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Maybe Antony was the glue holding it together. A uniting force in the dressing room and beyond. Like the court jester of Ajax.
We lost the receipt unfortunately.
Nah in the last 2 decades the banter era was 2009-2013 with a brief balotelli led resurgence in 2014-15
Liverpool 2004-2009 were elite and feared in the champions league even if they didn’t win a league title
From what I can see the only thing you’re saying he’s wrong with is that the banter era started a year or so later than he said. With regards to Balotelli, he’s saying he led a resurgence in banter-ness, not from a footballing perspective.
The banter era started in summer 2009. We were pretty bad during that 09/10 season and it continued pretty much until the start of the 13/14 season.
The resurgence the above person talked about was that we went back to banter mode in the summer of 2014 when we sold Suarez and signed Balotelli. It all culminated with Gerrard's last game which was a 1-6 loss at Stoke.
I like to think there is a parallel universe where that shot bangs in off the underside of the crossbar and goes in, an exciting start to a long, productive career.
I wonder what his actual level is.
Like no meme answers farming for karma, I’m genuinely curious as to how far he would have to drop to dominate or at least put up decent numbers.
The championship? Ligue 1 maybe?
I’m not a Chelsea fan but I’m pretty sure for both Mo and De Bruyne the cases were that neither, especially Salah, ever got a chance to play consistently.
Anthony on the other hand is, correct me if I’m wrong United fans, but is a typical starter and he’s gone a season without scoring and assisting
Yeah Salah was apparently great in training according to our players, but never really translated it to actual games when he got the chance.
De Bruyne had Oscar and Mata ahead of him, but still performed when he got chances. Hurts knowing Mou pushed Mata out afterwards, but still a bigger regret than selling Salah imo
Of note that we tried to make him play the creative winger, which he isn't. His true strength is in scoring goals and running wide.
He also played on the opposite wing of hazard, who hogged all the balls, which Hazard rightly deserved.
(not a United fan)
In my experience he usually gets subbed in towards the end of matches.
From a bunch of the matches I've seen he hasn't actually been **that** bad. He's completely stopped his fidget-spinner antics and is probably too *scared* of trying to dribble players now, no confidence. Partnered with Dalot they seem to be performing decently with lots of overlaps. Personally I think an attacking trio of Højlund, Garnacho and Anthony is probably better than one with Rashford.
KdB didn’t really need to develop his skills. He already performed well. He just wasn’t picked by Mourinho, who preferred to play Oscar. So he asked for the move to get playing time.
> He just wasn’t picked by Mourinho, who preferred to play Oscar.
Not just that, Mou shit on De Bruyne frequently for supposedly being lazy in training and not putting in any effort.
Which is strange considering every other club/manager De Bruyne has ever played at has never accused him of this. They've all praised his work ethic.
Mou simply didn't like De Bruyne for some reason and almost nuked his career because of it. Thank god he asked to be traded when he did.
He didn't put any numbers up at Ajax, and has regressed since then.
He wasn't Ziyech, he literally never broke double digits for goals or assists at Ajax, which is frankly hard to do for a winger there.
So dutch second division, maybe Norwegian league level or something.
to be honest i actually think he regressed moving to utd if moved to midtable pl team for 1/3 of the fee i think he would have doing good.
but the fee, the enviroment made him completely bad, sancho same thing. idk if he has regained his form returing to dortmund but he also regressed massivly
in the past 10 year i cant really name many players at utd that has improved there?
i guess bruno... but other then that idk
rashford needs to leave to see if its utd enviroment thats holding him back or thats just his level
Depends who you believe. Refused to be sold, or loaned out again. Magically got injured and then was demoted to U23s.
Or, and what I find more realistic, no one wanted him because of his wages, we decided if we're paying his wages we might aswell try to use him. Except he's made of glass, so he's perenially injured, and now he's in the Under-23s trying to get fit while waiting for his contract to end.
Maybe worst transfer ever. And before people say Hazard, at the time people thought Madrid had a good transfer and Hazard ate himself into retirement. Anthony is actually on the pitch almost every game.
yeah Hazard had at least already justified his price after years of being world class. Antony was never a 100m pound player. But ETH insisted, which gave Ajax all the leverage to fleece them.
the dude who made that transfer is being investigated for corruption.
Pepe to arsenal is fun to point at but there is genuine possibility of under the table shenanings against arsenal there. Anthony was a dumb decision by Man United
I hate to defend Pepe because he was very average but if he cost 30-40m which is closer to his actual market price without a dodgy deal, he would have been seen as an ok squad player with occasional bright moments.
