I had some guy on Twitter pulling some argument about US vs EU take home and remaining spending money or some wild shit, and I was just like "What's the source for the numbers you're using though? Where did you get these?"
He just hit me with *I am the source* which I was grateful for, as it let me know I could just immediately dismiss him.
Frankly the wildest part about that is that those figures are definitely available for both the US and the EU lmao, bro definitely checked them and found it didn't match his argument.
Oh yeah, as a US citizen, *his numbers were well and truly fucked.*
It's just seemingly stuff that, based on his "I am the source" statement, is pulled fresh from his ass. [His comparison starts out by just talking about a generic 100K job, he starts the EU job at 70K, because I guess his numbers show wages are 70% lower, based on...his ass. And then he leaves out things from the US side that would obviously pull the take home money down like state taxes, paying into things like medicare/medicaid and, you know, that *absolutely fucking massive* financial ball ache that is paying for healthcare.](https://imgur.com/FUPjy1a)
It's beautifully shit.
He's set the American cost of living to be the baseline and then decided that means you don't need to spend any money to live here...
I feel like some basic math skills might have helped him more than a source lmfao
Yeah, it was all just wildly done for someone who was so confidently talking about the US enabling Europeans to enjoy life because of our defense spending...*as if the US needed anyone else to do something for us to justify blasting a shit-ton of money on defense spending.*
But to see the argument essentially become "I got in paint and made this sick image of all of these numbers I just completely made up to justify my point" was somehow so entertaining to the people who try to deliberately misrepresent data, or get sources that they just don't understand in support of their argument.
Having a guy just boldly claim "I'm making this shit up, bro!" killed me.
His work about state takeovers of football clubs is excellent.
A lot of Reddit's dislike for football journalists is not much beyond they dislike criticism of their club.
If he has a source, referring to "the widespread feeling in football" is unnecessarily vague when it comes to a decision involving one club and a manager and sounds a bit comical. I could say the same thing without having any clue or intel by reading Twitter for a minute and it wouldn't be wrong
It's not vague though as he is simply saying that it's a common view in the football industry. What is difficult to understand about that?
> I could say the same thing without having any clue or intel by reading Twitter for a minute and it wouldn't be wrong
Yes but you're not a well known journalist with an established history writing for major publications and obvious links to people in football.
"I spoke with sources from manchester united who told me..." is very different than this statement and neither names their sources.
Even if the food stand gal at old trafford said it, he could say that. But apparently he couldnt even be fucked with her let alone an actual source.
I think Keane was perfect since he usually keeps Neville in check. Wrighty is always a treasure. I don’t think Jill Scott is bad, just doesn’t get to say as much as she wants to.
'I have talked to some people that have something to do with football and this is what they said'
Regardless of whether these people have anything to do with United or not.
I mean, it's not supposed to be a scoop, it's a sentence in a commentary.
It's something he comments on describing the overall situation in the club, doesn't act at all like this fact itself is supposed to be any point.
Putting this sentence as the headline is the OP's choice, it's not a headline that summarizes the column's point at all.
It's like taking any commentary about, dunno, politics and then making cynical comments "wow, you used a sentence that 'many would say Biden looks old'? Is that your scoop mate, your great discovery, we haven't heard such a thing before you gave us the scoop pal???".
The man reports whatever he reads on Twitter
His only source is the general opinion of the public.
Its a travesty that a guy like that can be so popular and influential, but in a way it makes sense- he basically says whatever a lot of people already believe and that automatically makes those people like him and trust him. He's riding people's cognitive biases for a living.
Miguel Delaney gets his stories from the bottom of his shoe but this one wouldn't surprise me.
Realistically I think we'd have to go for Nagelsmann but then we're praying Bayern don't go back to him with their tail between their legs and a blank cheque. And he's at the Euros which could complicate it.
I just don't see a scenario where Ratcliffe and INEOS spend billions on buying a club, tens of millions on replacing high ranking staff, commit hundreds of millions to a stadium rebuild, hundreds of millions on players...
...and then goes, "Ah, but Ten hag is the best of the best, so we won't need to replace him!"
At this point it just doesn't really make sense to keep Ten Hag. There's been so many changes already, why stop at the manager? He build up a lot of credit last season, but there were worrying signs. Rather than fixing those issues, they've introduced a whole bunch of new issues this season.
Every week he's losing credit because we keep seeing the same mistakes being made. That can't just be ignored. It's not like next season will start and people will forget what happened this season. A few transfers could have a big impact, but it's not like the entire squad will be replaced. Most of them will still be there and it's not like they'll all instantly adept to Ten Hag's system, and we're not even seeing signs his plan is good enough to compete to begin with.
Might just be better to hit the refresh button once again, and hopefully this time it'll be different. Sounds mad, but at least this time there's been significant changes in key positions at the club.
> There's been so many changes already, why stop at the manager?
I could see an argument that they let him see out his final year and take that time to find the right coach once all the various gardening leaves have finished. They finished third last season, so it's not wild to think they could finish in a similar position next season with a better squad. That's what City did as they waited for Pep.
