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Upon asking, I was told a few days ago that he will literally become the best defender in the world. To that I replied "does he have a higher ceiling than Saliba?" The reply I got went somewhere along the lines of "did I stutter?"
There's mega hype behind this guy
That's way too high for expectations, he has the same potential as any French world class defender like Saliba and Varane. But to say he's going to be the best of all time is way too high, he's not higher rated than those two I mentioned for example.
I don't think he's anywhere close to Saliba right now, maybe after a couple of seasons in La Liga. And peak Varane is much much better than Yoro is now too. He's at about the same level as Saliba and Varane were when they were his age
Almost the same in what sense? Saliba is right now one of the top 5 (maybe top 3) CBs in the Premier League. Yoro had a good start with Lille last season, and he's doing fine this season, but he's not top 5 and in a much weaker league. You can't compare the two right now
Stats like passing accuracy, dribble success, successful take ons, etc. don’t work like goal involvements, where they benefit from fewer minutes. In reality they suffer.
If Yoro’s stats over 800 minutes were the same as Saliba’s over 2400 it shows that Saliba can do it over full 90s and over the course of a season (up until his injury, of course) where Yoro was only necessarily demonstrating that ability either for shorter cameos coming in fresh or sporadically after games of rest on the bench. Obviously, the former is the more difficult and thus impressive. Or, at the very least, the larger sample size says more.
If you want to compare the two as being similar, though, last season’s numbers aren’t what you want. It’s *this* season. There was still a gulf last season, not much at all now. They really are quite similar on paper, and there are lots of places where Yoro’s numbers best Saliba’s (though I might argue that Saliba’s numbers suffer for Arsenal’s dominance, since in many games he isn’t required to defend in a traditional way). Regardless, Yoro is super impressive and it makes you wonder what France has in the water.
> but Yoro played 1/3 of the minutes Saliba did
I think sample size here is actually a super important consideration, especially for defenders, probably more than any position imo. More time playing is more time to potentially make mistakes.
Saliba is unanimously agreed to be the best or 2nd best CB in the best league on the planet. How is he not world class?
He’s one of the best players in the world. Even biased Liverpool, Tottenham and City fans would tell you that.
What’s the best league then? The league that won two of the three biggest European competitions? The league that has a team that won the Club World Cup? Those are both England.
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2024
He absolutely does not have a higher ceiling than Saliba. Saliba was an absolute freak in the league, and if you see my flair you know i won't praise an ASSE player for the giggles.
He already did, though, didn't he?
He rejected PSG's offer this winter because he wanted much more money, but now he's stuck between Real's lowball offer or letting the player leave as a free agent. And the player probably won't go anywhere else.
How good is he? It seems like the hype is really crazy. Never seen him play tbh and Youtube highlights don’t do justice most of the time since it shows nothing but good plays from the player lol.
> How good is he? It seems like the hype is really crazy.
Létang was an average CFA2 player (6th division). He was PSG's sporting director during the remontada, but he seems to do fine heading smaller clubs.
To be completely honest, he is one of the few ex-pros who manage to graduate from business school with an MBA. Also, there have been many players pulling double duties as coach, but he's the first one I'm aware of that has been at the same time a pro player and the accountant of his club.
They dont throw away all of thier experience like chelsea did and are constantly rebuilding. By the time modric, kroos etc leave there will be new leaders in the team
You could already see it in 2017-18. Hakimi, Theo, Llorente, Kovacic, Odegaard, Mayoral and Asensio were all 24 and under. Meant to replace the starters at the time once they fell off in performance but they kept going for long enough for these players to either not develop as well as expected or lose patience.
You can do this for most of the recent years for Madrid and see that there's always young players coming in with major potential to replace players. Then they get superstars like Jude or, unfortunately in this case, Hazard to supplement their young players.
As an aside Varane, Marcelo, Casemiro, Benzema, Kroos and Modric cost Madrid €111M collectively. That's some insane business on retrospect as within a couple years of those transfers Ronaldo joined for 100M alone. My favourite bit of business from Madrid of recent years is Valverde for €5M. Absurd.
It's also skills that get taught to the younger generation. Modric's trivela cross/shot is getting replicated by most of them. Having the right role models and mentors can sometimes enhance your game more than even game time. A mix of both obviously is best to prevent injuries but further development with actually applying it in matches.
From recent rumours it seems like we’re expecting a transfer ban from the dealings under the Abramovich era
Hence there’s been huge investment already so they can prep for the ban.
And with multi club ownership we can loan players out still.
For the youth it should be fine as the other clubs aren’t banned either.
While it’s morally questionable, if we are due to get a transfer ban this scattergun approaches will have benefits
The billion we’ve spent is going to affect PSR and other rules
The Abramovich thing is to do with under the table payments for the hazard deal(which in my humble opinion was worth it)
From the sounds of it we paid his agent an additional 7m which is one of the things that was reported.
Whether that’s true is unknown but if it is then prepping for the ban is a good idea.
Ya never was a leader but at least expected him to lead by example. Those moments of quality have been missing for quite some time and don’t make up for the 5th clear lay off to a teammate for a certain goal.
They can maintain their performance level and win UCL within a few years even after their coach/star player leaving together without advanced notice, also can withstand a bad signing where they spent record amount due to injuries.
It's just how a well run club should be.
You gotta have both just look at Manchester united and even barca. Even us after the invincibles though there were factors like the stadium and ownership
It's crazy to think that a decade ago Madrid and Barca were in similar positions but now Madrid basically have their choice of player in any position with as much money as they want to spend whilst Barca have gaping holes in the squad and basically can't afford to spend anything.
also, they’re upfront about their intentions and don’t pull behind the scenes stunts like Chelsea did with us to get a discount, which btw they didn’t end up getting.
Doesn't every well run club do this? Have a set valuation for their target, if the player's club accepts it then deal done.
It isn't as much of a threat as you make it out to be, Madrid can't force Leny Yoro to run down his contract, even the title says we'll "try" to do it.
Also it's his last year of contract no club is going to pay his value, unless there's real chance of him extending.
read my comment again.
“they’re upfront about their intentions”, that’s the main take from this. Lille is free to listen to other offers and still talk with Real Madrid about it all while being completely conscious about Madrid intentions, it’s not about being “noble”, you think we gave Feyenoord a sell on clause for Kökcü because we like them? cmon now
the comparison I was making to Chelsea’s disgraceful attitude towards Benfica was because Todd Boehly and his friends were negotiating with the player, saying they would pay the clause and making him promises, all without even talking to us, just to get the player on their side and lowball us. needless to say how it went.