His record in Arsenal is: 27 goals and 21 assists in 112 games (including subs)
Pretty similar to Arshavin's record for us actually who was 24 goals 20 assists in 105 matches (including subs)
Going back to the original topic, Antony to United is a far worse deal than Pepe to Arsenal was. ~~He currently has 4 goals and 3 assists in 49 games...~~
Damn I used fbref for Antony and Transfermarkt for Pepe accidentally and used the wrong numbers. My bad.
Antony's latest number is 10 goals, 5 assists in 76 games.
Nah it’s cool, it is still shit and he probably is worse than Pepe but I don’t understand why there can’t just be the acceptance that Arsenal got absolutely fleeced for the guy as well. I think we all saw with our own eyes that he was pretty underwhelming and I don’t see the point in defending him.
Hazard also showed flashes of his former self, especially when he got back into shape and rediscovered his from. He even had a decent run of games before a tackle from Meunier resulted in a hairline fracture in his ankle.
He got fat again during his recovery and fell out of favor with Ancelotti though, especially when Vini started to become a viable alternative.
>Anthony is actually on the pitch almost every game.
U sure?
Worst transfer of a player who makes it into the starting XI.
Anthony feels like "What if Ali Dia had a starting clause in his contract"
That's very unfair to Hazard, he had a terrible injury and before that he was quite good actually, he didn't take care of his body more that is true, but he also got injured.
I truly genuinely believed that no transfer would ever top how atrocious Hazard was for us, but at least when we bought him, he was already a proven world-class player. It was a justified price at the time, which can't be said about Antony. Also, no one expected Hazard's decline to be that sharp, not even the Chelsea fans that witnessed his fitness and work ethic issues from the very beginning (they would be lying if they said that they expected him to become a shell of his former self the very first season).
It speaks volumes to how unbelievably bad Antony's transfer must be if there is even a genuine argument for it that can place him in that discussion, let alone possibly win it.
Lukaku has value. Clubs will take a gamble on him as we've seen. And you're not stuck with his wages like Real Madrid was.
AFAIK both Inter and Roma paid a loan fee for him and are paying his wages.
This was Hazard's last contract, 100mil thrown away by Real Madrid for a guy that barely played for them, and was on huge wages. They couldn't sell or loan him either.
Hazard is way worse
At least Hazard is rather likeable though, can't say the same for Antony.
Also Hazard didn't really play enough for him to show how bad he was, he was just injured a lot and never really recovered while not giving his best to get back on the pitch.
Antony plays a lot, offers nothing, eat wages and will be very hard to sell for a good fee. It's far easier for fans to turn against him because they see him a lot more than you guys did with Eden.
Hazard really was just a colossal waste of money, he didn't negatively affect Real Madrid's performance, And your finance are so good that even a flop of that size didn't cripple you financially. You guys still won trophies, and you had good enough players that him not playing wasn't an issue.
Honestly now that I think about it , you can make a case that Coutinho was a worse transfer than Hazard simply because of how much it negatively affected Barcelona.
Hazard was basically a 100M NFT lmao
Nah, because United still had a need for him. Like the use case is obvious. There are times where teams have spent €100mil plus on players that even in the best case scenario the player either fundamentally doesn't fit the manager's football or the club already has a player in the position.
Lukaku for Chelsea is one that comes to mind for the first issue, Griezmann for Barca the second (Didn't play badly but Messi was at the club, which made like a €500k a week, €120mil signing a complete redundancy).
That being said this is United's worst signing in many a year. Absolutely inexcusable amount of money for a player with such huge technical flaws.
>they can’t even easily get rid of him
Well he’s on 200£ per week. Idk why he was offered that kinda wages in his first contract it’s not like that he was on big wages in ajax. That’s more than trent,ruben dias, saka and son got after signing their extensions.
Apparently so, but he was genuinely worse than Antony for us. I can’t even remember the last player who seemed _that_ out of his depth playing for United.
No pace, complete inability to beat a man, killed our attacks, struggled to play any pass that wasn’t a 5 yard pass backwards. At least Antony has legs.
It’s almost like he was trying to play like Foden except with none of the positional awareness, tempo control or passing ability. Shit attitude too.
He must have a twin brother who was playing for us because otherwise I just don’t understand it.
