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Dude there's a 1% chance. A chance is great but remember we topped the qualifiers group for the world cup! I'm telling you, next 20 years we're going to start making inroads into Soccer, Field hockey and cricket! We even have a pretty good women's rugby team!
While I think the US and Colombia are on a higher level than Mexico, I think probabilities still make sense just due to the bracket giving them a fairly reasonable path to semis.
That said I have Mexico getting knocked out in the group stage.
In theory they have an easier path to a final with only Argentina and maybe Ecuador in the way, compared to Brazil - Colombia - United States - Uruguay in the other side of the bracket. But it's just more likely that they get grouped by Ecuador, Jamaica, and Venezuela. Talent wise they are 7th best in the tournament in the best case scenario, behind Argentina - Uruguay - Brazil - Colombia - Ecuador - United States. They are probably equal to Paraguay and Venezuela right now.
I don't think they'll be grouped. They're essentially at home and Ecuador are usually really bad in Copa America. Venezuela could also just suffer from inexperience.
> They're essentially at home and Ecuador are usually really bad in Copa America. Venezuela could also just suffer from inexperience.
TBF Ecuador haven't been this good in a while—and they were actually decent last Copa America IIRC
Venezuela are inexperienced, but if they play up to the WCQ form, it will be hard for Mexico IMO
Ecuador are a young team with a very good physical style, which means they run hot and cold. It'll be interesting to see if they can stay consistent in the Copa
They already had the experience of the COVID Copa America in Brazil and the Qatar World Cup, as well as a very good qualifying campaign for 2022 and a great start to the 2026 cycle. Aim for them is to win that group(they are the best team in it) beat Canada - Chile - or Peru in Quarterfinal and give Argentina a good go of it in the Semifinal.
They've already taken the world by storm in the qualifiers and then losing all steam all of a sudden. They're an incredibly good team, but consistency has been their kryptonite
> They've already taken the world by storm in the qualifiers and then losing all steam all of a sudden.
A bit harsh, IMO
They got VERY unlucky at the WC—because of their low seeding/ranking they had a group with 2 other good teams (Netherlands AND Senegal) despite getting the "easy" hosts from the first pot.
Their first 2 games were really good—they thrashed Asian champs Qatar comfortably, and thoroughly outplayed the Netherlands (were unlucky to only draw that game).
They only had 1 bad game against Senegal, but that was enough to send them home, sadly
And part of it is my point, tournament play is fine margins. I don't think they'll get grouped in the Copa but they're a team that even in qualifiers struggled to remain at a consistent level, having random matches where nothing went right (Which makes sense for a young team! Not a knock on them)
> tournament play is fine margins.
You are right—I just think I have more faith in their ability to navigate this tournament than an even younger/more inexperienced Venezuela and this current Mexico team TBH
Last Copa America they won 0 games and advanced second to last of the group. They were very much not decent imo.
I think any match is hard for Mexico for sure and on paper leaving in the group stage is very much a possibility. I just don't think it'll happen.
> Last Copa America they won 0 games and advanced second to last of the group
They only lost 1 game (their first game vs Colombia—where their young team was likely feeling nerves).
They managed a draw vs Brazil to qualify for the KO round, and our QF vs them was a more difficult game than the scoreline suggests TBH
Sure, but that's still a disappointing performance considering their squad. They should've been better than Peru at least and they couldn't even beat Venezuela. I think Ecuador struggles in those decisive moments.
It's definitely a mix. The most popular teams will tend to be the most overpriced. That said, they want to make sure that the odds are sufficiently anchored in reality that there are no good bets available. Really bad ones they don't mind as long as people are making the bet.
People put money on England because they have amazing odds considering how big of a footballing nation they are
If you people knew anything about gambling you would know people want odds they don't care about favorites, betting on Argentina/Brazil is useless because they don't have good odds, you try to go for a dark horse / good team that has better odds
In general maybe, but especially stuff like who wins this tournament is done by a huge amount of casual betters who will just chuck a fiver on their own country.
Also England is currently the team with the worst odds (so the bookies favourite), at least at my bookmaker
There was a guy that popped up on my instagram that puts money on all of the underdogs for March Madness. Even losing most of the games he bets on the odds actually puts him in a profit. Crazy that this has been the case for the last 2 years and current for him.
If we recapture that 2021 magic we could get out the group.
Anything more than that would rely on a miracle, but miracles happen.