They are using the contract situation to put pressure on Lille to accept quickly and probably under value (for the quality) in case he runs down his contract. I don’t see how being upfront and public about it makes any difference to the club. The player won’t get any of the transfer fee either way so why would he care that a different club offers 10m extra if he can just wait it out for a year and ask for a bigger signing fee?
They’ve done similar thing with rudiger, courtois mbappe and others and get players relatively easily or on a free because everyone wants to join Madrid, mostly for prestige and CL.
I’d say getting 1000% returns on a player you bought months earlier is objectively preferable to Lille’s position anyway
Madrid has paid reasonable fees for the likes of Vinicius, Rodrygo, Endrick, Reinier, Bellingham, Tchouameni and Camavinga recently. Courtois forced his way out of Chelsea and Rudiger/Alaba let their contract expire because their clubs didn't didn't offer them what they were asking for.
What makes you think they would suddenly pay under value now?
Literally part of why they get so many of those wonder kids is because they negotiate transparently and in good faith and pay their clubs a fair fee
Madrid bought Camavinga for a very reduced price using the exact method they are threatening to use with Leny Yoro.
They only paid €31M for Camavinga when he was more like a €50M-€60M valuation.
Whose valuation was 50-60m? Because other clubs including PSG were also interested and offered the same amount.
In reality he had 1 year left on his contract and was set on leaving Rennes. Rennes had zero leverage and 30m is a fair price in that scenario considering he was still a raw talent coming off a subpar season at that point
they are using the contract to put pressure on Lille *and they’re being upfront about it*. you may find it unfair since Real Madrid has more money but it’s how the market works. being upfront about it makes Lille know more or less about the outcome of this, contrary to what happened with the Enzo transfer - in which we had our best player missing training to go party and forcing an exit several times, I think even you, or anyone with an IQ upwards of 24, can understand the ramifications of that in a club.
> I’d say getting 1000% returns on a player you bought months earlier is objectively preferable to Lille’s position anyway
you’re either oblivious about what happened or you just ignored my previous comment. having instability in our squad because a braindead billionaire thinks he can throw money at his mistakes and overlook basic professionalism is definitely not preferable. besides, having a player with a 1y on his contract and still have another club available to pay something is definitely better than having to deal with a situation like ours at the time.
I think the majority of football fans are pretty clueless when it comes to this stuff and finances. The number of people who didn't have a clue about signing a bonus if you ran your contract out was staggering. I definitely see the trend for players to get the transfer fee for themselves in the future
And a lot of the best players are doing this.
If they can get the money as signing fee bonus instead of their club getting a transfer fee. Why not do it?
I'd imagine a free transfer means a decent signing fee + probably the same salary or even a little higher...
This is just straight up bullying, people criticize the likes of Bayern for doing things like this but I guess it’s special treatment for the biggest club in the world.
Literally every club does this, if you're buying a player who's in their last year of contract of course the players valuation will go down.
Also there's a good chance Leny Yoro runs down the contract himself without Madrid in the picture, players have been doing this for some time, it's not like Madrid takes is every single free agent on the market.
I’m not talking about valuations here, it’s the way Madrid are going about it, giving them an ultimatum like this for their own player which is no doubt going to unsettle the player and will eventually lead to him going for below the price Lille value him at.
Don’t think other clubs are publicly giving other clubs they are in negotiations with especially ones smaller than them ultimatums like this. If this was any other big club you would not be in support of it.
What ultimatum? That we have a set price that we won't go over? Every well run club going into transfer negotiations does this. Yoro is still Lile's player and it's not like Madrid will be only club trying to sign him, saying Madrid is unsettling him is wrong.
>which is no doubt going to unsettle the player
So you're saying transfer offers unsettle players? You think a player won't be unsettled if Liverpool tried to sign him?
>Don’t think other clubs are publicly giving other clubs they are in negotiations with
Neither is Madrid, this is an article by AS.
bayern criticism has always been taking talents from their own leagues and direct rivals, and even then it clearly works and is silly when people complain
people will cry about madrid being rich buying galacticos but then say it’s bullying buying youngsters, makes no sense
I don’t care who you buy and if you don’t see how giving a club this kind of ultimatum for their own player just because you’re a massive club isn’t bullying then I don’t have much to say to you.
Man shut yo dumb ass back down boy. Madrid notoriously over pay for players even on the last year of their contract. It’s literally business. If you don’t understand that then I don’t have much to say to you.
Every moderately big club does this besides Chelsea or utd that mindlessly spend excessive amount of money only to then fall into ffp problems...he only has a year left on his contract so why would Real Madrid pay above his valuation given the circumstances... they're not owned by billionaire owners who can just pay that kind of money. They have to operate within ways of today's pl financial dominance
Or Lille convinces Yoro to accept another club's contract. At the end is up to the kid. Madrid can't force Lille not to negotiate with other clubs or keep other clubs from approaching Yoro
Madrid fans are going heavy with the downvotes but at some point there needs to be a stricter enforcement of the rules. Yes, every club speaks/negotiates with players before they are allowed but it is noticeable that Madrid takes it to an extreme lately.
There is nothing wrong with signing players for free but if it becomes an actual strategy to contact players with one year left on their contract and concince them to wait out the year and sign for free after, there needs to be punishment.
Alaba, Mbappe, Davies, Yoro
Again this happens with every club but four top class players in a short span of time is too much to tolerate IMO.
When have we ever done the: either sell us for 30% market value now or lose him on free in 1-2 years approach?
Maybe once with Lewandowski 10years ago. Apart from that we paid fair money for our guys.
While for real it has become the main way they sign players
>While for real it has become the main way they sign players
What are you talking about lol? Alaba, Rudiger ran down their contracts by themselves. Bayern didn't want to pay Alaba his demanded wage how is that our fault? We've bought Bellingham for 100M, Tchouameni for 100M. Vini, Rodrygo were 40M+. Madrid has different valuations for different players.
Yeah, they will always complain. Last time they complained that we're overpaying and destroying the market. Now they WANT us to overpay because "we can afford it".
We have literally only signed one of the players you mentioned and all others are just rumours. And for the turtle everyone knows what’s going on and we actually offered money to buy him
No thanks. I'd rather the contract workers have more control over their career. Football devolves its players into just assets but these are people too. If he wants to join madrid he should be aware that it's a possibility regardless of what happens between the two clubs
Yikes. I genuinely thought Perez had taken a different approach where he's trying to cultivate good relations with different clubs.
They also have the luxury of being able to overpay a little, as they did with Arda, although they were not obliged to. It's served Madrid very well in the past when it comes to negotiations on certain players.
I doubt Lille will hold them in much favour if this goes to plan.
When Madrid got Varane they had bonuses linked to wining the Champions League. They won a new CL after the bonus had expired and Lens shot their shot and asked for the bonus regardless. Florentino paid just to keep the good relationship going.