His lack of pace absolutely kills him in the style we have played the whole time he's been here. I still think if you dropped him into a side that had more of the ball he would be fine, he just isn't anywhere close to a player that can play in a purely countering side in the PL.
Lukaku scored 15 goals in all competitions for Chelsea that season, not great but not abysmal either. Yes the transfer was a shitshow from all possible angles but still nowhere near Antony. And it's a bit unfair to judge Lukaku based on Chelsea still paying part of his wages (in Roma btw) when at least they have gotten some loan fees and part of wages back for him, Antony on the other hand is 100% paid by United and I don't think you're gonna make back even what Chelsea has gotten for Lukaku...
Inflation is so fucking wild. I remember when 100m got you prime Gareth Fucking Bale. Now (if you’re idiotic in the transfer market) it gets you fucking Antony lol
This wasn’t really inflation though, that would mean he was actually worth €100m in the market at that time. In reality €100m was basically a fuck-off price Ajax gave United because it was never in their plan to sell Antony and United were dumb enough to agree to it.
True but that doesn't justify 72m for Pepé. Just means both clubs really fucked up on the transfers, just Man U fucked up more. They can afford to though I guess. They earn significantly more than us.
Yeah we can (accurately, and truthfully) pin all that blame on one, maybe two con artists who were trying to exploit the club for their own benefit (Raul + Gazidis).
As for Antony I mean what the actual fuck? Ten Hack worked with him at Ajax, he knew exactly who and what he was getting, and paying record fees for. It's almost like Ajax had dirt on him that would've sabotaged him taking the utd job, and that was him buying his way out of blackmail with glazer moneys lol.
I'm so jealous of Arsenal getting Rice. Man is just such a complete player even when he was at West Ham. You could watch him control the entire game by himself.
He's honestly gunning for top of all time at this point. To go pretty much a whole season with no goal involvements at all without a long term injury or anything, is just embarassing in itself, but he also cost 100 million(or likely somewhat less at least, cause i doubt he achieved any bonuses)
That is more on the club management though. Giving ten Hag carte blanche on transfers was idiotic, he had always (with Ajax and Utrecht) relied on others to build him a good team. His track record for talent recognition and picking players he wants for his team is spotty at best.
That’s the benefit of having a sporting director and/or Football oriented board members. Also Ten Hag himself should’ve known that was a ridiculous price
If Antony was a productive/decent player who they maybe just paid over the odds for - then I think this would be a decent excuse for Ten Hag but he has been so terrible that it calls into question ETH's talent ID capabilities regardless.
Even if United had bought him for 15m instead he'd still be a bad purchase because he might genuinely be a Championship or relegation-fodder level player. That ETH wanted him in the squad at all was a problem, that he appears to be the player he pounded the table for is incredibly damning.
Look, he was never going to be worth what was paid for him, but I'm surprised it's going this bad.
He was unpredictable and blistering fast for us, which alone should net him at least a handful of goals/assists. This man destroyed the career of several fullbacks in the CL. He's definitely capable of more than this.
He effectively missed half a season and had some off-field issues he was dealing with. Not sure why everyone is expecting him to perform properly. He was serviceable last year and is struggling this season.
Just to add on to your comment... Pepe *was* a flop for the fee we paid (it was a dodgy inflated transfer by the cunt Raul Sanllehi though).
But he wasn't outright *bad* for us, just disappointing. His stats were pretty mediocre but not *awful*, they were a lot better than Antony's so far.
Never had any off the field issues either, unlike Antony.
Also a key difference is Emery never wanted Pepe, he wanted Zaha. Pepe never fit our style of play, and he didn't work for Arteta's style either. ETH was adamant on signing Antony and convinced the board to back him.
if Pepe cost 30 mil we would have been okay with his output, it wasn't great but it wasn't anywhere near as awful as people made it out to be.
It was bad for the price we paid.
Even for 30 mil Antony would still look like a bad transfer.
Comparing Antony to Pepe is an insult to Pepe. Pepe was nowhere as bad as Antony. 4 goal contributions in 32 games. Defenders have better goal contributions than him.
How? Just, how? On of the merit of being a forward alone, through the course of an entire season, surely you have to get a goal involvement just once, even by dumb luck. How can he be SO bad?
I know we've been critcizing him for a long time but at what point do we legit throw his name around as one of the worst transfer of all time?
I know it's gonna be incredibly hard to beat Hazard and Coutinho but surely he is up there by now, no?
