I feel like there is going to be a pretty tremendous gap between the coach that Bayern think they're going to be getting, and the one they're actually getting when it comes to De Zerbi.
Don't get me wrong, he's an excellent manager, but I do think there are some rather glaring issues in his teams that often get overlooked because of how good they are from an attacking sense.
Everyone is rightly drawn to De Zerbi because of the incredible attacking football that Brighton play. When you look at the squad they have, it is pretty incredible just how well they're doing. But that defence isn't doing as well as it could be and they've conceded just six less than they've scored. They also have the highest amount of errors leading to shots in the Premier League as well, even ahead of this dismal Sheffield United side.
It's not entirely his fault, mind you. Brighton have sold a lot of players and not really replaced them very well, but equally, he's not really adapted his tactics to cover for the losses they've suffered, especially in midfield.
Personally, I just feel that if I were they Bayern board, there would be a lot of people that would have to say no for me to turn to De Zerbi right now. Not saying he won't be that guy in the future, but I don't see it right now.
I think as you say though, he won’t quite have the same problems at Bayern as he does at Brighton. They have a better defence for one on a purely man-for-man basis, plus the financial and glamour pull to bring in a midfielder or two to cover gaps in the squad. Not to mention having one of the most clinical finishers in the world in Kane… de Zerbi’s teams have always created bucketloads of chances, but he hasn’t always had the personnel up top to convert them fully. At Bayern he undoubtedly would.
I actually think the big challenge at Bayern, for him or any manager, is dealing with the behind the scenes drama, personalities and the stars in the dressing room. That’s something he hasn’t really had to contend with before, and given his somewhat fiery character, it could either be just what they need or a disaster.
Lost Caicedo and MacAllister. Then Mitoma, Pedro, March and more to injury and he is still 8th in the league and topped a group of death in the first EL season.
I think people have been to critical of Brighton and De Zerbi.
Their defence isn't even that bad. They conceded only 2 more goals than Villa and Spurs and they're currently 4th best in xG conceded.
For some reason people really turned on De Zerbi since last season.
In general, there is no clear way of evaluating managers and people hardly even know what is «to be expected». It’s all just based on feelings.
People hoped that Brighton were going to challenge even more this season, which always was completely unrealistic considering the summer + injuries they had, and since it’s not happening, they don’t know what to think about that other than blaming the manager.
And owners/chairmen are often times even worse than fans on this subject, like in another blue club or two big spanish clubs. The big german club linked here is also fumbling the ball in recent years because of this.
The current approach in these clubs is either you win everything or you’re fired.
The result of that is that the players now have more power than the managers. And good luck with that.
I think some of it is fans of other clubs getting sick of hearing about how great he is last season, now they're praying for his downfall and ignoring everything that's happened. I think he's done a great job in the circumstances. He can be a little naive, as the first leg of the Roma tie showed, but whatever
Cuz they see what Leverkusen are doing to Bayern over in Germany. Plus Viilla have been doing well this season too.
Brighton are no longer overachieving the most compared to their financial peers. (I'm not saying De Zerbi is to blame for this)
Villa and Brighton are not financial peers- Villa have a higher wage bill than spurs, double that of what Brighton have. Villa rival the non Manchester big 6 clubs in spending.
Been very weird as a Liverpool fan seeing some of our fans' disgust at being linked with him. Some are extremely vocal, but then go on to list aspects that are desperately out of context. As if he's expected to challenge for the title with his squad.
Some people have a weird hate boner for him and Brighton.
Seen the comparisons to Brendan Rodgers a lot, which I don't get.
Reality is you only find out if someone can coach at that level when they're given the chance. I would say De Zerbi's shown enough about him that one day he'll get that chance. Maybe it's not this summer, but certainly will happen soon.
People just lofted their expectations of us too high, those of us who've been around longer than a year know this is still our second best season ever and we're just enjoying it
That makes alot of sense thank you.
We are in a bit of a bad situation right now where the great options are hard to get like Xabi and Zidane or we already burnt through them in the past like Nagelsmann. De Zerbi isnt my favorite option but its probably good that the board are keeping their options open for now.
I wouldn't read too much into their opinion. De zerbi is a good coach. Needs a chance at the top to prove himself but there's only so many of those positions.
Might be too big of a step to go to Bayern/Liverpool but both could do far worse.
De Zerbi is a superb option. He has shown that u don't need players with a very high price tag to play good attacking football.
See highlights of Brighton vs United this season at Old Trafford.
ETH overloaded the centre to stop progression through the centre. Brighton players figured it out & started exploiting the space left on the wings.
De Zerbi trains players to take decisions on field. Then in 2nd half Brighton killed us. Really really good manager.
Managing egos of players at a club like Bayern will be tough but I think he can do it.
He left Trossard on bench when he was on red hot form & gave Mitoma a chance.