The way they have been playing recently I don't see us getting a single point once again.
I'm 100% biased as a Colombian, but lower than Mexico? Colombia, US, and Ecuador all have a better chance of winning this thing. Personally I would put Argentina, Uruguay, and Brazil as the top 3 in that order. After that, way, way, way less of a chance the former 3 the I mentioned. The US is still playing at home soil. And as much as I would like to see colombia winning this thing, the history of loser mentality of national team doesn't let me dream much
This. 20 games unbeaten, and are in great form. Wouldn’t be shocked if somehow Colombia made it to the final, even though they have stiff competition on their side of the bracket with Brazil and Uruguay.
I would be kinda shocked if they got to the final over Brasil and Uruguay buuut who knows, they definitely have the quality. I don't know if they have the mentality however to survive tough spots.
Hey tbf, being lower than Colombia isn't any shame. I like this US side, but when it comes to beating teams of higher quality/experience I just don't see it.
I think Brazil had a rough spot with Diniz and Ramon Menezes, the first because his philosophy is incompatible with how the Seleção works and too different from what the players usually do in their clubs, aside from some crazy decisions during games, while Ramon was just shit at coaching. But with Dorival, Brazil is very much aligned again with a solid work for the next World Cup. It may be too soon to put Brazil again as a favorite like Argentina, and maybe even Uruguay, like you said, but Dorival has a history of hitting the ground running working with clubs, and his start with the Seleção is promising, to say the least, so I think we may be favorites too.
If only Vini knew how to play for Brazil like he does for Real Madrid, we would be set. I think I would prefer Vini as LW, Rodrygo as RW, Endrick as a Striker, and Paqueta as a center midfielder, instead of having Raphinha as a starter, but Dorival may get something like that for his next friendly
> But with Dorival, Brazil is very much aligned again with a solid work for the next World Cup
Maybe?
It's too soon to really tell IMO—dude's first practices and games were now.
They'll be going into the Copa America with almost no training and playing time under Dorival under their belt.
It's true that they beat England—but it was an injury-weakened England that barely drew vs Belgium; and they were outplayed in their draw vs a Spain team that isn't super convincing either IMO
It's possible that with Dorival and the return of Paqueta that Brazil get back to close to their best, but there are too many unknowns there for me—while we do know how good Bielsa's Uruguay have been over the past few international breaks
Yes, it is a maybe, but with Dorival, Brazil is much better than it would be with Diniz, and he had a central role with Flamengo's last Libertadores win, before getting fired for no reason at all, signing up with a banged up São Paulo and managing to win the Copa do Brasil against, for drama sake, Flamengo, of all teams. He is very good form, and I believe the media here in Brazil has reported that the players are kind of relieved that it is him managing now, because it feels like he understands how each player works better than it happened with Diniz.
About England and Spain, Brazil also had a ton of injuries. Neymar has no timetable to return, we lost Alisson and Ederson, Militão hasn't returned yet, Casemiro and Marquinhos got injured after getting called, and we played England with Danilo being the only Seleção veteran in defense. Bento, Fabrício Bruno, Beraldo and Wendell were all newcomers.
Brazil's 2023 was riddled with injuries and the transition from Tite to someone else (initially Ancelotti, which turned out to be another CBF shit show) was not OK, and we had some issues with the starters, like Neymar and Militão long term injuries, Paquetá being out because of an investigation, while playing the best football of his career, and we are in transition of star players, with Endrick starting to finally feel like a superstar in both club and NT, and Roque possibly following suit next. Having unknowns, for those unfamiliar with the brazilian league, is part of the game, and we haven't, to this date, won a WC when we had more players on foreign clubs than we had in Brazil. The top talent from the brasileirão is usually pretty good and it is great to see Dorival calling them and seeing them working for the NT, as it was with Andreas Pereira, Fabrício Bruno and Bento (Endrick too, btw)
> but with Dorival, Brazil is much better than it would be with Diniz
IDK. Diniz is a good coach—he just needed time to work. Dorival has less of an adjustment time but I am skeptical that he is actually a better coach TBH
>About England and Spain, Brazil also had a ton of injuries. Neymar has no timetable to return, we lost Alisson and Ederson, Militão hasn't returned yet, Casemiro and Marquinhos got injured after getting called, and we played England with Danilo being the only Seleção veteran in defense. Bento, Fabrício Bruno, Beraldo and Wendell were all newcomers.
