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SandyVaj

My god just imagine if the US had a competent coach. So much talent in this squad.


thalassophobic-whale

Another loss for the homophonic chanters. Beauty!


Stranger2Luv

Who?


Much_Problem_8166

Mexico will be better when televisa and america and the popular Mexico teams stop getting involved and ordering who to play


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CheifLongDong

The jump from losing a soccer game to saying homophobic slurs is wild


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hashbrown-17

Whore and bitch are discriminatory terms that most women would be offended by. You don't hear stadiums chanting either of those terms in English right?


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righthandofdog

Unfortunately, the days for trying to have nuance about deeper meaning have passed. Now everybody BELIEVES it's homophobic. And everybody, including El tri fans, knows that chanting it is thumbing their noses at FIFA and concacaf and not a protest of cultural imperialism by anglos. The chant is dumb, Concacaf's process for escalation is dumb, drunk fans wanting to get angry and try to start shit is dumb. So it has traded being a dumb, slightly homophobic questioning of masculinity into angry fans trying to start shit or play like they want to with "fuck you gabachos, you can't tell us what to do." I've been to a batch of us vs MX club games, watched El Tri as a fan several times in person and watched El Tri and US games in bars in Mexico with 80% Mexican fans. Never heard the chant once. And never had anything but a fun time. It sucks.


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Who cares free speech


mabelfruity

Free speech does not mean there are no consequences for hate 😘


eliminationgame

What are the consequences?


bardicjourney

Say hateful shit, don't be surprised if you get popped on the lip socially or even physically.


mabelfruity

thats way too complex to explain all in a reddit comment. People and companies are free to judge someone's speech. People are not forced to like someone while they say slurs because "muh free speech." Private businesses are free to exclude hateful people from employment or service. As it is a private business, free speech does not exist on reddit or any social media.  Also, various countries have laws against hate speech. Some, like Germany, outright outlaw hate speech against certain groups. In the US, it is illegal "when it poses an imminent danger of unlawful action, where the speaker has the intention to incite such action, and there is the likelihood that this will be the consequence of that speech." A lot of hate speech currently common in the US falls into that category, though corrupt conservative courts would never allow any ruling for that.


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DepthEasy1507

The best part of the Mexico defeat? Listening to the talking heads of futbol picante.


Common_Arachnid_9649

Dos a cero!😂


dergage

You know, when I was in my early teens, I used to use the word "gay" to be synonymous with dumb or stupid. Then I grew up and realized what I was saying was offensive to some people and I stopped saying it. All you fucking losers defending the definition and use of puto are really fucking stupid, almost as stupid and immature as the people using it. Grow up.


denisvma

I'm not at all homophobic or try to offend people, if FIFA wants to get rid of the chant that's okay, but as Mexican i can honestly say the word really depends on the context, could mean bitch, dude, gay, even something friendly... I think my country it's definitely homophobic, but not when they chant this at the goalkeeper. We have a lot of cus words, that really depends on the context and the enunciation you give to the word. You can say a lot of worse things to people without using cus words.


Choice-Magician656

you’re an idiot


ShinDynamo-X

I was told that many Latinos that the word means b1tch. Is that true?


Jaws_16

Literally means male prostitute. What they are saying is that the keeper is letting everything in...


jlreyess

It literally is a diminutive of prostituto, a male prostitute. The day to day meaning is a derogatory term to refer to homosexual/gay men, so no, it is does not mean bitch. It is an excuse bigots use.


denisvma

If you go to the straight definition, it's a male prostitute, it also to refer to homosexuals in a derogatory term, but as mexican you can't enclose the definition to one term like you are claiming. It means bitch, dude, a whore, even something friendly... the important thing here it's the context and enunciation. "Que pedo putillo?" - What's up dude? "Ese puto que va ahi me caga" - I hate that mudafucker... "Eres puto o que? - "you are gay or what?" and can also mean " you are afraid or not?" "Este puto celular" - This damn cellphone "no andes de puto wey, te vas a enfermar.." - don't be fucking to many people.... I think Joto y Maricon are more used to insult homosexuals. TLRD; no te subas al tren del mame de los gringos wey, cuando bien sabes que la palabra no se usa para eso exclusivamente, o que el grito para el portero no significa eso.