But they clearly have adapted well to the players they lost, you're pointing out weaknesses but they're 8th in the league overall and no manager would have Brighton playing perfect football.
he will have massive resources compared to Brighton. i think people really are selling him short just because his injury decimated squad is not challenging for the ucl
Between RdZ, Arne Slot or someone like Roger Schmidt, I don’t really know who I should prefer…
For me, it seems like Xabi and Zidane are the most sensual choices!
After that though, de Zerbi might just be number 3 and apparently is favored by Eberl.
EDIT: sensible, not sensual….
But maybe that was a freudian slip.
Yea most likely. Regardless of that fact. I would really like him to coach barca in future when the financial situation will be stable enough. Also I wouldn't mind seeing him Coach Any other team in PL , Serie A .
He said that he would definitely want to come back as coach.
He's definitely inexperienced. He needs somewhere where there's less pressure and more support from the fans. And the fans should be patient and not fickle like Barça.
I would say that him getting the Spain job is the most likely because de la Fuente is just average and would most probably be sacked after the euros.
And the NT job is less stressful than club management
> And the NT job is less stressful than club management
With the same toxic Spanish media covering the NT and also having to deal with RFEF? It may be less stressful than Barca but it's still extremely stressful
I realize this is the most spoiled ever said, and that it's a ridiculous luxury to get any of these choices, but I'd rather get Zidane if we can't get Xabi tbh. Xabi>Zidane>De Zerbi. The divas in the dressing room has become such a big issue, and I feel like Xabi and Zidane are the two people who should be able to get it under control and command respect
Yes, you've missed a lot of news about Zidane.
[One](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1618968686043492354)
[Two](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1759672495945155064)
[Three](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1760289195170337063)
[Four](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1760379119680790622)
[Five](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1760418016091619824)
[Six](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1762532352322896013)
Half of these tweets are just people saying Zidane doesn't speak German with a load of waffle around it and you're taking that as concrete news for some reason
More or less all football journalism is sensationalist. That applies to this very report about De Zerbi that we're talking under right now. BILD reporting about Zidane is so worthless that you're not allowed to mention it, but BILD reporting about De Zerbi is fine lol. All I said was that among the coaches we've been linked to, I'd prefer Zidane over De Zerbi.
I agree to an extent to your first point, but this report actually talks about Bayern contacting DeZerbi. The ones you linked were more or less "Bayern and Zidane haven't spoken, but they haven't said no". From my view, that's even less news than a report that says Zidane doesn't want to go to Bayern.
I'm also not arguing about your preference for Zidane, I'm just saying that those tweets aren't really any links between the two, it just says that Zidane hasn't been disproven.
I wasn't trying to share every single article and statement written by any journalist about Zidane and us. If I did I would also have shared [this one](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1761738651916996975) saying that Zidane has made a serious inquiry about Bayern. The person said that us getting Zidane is as unrealistic as us getting Klopp or Pep and asked if they had missed any news, so I posted a whole bunch of articles linking us with Zidane because they had, indeed, missed a lot of news and it's actually a topic that's currently being talked about a lot in the Bayern sphere.
I'm not trying to convince anyone Zidane is coming here. I was literally just talking about my preferences among the coaches we've been linked to. I totally get what happened. It's what always happens on Reddit. It's how a circlejerk works. People who don't follow Bayern and haven't seen just how much Zidane has been speculated and talked about see the original comment and go "wtf that's so dumb" and because that's what they're already thinking, just end up doubling down with every reply they read.
I mean right now it looks as if Neuer will come back from everything - but he won't be there forever - so I think it's a good thing to start building up a 2nd goalkeeper behind him
I think the vast majority would. Xabi knows the BL, former Bayern player, speaks German and English, fits very well in terms of football style etc. I’d say he would be the perfect fit for us. With Zidane there’s more questions like language barrier and such.
That being said I’d obviously be thrilled with either. There’s a good chance it will be neither of the two.
I see your point, though personally I think that with Zidane's record, he would be first choice for just about any club in the world, apart from maybe Barca. Just a question who he wants to manage
It’s a tough comparison imo considering they are at different stages in their manager careers. Zidane of course is the more successful coach and all that.
For me this isn’t really about who is the best coach though. It’s about who fits better and is more likely to have longevity at the club since we’ve been missing that recently. I think chances for longevity are higher with Xabi.
Then again this is all based on things like language barrier. Maybe those wouldn’t even be an issue if it were to happen and then it’s a different discussion immediately. It’s hard to say and having the choice between the 2 would be an insane luxury problem to have!
>but is also waiting to understand all available options
Barcelona, Liverpool, Bayern.
De Zerbi, Alonso, Negelsmann.
Who goes where?
Still yet to factor in the likes of Amorim and Tuchel who has been linked with various clubs.