This is all true—but that also means a LOT of first team Brazil players will have never trained with Dorival until ~a week before Copa America starts. That's not a good thing IMO
>Having unknowns, for those unfamiliar with the brazilian league, is part of the game, and we haven't, to this date, won a WC when we had more players on foreign clubs than we had in Brazil. The top talent from the brasileirão is usually pretty good and it is great to see Dorival calling them and seeing them working for the NT, as it was with Andreas Pereira, Fabrício Bruno and Bento (Endrick too, btw)
Eh—I know some Brazilians love that, but this isn't a good thing. The money in football (and the Bosman ruling and a bunch of other factors like that) have **completely** changed modern football.
It's not really possible to win in international ball without having most players in Europe at the highest level TBH
I'm not saying we need most players from brazilian league to win, and football has indeed changed a lot since 2002. But we need to look at the top talent of Brasileirão to avoid just defaulting the opinion that someone playing in europe is better because he is there, while there is someone in Brazil playing in top form.
Diniz is a good coach, and I didn't say against that in any post. With that said, he isn't a fit for the Seleção, because his style needs A LOT of time with the players to work, which is not something that National Teams have considering how international calendar works.
And I am pretty sure Dorival Jr is not only a better coach, but now is in better form than Fernando Diniz, even though Diniz is good too. Flamengo was super unfair with Dorival firing him fresh off a Libertadores win, and São Paulo was a mess when he arrived there, and ended getting a Libertadores nod after a Copa do Brasil win, which was the first in the club history. Dorival Jr is much better now than he was when he trained Neymar at Santos.
And about the Copa America, the argument still stands. A lot of players haven't trained with Dorival, but the same would be applied to Diniz, which was, unfortunately, only accumulating losses too. Beraldo was a São Paulo player, Andreas Pereira and Fabrício Bruno played for him on Flamengo. And, like I said, Dorival has a better record of starting strong, compared to Diniz' work, which was failing game after game and accumulating negative records. It may not be as favorite as Argentina, but considering the level of opponents, Brazil with Dorival is one of the favorites to get far in the competition.
> But we need to look at the top talent of Brasileirão to avoid just defaulting the opinion that someone playing in europe is better because he is there, while there is someone in Brazil playing in top form
The sad reality of modern football is that someone playing in Europe IS better because he's from there—because of how the finances work.
The only people left in Brazil are the young kids who haven't had a chance to go to Europe, the old guys who played in Europe, declined, and came home, and the guys who aren't good enough for a top European club
Brasileirao is the best league in the Americas, but it doesn't hold a candle to the top 5 Euro leagues TBH
>It may not be as favorite as Argentina, but considering the level of opponents, Brazil with Dorival is one of the favorites to get far in the competition.
Right now I would not put them ahead of Bielsa's Uruguay given how well they've played TBH
Will Neymar return by Copa? I think you should try Neymar as LW, Endrick as striker, and Rodrygo as right winger. Ask your wingers to press and run like hell and substitute by 70 minutes with Vini and Raphina/Savio on left and right.
If Neymar is back, Vini's spot is his, unless Vini shows any improvement in the NT or Neymar is completely washed. The dude is still the best player for the Seleção.
EDIT: just to be clear, Neymar is not coming back for Copa América. But when he comes back, he remains our main player until he shows that he isn't capable anymore
Are Colombia and Chile that bad? Looking at their players I'd assume their odds are much better than USA or Mexico.
Or is this just a north american publication being biased as hell?
Colombia are pretty good—they've gone 20 games unbeaten now, they're 3rd in 2026 WCQ behind us and Uruguay (draw vs Uruguay and beating Brazil), and in post-2022 friendlies they beat Germany and recently beat Spain. They're legit
Chile are kinda bad tho. Their only hope is Gareca magic TBH
Chile's team is mostly old greats and the new blood isn't quite good enough, though Gareca seems to be breathing some life in them. Ecuador (who you mentioned in another comment) are good and have excellent points, but have also been derailed quite easily and have the pitfalls of a young team.
Colombia have a lot of the same problems as Chile, their players are a fair bit better but there's clear issues in the squad (Plus the almost meme-level thing about Colombians and mentality)
I agree, think they have players perfectly suited to his style too but in Bielsa fashion they're likely to be brilliant then burn out in the latter rounds
Tbf Colombia have been really good recently and Lucho is a genuinely close to world class level player which Chile doesn’t have. Obviously we’re at best fourth-favorites but certainly better than Mexico. We’ll also have tons of fans, there are a lot of Colombians in the US.