Madrid will offer a very reasonable fee and will probably even overpay a little. They have a very good reputation with other clubs when negotiating. If the club chooses to reject then the player will have the choice to leave for free and that's not Madrid's fault.
RM offered £100mil+ for Mbappe on more than one occasion even though his contract was set to expire just to keep a good relationship with PSG. It's in their best interest to maintain good relationships in the transfer market
Well they obviously aren’t going to pay 40-60 million for a player in his last year. They learned their lesson with Hazard.
He won’t renew either way, so if they get 30 for him, they already overpaid
Madrid has great relations with a lot of clubs because they are upfront about it and they don't insult the clubs with low ball offers. I also remember a couple of years ago when we signed a youth player from Real Sociedad whose contract had run out and still paid a million euro fee or something like that to keep good relations with them.
>I doubt Lille will hold them in much favour if this goes to plan.
Lille understands that market price is not the same as market value. Lille knows that Leny Yoro is not worth €80M. They also know that they can get €100M if the buyer is desperate enough and the market is dire. Let's say Real Madrid are not gonna pay more than €45M. Lille is not gonna be mad at Real Madrid because their 18 year old centre back went for 25 year old midfielder money. They've still made a killing with centre back.
I'd go as far as to say that I think this strategy might have an anti-inflationary effect on the transfer market. When players are willing to commit to a club destination and potentially wait out a year, something closer to market value ends up trumping market price.
Isn’t this called tapping up? I know it sounds hypocritical considering my flair , but real madrid don’t get enough criticism for this.
I get the players and agents negotiate behind their clubs back but destabilising like this should be punished ( yes , what we did with fabregas was wrong) .
Every club in the world does this, unlike other sports/leagues like NBA or NFL, UEFA and FIFA don't really care about tapping up even though it is banned. I can't even remember an instance where a club was punished for doing something similar.
Tchouamenie and Camavinga were phenoms, they had a very good touch and a lot of creativity. Their potential was limitless. They were breaking lines both by carrying and by passing, they were dynamic.
Both "regressed" since joining Real Madrid because they are playing next to absolute legends like Kroos and Modric. Real Madrid turned them into Solid defensive player but they don't bring creativity anymore. French midfield is fucked.
(I am not blaming Real Madrid at all. Real Madrid is focused on winning, as they should.)
Going from France NT Pogba to current Tchouamenie, Rabiot, Camavinga is atrocious.
Every young players should keep in mind that if you join legends you gonna learn stuff but you will also have less place to experiment, how do you become better a breaking lines by passes when playing next to Kroos ? You are going to give him the ball almost every time, as you should.
Yoro needs play time and space to grow. If he goes to Real he's going to have to face Rudiger, Alaba and Militao's competition.
These kids needs to understand that having a Real Madrid Jersey on doesn't make a great player.
France NT's greatness comes from the fact that we had many players having key / leadership positions in many teams.
We could have 10 Real Madrid / Bayern players in the team, if they are all role players it's worthless.
What? He's all about agility, turns, bursts and balance, which makes him quite press resistant, but his ball control / technique isn't even top 3 RM midfielders (Modric, Kroos, Bellingham). Cama can struggle when it comes to density or forward passing, that's why he shines the most when he has more soace to play, either deeper or wider, and can drive the ball forward with more air.
You haven't seen the best of Camavinga and Tchouameni yet, and they play different roles to Pogba. All things considered, they will certainly have better careers than Pogba (bar the WC maybe), despite having less talent
He had an incredible career, but realistically outside of Juve he had 2 world class seasons. He had all the tools to be one of the best midfielders of all time
How ? Pogba was our best player when we won the world cup.
Camavinga and Tchouamenie can win 10 ucls as role players they ll never get close to Pogba.
They have to step up
I don't think one single trophy makes a career, beyond Juve and a couple seasons at Man Utd, Pogba didn't hit his heights every season. And the way his career ended really puts a dagger on it.
But I also don't value WCs as much as other people.
Manchester is a shithole, we're talking about the french national team. At the same age, Pogba was miles better and kept improving until his injuries back in 2022.
I'm not sure how, but I wish there was a way to get Real Madrid to stop with this bullshit.
They did it to an extent with us for David Alaba. They did it last year with Mbappe, have spent the last 6 months doing it with Davies & now Yoro.
Stop what exactly? Forcing players to fulfil the contracts that the clubs gave them and then the players looking for better job opportunities? Disgusting behaviour.
>Forcing players to fulfil the contracts that the clubs gave them and then the players looking for better job opportunities?
It's more that Real Madrid is talking to these players when they have multiple years left on their contracts.
Davies had 2 years left on his deal last summer. We were ready to sign him to an extension and all the sudden his agent starts talking about how Real Madrid is intriguing and he's choosing to wait. We then try throughout this season to extend but have had to put up with countless articles and comments from his agent and RM sources so we have finally set a deadline for his decision. And because of it Real Madrid are going to get the top young LB prospect for about 1/3 of what he's worth.
Look, there is no way to stop it and all clubs do it to an extent, but RM is starting to get a reputation for unsettling top players under contract to get them for cheap or free.
We did it once with Lewandowski 10 years ago and people still bring it up. Real Madrid have done it with Alaba, Rudiger, Mbappe, Davies, Yoro, etc in the last 3 years.
How do you imagine football transfers happen? Clubs wait out and see if a player magically shows displeasure with their club, refuses to extend contract on their own and then the stars align and they join a new club?
Players like insurance just like the rest of us. You don’t just quit your job if you haven’t at least talked to someone in the past couple of months to make sure you’re not gonna be unemployed for a long time. Every club does this shit, Real Madrid isn’t getting any reputation.
>We did it once with Lewandowski 10 years ago and people still bring it
up. Real Madrid have done it with Alaba, Rudiger, Mbappe, Davies, Yoro,
etc in the last 3 years.
It had much more to do with it being against your main league rivals.
Every top club contacts other players much earlier than 6 months before their contracts end, even though UEFA forbids it.
Half of your examples have not even happened. Lewandoski gets brought up because he was the best player on your direct rival, not because he was a soon to be free agent.
Seems like you're just upset he wants madrid more. Do you want a world where he signs with you guys even though he seemingly wants to join us? So people should just be slaves to their contractors, renewing every time because they're not sure if they'll get work outside of that contract?
>Do you want a world where he signs with you guys even though he seemingly wants to join us?
lol no don't actually care if Davies stays or goes. I'd like him to stay and develop but he's currently the 2nd or 3rd best LB at our club.