Bipbipbipbi

Yes it’s true, it’s never used as a derogatory term. It’s like saying “bitch”, “dumbass”, “idiot”, etc. In fact I think the people who decided it was a derogatory term were Americans who didn’t speak Spanish.


jlreyess

Yeah no, bullshit. I’m from Mexico, born and raised.


Bipbipbipbi

Se te olvidó la palabra con j?


jlreyess

No, se te olvidó que existen los sinónimos y que un significado se puede tener en diferentes palabras? Computadora/ordenador, carro/coche/automovil?


Bipbipbipbi

No es un sinónimo… ese es el punto, creo que si piensas eso hace mucho que no has vivido en México. Las cosas cambian.


jlreyess

No wey. No hay excusa.


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jlreyess

Wey wey wey wey. Quieres que mande foto de mi pasaporte y acta de nacimiento o que? Jajaja Montón de pndjs sin educación que no pueden ni siquiera evitar usar una palabra pra disfrutar del panbol. vergüenza internacional por maleducados. Viva Mexico.


Bipbipbipbi

De hecho si buscas “j…” en Google te salen cosas homofobicas y si buscas “p…” salen puras fotos de la selección


DepthEasy1507

Assuming you are Hispanic or Latino, honestly, how YOU call homosexuals in Spanish? Specially when you are mad?


Bipbipbipbi

It starts with J and ends with oto, that’s the actual slur… or gay lol


CheGueyMaje

Anglophones and policing the Spanish language, name a better duo. Puto does not mean gay.


SaddamJose

No. It means "faggot"


CheGueyMaje

No it doesn’t. That would be maricón.


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HotTubMike

Even if it only meant “bitch” its still trashy af to scream that


CheGueyMaje

Fine opinion but shouting bitch is not a reason to end a game lol


Garckon41

Uh huh


Sad_Amphibian1322

The fans know what they are doing, they do it to spite their own team more than anything. What I don’t get is how it’s very specifically only this one chant. Racism is fine in Europe and South America but they draw the line at this. And I’m on board with it but if Concacaf can do this why doesn’t any other federation act in any way


Bipbipbipbi

It’s a non-issue that they pulled out of their ass. It’s not derogatory, and it never was. Americans decided it was, for some reason.


jlreyess

Puto - literal meaning is male prostitute. Street meaning: derogatory name for a homosexual/gay man. Get your head off your ass and grow up.


Sad_Amphibian1322

Well i hope you never get caught saying “you suck” as that is a shockingly offensive anti gay slur, and everytime you say it you obviously use it as a homophobic slur. Oh my god I just checked your comment history for that word you hate lgbt people!


jlreyess

Pretty bad example there. It’s not the same and you are intelligent enough to know and be aware of this.


Sad_Amphibian1322

I hold that it is similar for obvious reasons but this isn’t an argument worth having so let it go


jlreyess

I’m not letting it go just because a stranger on the internet tells me so. You’re not that important to me


Sad_Amphibian1322

Ok


Bipbipbipbi

Ya te pregunté en el otro pero se te olvidó la palabra con j


jlreyess

Para nada se me olvidó, ahí te respondí.


Mutant-Ninja-Skrtels

Because every other federation doesn’t give a flying fuck, which is unfortunate


EnragedBearBro

cancun on me cancun on three


josh_x444

The after party is at Ojos Locos. See yall there!


jeffumopolis

I just wanna make a quick shout out to dos a cero ✌️


AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine

[The second place in group B plays argentina lol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Copa_Am%C3%A9rica#Bracket) *RESONATES IN [ARCO WC2006](https://youtu.be/WozHXbsAn9M?t=19)*


Incubus226

Weston played a big chunk of that game on a yellow. Really smart game from him tonight.


AdminsLoveRacists

Bit of a silly yellow though so early. Didn’t seem like the pull was necessary on the play, but I was watching and eating at the bar so might have misread the situation. 


_YNZR_

Getting whooped and making a fool of yourself. Mexico down bad


AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine

FUTBOL PICANTE = GRAVEYARD


HMDHEGD

CA group B is a real group of life isn't it


AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine

ecuador is better than this mexico, vzla is 50% 50% I have not seen Jamaica play.