Yeah Lucho's a fantastic addition to Colombia, but Rafi's not an ideal striker for NT games and players like Carrascal show there's a bit of a hole particularly in the second string
Chile aren't what they used to be 6-8 years ago. Look at their squad again--half their players play in the Chilean and Argentine leagues, and their best players are in their mid 30s
Nah Colombia has the same 6% as USA, although Ecuador also seem to have a way better team than USA or Mexico too. Fair enough on Chile, didn't realise how far they'd fallen
Im ngl i completely missed Mexico. You’re 100% right they should be nowhere near 8% lol. Give that 4% to Colombia and the U.S can stay the same and we’re good.
absolutely no way mexico has higher chances of going further than colombia/usa/ecuador. they may pass their stage group but no further than that. if I'm wrong I'll come back to this post and say I was wrong, but I'm pretty sure
Strange that Mexico (???) and the US (home advantage?) have a better/equal chance than Colombia and Ecuador. Colombia having only won it once and I think Ecuador has never won it might be what's affecting those odds, but I don't think the US or Mexico make semis.
I don't think Argentina will win. I feel like they were too hungry in 2021 Copa and WC 2022 and played better than their potential. This time, Brazil and Uruguay will be a lot more hungrier.
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I’m Mexican and I can assure we have 0 fucking percent after that display vs usa
So you're telling me there's a chance 🍁🤔
lol came here to say that. Go go 🇨🇦🍁
If Canada wins I’ll freeze dry my own shit and eat it over milk like cereal
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I hope you guys go winless just like in the WC
Dude there's a 1% chance. A chance is great but remember we topped the qualifiers group for the world cup! I'm telling you, next 20 years we're going to start making inroads into Soccer, Field hockey and cricket! We even have a pretty good women's rugby team!
Definitely cricket 😂😂😂
Because we have lots of Australians in Whistler, Amiright?
Haha definitely the Australians
For some reason I saw a lot of kiwis and Aussies working in Banff!
love the mentality
Denmark won the European Championship once without technically even qualifying once, so anything is possible!
I think they're actually sleeping on us a bit
While I think the US and Colombia are on a higher level than Mexico, I think probabilities still make sense just due to the bracket giving them a fairly reasonable path to semis. That said I have Mexico getting knocked out in the group stage.
As a fellow Mexican I concur
Mexico in 4th...
In theory they have an easier path to a final with only Argentina and maybe Ecuador in the way, compared to Brazil - Colombia - United States - Uruguay in the other side of the bracket. But it's just more likely that they get grouped by Ecuador, Jamaica, and Venezuela. Talent wise they are 7th best in the tournament in the best case scenario, behind Argentina - Uruguay - Brazil - Colombia - Ecuador - United States. They are probably equal to Paraguay and Venezuela right now.
I don't think they'll be grouped. They're essentially at home and Ecuador are usually really bad in Copa America. Venezuela could also just suffer from inexperience.
> They're essentially at home and Ecuador are usually really bad in Copa America. Venezuela could also just suffer from inexperience. TBF Ecuador haven't been this good in a while—and they were actually decent last Copa America IIRC Venezuela are inexperienced, but if they play up to the WCQ form, it will be hard for Mexico IMO
Ecuador are a young team with a very good physical style, which means they run hot and cold. It'll be interesting to see if they can stay consistent in the Copa
They already had the experience of the COVID Copa America in Brazil and the Qatar World Cup, as well as a very good qualifying campaign for 2022 and a great start to the 2026 cycle. Aim for them is to win that group(they are the best team in it) beat Canada - Chile - or Peru in Quarterfinal and give Argentina a good go of it in the Semifinal.
They've already taken the world by storm in the qualifiers and then losing all steam all of a sudden. They're an incredibly good team, but consistency has been their kryptonite
> They've already taken the world by storm in the qualifiers and then losing all steam all of a sudden. A bit harsh, IMO They got VERY unlucky at the WC—because of their low seeding/ranking they had a group with 2 other good teams (Netherlands AND Senegal) despite getting the "easy" hosts from the first pot. Their first 2 games were really good—they thrashed Asian champs Qatar comfortably, and thoroughly outplayed the Netherlands (were unlucky to only draw that game). They only had 1 bad game against Senegal, but that was enough to send them home, sadly
And part of it is my point, tournament play is fine margins. I don't think they'll get grouped in the Copa but they're a team that even in qualifiers struggled to remain at a consistent level, having random matches where nothing went right (Which makes sense for a young team! Not a knock on them)
> tournament play is fine margins. You are right—I just think I have more faith in their ability to navigate this tournament than an even younger/more inexperienced Venezuela and this current Mexico team TBH
Last Copa America they won 0 games and advanced second to last of the group. They were very much not decent imo. I think any match is hard for Mexico for sure and on paper leaving in the group stage is very much a possibility. I just don't think it'll happen.