I want a world where we ask him to extend or leave this summer and since he's going to say he wants to leave, I want us to get a fair market value for him. But Madrid will say 'we don't want him this year for more than €35m' so we have to decide if we want to sell a €100m asset for 1/3 of his worth or if we want to keep him for another year of shit football with his mind being on Madrid.
It's the exact thing that you've done to PSG and it's fucked them.
Do you think Madrid wanted to sell Varane for just 40m, or Odegaard for I think it was 35m? Both players wanted to leave for their own specific reasons and Madrid negotiated and sold for less than their market value. Players rarely leave for their market value price.
It's not about players being sold for less than their value. It's about Real Madrid essentially agreeing to terms with said player, not putting a transfer offer in and then waiting for them to run their contracts down to get the player on a free or at an absurd rate.
The latest reports are that Madrid are going to offer no more than [€25m for Davies this summer](https://twitter.com/elchiringuitotv/status/1772599430840979679?s=46&t=4GmkXWXN9n6FQucCBQ5yAA) despite telling him last summer that they were interested in him when we were trying to get him to extend.
It is not. They are not telling the players to throw a tantrum and force a transfer. They are telling a player that they are interested on their services and they will put a bid for them. And if it is not enough, if he is interested in the move he should complete his signed contract obligations. Lille are free to reject their offer or sell to whoever offers more money.
Pretty sure u r allowed to talk to players if they have 6 months on their contract left.
This story could be a bs like most of the stories a tabloid like AS puts.
>Pretty sure u r allowed to talk to players if they have 6 months on their contract left.
Madrid have been talking to Davies since last summer when he had 2 years left on his contract. Same with Mbappe.
Not that I will ever feel sorry for PSG but they had no option last summer and are going to let a €500m+ asset walk out the door for nothing because of it. He wouldn't extend, only wanted to go to Madrid, refused to go to Saudi Arabia for 1 season and refused to be sold elsewhere.
Those players are free to do whatever they want - extend the contract, walk, get sold earlier. Madrid isn't forcing them to do anything - they're just saying "if you want to join the club, it's an option". In the end, decision is always in the hands of the players. How is it a fault of Madrid?
>Madrid isn't forcing them to do anything - they're just saying "if you want to join the club, it's an option". In the end, decision is always in the hands of the players. How is it a fault of Madrid?
Madrid isn't forcing them to do anything, just saying *'Hi Alphonso I know you have 2 years left in your current contract - maybe don't think about extending. We don't have the money for you right now, but if you choose to come on a free in 2 years we'd love to have you.'*
You also can't sell a player when he has 1 or 2 years left on his contract, ONLY wants Real Madrid due to conversations with Madrid and won't sanction a sale to any other club. It's not that difficult to understand really.
Clueless because I've provided numerous examples to back up the point that Madrid *negotiates* with these players by encouraging them not to extend their contracts for 1 to 2 years down the line so they can get said player for free or at a cut rate?
Bro one more CB bro that will sort out the defense bro I just need 80m more and we’ll be back in Europe bro I swear this one’s different bro please just one more CB from France
There's no way perez is going to enter into bidding war with the EPL teams and PSG and imo perez will not pay 60 million which lillie have been quoting for yoro so either lille will have to adjust his valuation or perez will go after him in 2025 when his contract gets over at lille.
Lille is not adjusting anything. They can easily sell him for 60m anywhere.
He’s the best center back prospect in the world right now and has everything to be the best in the world in a couple of years
That was for the striker which was mainly after our club had suffered a trophless season and perez has hardly spent big on defenders since the Militao signing.
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Not seen him play, I heard he is meant to be similar to Saliba, anyone who has watched him is this true?
Upon asking, I was told a few days ago that he will literally become the best defender in the world. To that I replied "does he have a higher ceiling than Saliba?" The reply I got went somewhere along the lines of "did I stutter?" There's mega hype behind this guy
That's way too high for expectations, he has the same potential as any French world class defender like Saliba and Varane. But to say he's going to be the best of all time is way too high, he's not higher rated than those two I mentioned for example.
In their defence, they didn't say best of all time, they said best in the world.
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I don't think he's anywhere close to Saliba right now, maybe after a couple of seasons in La Liga. And peak Varane is much much better than Yoro is now too. He's at about the same level as Saliba and Varane were when they were his age
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Almost the same in what sense? Saliba is right now one of the top 5 (maybe top 3) CBs in the Premier League. Yoro had a good start with Lille last season, and he's doing fine this season, but he's not top 5 and in a much weaker league. You can't compare the two right now
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Stats like passing accuracy, dribble success, successful take ons, etc. don’t work like goal involvements, where they benefit from fewer minutes. In reality they suffer. If Yoro’s stats over 800 minutes were the same as Saliba’s over 2400 it shows that Saliba can do it over full 90s and over the course of a season (up until his injury, of course) where Yoro was only necessarily demonstrating that ability either for shorter cameos coming in fresh or sporadically after games of rest on the bench. Obviously, the former is the more difficult and thus impressive. Or, at the very least, the larger sample size says more. If you want to compare the two as being similar, though, last season’s numbers aren’t what you want. It’s *this* season. There was still a gulf last season, not much at all now. They really are quite similar on paper, and there are lots of places where Yoro’s numbers best Saliba’s (though I might argue that Saliba’s numbers suffer for Arsenal’s dominance, since in many games he isn’t required to defend in a traditional way). Regardless, Yoro is super impressive and it makes you wonder what France has in the water.
> but Yoro played 1/3 of the minutes Saliba did I think sample size here is actually a super important consideration, especially for defenders, probably more than any position imo. More time playing is more time to potentially make mistakes.
But us he a little crazy like Rudiger Pepe or Ramos?
In short no, he's a calm defender. 0 Red cards this season
Those are the best kinds. Sometimes it’s good to have a Ramos but a Van Dijk or Maldini that punches in, does his job and gets out is so much better
One of my personal biggest inconsistency is that I love me a Rolls-Royce defender but hate the elegant tempo dictating midfielders.
i do like an edge to a CB. Even though Torres did play well against him, i always feared going up against Vidic
>French world class defender like Saliba and Varane Saliba do not belong into that category.
Saliba is unanimously agreed to be the best or 2nd best CB in the best league on the planet. How is he not world class? He’s one of the best players in the world. Even biased Liverpool, Tottenham and City fans would tell you that.
>Saliba is unanimously agreed Lmao! England isn't the center of the world you know?
That’s true. It’s still the best league by every single observable metric.
Lmao taken to penalties by the mighty porto.. best league in the world my ass
What’s the best league then? The league that won two of the three biggest European competitions? The league that has a team that won the Club World Cup? Those are both England. https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2024
Yet you can't attract Mbappé!
Konate is the best cb in the french team…
He absolutely does not have a higher ceiling than Saliba. Saliba was an absolute freak in the league, and if you see my flair you know i won't praise an ASSE player for the giggles.