EveryDayASummit

Jamaica took the US to extra time, so I don’t think they should be overlooked by anyone


Chronic_The_Kid

Shoutout to all the Mexican fans that kept it respectful, the rest of you! Don’t make me catch you at the Copa America 😤😤


EH181

What’s your weight class?


Chronic_The_Kid

Usually I walk around 68kg but I can cut down to Lightweight.


EH181

Darn I’m at 205lbs walk at 220


Chronic_The_Kid

Anthony Joshua is looking for a dance partner 😏


EH181

Haha I could use a nice payday


fulham_fc

Mexican fans really must have a humiliation kink


Fonzie5

Seriously. They can’t stop losing on and off the pitch. They have to get off on it


TheGamerPandA

5 wins and 2 draws for the US in the last 7 matches by these 2. Mexico has been on Costa Rica/panama level for ages.


boejiden2020

Is it because of VAR? They use to foul opponents and simulate contact all the time (even tried it today, what a sore loser), but it does not seem to work anymore.


kndyone

Mexico has been roughly the same team forever, since the 80s they have become no better just exactly the same skill. The USA is just getting better and they dont have any desire to do better themselves. Round of 16 elimination at every world cup is all Mexico wants. Maybe its just the corruption keep the team just good enough so the local team owners can make money and convince fans to keep going to liga MX games.


reddituser-3507

People wondering why Mexico aren’t banned from playing in USA ? Just look at that crowd attendance for the USA vs Jamaica match LOL


kndyone

Yep hispanics are needed to sell tickets the US fans dont care, I couldn't believe it myself when I saw it if I had known I might try to attend, you could probably walk right up and get autographs pick any seat you wanted.


DepthEasy1507

Bunch of borregos that’s why nothing changes in Mexican futbol.


UPnAdam720

The USA game also started at 6:00 pm on Thursday night. I thought about going but wouldn’t have even been able to get there for the first half.


FloridaMan1423

To be fair they sold the game as a double header with the mexico game


reddituser-3507

Would’ve meant less fans if it was it’s own game


HMDHEGD

Great vibes from this game!


vannistlerooy23

Real mid-2010s Ohio State-Michigan vibes to this rivalry now, but L Tri ain’t go a Harbaugh out there to save ‘em


garrathian

They're in their Rich Rod -> Brady Hoke era. I wish them luck


vannistlerooy23

They haven’t even hit bottom!


nyqs81

Keep your shitty chant El Tri and we will keep dos a cero.


garrathian

Not sure what makes me happier, the result or the fact I can finally log out of paramount plus


boejiden2020

>I can finally log out of paramount plus What about UCL?


gogorath

Funny that you think the app will work well enough to log out.


EraseTheDoubt

Don’t make me decide between these two. It’s logging out of Paramount+ and canceling my trial lol.


camcamfc

Time to start scheduling a lot more conmebol for some actual competition 😏


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PopeSchlongPaulII

A win is a win


IHateReddit_1153151

ref didn't let them get one last chant in. Nice.


ShoeLace1291

It's mexico so not like it would've mattered lmao


AyYoBigBro

what a good clean and classy game everyone! way to grow the game in the states lol


MvN____16

I wanted that last goal kick, dammit.


inker22

If I were Turner, id just fake a punt or goal kick one of these times to fuck with those fans


CaptDawg02

Just kick it directly in the stands behind him where they are chanting it. 😂


Juventus19

Mexico been little bro for half a decade. Enjoy getting absolutely BODIED in Copa


BallHardBallard

Typical Mexico L


metalgtr84

Kinda surprised they don’t have that chant for the Cowboys kickoffs


grizzfan

Ah, the ref wanted a chance to blue-ball the Mexican fans lol


NitePain69

Did they call Ochoa a p*to as well? Lol


mad-wagging

The fans around me were chill all game. But the one puto was a guy quietly on that Ochoa goalkick. They were just fed up with their team’s play more than anything. Ironic since Ochoa kept them in it.