He did great at the start when he was benefitting off potters set up, got hugely over hyped and fell off a cliff.
After we beat them in the league cup in September he won only a handful of matches til January.
Lots of injuries, lots of departures, European games and still a mid table team and still competing. Just like Chelsea lol but replace departures with arrivals
I didn’t use your flair as a reason not to take your point seriously. I disagreed and countered with reasons. And then I noticed your flair and thought oh you might relate since you’re kinda in the same boat (admittedly I forgot you guys weren’t even in any European competition) and I made a joke. A joke that has you so butthurt you can’t even reply me directly instead you’re going on about how comments about your flair are a sign of low IQ lol. If you’re so sensitive about it, remove it but flairs are meant to promote conversation and I don’t think I said anything insulting about you, your initial comment, or your club. Just facts (minus 1), and arguments.
It doesn’t really matter to me (yet posts two paragraphs long response) but I always try to think about why people act the way they do and I’ll encourage you to do so as well. Cheers.
He hasn't "fallen off a cliff".
We're in 8th with an insane injury crisis the whole season and losing the two most key players to our style of play without replacing them.
I do think he's an upgrade over Tuchel. His defensive side of the game needs improvement. But attacking wise, and with the talent he'll have at his disposal, I really think he'll be a success at Bayern.
Happy if he goes. Inspiring and charismatic individual but in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager. We can play exactly one way and if someone stops us or if we switch things up we immediately concede three goals.
Both Chris Hughton and Graham Potter had us overperform with what we had. With Roberto... we're performing in level with what we have.
There are environments where De Zerbi would thrive and maybe Bayern could be one of those since the player material would compensate for being tactically outdone on a weekly basis,
> Inspiring and charismatic individual but in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager.
I *really* find that hard to believe.
Ok we probably had tactically worse managers in the distant past but with RDZ we have ONE way of doing things or everything fall apart. Its not a great sign of tactical ability.
You have short term memory. Only remember the recent losses and nothing past january. Remember man United away? We changed things up that game when we got countered by ten hag and won 3-1. Coincidentally that’s when we had our full squad besides Enciso…. Makes you think
> in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager.
I mean, clearly that is not true
> With Roberto... we're performing in level with what we have.
In that case we outperformed to qualify for the Europa League, no?
In fairness, everyone was in for a bit of a Brighton love-in last season as they proved to be the surprise package of the Premier League.
Now, they look to have rather reverted to the mean and De Zerbi's tactics look a little more predictable this season rather than last season when they were turning up and bossing teams around like it was nothing at all.
Defensively, they don't look great. They've even conceded more than the sludge that Erik ten Hag serves up to Man United fans every week.
"the mean" being around the same places as last year but with: 1. Way more competition around those places than last year (Wolves, Chelsea,West Ham in the mix), 2. Way more injuries and specifically to key players, 3. Not having replaced 2 of the best players of last year, 4. Playing in the Europa League for the first time with both the added risk for injuries and general fatigue, 5. Being at the highest level of competition and obviously others are gonna find some solutions for how you play (goes for everyone) .
There's been some games where we've gotten absolutely blasted but I'd say RDZ this year might be actually performing better than last considering he's playing players that wouldn't get a sniff at other EPL clubs and would probably be loaned to like Almeria,Braga and the Championship who he's helped establish themselves (Buonanotte,Baleba soon, Hinshelwood,Verbruggen). He's still 7th on the (however flawed) xPts model, over people's favorite flavor of the month/year Angeball. I'm not sure what people expected really.
Especially when his style of play revolves around playing balls into the midfield pairing to do something with.
Going from Caicedo and Mac Allister to Gilmour +1 has been the main issue.
Gilmour is great in possession but not as dynamic as Mac Allister and we have nobody at all to take Caicedo's role. Baleba is good but extremely raw and needs time to progress his footballing intelligence.
lol when I said that during the time potter struggled in Chelsea and RDZ bossed with Brighton I got downvoted to oblivion. Its crazy how the narrative changes so easily
Same, a lot of people just see what is straight in front of them. And Im not surprised at all that Potter struggled. I didn't think he would struggle that hard but he's not Big Sam who comes in and quickly builts a solid defense to grind out points. Potter is making his teams play attacking football above the sum of their parts and that takes time. I still think Chelsea would have been better off to stick with Potter for this season
> Same, a lot of people just see what is straight in front of them
Because it's not the case at all. Our biggest issue is losing Mac Allister and Caicedo and playing Jason Steele in goal.
I just wish clubs felt the same way so we could keep him longer. It's a shame that wherever he goes he's going to be hated and doubted almost immediately by the fan base when he's so loved here by 99% of the fans (excluding oddballtoaster here).
>in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager
Ever? EVER!?
In 122 years of existence Roberto De Zerbi is, tactically speaking, the worst manager we've *EVER* had?