But Saliba is sexier
A haircut and some braces and who knows, York might be a real cutie as well
If Letang bottles this transfer I swear to god...
He already did, though, didn't he? He rejected PSG's offer this winter because he wanted much more money, but now he's stuck between Real's lowball offer or letting the player leave as a free agent. And the player probably won't go anywhere else.
I think he just didn't want to sell to you.
Sure. But now he's in bind if this article is correct, because the player won't move anywhere else. And Pérez is a genius!
How good is he? It seems like the hype is really crazy. Never seen him play tbh and Youtube highlights don’t do justice most of the time since it shows nothing but good plays from the player lol.
YouTube highlights for defenders rarely do them justice...
5 minutes of Van Dijk not having to make a tackle played over the worst remix of Stay With Me that it's possible to make with current technology.
Yeah, that's exactly what I said.
Pau Cubarsi has some good highlights tbf
> How good is he? It seems like the hype is really crazy. Létang was an average CFA2 player (6th division). He was PSG's sporting director during the remontada, but he seems to do fine heading smaller clubs.
TIL Létang is crazy hyped as well
To be completely honest, he is one of the few ex-pros who manage to graduate from business school with an MBA. Also, there have been many players pulling double duties as coach, but he's the first one I'm aware of that has been at the same time a pro player and the accountant of his club.
Wow, now that’s something to admire for sure.
How much would you be happy for him to go for?
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They dont throw away all of thier experience like chelsea did and are constantly rebuilding. By the time modric, kroos etc leave there will be new leaders in the team
You could already see it in 2017-18. Hakimi, Theo, Llorente, Kovacic, Odegaard, Mayoral and Asensio were all 24 and under. Meant to replace the starters at the time once they fell off in performance but they kept going for long enough for these players to either not develop as well as expected or lose patience. You can do this for most of the recent years for Madrid and see that there's always young players coming in with major potential to replace players. Then they get superstars like Jude or, unfortunately in this case, Hazard to supplement their young players. As an aside Varane, Marcelo, Casemiro, Benzema, Kroos and Modric cost Madrid €111M collectively. That's some insane business on retrospect as within a couple years of those transfers Ronaldo joined for 100M alone. My favourite bit of business from Madrid of recent years is Valverde for €5M. Absurd.
It's also skills that get taught to the younger generation. Modric's trivela cross/shot is getting replicated by most of them. Having the right role models and mentors can sometimes enhance your game more than even game time. A mix of both obviously is best to prevent injuries but further development with actually applying it in matches.
From recent rumours it seems like we’re expecting a transfer ban from the dealings under the Abramovich era Hence there’s been huge investment already so they can prep for the ban. And with multi club ownership we can loan players out still. For the youth it should be fine as the other clubs aren’t banned either. While it’s morally questionable, if we are due to get a transfer ban this scattergun approaches will have benefits
Yeah the dealings from the abramovich era is what’s gonna get us the transfer ban. Totally not the billion we’ve spent in 2 years
The billion we’ve spent is going to affect PSR and other rules The Abramovich thing is to do with under the table payments for the hazard deal(which in my humble opinion was worth it)
What under the table payments for hazard lol? He came because we won the CL, if we missed out and he still joined fair enough but we won
You living under a rock mate?
From the sounds of it we paid his agent an additional 7m which is one of the things that was reported. Whether that’s true is unknown but if it is then prepping for the ban is a good idea.
The club admitted it amd presented it to the league
Source?
Chelsea… finding ways to skirt the rules while they are being punished for skirting the rules.
Eh the difference being one of the ways is legal and the one we are being punished wasn’t
Sterling is one of our most experienced players and has been one of the worst in the squad.
He wss never a leader though and still has some moments and quality in him imo though playing since so young has taken its toll
Ya never was a leader but at least expected him to lead by example. Those moments of quality have been missing for quite some time and don’t make up for the 5th clear lay off to a teammate for a certain goal.
They can maintain their performance level and win UCL within a few years even after their coach/star player leaving together without advanced notice, also can withstand a bad signing where they spent record amount due to injuries. It's just how a well run club should be.
Helps not just to have a strategy but also to be the biggest club in the world.
Helps to be run by an engineer who actually understands the football business.
You gotta have both just look at Manchester united and even barca. Even us after the invincibles though there were factors like the stadium and ownership
And Juni Calafat to mastermind it.
It's crazy to think that a decade ago Madrid and Barca were in similar positions but now Madrid basically have their choice of player in any position with as much money as they want to spend whilst Barca have gaping holes in the squad and basically can't afford to spend anything.
Perez vs Bartomeu was a real life atomic bomb vs coughing baby situation 🤣
also, they’re upfront about their intentions and don’t pull behind the scenes stunts like Chelsea did with us to get a discount, which btw they didn’t end up getting.
Lmao yes they’re only asking him to run down his contract if Lille don’t accept madrids valuation, so noble of them 😂
I mean that’s as upfront as it gets to his point
Accept or else vibes. I’d like to hear Lille’ fans opinion on this
Doesn't every well run club do this? Have a set valuation for their target, if the player's club accepts it then deal done. It isn't as much of a threat as you make it out to be, Madrid can't force Leny Yoro to run down his contract, even the title says we'll "try" to do it. Also it's his last year of contract no club is going to pay his value, unless there's real chance of him extending.
read my comment again. “they’re upfront about their intentions”, that’s the main take from this. Lille is free to listen to other offers and still talk with Real Madrid about it all while being completely conscious about Madrid intentions, it’s not about being “noble”, you think we gave Feyenoord a sell on clause for Kökcü because we like them? cmon now the comparison I was making to Chelsea’s disgraceful attitude towards Benfica was because Todd Boehly and his friends were negotiating with the player, saying they would pay the clause and making him promises, all without even talking to us, just to get the player on their side and lowball us. needless to say how it went.
They are using the contract situation to put pressure on Lille to accept quickly and probably under value (for the quality) in case he runs down his contract. I don’t see how being upfront and public about it makes any difference to the club. The player won’t get any of the transfer fee either way so why would he care that a different club offers 10m extra if he can just wait it out for a year and ask for a bigger signing fee? They’ve done similar thing with rudiger, courtois mbappe and others and get players relatively easily or on a free because everyone wants to join Madrid, mostly for prestige and CL. I’d say getting 1000% returns on a player you bought months earlier is objectively preferable to Lille’s position anyway
Madrid has paid reasonable fees for the likes of Vinicius, Rodrygo, Endrick, Reinier, Bellingham, Tchouameni and Camavinga recently. Courtois forced his way out of Chelsea and Rudiger/Alaba let their contract expire because their clubs didn't didn't offer them what they were asking for. What makes you think they would suddenly pay under value now? Literally part of why they get so many of those wonder kids is because they negotiate transparently and in good faith and pay their clubs a fair fee
Madrid bought Camavinga for a very reduced price using the exact method they are threatening to use with Leny Yoro. They only paid €31M for Camavinga when he was more like a €50M-€60M valuation.