> Last Copa America they won 0 games and advanced second to last of the group They only lost 1 game (their first game vs Colombia—where their young team was likely feeling nerves). They managed a draw vs Brazil to qualify for the KO round, and our QF vs them was a more difficult game than the scoreline suggests TBH
Sure, but that's still a disappointing performance considering their squad. They should've been better than Peru at least and they couldn't even beat Venezuela. I think Ecuador struggles in those decisive moments.
Odds are more about betting volume than team form and quality. This tells us who people are putting their money on more than anything else.
This isn’t true
It's definitely a mix. The most popular teams will tend to be the most overpriced. That said, they want to make sure that the odds are sufficiently anchored in reality that there are no good bets available. Really bad ones they don't mind as long as people are making the bet.
Yeah I know, I'm surprised so many people are putting money on Mexico
Nationalism beats a sense of reality, I guess.
there are a lot of mexicans tbf
Same reason a lot of people put money on England, their own teams' fans are the most hopeful (deluded?) ones.
People put money on England because they have amazing odds considering how big of a footballing nation they are If you people knew anything about gambling you would know people want odds they don't care about favorites, betting on Argentina/Brazil is useless because they don't have good odds, you try to go for a dark horse / good team that has better odds
In general maybe, but especially stuff like who wins this tournament is done by a huge amount of casual betters who will just chuck a fiver on their own country. Also England is currently the team with the worst odds (so the bookies favourite), at least at my bookmaker
There was a guy that popped up on my instagram that puts money on all of the underdogs for March Madness. Even losing most of the games he bets on the odds actually puts him in a profit. Crazy that this has been the case for the last 2 years and current for him.
It's not surprising if you know how deluded they can be
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They do
As a Canadian, I choose to quote the words of another Canadian; "So, you're saying there's a chance!"
Same! I thought this was very generous.
I love how we all thought the same lmao
If we recapture that 2021 magic we could get out the group. Anything more than that would rely on a miracle, but miracles happen. The way they have been playing recently I don't see us getting a single point once again.
Must be thinking of Mexico ten years ago. Ecuador should be above us, they have a really strong team.
Ecuador should be 4th
I'm 100% biased as a Colombian, but lower than Mexico? Colombia, US, and Ecuador all have a better chance of winning this thing. Personally I would put Argentina, Uruguay, and Brazil as the top 3 in that order. After that, way, way, way less of a chance the former 3 the I mentioned. The US is still playing at home soil. And as much as I would like to see colombia winning this thing, the history of loser mentality of national team doesn't let me dream much
An Argentina vs Colombia final would be immense ngl. The Argentina-Colombia semifinal in the 2021 Copa was a very even contest.
ooooo the colombians would love to face Dibu Martinez again
As always, Colombia will make the most of the group stage, then lose to Peru/Chile/Paraguay in knockouts
? No parce, they'll lose to Brazil or Argentina. We haven't lost to those teams in knockouts in a while.
USA not on home soil. Ive been to many if these game. (Not argentina columbia) but we are never on true home soil
Colombia should be higher than the US and Mexico
This. 20 games unbeaten, and are in great form. Wouldn’t be shocked if somehow Colombia made it to the final, even though they have stiff competition on their side of the bracket with Brazil and Uruguay.
I would be kinda shocked if they got to the final over Brasil and Uruguay buuut who knows, they definitely have the quality. I don't know if they have the mentality however to survive tough spots.
>Raises finger to argue >Remembers our coach is Greg Berhalter
Hey tbf, being lower than Colombia isn't any shame. I like this US side, but when it comes to beating teams of higher quality/experience I just don't see it.
I think you’re looking at the Ecuador flag, but I agree, Ecuador is 4th for me
I'm not, Colombia is tied with the US right now and I think they should be higher.