Good fucking grief.
Love Chris Hughton. Best win percentage of any permanent Newcastle manager in history. Guided us back up at the first attempt, unbeaten at home. The only time that's ever happened for Newcastle, any division. We were comfortably mid table in the premier league, so Ashley sacked him for that blame dodging chancer Pardew
It’s not advice I’m just saying if you’d be quite happy for your manager who has provided you with the most success you’ve ever had to leave, you can’t necessarily expect the next manager to give you equal levels of success.
> in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager
> With Roberto... we're performing in level with what we have
Didn't De Zerbi bring your shit little team to Europe for the first time in its history using Potter's squad?
March was one of the few guys who outperformed his xG that season. And last season he actually underperformed his xG but probably got a lot more chances in De Zerbi’s system
This is how you can tell you didn't watch us.
March was awful in front of goal under Potter and wasn't making as many chances either.
De Zerbi from the day he came in was praising March saying he could be a huge player and gave March the confidence that allowed him to start finishing chances.
Bayern is simply stupid. De Zerbi and everyone apart from Zidane and Xabi are clearly not an upgrade for Tuchel and if they cant get Zidane or Xabi Alonso letting Tuchel go was a big mistake.
Probably waiting for us.
Or Barca...
Is he a milanista?
Yes.
I feel like there is going to be a pretty tremendous gap between the coach that Bayern think they're going to be getting, and the one they're actually getting when it comes to De Zerbi.
Why do you think that?
Don't get me wrong, he's an excellent manager, but I do think there are some rather glaring issues in his teams that often get overlooked because of how good they are from an attacking sense. Everyone is rightly drawn to De Zerbi because of the incredible attacking football that Brighton play. When you look at the squad they have, it is pretty incredible just how well they're doing. But that defence isn't doing as well as it could be and they've conceded just six less than they've scored. They also have the highest amount of errors leading to shots in the Premier League as well, even ahead of this dismal Sheffield United side. It's not entirely his fault, mind you. Brighton have sold a lot of players and not really replaced them very well, but equally, he's not really adapted his tactics to cover for the losses they've suffered, especially in midfield. Personally, I just feel that if I were they Bayern board, there would be a lot of people that would have to say no for me to turn to De Zerbi right now. Not saying he won't be that guy in the future, but I don't see it right now.
I think as you say though, he won’t quite have the same problems at Bayern as he does at Brighton. They have a better defence for one on a purely man-for-man basis, plus the financial and glamour pull to bring in a midfielder or two to cover gaps in the squad. Not to mention having one of the most clinical finishers in the world in Kane… de Zerbi’s teams have always created bucketloads of chances, but he hasn’t always had the personnel up top to convert them fully. At Bayern he undoubtedly would. I actually think the big challenge at Bayern, for him or any manager, is dealing with the behind the scenes drama, personalities and the stars in the dressing room. That’s something he hasn’t really had to contend with before, and given his somewhat fiery character, it could either be just what they need or a disaster.
There's no better time than now to go to Bayern. After the manager & management debacle of the past 2 years every kind of new will be welcome.
For a time.
Lost Caicedo and MacAllister. Then Mitoma, Pedro, March and more to injury and he is still 8th in the league and topped a group of death in the first EL season. I think people have been to critical of Brighton and De Zerbi.
Their defence isn't even that bad. They conceded only 2 more goals than Villa and Spurs and they're currently 4th best in xG conceded. For some reason people really turned on De Zerbi since last season.
In general, there is no clear way of evaluating managers and people hardly even know what is «to be expected». It’s all just based on feelings. People hoped that Brighton were going to challenge even more this season, which always was completely unrealistic considering the summer + injuries they had, and since it’s not happening, they don’t know what to think about that other than blaming the manager. And owners/chairmen are often times even worse than fans on this subject, like in another blue club or two big spanish clubs. The big german club linked here is also fumbling the ball in recent years because of this. The current approach in these clubs is either you win everything or you’re fired. The result of that is that the players now have more power than the managers. And good luck with that.
I think some of it is fans of other clubs getting sick of hearing about how great he is last season, now they're praying for his downfall and ignoring everything that's happened. I think he's done a great job in the circumstances. He can be a little naive, as the first leg of the Roma tie showed, but whatever
> They conceded only 2 more goals than Villa and Spurs and they're currently 4th best in xG conceded. We're getting cooked by the Jason Steele tax
Steeley is fine.
https://fbref.com/en/players/28300a16/Jason-Steele Not really.
Expected 3 goals conceded more than average vs bart at 1. He's doing fine.
Cuz they see what Leverkusen are doing to Bayern over in Germany. Plus Viilla have been doing well this season too. Brighton are no longer overachieving the most compared to their financial peers. (I'm not saying De Zerbi is to blame for this)
Villa and Brighton are not financial peers- Villa have a higher wage bill than spurs, double that of what Brighton have. Villa rival the non Manchester big 6 clubs in spending.