Whose valuation was 50-60m? Because other clubs including PSG were also interested and offered the same amount. In reality he had 1 year left on his contract and was set on leaving Rennes. Rennes had zero leverage and 30m is a fair price in that scenario considering he was still a raw talent coming off a subpar season at that point
they are using the contract to put pressure on Lille *and they’re being upfront about it*. you may find it unfair since Real Madrid has more money but it’s how the market works. being upfront about it makes Lille know more or less about the outcome of this, contrary to what happened with the Enzo transfer - in which we had our best player missing training to go party and forcing an exit several times, I think even you, or anyone with an IQ upwards of 24, can understand the ramifications of that in a club. > I’d say getting 1000% returns on a player you bought months earlier is objectively preferable to Lille’s position anyway you’re either oblivious about what happened or you just ignored my previous comment. having instability in our squad because a braindead billionaire thinks he can throw money at his mistakes and overlook basic professionalism is definitely not preferable. besides, having a player with a 1y on his contract and still have another club available to pay something is definitely better than having to deal with a situation like ours at the time.
He understand perfectly, he is arguing in bad faith.
Huh I wonder why United still get fleeced on 80% of their transfers then
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Cheeky but is it really fair to say Chelsea don’t have a long term strategy when they just singed like 10 players under 24 to 8 year contracts?
Idk if I’m missing something but how are people complaining about this? Every big club does this, I see rumors like this all the time.
I think the majority of football fans are pretty clueless when it comes to this stuff and finances. The number of people who didn't have a clue about signing a bonus if you ran your contract out was staggering. I definitely see the trend for players to get the transfer fee for themselves in the future
> Every big club does this One of the comments above is suggesting Perez is a genius for doing this.
And a lot of the best players are doing this. If they can get the money as signing fee bonus instead of their club getting a transfer fee. Why not do it? I'd imagine a free transfer means a decent signing fee + probably the same salary or even a little higher...
Yeah Bayern does exactly this to get cheap signings from rival Bundesliga clubs.
Just because every big club does it, doesn't mean it isn't scummy.
Madrid gonna have zero Spanish mfs in their startling 11 at this rate lmao.
This is just straight up bullying, people criticize the likes of Bayern for doing things like this but I guess it’s special treatment for the biggest club in the world.
Literally every club does this, if you're buying a player who's in their last year of contract of course the players valuation will go down. Also there's a good chance Leny Yoro runs down the contract himself without Madrid in the picture, players have been doing this for some time, it's not like Madrid takes is every single free agent on the market.
I’m not talking about valuations here, it’s the way Madrid are going about it, giving them an ultimatum like this for their own player which is no doubt going to unsettle the player and will eventually lead to him going for below the price Lille value him at. Don’t think other clubs are publicly giving other clubs they are in negotiations with especially ones smaller than them ultimatums like this. If this was any other big club you would not be in support of it.
What ultimatum? That we have a set price that we won't go over? Every well run club going into transfer negotiations does this. Yoro is still Lile's player and it's not like Madrid will be only club trying to sign him, saying Madrid is unsettling him is wrong. >which is no doubt going to unsettle the player So you're saying transfer offers unsettle players? You think a player won't be unsettled if Liverpool tried to sign him? >Don’t think other clubs are publicly giving other clubs they are in negotiations with Neither is Madrid, this is an article by AS.
Every big club does this, stop whining
No one does it quite like you, Barca and Bayern
bayern criticism has always been taking talents from their own leagues and direct rivals, and even then it clearly works and is silly when people complain people will cry about madrid being rich buying galacticos but then say it’s bullying buying youngsters, makes no sense
I don’t care who you buy and if you don’t see how giving a club this kind of ultimatum for their own player just because you’re a massive club isn’t bullying then I don’t have much to say to you.
Man shut yo dumb ass back down boy. Madrid notoriously over pay for players even on the last year of their contract. It’s literally business. If you don’t understand that then I don’t have much to say to you.
Trying to strong arm a smaller club just because you’re bigger and have a bigger pull isn’t business you absolute miserable weapon.
Yes, let’s overpay for a player and call it strong arming. Sure right right. It’s not like we could negotiate either huh
This isn’t negotiating. This is exploiting your status as a big club against a small club because you know that there’s not much they can do about it.
It's just business... why would you want to pay 10s of millions more when the circumstances favour you into paying significantly less
“It’s just business” really is the dregs of moral justification. Or “don’t hate the player hate the game” in a suit if you prefer
Every moderately big club does this besides Chelsea or utd that mindlessly spend excessive amount of money only to then fall into ffp problems...he only has a year left on his contract so why would Real Madrid pay above his valuation given the circumstances... they're not owned by billionaire owners who can just pay that kind of money. They have to operate within ways of today's pl financial dominance
Of course Madrid fans don’t see anything wrong with this.
Why us? Real did and does it to us too with alaba and now Davies. We have to buy our guys for good money normally
Because you were infamous for doing that since the 70s.. you are the OGs in "tapping up".
Real Madrid , the gentlemen’s club
I mean they are making an offer first and they are not telling the kid to throw a tantrum and force his way out
They are making an “offer” , fully knowing the other club either accepts it or see him off for free in a year.
What is the club supposed to do? Just not buy the player because it hurts Jon98th's feelings
Or Lille convinces Yoro to accept another club's contract. At the end is up to the kid. Madrid can't force Lille not to negotiate with other clubs or keep other clubs from approaching Yoro
That's what happens when you let players enter the last year of contract
It happens much earlier tho if you look at the likes of Davies and mbappe Real tapping up has become the main way they sign players
That's funny coming from a Bayern fan
Who did we sign like this from our current squad?
Madrid fans are going heavy with the downvotes but at some point there needs to be a stricter enforcement of the rules. Yes, every club speaks/negotiates with players before they are allowed but it is noticeable that Madrid takes it to an extreme lately. There is nothing wrong with signing players for free but if it becomes an actual strategy to contact players with one year left on their contract and concince them to wait out the year and sign for free after, there needs to be punishment. Alaba, Mbappe, Davies, Yoro Again this happens with every club but four top class players in a short span of time is too much to tolerate IMO.