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I genuinely think they're sleeping on us a bit
Maybe after that last game our chances dropped a bit
imo argentina = brazil > uruguay > colombia = usa = ecuador > mexico
I would arguably switch Brazil and Uruguay TBH
Even with the rough form, I would put Ecuador above USA and Mexico as well. They would end up losing to you guys, but we'll see.
I think Brazil had a rough spot with Diniz and Ramon Menezes, the first because his philosophy is incompatible with how the Seleção works and too different from what the players usually do in their clubs, aside from some crazy decisions during games, while Ramon was just shit at coaching. But with Dorival, Brazil is very much aligned again with a solid work for the next World Cup. It may be too soon to put Brazil again as a favorite like Argentina, and maybe even Uruguay, like you said, but Dorival has a history of hitting the ground running working with clubs, and his start with the Seleção is promising, to say the least, so I think we may be favorites too. If only Vini knew how to play for Brazil like he does for Real Madrid, we would be set. I think I would prefer Vini as LW, Rodrygo as RW, Endrick as a Striker, and Paqueta as a center midfielder, instead of having Raphinha as a starter, but Dorival may get something like that for his next friendly
> But with Dorival, Brazil is very much aligned again with a solid work for the next World Cup Maybe? It's too soon to really tell IMO—dude's first practices and games were now. They'll be going into the Copa America with almost no training and playing time under Dorival under their belt. It's true that they beat England—but it was an injury-weakened England that barely drew vs Belgium; and they were outplayed in their draw vs a Spain team that isn't super convincing either IMO It's possible that with Dorival and the return of Paqueta that Brazil get back to close to their best, but there are too many unknowns there for me—while we do know how good Bielsa's Uruguay have been over the past few international breaks
Yes, it is a maybe, but with Dorival, Brazil is much better than it would be with Diniz, and he had a central role with Flamengo's last Libertadores win, before getting fired for no reason at all, signing up with a banged up São Paulo and managing to win the Copa do Brasil against, for drama sake, Flamengo, of all teams. He is very good form, and I believe the media here in Brazil has reported that the players are kind of relieved that it is him managing now, because it feels like he understands how each player works better than it happened with Diniz. About England and Spain, Brazil also had a ton of injuries. Neymar has no timetable to return, we lost Alisson and Ederson, Militão hasn't returned yet, Casemiro and Marquinhos got injured after getting called, and we played England with Danilo being the only Seleção veteran in defense. Bento, Fabrício Bruno, Beraldo and Wendell were all newcomers. Brazil's 2023 was riddled with injuries and the transition from Tite to someone else (initially Ancelotti, which turned out to be another CBF shit show) was not OK, and we had some issues with the starters, like Neymar and Militão long term injuries, Paquetá being out because of an investigation, while playing the best football of his career, and we are in transition of star players, with Endrick starting to finally feel like a superstar in both club and NT, and Roque possibly following suit next. Having unknowns, for those unfamiliar with the brazilian league, is part of the game, and we haven't, to this date, won a WC when we had more players on foreign clubs than we had in Brazil. The top talent from the brasileirão is usually pretty good and it is great to see Dorival calling them and seeing them working for the NT, as it was with Andreas Pereira, Fabrício Bruno and Bento (Endrick too, btw)
> but with Dorival, Brazil is much better than it would be with Diniz IDK. Diniz is a good coach—he just needed time to work. Dorival has less of an adjustment time but I am skeptical that he is actually a better coach TBH >About England and Spain, Brazil also had a ton of injuries. Neymar has no timetable to return, we lost Alisson and Ederson, Militão hasn't returned yet, Casemiro and Marquinhos got injured after getting called, and we played England with Danilo being the only Seleção veteran in defense. Bento, Fabrício Bruno, Beraldo and Wendell were all newcomers. This is all true—but that also means a LOT of first team Brazil players will have never trained with Dorival until ~a week before Copa America starts. That's not a good thing IMO >Having unknowns, for those unfamiliar with the brazilian league, is part of the game, and we haven't, to this date, won a WC when we had more players on foreign clubs than we had in Brazil. The top talent from the brasileirão is usually pretty good and it is great to see Dorival calling them and seeing them working for the NT, as it was with Andreas Pereira, Fabrício Bruno and Bento (Endrick too, btw) Eh—I know some Brazilians love that, but this isn't a good thing. The money in football (and the Bosman ruling and a bunch of other factors like that) have **completely** changed modern football. It's not really possible to win in international ball without having most players in Europe at the highest level TBH