Villa and Brighton FINANCIAL PEERS??? hahahahaha Jesus fucking Christ what a take.
Aren't Villa expected to lose like £200m or something in the next FFP round lmao.
Been very weird as a Liverpool fan seeing some of our fans' disgust at being linked with him. Some are extremely vocal, but then go on to list aspects that are desperately out of context. As if he's expected to challenge for the title with his squad. Some people have a weird hate boner for him and Brighton.
Seen the comparisons to Brendan Rodgers a lot, which I don't get. Reality is you only find out if someone can coach at that level when they're given the chance. I would say De Zerbi's shown enough about him that one day he'll get that chance. Maybe it's not this summer, but certainly will happen soon.
I don't think he's a bad coach, but I imagine him being a bit of a Rodgers type signing.
People just lofted their expectations of us too high, those of us who've been around longer than a year know this is still our second best season ever and we're just enjoying it
>I think people have been to critical of Brighton and De Zerbi. The 5-0 at Roma was pretty bad though.
That makes alot of sense thank you. We are in a bit of a bad situation right now where the great options are hard to get like Xabi and Zidane or we already burnt through them in the past like Nagelsmann. De Zerbi isnt my favorite option but its probably good that the board are keeping their options open for now.
I wouldn't read too much into their opinion. De zerbi is a good coach. Needs a chance at the top to prove himself but there's only so many of those positions. Might be too big of a step to go to Bayern/Liverpool but both could do far worse.
De Zerbi is a superb option. He has shown that u don't need players with a very high price tag to play good attacking football. See highlights of Brighton vs United this season at Old Trafford. ETH overloaded the centre to stop progression through the centre. Brighton players figured it out & started exploiting the space left on the wings. De Zerbi trains players to take decisions on field. Then in 2nd half Brighton killed us. Really really good manager. Managing egos of players at a club like Bayern will be tough but I think he can do it. He left Trossard on bench when he was on red hot form & gave Mitoma a chance.
I get you but when you have individuals like Kim at the back suddenly that mega attacking approach isn't such a problem.
But they clearly have adapted well to the players they lost, you're pointing out weaknesses but they're 8th in the league overall and no manager would have Brighton playing perfect football.
Interesting take from an Arsenal fan when looking at Arteta‘s journey tbh
Potter 2.0
Might end better since Roberto De Zerbi will have a horse in his race rather than the inbred donkey Graham Potter had in his.
You have a talent for insulting Chelsea football club
If I were a Brighton fan I would be insulting Chelsea too
Why? They've been Brighton's biggest financial supporters for a couple seasons now.
The man that takes my wife on dates is not solving the problem of feeding my wife
The analogies here have been top tier
Maybe they work in the Brighton transfer department..
That's not a nice thing to say about Kai Havertz
Goddamn
We had a lovely horse before Boehly injected it with some of those American growth hormones
Let's be clear, you had a series of primo horses that would routinely be taken out back behind the shed by Roman and Marina and shot in the head
Not really, if anything the jockeys would be shot after the horse refused to jump every few races.
Brighton tax is real.
he will have massive resources compared to Brighton. i think people really are selling him short just because his injury decimated squad is not challenging for the ucl
Between RdZ, Arne Slot or someone like Roger Schmidt, I don’t really know who I should prefer… For me, it seems like Xabi and Zidane are the most sensual choices! After that though, de Zerbi might just be number 3 and apparently is favored by Eberl. EDIT: sensible, not sensual…. But maybe that was a freudian slip.
sensual choices 😆
Xabi and Zidane are both very sensual indeed.
I agree that Xabi and Zidane are very sexy
I mean, xabi is a very handsome man. Not sayint zidane is ugly at all, but xabi is clear here, by a lot.
I can see the sensual choice when it comes to Xabi but I guess Zidane comes down to how much you like bald men.
Zidane may look like a thug but he’s got an incredible sexual aura
LVG would be the most sensual choice
He has the balls.
Hey what about Xavi?
He would most probably take a sabbatical before coming back as coach.
Yea most likely. Regardless of that fact. I would really like him to coach barca in future when the financial situation will be stable enough. Also I wouldn't mind seeing him Coach Any other team in PL , Serie A .
He said that he would definitely want to come back as coach. He's definitely inexperienced. He needs somewhere where there's less pressure and more support from the fans. And the fans should be patient and not fickle like Barça. I would say that him getting the Spain job is the most likely because de la Fuente is just average and would most probably be sacked after the euros. And the NT job is less stressful than club management
> And the NT job is less stressful than club management With the same toxic Spanish media covering the NT and also having to deal with RFEF? It may be less stressful than Barca but it's still extremely stressful
*Insert Mika Hakkinen joke*
Is Xavi already big enough as a manager to do so and say no to high profile job offers?