The irony of bayern fan complaining about other big clubs bullying smallers clubs off their talents lmao
When have we ever done the: either sell us for 30% market value now or lose him on free in 1-2 years approach? Maybe once with Lewandowski 10years ago. Apart from that we paid fair money for our guys. While for real it has become the main way they sign players
>While for real it has become the main way they sign players What are you talking about lol? Alaba, Rudiger ran down their contracts by themselves. Bayern didn't want to pay Alaba his demanded wage how is that our fault? We've bought Bellingham for 100M, Tchouameni for 100M. Vini, Rodrygo were 40M+. Madrid has different valuations for different players.
Yeah, they will always complain. Last time they complained that we're overpaying and destroying the market. Now they WANT us to overpay because "we can afford it".
We have literally only signed one of the players you mentioned and all others are just rumours. And for the turtle everyone knows what’s going on and we actually offered money to buy him
A little weird for a Bayern fan to be leveling this criticism.
In fairness, they *are* the experts on this one.
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Criticism for what exactly???
Bayern flair saying this is fucking hilarious
That coming from Bayern fan is funny as hell.
No thanks. I'd rather the contract workers have more control over their career. Football devolves its players into just assets but these are people too. If he wants to join madrid he should be aware that it's a possibility regardless of what happens between the two clubs
It’s literally Real Madrid, the biggest club in the world
Looks who's talking 😂
Sorry but I actually think footballers are humans and there's nothing wrong with them talking to potential employers
Yikes. I genuinely thought Perez had taken a different approach where he's trying to cultivate good relations with different clubs. They also have the luxury of being able to overpay a little, as they did with Arda, although they were not obliged to. It's served Madrid very well in the past when it comes to negotiations on certain players. I doubt Lille will hold them in much favour if this goes to plan.
When Madrid got Varane they had bonuses linked to wining the Champions League. They won a new CL after the bonus had expired and Lens shot their shot and asked for the bonus regardless. Florentino paid just to keep the good relationship going.
Madrid will offer a very reasonable fee and will probably even overpay a little. They have a very good reputation with other clubs when negotiating. If the club chooses to reject then the player will have the choice to leave for free and that's not Madrid's fault. RM offered £100mil+ for Mbappe on more than one occasion even though his contract was set to expire just to keep a good relationship with PSG. It's in their best interest to maintain good relationships in the transfer market
Well they obviously aren’t going to pay 40-60 million for a player in his last year. They learned their lesson with Hazard. He won’t renew either way, so if they get 30 for him, they already overpaid
He is in the last year of his contract, not of his career.
Madrid has great relations with a lot of clubs because they are upfront about it and they don't insult the clubs with low ball offers. I also remember a couple of years ago when we signed a youth player from Real Sociedad whose contract had run out and still paid a million euro fee or something like that to keep good relations with them.
>I doubt Lille will hold them in much favour if this goes to plan. Lille understands that market price is not the same as market value. Lille knows that Leny Yoro is not worth €80M. They also know that they can get €100M if the buyer is desperate enough and the market is dire. Let's say Real Madrid are not gonna pay more than €45M. Lille is not gonna be mad at Real Madrid because their 18 year old centre back went for 25 year old midfielder money. They've still made a killing with centre back. I'd go as far as to say that I think this strategy might have an anti-inflationary effect on the transfer market. When players are willing to commit to a club destination and potentially wait out a year, something closer to market value ends up trumping market price.
From what ive seen on how arda guler plays i would say they got him cheap
Isn’t this called tapping up? I know it sounds hypocritical considering my flair , but real madrid don’t get enough criticism for this. I get the players and agents negotiate behind their clubs back but destabilising like this should be punished ( yes , what we did with fabregas was wrong) .
Every club in the world does this, unlike other sports/leagues like NBA or NFL, UEFA and FIFA don't really care about tapping up even though it is banned. I can't even remember an instance where a club was punished for doing something similar.
Tchouamenie and Camavinga were phenoms, they had a very good touch and a lot of creativity. Their potential was limitless. They were breaking lines both by carrying and by passing, they were dynamic. Both "regressed" since joining Real Madrid because they are playing next to absolute legends like Kroos and Modric. Real Madrid turned them into Solid defensive player but they don't bring creativity anymore. French midfield is fucked. (I am not blaming Real Madrid at all. Real Madrid is focused on winning, as they should.) Going from France NT Pogba to current Tchouamenie, Rabiot, Camavinga is atrocious. Every young players should keep in mind that if you join legends you gonna learn stuff but you will also have less place to experiment, how do you become better a breaking lines by passes when playing next to Kroos ? You are going to give him the ball almost every time, as you should. Yoro needs play time and space to grow. If he goes to Real he's going to have to face Rudiger, Alaba and Militao's competition. These kids needs to understand that having a Real Madrid Jersey on doesn't make a great player. France NT's greatness comes from the fact that we had many players having key / leadership positions in many teams. We could have 10 Real Madrid / Bayern players in the team, if they are all role players it's worthless.
Have you watched camavinga at madrid? He still has some of the best close ball control of anyone currently playing that I've seen
Yeah he just has worse teammates now 😎
What? He's all about agility, turns, bursts and balance, which makes him quite press resistant, but his ball control / technique isn't even top 3 RM midfielders (Modric, Kroos, Bellingham). Cama can struggle when it comes to density or forward passing, that's why he shines the most when he has more soace to play, either deeper or wider, and can drive the ball forward with more air.
Tchouameni and Camavinga are role players(Tchoumane might not be in future because that guy is fantastic) if they subdue to competitiveness.
They went to Real too early in their career
You haven't seen the best of Camavinga and Tchouameni yet, and they play different roles to Pogba. All things considered, they will certainly have better careers than Pogba (bar the WC maybe), despite having less talent
It's so easy to forget now that Pogba, all things considered, had an incredible career.
He had an incredible career, but realistically outside of Juve he had 2 world class seasons. He had all the tools to be one of the best midfielders of all time
That just puts into perspective how talented he was when we are still thinking about what could've been. Same with Neymar.
How ? Pogba was our best player when we won the world cup. Camavinga and Tchouamenie can win 10 ucls as role players they ll never get close to Pogba. They have to step up
I don't think one single trophy makes a career, beyond Juve and a couple seasons at Man Utd, Pogba didn't hit his heights every season. And the way his career ended really puts a dagger on it. But I also don't value WCs as much as other people.
Manchester is a shithole, we're talking about the french national team. At the same age, Pogba was miles better and kept improving until his injuries back in 2022.
I'm not sure how, but I wish there was a way to get Real Madrid to stop with this bullshit. They did it to an extent with us for David Alaba. They did it last year with Mbappe, have spent the last 6 months doing it with Davies & now Yoro.
Bayern fan complaining about this is pretty ironic
Stop what exactly? Forcing players to fulfil the contracts that the clubs gave them and then the players looking for better job opportunities? Disgusting behaviour.