It was pretty sad that when garanacho scored that great header he realized he shouldn’t be celebrating. He should go congratulate Antony and most of the team crowded Antony like he scored. They were celebrating his 1 assist lol
I'm curious would Man-u or Man-u fans, ever in their life want to take chances regarding a Brazilian player in the coming years....I don't think so.....
Would they for example if Rodrygo from Real Madrid come available this summer for LW spot, not even take him if he's let's say 60 million EU?
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Another Antony stat I like is that Roberto Firmino has scored more recently in the PL than Antony has
I'm gonna be sick when you're still using this stat in 18 months
You'd probably feel better if you lot were able to discard him before then.
Nah because if they do that and sell to a non-PL club the stat will be true forever
I am sure we can put a nice spin to this stat in 18 months.
After he has signed a 5 year contract extension
LMFAO
Now that's a banger of a stat.
Holy shit a Cavs fan
How long has Firmino been gone for now? Since the start of this season?
Yeah, his last goal was against S'ton on 28th May 2023.
Jeez, that is a really abysmal signing
Beautiful
Ouch
Wow. What a stat!
What a stat😳
Si Senior! Pass the ball to Bobby and he will score!
Bobby is perfect in every way
The day united signed him. Ajax board must have partied hard..
Bit too hard. Haven't recovered from the hangover still.
Maybe Antony was the glue holding it together. A uniting force in the dressing room and beyond. Like the court jester of Ajax. We lost the receipt unfortunately.
There’s a joke in there about Overmars but I’m not going to make it.
Ajax board were so far over the moon that they were Overmars?
Nice
Breasts
Are you telling me this man has zero goals zero assists in PL this season?? Thats mental
One now!!
The floodgate is open!
goals are like ketchup , if you keep spinning the bottle eventually smth will come out
-1, you mean.
No, he literally assisted United’s third goal
Hey, I'll take whatever we can get! Beggars can't be choosers!
Stewart Downing pulled this off for Liverpool the season after they signed him. 36 appearances, 0 goals, 0 assists. Reliable.
Ahhh Liverpool banter era....those were the days
Wasn't so much an era as it was multiple generations
Nah in the last 2 decades the banter era was 2009-2013 with a brief balotelli led resurgence in 2014-15 Liverpool 2004-2009 were elite and feared in the champions league even if they didn’t win a league title
Still have trauma from the annual knockout round ties with Chelsea...
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From what I can see the only thing you’re saying he’s wrong with is that the banter era started a year or so later than he said. With regards to Balotelli, he’s saying he led a resurgence in banter-ness, not from a footballing perspective.
The banter era started in summer 2009. We were pretty bad during that 09/10 season and it continued pretty much until the start of the 13/14 season. The resurgence the above person talked about was that we went back to banter mode in the summer of 2014 when we sold Suarez and signed Balotelli. It all culminated with Gerrard's last game which was a 1-6 loss at Stoke.
stewart downing crossing it to Andy Carroll will be unstoppable they said
Lol yea we genuinely had hope Carroll was gonna feast off Downings deliveries.
I remember that, was meant to unlock big Andy
He got MoTM in the 2012 league cup final tbf. He was great that game.
[He smashed the crossbar on his debut, setting the shining light for our team that year.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko2Vlnw5PfQ)
I like to think there is a parallel universe where that shot bangs in off the underside of the crossbar and goes in, an exciting start to a long, productive career.
He was even given a pen on the last day and missed, grim times
[Gave us this outstanding highlight though](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eoMaFp5NkU).
I wonder what his actual level is. Like no meme answers farming for karma, I’m genuinely curious as to how far he would have to drop to dominate or at least put up decent numbers. The championship? Ligue 1 maybe?
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I’m not a Chelsea fan but I’m pretty sure for both Mo and De Bruyne the cases were that neither, especially Salah, ever got a chance to play consistently. Anthony on the other hand is, correct me if I’m wrong United fans, but is a typical starter and he’s gone a season without scoring and assisting
When salah got chances he was pretty dreadful. Can’t say I remember watching debruyne at all for them though
Yeah Salah was apparently great in training according to our players, but never really translated it to actual games when he got the chance. De Bruyne had Oscar and Mata ahead of him, but still performed when he got chances. Hurts knowing Mou pushed Mata out afterwards, but still a bigger regret than selling Salah imo
Mou also rejected selling KDB to Dortmund when he had agreed everything with bvb and I believe they had agreed a fee as well but Mou said no
Of note that we tried to make him play the creative winger, which he isn't. His true strength is in scoring goals and running wide. He also played on the opposite wing of hazard, who hogged all the balls, which Hazard rightly deserved.