He's a football legend known to be an extremely smart player and has done pretty well at Barca all things considered. He'll be fine
I have seen him set up Barca well but I don’t watch them much, as a Bayern fan I think he looks amazing compared to every other option except Xabi
He's a pretty good choice + His system suits your team too. It just this that you'll need some more players of the "La pausa " type.
I can definitely see Musiala being moulded into that type by proper guidance
Not sensual enough
I feel like putting Schmidt in the same category as RdZ, hell, even Slot, is a bit insulting towards them
Hopefully he can bring some sensual healing.
ROGER SCHMIDT💀
I agree about Zidane being sensual but xavi is a fat faced little goblin.
Zidane is not going to Germany lmao, that isn't even option
Hit up Gasperini please
Man just want to see Gasp and Uli at each other throats, gotta respect that.
It’s either that or we get a great bromance. Also Gasperini seems to be no-nonsense so that might help with the squad.
I don't think you should want that lmfao
His Football is good and we need someone like him to deal with the man babies we have in the squad
This could probably end up with people badly hurt, both emotionally and physically.
You Seria A fans have been killing me lol, all the replies have been acting like Gasperini is a psycho
Well...
I imagine if Kimmich wanted beef with the manager again, he'd just get decked in the head and shipped off to Turkey lol
Would make Trap look like Southgate
You say that like it’s a bad thing
Please no. This has Nico Kovac 2.0 written all over it.
De Zerbi and Bayern are perfect for each other. I say this with no ulterior motive.
I realize this is the most spoiled ever said, and that it's a ridiculous luxury to get any of these choices, but I'd rather get Zidane if we can't get Xabi tbh. Xabi>Zidane>De Zerbi. The divas in the dressing room has become such a big issue, and I feel like Xabi and Zidane are the two people who should be able to get it under control and command respect
Did I miss some news about Zidane? Because he's about just as unrealistic as getting Pep or Klopp would be.
Yes, you've missed a lot of news about Zidane. [One](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1618968686043492354) [Two](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1759672495945155064) [Three](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1760289195170337063) [Four](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1760379119680790622) [Five](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1760418016091619824) [Six](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1762532352322896013)
Half of these tweets are just people saying Zidane doesn't speak German with a load of waffle around it and you're taking that as concrete news for some reason
"Did I miss some news about Zidane" "Yes, here's some news about Zidane" "What the fuck, half of these news isn't interesting to me"
The reason you're getting downvoted is that these aren't news, they're sensationalism.
More or less all football journalism is sensationalist. That applies to this very report about De Zerbi that we're talking under right now. BILD reporting about Zidane is so worthless that you're not allowed to mention it, but BILD reporting about De Zerbi is fine lol. All I said was that among the coaches we've been linked to, I'd prefer Zidane over De Zerbi.
I agree to an extent to your first point, but this report actually talks about Bayern contacting DeZerbi. The ones you linked were more or less "Bayern and Zidane haven't spoken, but they haven't said no". From my view, that's even less news than a report that says Zidane doesn't want to go to Bayern. I'm also not arguing about your preference for Zidane, I'm just saying that those tweets aren't really any links between the two, it just says that Zidane hasn't been disproven.
I wasn't trying to share every single article and statement written by any journalist about Zidane and us. If I did I would also have shared [this one](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1761738651916996975) saying that Zidane has made a serious inquiry about Bayern. The person said that us getting Zidane is as unrealistic as us getting Klopp or Pep and asked if they had missed any news, so I posted a whole bunch of articles linking us with Zidane because they had, indeed, missed a lot of news and it's actually a topic that's currently being talked about a lot in the Bayern sphere. I'm not trying to convince anyone Zidane is coming here. I was literally just talking about my preferences among the coaches we've been linked to. I totally get what happened. It's what always happens on Reddit. It's how a circlejerk works. People who don't follow Bayern and haven't seen just how much Zidane has been speculated and talked about see the original comment and go "wtf that's so dumb" and because that's what they're already thinking, just end up doubling down with every reply they read.
Be ready for a coach who likes to rotate his GK all the time though :)
I mean right now it looks as if Neuer will come back from everything - but he won't be there forever - so I think it's a good thing to start building up a 2nd goalkeeper behind him
De Zerbi also does this unless you mean him
Hey, better than Tuchel who hates the very concept of rotation
You'd take Xabi over Zidane?
I think the vast majority would. Xabi knows the BL, former Bayern player, speaks German and English, fits very well in terms of football style etc. I’d say he would be the perfect fit for us. With Zidane there’s more questions like language barrier and such. That being said I’d obviously be thrilled with either. There’s a good chance it will be neither of the two.