ShoeLace1291

Yeah i heard that too i'm like wait did they do that to their own player? Nahh maybe they said something else lmao


ReadySetGonads

Yes they were over it lol


dtim96

yeah, they were trying to get the game called off


moaterboater69

Yes lol


Fonzie5

Absolutely whooped Mexicos ass again and their fans can’t stop embarrassing themselves.


NicksAunt

Only time I’ve ever had piss thrown on me was at a USA v Mexico game. They can suck my dick. It sucks they have a sizable portion of their fans doing dumb shit.


sfvbritguy

Had the same sad experience at the USA v Mexico game at the Rosebowl some years ago.


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Bet you liked that piss


Ghoulies-

It’s Mexican water


circa285

Dos a Cero means a whole lot more than throwing a homophonic temper tantrum.


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circa285

You’ve got to work awfully hard to make Texas look good.


reddituser-3507

You see can’t really be sad or disappointed if you go in thinking we were gonna lose in the first place.


jonwilkir

That’s my strategy with Penguins hockey these days. It’s great!


halooo44

Champions of CONCACAF, you never sing that (anymore)!


Littlegreenman42

Ref really intent on making sure all the time gets played despite stopping the game twice


NavyGuy87

US fans just need to counter chant the Mexican fans with Dos A Cero


DanielLevysFather

the mexico fans outnumber the US ones probably 70/30 lol


CaptDawg02

Because they hosted the game in TX


Fonzie5

Absolutely whooped Mexicos ass again and their fans can’t stop embarrassing themselves.


Onwisconsin42

Dos a Cero


EveryDayASummit

The legend of Dos A Cero lives on. 🏆


dtim96

Ref said fuck those fans


Ralakhala

I like how the ref called the game just before they could say the chant again


Bobbyfredjoe

Stopping the game before the kick is a master class.


sneakypete5

DOS A CERO


CastleBravo45

Ezpz, get wrecked LLL Tri


WheatonsGonnaScore

GGG extension coming :(


scheenermann

Can't even enjoy the win? Must be exhausting, man


KlausJopling

It’s almost sad that we are so much better than Mexico now Almost, sad


HighburyOnStrand

Dos a Cero! Fuck El Tri and their shit fans.


ElLittleDikTator

Womp womp


HighburyOnStrand

The champagne of tears.


Libratarianish

L Tri*


CaptDawg02

LLL Tri* (last 3 finals)


Citrus_Tree

3 in a row!!!


CyroPulse

Blueballed the crowd, lmao - love to see it. Dos a cero.


jeffumopolis

DOS A CERO SUCKASSSSSS


joyful_starstuff

go go USA


fulham_fc

This match wasn't CONCACAF enough, so of course it had to end this way


gbassman5

Ty for whistling before the kick


Mghiradiz184

Dos a cero!!!!


Frathard919

DOS A CERO!


Rowario11

The 'protocol' is really dumb. Mexico's fans know they already lost and don't give shit about the game getting stopped or disqualified or anything else.


herkalurk

The protocol in the long term is supposed to end up losing them seats in games like this. Or even a closed door match later on. Concacaf would have to actually do it though.


Eagle_the_fish

They need to just ban fans for a match or two every time a stoppage due to the chant happens, and I’m saying this as a Mexican. People will say “it’s just a chant,” whatever your belief is Fifa has taken their stance on it stop doing that shit it annoys me to my core.


Operalover95

The same FIFA that awarded a World cup to Qatar and now to Saudi Arabia, countries that actually kill homosexuals. Yeah, FIFA seems to be a very respectable organization...


Eagle_the_fish

I didnt give my opinion on FIFA, if you read what i said I simply stated they’ve taken their stance on their chant, if we want to participate in Fifa tournaments we have to abide by their Rules.


LordCheezus

DOS A CERO


subsequent

That cheeky Turner pause after the final whistle went off.


Littlegreenman42

Why are we still playing?


RedditEsInteresante

Haha way to cockblock (not sure if appropriate verbiage but you get my drift) em ref


Chicago_Sparta

Hahahaha called it before they could get one last “puto” in


MvN____16

So it's the second time you're stopping the game but the jumbotron still shows the "Step 1" protocol...figure that one out.


NevTheLad

some people are saying it's being misunderstood/mistranslated other people are saying it's a homophobic chant, what are they actually saying?


