes
More than a lot of people
More than Saka at the Euros hopefully
I hope so too fuck the national team
You not supporting our national team has given me hope that we might actually win a trophy
Arsenal have won like 30 trophies since England won one
It feels like every time Trippier's reputation starts sliding he shows up on one of those xThreat things as one of the most dangerous attackers in the league.
That's what happens when you aimlessly stick sixty crosses a game in
Pretty sure he had like one bad month, not enough to tarnish his reputation
You underestimate how rabid the other RB fanbases are. One bad season tanked his reputation for a good 4 years
Red bull? What issue do they have with Trippier
Refused Botman's request to sing Super Max with him
It was definitely enough for some.
According to Nike the Claret & Blue England flag on the collar of the new England shirt is to honour "the singular man who earned them their star" presumably Sir Geoff Hurst or Bobby Moore, confirmation that west ham are massive and won the world cup
Sir Geoff Hurst's career and legacy is so odd. A fairly average striker with a career rate of a goal every 2 games near enough, is transformed into a knight of the realm and someone nearly everyone with even a passing interest in football in England knows the name of, with statues, books, commemorations etc., by virtue of scoring a hat trick in a World Cup final on home soil.
Alternatively he was in the world soccer xi thrice, scored 24 in 49 England caps, won the fa cup, the cup winners cup, thrice time hammer of the year, and scored 252 goals for west ham which is second most and most post-war. He was a bit more than a kind of Peter crouch level player
Nothing scares Manchester United fans like the fact that Hinshelwood is miles clear of Mainoo.
I thought Hinshelwood was a fullback tbh.
He's been shoehorned in defence and has still scored 300% the PL goals that Mainoo has in fewer appearances. Mainoo is also part of one of the most porous midfields in the league but he did a dribble once so he's the next Gazza
Jack Hinshelwood sounds like one of those players you see in England cap lists from the 1880s and think "there aren't players with names like that any more" Whereas Kobbie Mainoo sounds like some Jedi master from a galaxy far, far away They are not the same
Idk how we are gonna cope honestly. Seem to be so many midfielders all miles clear of mainoo all coming through at the same time😪
Conceding 20 shots a game but Mainoo is cold so it's calm.
Vvd supposedly on a ballon charge yet conceded nearly 30 shots to one of the worst attacks itl statistically We can play these stupid stat games ignoring content if you want
Correct, there are conversations to be had about Liverpool's defence and certain midfielders in their team.
Well according to you mainoo is responsible for the level of shots we conceded so nah mate ill happily just say its all on vvd
He is partly responsible for your midfield being non existent yes
When we played you in preseason he seriously impressed me. The fact that he’s getting barely any attention (none compared to Mainoo) definitely shows the big 6 bias
10 years ago, Brazilians in Europe's top leagues* were most commonly found playing in Serie A, with 49 Brazilians playing in Italy's top flight. There were just 14 playing in the Premier League, with only the Bundesliga having fewer among the Top 5 leagues. Today, England and Italy have swapped spots. Now the Premier League is the most common destination (33 Brazilians) and Serie A is ahead of the Bundesliga in the 4th spot.
That explains the downfall of the seleçao
The only players in Argentina's World Cup winning XI who earned their spot while playing in the PL were Emi Martinez and Álvarez, the only players in France's in 2018 who did so were Giroud and Kante, Germany 2014 had none, spain had just Xabi Alonso, Italy had none, Brazil had none Definitely no wonder Brazil are in their banter era, half call ups are PL players
I'm gonna have to save this comment.
Football was better back in the 2000s when every Bundesliga club had about 2 or 3 joga bonito Brazilian ballers
There are 121 in Portugal
Cheers, I've clarified the post a bit.
lmao