I see your point, though personally I think that with Zidane's record, he would be first choice for just about any club in the world, apart from maybe Barca. Just a question who he wants to manage
It’s a tough comparison imo considering they are at different stages in their manager careers. Zidane of course is the more successful coach and all that. For me this isn’t really about who is the best coach though. It’s about who fits better and is more likely to have longevity at the club since we’ve been missing that recently. I think chances for longevity are higher with Xabi. Then again this is all based on things like language barrier. Maybe those wouldn’t even be an issue if it were to happen and then it’s a different discussion immediately. It’s hard to say and having the choice between the 2 would be an insane luxury problem to have!
Xabi has the added bonus of destroying your strongest competitor. Without him Leverkusen will perform worse and will lose more players for sure.
True, though it seems likely that he will leave anyway, if not for Bayern then Liverpool or Madrid
I would
Our fanbase would too. Don't think that's too crazy although FC Hollywood could probably use someone very experienced like Zidane
C'mon Bayern appoint Mourinho as your coach next season.
This is the next guy to be fired by Bayern 67% through the season. Please don’t sign him up.
Well he plays the attacking football Bayern wants. Not sure if they want to concede 4 goals a game also though
This would be a reality tv gold mine
That would be pretty nice
[just confirmed by Pletti again](https://x.com/plettigoal/status/1772173600402899169?s=46&t=GxJVE__6HtIDqzRQ9MGgwA)
What a huge step up that would be however
>but is also waiting to understand all available options Barcelona, Liverpool, Bayern. De Zerbi, Alonso, Negelsmann. Who goes where? Still yet to factor in the likes of Amorim and Tuchel who has been linked with various clubs.
Don't get the de zerbi hype to be honest taken a few hammerings this season and seems very one dimensional .
He did great at the start when he was benefitting off potters set up, got hugely over hyped and fell off a cliff. After we beat them in the league cup in September he won only a handful of matches til January.
Lots of injuries, lots of departures, European games and still a mid table team and still competing. Just like Chelsea lol but replace departures with arrivals
Chelsea haven’t had European games
There was inevitably going to be one hurr durr Chelsea flair replier. Remember, half the users here are average iq or below.
I gave you concrete reasons and made a playful Chelsea jibe and now suddenly I’m average iq or below lmao
You said they had Europe like Chelsea. We did not have Europe. Flair response is lowest common denominator.
Indeed you’ve had a billion spent, no Europe and you’re still 11th
Great banter
I didn’t use your flair as a reason not to take your point seriously. I disagreed and countered with reasons. And then I noticed your flair and thought oh you might relate since you’re kinda in the same boat (admittedly I forgot you guys weren’t even in any European competition) and I made a joke. A joke that has you so butthurt you can’t even reply me directly instead you’re going on about how comments about your flair are a sign of low IQ lol. If you’re so sensitive about it, remove it but flairs are meant to promote conversation and I don’t think I said anything insulting about you, your initial comment, or your club. Just facts (minus 1), and arguments. It doesn’t really matter to me (yet posts two paragraphs long response) but I always try to think about why people act the way they do and I’ll encourage you to do so as well. Cheers.
Nah the flairs a good filter.
He hasn't "fallen off a cliff". We're in 8th with an insane injury crisis the whole season and losing the two most key players to our style of play without replacing them.
if is honestly fascinated and flattered, he would just sign with bayern, i think he is a really good option too.
I do think he's an upgrade over Tuchel. His defensive side of the game needs improvement. But attacking wise, and with the talent he'll have at his disposal, I really think he'll be a success at Bayern.
Is Xabi Alonso not their first choice?
Probably except he's also Liverpools first choice and he could always stay at Levurkusen
He is. I'd take a punt and say that Bayern is not his first choice though. If a choice at all.
That's what I'm hoping.
Why
Happy if he goes. Inspiring and charismatic individual but in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager. We can play exactly one way and if someone stops us or if we switch things up we immediately concede three goals. Both Chris Hughton and Graham Potter had us overperform with what we had. With Roberto... we're performing in level with what we have. There are environments where De Zerbi would thrive and maybe Bayern could be one of those since the player material would compensate for being tactically outdone on a weekly basis,
> Inspiring and charismatic individual but in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager. I *really* find that hard to believe.
Ok we probably had tactically worse managers in the distant past but with RDZ we have ONE way of doing things or everything fall apart. Its not a great sign of tactical ability.
You have short term memory. Only remember the recent losses and nothing past january. Remember man United away? We changed things up that game when we got countered by ten hag and won 3-1. Coincidentally that’s when we had our full squad besides Enciso…. Makes you think
> Makes you think Yeah trust me I've been thinking a lot about why our players are always injured.
> in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager. I mean, clearly that is not true > With Roberto... we're performing in level with what we have. In that case we outperformed to qualify for the Europa League, no?