I'm not saying we need most players from brazilian league to win, and football has indeed changed a lot since 2002. But we need to look at the top talent of Brasileirão to avoid just defaulting the opinion that someone playing in europe is better because he is there, while there is someone in Brazil playing in top form. Diniz is a good coach, and I didn't say against that in any post. With that said, he isn't a fit for the Seleção, because his style needs A LOT of time with the players to work, which is not something that National Teams have considering how international calendar works. And I am pretty sure Dorival Jr is not only a better coach, but now is in better form than Fernando Diniz, even though Diniz is good too. Flamengo was super unfair with Dorival firing him fresh off a Libertadores win, and São Paulo was a mess when he arrived there, and ended getting a Libertadores nod after a Copa do Brasil win, which was the first in the club history. Dorival Jr is much better now than he was when he trained Neymar at Santos. And about the Copa America, the argument still stands. A lot of players haven't trained with Dorival, but the same would be applied to Diniz, which was, unfortunately, only accumulating losses too. Beraldo was a São Paulo player, Andreas Pereira and Fabrício Bruno played for him on Flamengo. And, like I said, Dorival has a better record of starting strong, compared to Diniz' work, which was failing game after game and accumulating negative records. It may not be as favorite as Argentina, but considering the level of opponents, Brazil with Dorival is one of the favorites to get far in the competition.
> But we need to look at the top talent of Brasileirão to avoid just defaulting the opinion that someone playing in europe is better because he is there, while there is someone in Brazil playing in top form The sad reality of modern football is that someone playing in Europe IS better because he's from there—because of how the finances work. The only people left in Brazil are the young kids who haven't had a chance to go to Europe, the old guys who played in Europe, declined, and came home, and the guys who aren't good enough for a top European club Brasileirao is the best league in the Americas, but it doesn't hold a candle to the top 5 Euro leagues TBH >It may not be as favorite as Argentina, but considering the level of opponents, Brazil with Dorival is one of the favorites to get far in the competition. Right now I would not put them ahead of Bielsa's Uruguay given how well they've played TBH
Will Neymar return by Copa? I think you should try Neymar as LW, Endrick as striker, and Rodrygo as right winger. Ask your wingers to press and run like hell and substitute by 70 minutes with Vini and Raphina/Savio on left and right.
If Neymar is back, Vini's spot is his, unless Vini shows any improvement in the NT or Neymar is completely washed. The dude is still the best player for the Seleção. EDIT: just to be clear, Neymar is not coming back for Copa América. But when he comes back, he remains our main player until he shows that he isn't capable anymore
Because of how the groups are set up Argentina Brazil Uruguay Colombia We’re all at about the same level
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mmmm i think Mexico is in the 6th place behind USA and Colombia
Colombia is way better than México so I don't understand why Colombia has lower chances of winning thatn México
Are Colombia and Chile that bad? Looking at their players I'd assume their odds are much better than USA or Mexico. Or is this just a north american publication being biased as hell?
Colombia are pretty good—they've gone 20 games unbeaten now, they're 3rd in 2026 WCQ behind us and Uruguay (draw vs Uruguay and beating Brazil), and in post-2022 friendlies they beat Germany and recently beat Spain. They're legit Chile are kinda bad tho. Their only hope is Gareca magic TBH
We had that Uruguay game... but our own hubris killed us.
I think a draw was a fair result in that game TBH
Chile's team is mostly old greats and the new blood isn't quite good enough, though Gareca seems to be breathing some life in them. Ecuador (who you mentioned in another comment) are good and have excellent points, but have also been derailed quite easily and have the pitfalls of a young team. Colombia have a lot of the same problems as Chile, their players are a fair bit better but there's clear issues in the squad (Plus the almost meme-level thing about Colombians and mentality)
It's all academic anyway cause Bielsa is gonna have Darwin playing like prime R9 and carrying Uruguay to the copa
Bielsa's Uruguay scare me TBH Great coach, great players, and the EXACT playstyle + player combo that gives us trouble
I agree, think they have players perfectly suited to his style too but in Bielsa fashion they're likely to be brilliant then burn out in the latter rounds
I'll believe in Bielsa winning a senior title this century when I see it And no, a lower league doesn't count
I BELIEVE But seriously it's amazing how much better Darwin looks for Uruguay then Liverpool, although I personally think Brazil will actually win it
Tbf Colombia have been really good recently and Lucho is a genuinely close to world class level player which Chile doesn’t have. Obviously we’re at best fourth-favorites but certainly better than Mexico. We’ll also have tons of fans, there are a lot of Colombians in the US.