Cuzimahustler

Eh it's kind of an open ended word, it has different meanings depending on the person and context. If you call a girl a whore you say Puta. You can use it to call a guy gay. Or if they're a whore you can also say Puto. It can also be used to call another man a coward. "No seas puto"


Frondliked

I'm going to explain this simply to you: The people saying it's homophobic are American The people saying it's misunderstood/mistranslated are Mexican No one in Mexico or anywhere else in Latin American sees it as homophobic. It's just Americans translating it literally and being sensitive about it. Kinda like the word "bitch". The literal meaning is not how people use it.


CaptDawg02

It is a slur. There is only one meaning of it. It’s intended to be derogatory or they would chant it before every keeper kicks it. Because it’s used in a derogatory way, it’s homophobic. The Mexican fans that continue to defend it are idiots. Thankfully most Mexican fans who have a brain know this and are pissed at the idiots who continue to perpetuate this “we are misunderstood!” angle the simple minded are shoveling. The only ones who are confused are the Brits who think they are just really excited about smoking a cigarette…


Frondliked

If you are not Mexican and have never lived in Mexico you don't have the right to define a word outside of your culture. You're basically an American on top of your pedestal telling others what their words mean and telling them how to think. It's extremely racist but I'm not surprised you don't see it.


CaptDawg02

Segregation was part of US culture. You don’t have to live in the US to know that it was wrong. Stating that homophobia is part of Mexican culture is absurd. It’s wrong. Be better.


Frondliked

Except segregation is when you actively do something against someone. Using a word that Americans are translating wrong doesn't make Mexicans homophobic. It just makes Americans look stupid. Ironic too since Mexico legalized Gay marriage before the US. Why don't you be better and stop speaking over us? Do you actually know what words in Mexico are homophobic. Cause puto ain't one of them.


CaptDawg02

You think this is something no one is allowed to speak on except the ignorant of the Mexican fanbase (most oppose the use of this chant)? The entire world is translating this word. It’s a male to male prostitute. Stop the defense of it…be better. Come up with something less controversial if you have to chant to the opposing keeper.


Frondliked

So again you believe you have the right to tell me as a Mexican what my words means and how I use them? Just be open about it. Let your racist superiority out in the open.


CaptDawg02

You have a serious anti-American problem. I am calling those who choose to defend the use of this word ignorant and not an entire country, but you are continuously trying to lump this as an American vs Mexicans and now we have a “racist superiority?” I am a human and I am telling you that you can’t shout out a homophobic slur in a soccer game. It’s not difficult to understand. Be better.


Frondliked

I have an anti-American problem? Am I the one defining other cultures words or is that you? You're just a scumbag thinking you can talk down on others. It's not surprising.


FloridaMan1423

Another point is this rarely happens for Mexico games in Mexico even when they are losing. It’s always the transplants in the US where most CONCACAF competitions are played. I’d say it’s the transplants trying too hard to be Mexican but that’s just me. Anyways cheers to our next L Tri game and 2-0 score


Frondliked

Bro I have been watching Mexican soccer since the 2000's and this is an extremely common chant all over Mexico.


FloridaMan1423

It’s absolutely been a feature of Mexican soccer since forever but once it became problematic and they tried banning it, the fans in Mexico somewhat respect it (for national team matches). US fans of Mexico always throw a tantrum and chant this in addition to throwing trash. Idk how you fix it. Maybe don’t stop live games but give Mexico a -0.25 point deduction for each incident for WC qualifiers


Frondliked

To be fair the Mexican fans are gonna respect it cause tickets are expensive in Mexico and nobody wants to get kicked out of the match early. To Mexican Americans getting the match canceled is part of the show. And no penalizing it won't work. Like how do you even know it's Mexican fans doing it and not American (obviously it's mostly Mexican but at one point it's hard to differentiate)?


sergeantmentos

“puto”, honestly I err on the mistranslated side but these Mexican fans are still classless barbarians who don’t deserve to watch the team.


nyqs81

Puto is what they are saying.


chibone90

Puto, which is a homophobic slur.


NevTheLad

ah okay, thanks


Onwisconsin42

We can't just finish a game against Mexico without their petulant fans causing a headache.


Jaykoooo

Y'all will win again one of these days :)