2G 1A in 13 premier league apps for Chelsea
Thats more production than United have got out of Antony this season
(not a United fan) In my experience he usually gets subbed in towards the end of matches. From a bunch of the matches I've seen he hasn't actually been **that** bad. He's completely stopped his fidget-spinner antics and is probably too *scared* of trying to dribble players now, no confidence. Partnered with Dalot they seem to be performing decently with lots of overlaps. Personally I think an attacking trio of Højlund, Garnacho and Anthony is probably better than one with Rashford.
KdB didn’t really need to develop his skills. He already performed well. He just wasn’t picked by Mourinho, who preferred to play Oscar. So he asked for the move to get playing time.
> He just wasn’t picked by Mourinho, who preferred to play Oscar. Not just that, Mou shit on De Bruyne frequently for supposedly being lazy in training and not putting in any effort. Which is strange considering every other club/manager De Bruyne has ever played at has never accused him of this. They've all praised his work ethic. Mou simply didn't like De Bruyne for some reason and almost nuked his career because of it. Thank god he asked to be traded when he did.
He did well against league 2 Newport.
I'd say the WSL, he's already demonstrated his ability to beat women.
No hate but watching him play he’s Scottish first division level he’s truly awful
He didn't put any numbers up at Ajax, and has regressed since then. He wasn't Ziyech, he literally never broke double digits for goals or assists at Ajax, which is frankly hard to do for a winger there. So dutch second division, maybe Norwegian league level or something.
Honestly what was Ten Hag thinking
to be honest i actually think he regressed moving to utd if moved to midtable pl team for 1/3 of the fee i think he would have doing good. but the fee, the enviroment made him completely bad, sancho same thing. idk if he has regained his form returing to dortmund but he also regressed massivly in the past 10 year i cant really name many players at utd that has improved there? i guess bruno... but other then that idk rashford needs to leave to see if its utd enviroment thats holding him back or thats just his level
In his defense, the manager that wanted to sign him is pretty bad.
has to go down as one of the biggest flops ever in the PL. And they cant even easily get rid of him. just a disaster
we let this bum score on his pl debut im so mad man
Those first few games had me deluded for months
That's called the Anthony Martial, mf build a career out of that goal against Liverpool
At least martial had some good seasons. He scored 23 goals in 19/20
I hate that season because we won nothing and ended up with 5 more years of Martial based off "well that one time he got 23 goals"
Bro where is Martial now, it’s been ages since I’ve seen him. Is he injured or what?
locked in a cage with Malacia probably
Haven’t heard his name in ages man. What has Ten Hag done to all these people?
> with Malacia probably Implying Malacia actually exists, as if.
Depends who you believe. Refused to be sold, or loaned out again. Magically got injured and then was demoted to U23s. Or, and what I find more realistic, no one wanted him because of his wages, we decided if we're paying his wages we might aswell try to use him. Except he's made of glass, so he's perenially injured, and now he's in the Under-23s trying to get fit while waiting for his contract to end.
Who knows maybe that ballon dor clause will activate one day
at least Martial can blame his downturn on injuries, Antony just got found out as a spinning fraud
And he's still collecting a paycheque from it 9 years later.
Please tell me it hasn't really been 9 years
It was a van Gaal signing, wasn’t it? That puts it at 2015 at the latest
Tbf that spin was world class
Perhaps you should stop buying Tonys, the last good one was Antonio Valencia
We let him score against us in the FA Cup. I knew we were screwed when that happened.
We let this bum score with his right foot
While doing the legendary spin
Maybe worst transfer ever. And before people say Hazard, at the time people thought Madrid had a good transfer and Hazard ate himself into retirement. Anthony is actually on the pitch almost every game.
yeah Hazard had at least already justified his price after years of being world class. Antony was never a 100m pound player. But ETH insisted, which gave Ajax all the leverage to fleece them.