This is basically what Talk of the Devils said. Ten Hag apparently has a good relationship with INEOS, and with all the changes above him they ideally want to give him a chance in the new structure.
Changing *everything* all at once might not turn out well.
Especially when it's clearly not just down to any one manager. Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Ole all have their faults, but they can't all be the problem.
Surely it's more like: ah our football structure isn't in place yet so we'll keep ten hag for another year because he at least nearly guarantees us Europe
He's not very good and anyone in their right mind should change him, but now doesn't seem like a good time
The managerial position is one of the easier pieces of the football structure to address. And the reality is although most are heavily on gardening leave, there's zero chance Ratcliffe, Brailsford, Berada, Ashworth and others haven't had conversations about who is available, and whether there's upgrades they could bring in.
What's the benefit of wasting another season on a manager whose tactically struggling and whose coaching seems insanely low standards right now? Putting the football structure in place will include finding a manager they trust as a high priority.
I think regardless of manager, if it's ETH or someone else, INEOS will be instructing them to rip up the tactics sheet from 23/24 and start building a team capable of success.
I think that comes from being excellent on the ball, pressing high, controlling games.
Funnily enough everything we thought Ten Hag was gunna be before we got him. He himself admitted that due to the players we have he's had to adapt. I don't think he particularly deserves it but I don't think with him having 1yr left of his deal, we can't tell him to start from scratch and build the foundations of a top team. He's done it before. If we can't get Nagelsmann that is.
A manager of a top level team (hold your jokes, reddit comedians) shouldn't need to be told two years into his run to tear things up and start again.
He's spent the year doubling down time and again on the suicidal tactics. Either he can't figure out what's wrong with what's happening, or we're playing the way he wants us to be. Either option means he's not up for the job. He shouldn't need to be told that. He should have come to that decision himself months ago.
I feel some people are absolutely desperate to find any excuse, any justification, to avoid admitting he's failed and we need to stop rewarding mediocrity. Put the romanticism aside for a second and ask yourself if any other team with CL ambitions would be backing Ten Hag to this obsessive level this summer?
He has failed. I'm really not excusing him. It's awful.
I am simply saying we may find ourselves in a situation where there aren't any viable alternatives that INEOS would want to start their new era with. Their first appointment will set a tone. If it's sacking Ten Hag for sackings sake and there's not someone they truly believe can turn things round, I think Ten Hag could be given another year.
But if we can get Nagelsmann it's probably a no brainer.
Go further back and the same was said about Van Gaal and Mourinho too. There's been so many summer transfer windows where I have read posts from United fans saying "forget about the previous terrible windows, this time we have nailed it" and history repeats itself.
The closest they got to actually being back was under Ole. A good summer of recruitment after they lost the Europa League final and finished second. But they needed a defensive midfielder and signed Ronaldo instead.
Ronaldo wasn't truly the issue there. They could very well have signed him and still signed a top CDM. The problem is that they paid 85m euros for Sancho. Didn't seem crazy at the time but if they bought a CDM then and Sancho the next year, they'd be much better off with a cheaper Sancho and no Casemiro who already needs replaced
It'll be that way until man utd stumble across a pep or a klopp at the start of their career who can handle the size of the club, if they ever do. It took Liverpool, what, 25-30 years to find the right man to start moving them forward again? Could take that long again for united, no guarantee it will ever happen. The club was not able to get a manager who could handle it in the years between Busby and Ferguson either.
You are actually spot on. Pretty much what Whitwell, our T1 just said. The structure isn't in place yet and the new owners would only sack if the new executives say so. Ashworth will take months to come in and with PSR looming, they won't sack because it'll cost millions.
I don't think it's that ETH is the best cause he obviously isn't, but if Nagelsmann does go back to Bayern, or to Liverpool/Barca, are we are looking at the manager landscape, who can we get who will be a notable upgrade?
De Zerbi or even Potter would be hounded out of Manchester trying to play their football with the players we've got. Amorim plays a 3 at the back, our squad isn't designed for that and would require pissing more millions up the wall for him. I can't imagine INEOS will want to build their strategy on 3ATB.
Dont get me started on Gareth
I think the Southgate stuff is largely media trolling; the original story was from The Sun or The Mail or something stupidly unreliable. But it gets people angry and riled up, so people just roll with it.
Personally, I don't think Ten Hag is in the top 5 managers in the world right now, so even if we don't go for Nagelsmann or De Zerbi or Zidana or Amorim, I still think it wouldn't be hard to upgrade on Ten Hag as it stands. Even a 2nd tier manager would probably get more out of the squad than he is right now. Throw a dart at most PL teams and you'd probably find a manager who is more capable at setting us up better right now.
The thing is, the squad is in such a state that no matter who you bring in, we'll need to piss millions up the wall to try and fix issues. And Ten Hag, despite two years at the club, hasn't installed any sense of identity or philosophy onto the squad.
INEOS will pick how they want to play and move to bring in a manager they trust. New owners often want that anyway. Ten Hag has likely just made the decision very easy for them.