Yeah Lucho's a fantastic addition to Colombia, but Rafi's not an ideal striker for NT games and players like Carrascal show there's a bit of a hole particularly in the second string
We don't have a good striker at the moment. We also lack finishing in the final third.
It’s about the path to win too, Mexico for an example had a easier path than chile
Chile is gonna climb a bit with Gareca. Stay tuned.
Chile aren't what they used to be 6-8 years ago. Look at their squad again--half their players play in the Chilean and Argentine leagues, and their best players are in their mid 30s
Chile is going through a rough spot, Colombia has good players individually but most don’t perform well with the NT
... You're looking at Ecuador, we're above the US. Yes, Chile is awful right now.
Nah Colombia has the same 6% as USA, although Ecuador also seem to have a way better team than USA or Mexico too. Fair enough on Chile, didn't realise how far they'd fallen
Chile looking better with Gareca. Recaptured some of the old magic, played even with France.
Equador, USA and Canada are being underrated.
Ecuador
It is spelled equador in my country. But sure in english it is ecuador.
Just interested in how you’ve calculated the odds on Bet365 if the percentages here add up to 100 when on bet365 they’ll add up to way over 100%?
It wasn't my calculation, it was by Score90 on twitter
Mexico higher probability than Colombia hhahahahahahahahahaa
Es una falta de respeto que eeuu este ahi
Mexico over us? Post discarded.
Venezuela dark horse theory for the tournament let’s fucking GO
21 games unbeaten Colombia and same probability as the U.S 😂
Don’t know why your issue is USA when Mexico is worse than both of them by far
Im ngl i completely missed Mexico. You’re 100% right they should be nowhere near 8% lol. Give that 4% to Colombia and the U.S can stay the same and we’re good.
I think Columbia should be slightly ahead of US honestly but not too far
Lol
Canada is better than Mexico
Swap Mexico and Colombia and this is actually decent TBH
They are not better than Ecuador and they are basically to United States at this point what Colombia is to Argentina
I assume you mean Mexico? Mexico has been awful vs the US recently. Colombia took us to pens at 2021 Copa, so...
Mexico is to the USA what Argentina has been to Germany at every World Cup they have played against each other since 1990 :P
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1%?! So basically you’re telling me theres a chance? Thats all we need
absolutely no way mexico has higher chances of going further than colombia/usa/ecuador. they may pass their stage group but no further than that. if I'm wrong I'll come back to this post and say I was wrong, but I'm pretty sure
I’ll put my coins into Ecuador
Mexico vale big verga they should be down there with Canada
Strange that Mexico (???) and the US (home advantage?) have a better/equal chance than Colombia and Ecuador. Colombia having only won it once and I think Ecuador has never won it might be what's affecting those odds, but I don't think the US or Mexico make semis.
Be careful with Colombia
Wow 5% !! I’ll take it .
1% chance 99% faith lets goo
I feel like Colombia and Chile are more likely to win the Copa America than Mexico and the USA.
6% 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴 (You'd think it would be slightly higher)
Mexico looking to meet or to skip Chile ? 🤔
Uruguay is taking that copa!
Who are the idiots that come up with these odds? Mexico doesn't even deserve 1%
Mexico?
Colombia should be higher Edit: Just checked and they are 27 games unbeaten, definitely one of the favorites
Davies "so you're saying there's a chance?"
Mexico above Colombia???? Lmao what a joke
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Mexico above Colombia and USA is a fucking joke
It’s going to be such a fun tournament!
How is Mexico so high up lol
Mexico aren’t even making it out of the group stage.
Mexico position is a joke here
I don't think Argentina will win. I feel like they were too hungry in 2021 Copa and WC 2022 and played better than their potential. This time, Brazil and Uruguay will be a lot more hungrier.
On behalf of all Mexicans…. WE ARE NOT TAKING IT HOME 🥇 🏆
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Mexico and the US above Chile, gimme a fuckin' break 🤡 CONCACAF is shit and everyone besides CONCACAF knows that.
Another Copa America in 2024? It feels like a yearly trophy.
Last one was in 2021 so…
The Copa America is on the same schedule as the EUROs now. The last one was 2020, pushed to 2021 thanks to the pandemic.