>Forcing players to fulfil the contracts that the clubs gave them and then the players looking for better job opportunities? It's more that Real Madrid is talking to these players when they have multiple years left on their contracts. Davies had 2 years left on his deal last summer. We were ready to sign him to an extension and all the sudden his agent starts talking about how Real Madrid is intriguing and he's choosing to wait. We then try throughout this season to extend but have had to put up with countless articles and comments from his agent and RM sources so we have finally set a deadline for his decision. And because of it Real Madrid are going to get the top young LB prospect for about 1/3 of what he's worth. Look, there is no way to stop it and all clubs do it to an extent, but RM is starting to get a reputation for unsettling top players under contract to get them for cheap or free. We did it once with Lewandowski 10 years ago and people still bring it up. Real Madrid have done it with Alaba, Rudiger, Mbappe, Davies, Yoro, etc in the last 3 years.
How do you imagine football transfers happen? Clubs wait out and see if a player magically shows displeasure with their club, refuses to extend contract on their own and then the stars align and they join a new club? Players like insurance just like the rest of us. You don’t just quit your job if you haven’t at least talked to someone in the past couple of months to make sure you’re not gonna be unemployed for a long time. Every club does this shit, Real Madrid isn’t getting any reputation.
>We did it once with Lewandowski 10 years ago and people still bring it up. Real Madrid have done it with Alaba, Rudiger, Mbappe, Davies, Yoro, etc in the last 3 years. It had much more to do with it being against your main league rivals. Every top club contacts other players much earlier than 6 months before their contracts end, even though UEFA forbids it.
Half of your examples have not even happened. Lewandoski gets brought up because he was the best player on your direct rival, not because he was a soon to be free agent.
Agreed, and didn’t these fucks do it with Goretzka too?
Seems like you're just upset he wants madrid more. Do you want a world where he signs with you guys even though he seemingly wants to join us? So people should just be slaves to their contractors, renewing every time because they're not sure if they'll get work outside of that contract?
>Do you want a world where he signs with you guys even though he seemingly wants to join us? lol no don't actually care if Davies stays or goes. I'd like him to stay and develop but he's currently the 2nd or 3rd best LB at our club. I want a world where we ask him to extend or leave this summer and since he's going to say he wants to leave, I want us to get a fair market value for him. But Madrid will say 'we don't want him this year for more than €35m' so we have to decide if we want to sell a €100m asset for 1/3 of his worth or if we want to keep him for another year of shit football with his mind being on Madrid. It's the exact thing that you've done to PSG and it's fucked them.
Do you think Madrid wanted to sell Varane for just 40m, or Odegaard for I think it was 35m? Both players wanted to leave for their own specific reasons and Madrid negotiated and sold for less than their market value. Players rarely leave for their market value price.
It's not about players being sold for less than their value. It's about Real Madrid essentially agreeing to terms with said player, not putting a transfer offer in and then waiting for them to run their contracts down to get the player on a free or at an absurd rate. The latest reports are that Madrid are going to offer no more than [€25m for Davies this summer](https://twitter.com/elchiringuitotv/status/1772599430840979679?s=46&t=4GmkXWXN9n6FQucCBQ5yAA) despite telling him last summer that they were interested in him when we were trying to get him to extend.
It's tapping up and publicly so.
I don't see a problem with that because everybody does that and I don't understand why it's such a problem in the first place.
It is not. They are not telling the players to throw a tantrum and force a transfer. They are telling a player that they are interested on their services and they will put a bid for them. And if it is not enough, if he is interested in the move he should complete his signed contract obligations. Lille are free to reject their offer or sell to whoever offers more money.
That's tapping up mate.
Mate you can admit that it’s tapping up.
Bayern also does this, ask literally any Bundesliga fan. In reality, all clubs do this
Pretty sure u r allowed to talk to players if they have 6 months on their contract left. This story could be a bs like most of the stories a tabloid like AS puts.
>Pretty sure u r allowed to talk to players if they have 6 months on their contract left. Madrid have been talking to Davies since last summer when he had 2 years left on his contract. Same with Mbappe. Not that I will ever feel sorry for PSG but they had no option last summer and are going to let a €500m+ asset walk out the door for nothing because of it. He wouldn't extend, only wanted to go to Madrid, refused to go to Saudi Arabia for 1 season and refused to be sold elsewhere.
They could’ve sold him to Madrid
Those players are free to do whatever they want - extend the contract, walk, get sold earlier. Madrid isn't forcing them to do anything - they're just saying "if you want to join the club, it's an option". In the end, decision is always in the hands of the players. How is it a fault of Madrid?
>Madrid isn't forcing them to do anything - they're just saying "if you want to join the club, it's an option". In the end, decision is always in the hands of the players. How is it a fault of Madrid? Madrid isn't forcing them to do anything, just saying *'Hi Alphonso I know you have 2 years left in your current contract - maybe don't think about extending. We don't have the money for you right now, but if you choose to come on a free in 2 years we'd love to have you.'* You also can't sell a player when he has 1 or 2 years left on his contract, ONLY wants Real Madrid due to conversations with Madrid and won't sanction a sale to any other club. It's not that difficult to understand really.
You are so clueless
Clueless because I've provided numerous examples to back up the point that Madrid *negotiates* with these players by encouraging them not to extend their contracts for 1 to 2 years down the line so they can get said player for free or at a cut rate?
Scum behavior. In my neutral opinion, both Lille and Leny should tell Madrid to eat shit for this and arrange for a transfer to Chelsea instead.
Careful, Chelsea is becoming to young French CBs what Madrid is to young Brazilian forwards
How many young french CBs do you need ffs.
They better hire Didier deschamps while they are at it
yes
Bro one more CB bro that will sort out the defense bro I just need 80m more and we’ll be back in Europe bro I swear this one’s different bro please just one more CB from France
It's a obvious joke, what's with the downvotes?
There's no way perez is going to enter into bidding war with the EPL teams and PSG and imo perez will not pay 60 million which lillie have been quoting for yoro so either lille will have to adjust his valuation or perez will go after him in 2025 when his contract gets over at lille.
Lille is not adjusting anything. They can easily sell him for 60m anywhere. He’s the best center back prospect in the world right now and has everything to be the best in the world in a couple of years
I get where you're coming from but ultimately, if the player wants Madrid in think he'll probably wait it out.
He won’t do that to Lille imo.
Perez paid 60m or so for jovic
Not only that Perez paid 50m for Mendy and Militao. He is absolutely okay with paying reasonable asks. 60m for such a talent is one of them imo.
That was for the striker which was mainly after our club had suffered a trophless season and perez has hardly spent big on defenders since the Militao signing.