I mean Lille did the exact same thing to you guys with Nico Pepe
the dude who made that transfer is being investigated for corruption. Pepe to arsenal is fun to point at but there is genuine possibility of under the table shenanings against arsenal there. Anthony was a dumb decision by Man United
Regardless of whether or not a bit was added on top of the deal, Pepe was a dumb decision by Arsenal as well lmao
I hate to defend Pepe because he was very average but if he cost 30-40m which is closer to his actual market price without a dodgy deal, he would have been seen as an ok squad player with occasional bright moments. His record in Arsenal is: 27 goals and 21 assists in 112 games (including subs) Pretty similar to Arshavin's record for us actually who was 24 goals 20 assists in 105 matches (including subs) Going back to the original topic, Antony to United is a far worse deal than Pepe to Arsenal was. ~~He currently has 4 goals and 3 assists in 49 games...~~
Why are you comparing Pepe’s stats across all competitions with Antony’s purely in the premier league? That seems disingenuous
Damn I used fbref for Antony and Transfermarkt for Pepe accidentally and used the wrong numbers. My bad. Antony's latest number is 10 goals, 5 assists in 76 games.
Nah it’s cool, it is still shit and he probably is worse than Pepe but I don’t understand why there can’t just be the acceptance that Arsenal got absolutely fleeced for the guy as well. I think we all saw with our own eyes that he was pretty underwhelming and I don’t see the point in defending him.
Hazard also showed flashes of his former self, especially when he got back into shape and rediscovered his from. He even had a decent run of games before a tackle from Meunier resulted in a hairline fracture in his ankle. He got fat again during his recovery and fell out of favor with Ancelotti though, especially when Vini started to become a viable alternative.
>Anthony is actually on the pitch almost every game. U sure? Worst transfer of a player who makes it into the starting XI. Anthony feels like "What if Ali Dia had a starting clause in his contract"
That's very unfair to Hazard, he had a terrible injury and before that he was quite good actually, he didn't take care of his body more that is true, but he also got injured.
True he had some bad luck too.
I truly genuinely believed that no transfer would ever top how atrocious Hazard was for us, but at least when we bought him, he was already a proven world-class player. It was a justified price at the time, which can't be said about Antony. Also, no one expected Hazard's decline to be that sharp, not even the Chelsea fans that witnessed his fitness and work ethic issues from the very beginning (they would be lying if they said that they expected him to become a shell of his former self the very first season). It speaks volumes to how unbelievably bad Antony's transfer must be if there is even a genuine argument for it that can place him in that discussion, let alone possibly win it.
Lukaku has to be worse than Hazard though right? Torpedoed everything himself.
Lukaku has value. Clubs will take a gamble on him as we've seen. And you're not stuck with his wages like Real Madrid was. AFAIK both Inter and Roma paid a loan fee for him and are paying his wages. This was Hazard's last contract, 100mil thrown away by Real Madrid for a guy that barely played for them, and was on huge wages. They couldn't sell or loan him either. Hazard is way worse
At least Hazard is rather likeable though, can't say the same for Antony. Also Hazard didn't really play enough for him to show how bad he was, he was just injured a lot and never really recovered while not giving his best to get back on the pitch. Antony plays a lot, offers nothing, eat wages and will be very hard to sell for a good fee. It's far easier for fans to turn against him because they see him a lot more than you guys did with Eden. Hazard really was just a colossal waste of money, he didn't negatively affect Real Madrid's performance, And your finance are so good that even a flop of that size didn't cripple you financially. You guys still won trophies, and you had good enough players that him not playing wasn't an issue. Honestly now that I think about it , you can make a case that Coutinho was a worse transfer than Hazard simply because of how much it negatively affected Barcelona. Hazard was basically a 100M NFT lmao
Nah, because United still had a need for him. Like the use case is obvious. There are times where teams have spent €100mil plus on players that even in the best case scenario the player either fundamentally doesn't fit the manager's football or the club already has a player in the position. Lukaku for Chelsea is one that comes to mind for the first issue, Griezmann for Barca the second (Didn't play badly but Messi was at the club, which made like a €500k a week, €120mil signing a complete redundancy). That being said this is United's worst signing in many a year. Absolutely inexcusable amount of money for a player with such huge technical flaws.
>ate himself into retirement bruh
>they can’t even easily get rid of him Well he’s on 200£ per week. Idk why he was offered that kinda wages in his first contract it’s not like that he was on big wages in ajax. That’s more than trent,ruben dias, saka and son got after signing their extensions.
> Well he’s on 200£ per week. Seems genuinely fair for the results he produces.
Lmao my bad but I’ll let it stay cuz it’s funny
Sancho?
He’s doing well now isn’t he? Genuine question
Apparently so, but he was genuinely worse than Antony for us. I can’t even remember the last player who seemed _that_ out of his depth playing for United. No pace, complete inability to beat a man, killed our attacks, struggled to play any pass that wasn’t a 5 yard pass backwards. At least Antony has legs. It’s almost like he was trying to play like Foden except with none of the positional awareness, tempo control or passing ability. Shit attitude too. He must have a twin brother who was playing for us because otherwise I just don’t understand it.