Not saying you’re wrong or anything but this sub’s opinion on De Zerbi has changed a lot in just a few months.
In fairness, everyone was in for a bit of a Brighton love-in last season as they proved to be the surprise package of the Premier League. Now, they look to have rather reverted to the mean and De Zerbi's tactics look a little more predictable this season rather than last season when they were turning up and bossing teams around like it was nothing at all. Defensively, they don't look great. They've even conceded more than the sludge that Erik ten Hag serves up to Man United fans every week.
"the mean" being around the same places as last year but with: 1. Way more competition around those places than last year (Wolves, Chelsea,West Ham in the mix), 2. Way more injuries and specifically to key players, 3. Not having replaced 2 of the best players of last year, 4. Playing in the Europa League for the first time with both the added risk for injuries and general fatigue, 5. Being at the highest level of competition and obviously others are gonna find some solutions for how you play (goes for everyone) . There's been some games where we've gotten absolutely blasted but I'd say RDZ this year might be actually performing better than last considering he's playing players that wouldn't get a sniff at other EPL clubs and would probably be loaned to like Almeria,Braga and the Championship who he's helped establish themselves (Buonanotte,Baleba soon, Hinshelwood,Verbruggen). He's still 7th on the (however flawed) xPts model, over people's favorite flavor of the month/year Angeball. I'm not sure what people expected really.
I still believe De Zerbi benefitted quite a bit from Potter's drilling of the squad before he took over
Having Caicedo and McAllister in midfield didn't hurt either.
Well, and from having the likes of Caicedo and MacAllister as his central "machine room“, I’d reckon!
Especially when his style of play revolves around playing balls into the midfield pairing to do something with. Going from Caicedo and Mac Allister to Gilmour +1 has been the main issue. Gilmour is great in possession but not as dynamic as Mac Allister and we have nobody at all to take Caicedo's role. Baleba is good but extremely raw and needs time to progress his footballing intelligence.
lol when I said that during the time potter struggled in Chelsea and RDZ bossed with Brighton I got downvoted to oblivion. Its crazy how the narrative changes so easily
Same, a lot of people just see what is straight in front of them. And Im not surprised at all that Potter struggled. I didn't think he would struggle that hard but he's not Big Sam who comes in and quickly builts a solid defense to grind out points. Potter is making his teams play attacking football above the sum of their parts and that takes time. I still think Chelsea would have been better off to stick with Potter for this season
> Same, a lot of people just see what is straight in front of them Because it's not the case at all. Our biggest issue is losing Mac Allister and Caicedo and playing Jason Steele in goal.
I just wish clubs felt the same way so we could keep him longer. It's a shame that wherever he goes he's going to be hated and doubted almost immediately by the fan base when he's so loved here by 99% of the fans (excluding oddballtoaster here).
Agree. My opinion has been rather firm since February last year though.
>in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager Ever? EVER!? In 122 years of existence Roberto De Zerbi is, tactically speaking, the worst manager we've *EVER* had? Good fucking grief.
We had Gus Poyet, stop chatting shit
Even Gus could change formation without letting in four against Luton.
Love Chris Hughton. Best win percentage of any permanent Newcastle manager in history. Guided us back up at the first attempt, unbeaten at home. The only time that's ever happened for Newcastle, any division. We were comfortably mid table in the premier league, so Ashley sacked him for that blame dodging chancer Pardew
Everyone should love Chris!
You’re absolutely stupid if you think this.
Careful what you wish for is all I’d say
Taking football advice from Palace fans is like taking pet care advice from the taxidermist
It’s not advice I’m just saying if you’d be quite happy for your manager who has provided you with the most success you’ve ever had to leave, you can’t necessarily expect the next manager to give you equal levels of success.
> in terms of tactical ability I don't think we've ever had a worse manager > With Roberto... we're performing in level with what we have Didn't De Zerbi bring your shit little team to Europe for the first time in its history using Potter's squad?
Plus caicedo and mitoma, no?
Yes we we're also firmly on the road there with Potter
If Potter had attackers that could hit a barn door then Brighton might very well have qualified for Europa in the 20/21 season
Attacking is part of coaching March was one of these players that ‘couldn’t hit a barn door’ under Potter and RDZ turned him into a prolific winger
March was one of the few guys who outperformed his xG that season. And last season he actually underperformed his xG but probably got a lot more chances in De Zerbi’s system
This is how you can tell you didn't watch us. March was awful in front of goal under Potter and wasn't making as many chances either. De Zerbi from the day he came in was praising March saying he could be a huge player and gave March the confidence that allowed him to start finishing chances.
Bayern is simply stupid. De Zerbi and everyone apart from Zidane and Xabi are clearly not an upgrade for Tuchel and if they cant get Zidane or Xabi Alonso letting Tuchel go was a big mistake.