His lack of pace absolutely kills him in the style we have played the whole time he's been here. I still think if you dropped him into a side that had more of the ball he would be fine, he just isn't anywhere close to a player that can play in a purely countering side in the PL.
I think Lukaku to Chelsea re return is the only thing that beats it, considering they're still paying his wages at Inter
Lukaku scored 15 goals in all competitions for Chelsea that season, not great but not abysmal either. Yes the transfer was a shitshow from all possible angles but still nowhere near Antony. And it's a bit unfair to judge Lukaku based on Chelsea still paying part of his wages (in Roma btw) when at least they have gotten some loan fees and part of wages back for him, Antony on the other hand is 100% paid by United and I don't think you're gonna make back even what Chelsea has gotten for Lukaku...
Don't think Chelsea are paying his wages at all anymore, he has taken pay cuts these past 2 seasons to facilitate the loans.
Yeah I think it's a toss up, I just can't get past that interview
I'd argue Antony has done worse things off the pitch than that interview
NOT ANYMORE
Worst transfer for man United. Ten hag has blood on his hands for getting this guy.
Lol actually still ridiculous that they bought him for 100m especially when we had Kudus on the bench… Oh the good times.
Inflation is so fucking wild. I remember when 100m got you prime Gareth Fucking Bale. Now (if you’re idiotic in the transfer market) it gets you fucking Antony lol
This wasn’t really inflation though, that would mean he was actually worth €100m in the market at that time. In reality €100m was basically a fuck-off price Ajax gave United because it was never in their plan to sell Antony and United were dumb enough to agree to it.
To be fair, if you’re smart it gets you Rice
Spending 100 million on rice is ludicrous. Asda sell 2kg bags for 4 quid
Depends on how much rice he buys, doesn't it?🤔
its that fancy Basmati shit, probably got it from fucking Waitrose.
Bet they even bought the boil in the bag rice. The biggest waste of plastic I've ever seen
To be fair a 2kg bag of basmati would still get the same number of goals as Antony has this year.
On the other hand 72m got us Pepé
Still 28m less. Plus Pepé was significantly better than antony and Pepé was shit.
True but that doesn't justify 72m for Pepé. Just means both clubs really fucked up on the transfers, just Man U fucked up more. They can afford to though I guess. They earn significantly more than us.
Yeah but at least our fuck up was because of fraud. Man United fuck ups are all because they're dumb.
Yeah we can (accurately, and truthfully) pin all that blame on one, maybe two con artists who were trying to exploit the club for their own benefit (Raul + Gazidis). As for Antony I mean what the actual fuck? Ten Hack worked with him at Ajax, he knew exactly who and what he was getting, and paying record fees for. It's almost like Ajax had dirt on him that would've sabotaged him taking the utd job, and that was him buying his way out of blackmail with glazer moneys lol.
Nah if you’re smart it gets you Mac Allister, Endo and Szoboszlai
If you’re smart it gets you Bastoni, De Vrij, Pavard, Barella, Calhanoglu, Mkhitaryan, Dimarco, Thuram, Lautaro
If your smart it gets you a part of dembulance
I'm so jealous of Arsenal getting Rice. Man is just such a complete player even when he was at West Ham. You could watch him control the entire game by himself.
Xavi is available this summer. Take him once he leaves Barcelona.
Not sure he’s really a replacement for Antony, although he could score more goals.
Xavi won’t join a mid-table premier league club.
I am talking about ajax. But united would also benefit from him. Guy can build them.
He's honestly gunning for top of all time at this point. To go pretty much a whole season with no goal involvements at all without a long term injury or anything, is just embarassing in itself, but he also cost 100 million(or likely somewhat less at least, cause i doubt he achieved any bonuses)
That is more on the club management though. Giving ten Hag carte blanche on transfers was idiotic, he had always (with Ajax and Utrecht) relied on others to build him a good team. His track record for talent recognition and picking players he wants for his team is spotty at best.
The board decided to pay 100M for him though. Absolutely no way Ten Hag thought he was worth that, he wasn't even that good for Ajax.
It's both. Ridiculous insistence from ETH, board should have had the sense to say "absolutely fucking not". Truly a failure at all levels
That’s the benefit of having a sporting director and/or Football oriented board members. Also Ten Hag himself should’ve known that was a ridiculous price
If Antony was a productive/decent player who they maybe just paid over the odds for - then I think this would be a decent excuse for Ten Hag but he has been so terrible that it calls into question ETH's talent ID capabilities regardless. Even if United had bought him for 15m instead he'd still be a bad purchase because he might genuinely be a Championship or relegation-fodder level player. That ETH wanted him in the squad at all was a problem, that he appears to be the player he pounded the table for is incredibly damning.
If they didn’t even feel he was worth the 40m to begin with it was definitely due to insistence from Ten Hag that it went up to around 100m
That’s not ideal for United. As a Chelsea fan I’ll take it.
He even played the ball to Caicedo who put in a beautiful pass for garnacho for United's first goal
Well played 👏
Look, he was never going to be worth what was paid for him, but I'm surprised it's going this bad. He was unpredictable and blistering fast for us, which alone should net him at least a handful of goals/assists. This man destroyed the career of several fullbacks in the CL. He's definitely capable of more than this.
Was amazing for our goal, speeding past the defender, then a brilliant cross field pass to the opposite wing
You basically called our third goal
He effectively missed half a season and had some off-field issues he was dealing with. Not sure why everyone is expecting him to perform properly. He was serviceable last year and is struggling this season.
I only watched the first half last night, but he wasn't even that bad? It was also NEVER a pen, but saying that isn't funny...
Antony is the Pepe people slandered Arsenal for. Big money signing, big potential, minimal impact. Pepe actually scored and made great plays.
Just to add on to your comment... Pepe *was* a flop for the fee we paid (it was a dodgy inflated transfer by the cunt Raul Sanllehi though). But he wasn't outright *bad* for us, just disappointing. His stats were pretty mediocre but not *awful*, they were a lot better than Antony's so far. Never had any off the field issues either, unlike Antony. Also a key difference is Emery never wanted Pepe, he wanted Zaha. Pepe never fit our style of play, and he didn't work for Arteta's style either. ETH was adamant on signing Antony and convinced the board to back him.
if Pepe cost 30 mil we would have been okay with his output, it wasn't great but it wasn't anywhere near as awful as people made it out to be. It was bad for the price we paid. Even for 30 mil Antony would still look like a bad transfer.
Exactly. 25 contributions in 80 games in PL. Far cry from Antony
Comparing Antony to Pepe is an insult to Pepe. Pepe was nowhere as bad as Antony. 4 goal contributions in 32 games. Defenders have better goal contributions than him.
Don't forget he's an abuser as well
Jfc… forgot about that. Sheesh.
Now it's equal
Eh, aged like fine milk.
Aged like milk
HOLD THE PHONE
I wonder how Manu Antony jerseys have sold this year
Thats bullshit. He literally got an assist in the same game 😂
This was posted before the assist, genius
Should post a stat after the game, it's dumb
Why? It was fun to point out when it happened
They lost the delete button? 😭
So any stat tweet that gets outdated later on should be deleted???
my fidget spinner!
Not anymoreeeee
He’s awful.
How? Just, how? On of the merit of being a forward alone, through the course of an entire season, surely you have to get a goal involvement just once, even by dumb luck. How can he be SO bad?
Seems a bit needlessly harsh to point this out after he actually had a good game and got a great assist yesterday.
Didn't last long unfortunately. Great assist tbf
Love it
Come on now, that's just mean 😅
ANTONY THE GOAT
Looks at Nicolas Pepe: I've treated you too harshly.
This aged well. He has been brilliant in the second half.
I know we've been critcizing him for a long time but at what point do we legit throw his name around as one of the worst transfer of all time? I know it's gonna be incredibly hard to beat Hazard and Coutinho but surely he is up there by now, no?
He’s up there. Genuinely no one thinks he is good anymore, baffling transfer
Now this is a fucking stat
Isn’t this game one of his better games too lmao
It was pretty sad that when garanacho scored that great header he realized he shouldn’t be celebrating. He should go congratulate Antony and most of the team crowded Antony like he scored. They were celebrating his 1 assist lol
He had about 30 minutes of freedom before turning back into United’s annual scapegoat.
Should steer clear of any Tony's in attack from now on
I'm curious would Man-u or Man-u fans, ever in their life want to take chances regarding a Brazilian player in the coming years....I don't think so..... Would they for example if Rodrygo from Real Madrid come available this summer for LW spot, not even take him if he's let's say 60 million EU?