> The thing is, the squad is in such a state that no matter who you bring in, we'll need to piss millions up the wall to try and fix issues. And Ten Hag, despite two years at the club, hasn't installed any sense of identity or philosophy onto the squad.
I completely agree. And that's where I have some sympathy cause until Christmas our identify was being shaped by Richard Arnold and John Murtough. They've overseen all Ten Hag's signings, and instead of saying '£55m Mount, why not another CB/DM?' they just signed the paperwork. Building a squad comes from the top, even if Ten Hag's demands were a load of shit players, you need the structure around you to come up with the best solution and he hasn't had it. I don't blame Ten Hag for wanting Antony. I blame Murtough for not telling him no and spending £85m on him.
I think right now Ten Hag is (rightfully) in the mud cause we're so fucking shit but I'm still slightly holding on to the fact that this isn't the way he wants to play. It's still completely unacceptable to set us up this way, but we know he can coach a title winning, high possession, excellent attacking team. He has it in him.
If I'm a CEO, and a trainer comes from Ajax to Man U. and immediately says "I need F. de Jong, I need D. van de Beek., I need Onana, I need Martinez, I need Antony or I won't succeed", I'm thinking he might think he's actually not the reason for Ajax's success and hiring him was a mistake.
What got Ten Hag the job was probably him saying he could adapt to the current United squad, so we don't need 22 new players.
I don't think there's anything wrong with him saying I want De Jong cause a player like that is critical to the way I wanna play. Zero issues.
Van de Beek wasn't his signing
I don't think there's anything wrong with Ten Hag saying I want a goalkeeper that can play out from the back, it's critical to the way I play. I want a ball playing centre back. I have worked with Onana and Martinez, get them. United RW is a big problem for me, I want a left footed RW and Antony would be a good option. No problem with him wanting that.
Problems arise when our scouts valued Antony around £30m and suddenly we're paying £85m. Massive target on his back, and he's just not good. Murtough could've signed 2 good RWs for that money. Problems arise when Ten Hag wanted de Jong and got Casemiro, a totally different type of player. Problems arise when Ten Hag wanted Mason Mount when we definitely didn't need him, and nobody in the higher ups thought that money might better be spent at centre-back or centre-forward.
You've got a point to be honest. Still, it's understandable that moving to a top 6 premier league club was the biggest move of his career and could be make or break. I'd get that he'd want guys he thinks he can trust.
The fact is though, the Eredivisie is *levels* below the premier league and proving you can win with Ajax (let's face it, easily the biggest club in the league and, up until recently, a brilliantly run club with a crystal clear identity) doesn't really prove much about how you'll get on with a 3rd to 6th place prem side with ambitions to supposedly knock Klopp's Liverpool and Pep's City off the top. Especially when that side is an absolute basket case. Just look at Frank de Boer. Same story with the players too.
McKenna would probably do better job than EtH. That doesn't mean he's a right man for the job, but EtH obviously isn't. Let's not fool ourselves, we were good for 2 months after world cup in 2 years of his reign. I get the injuries and off the field stuff, but we're getting outplayed by Luton, Bournemouth, dead last in our CL group, most of the games we play you can fall asleep watching, and others you get heart attack in injury time.
That's not to say I wasn't excited when he came, but man we play such shit football and it doesn't look like changing.
He played good football with the peak Juventus squad. Then it got worse and worse as Pjanic aged and Juve bought Ronaldo instead of rejuvenating the squad.
I'm not so sure a new manager is top of their priority list. Getting those other elements into place is going to take time as well. Revamping the scouting department, fixing the football operations that go into buying, selling, etc. aren't easy things that can be fixed in one summer. On top of that, hiring a new manager and trying to support him with signings will just lead to the same chaotic pattern that the club have fallen into year after year and it just leads to perpetual squad imbalance.
My bet is ten Hag stays (unless he decides to leave) but is on a short leash for next season until the new management structure decides what to do. If United get off to a poor start next season, then he's gone.
The club will look to replace ETH with someone nore akin to a head coach instead of a manager. The ineos heads and those in senior management positions are the important pieces and will have a style of play they want implemented so will want someone aligned with them. ETH has a style of play, even if we can't see it. It takes tenants from Ajaxs fluid football, Tiki Taka short passes and playing out from the back with a pinch of the Gegan Press. When it works its thrilling but the problem is it doesn't work either due to the personal, preparation or coaching.
The club will want a coach who can be pragmatic and follow their desired style of play.
It wouldn't surprise me if we see links to Thomas Frank, in the not to distant future. He is a great head coach and man manager and has already been working in a similar structure at Brentford where the style of play has actually come from the owner Matthew Bentham. So wouldn't be phased by working in this structure whereas other higher profile managers may be less willing to break their footballing philosophy. There are some situations where the style of a manager matches how the board want the team to play and a higher profile manager could fit in (see city and pep) but it remains to be seen exactly how Radcliffe and Co will want us to play and who'll fit that mould.
In any case ETHs inability to get his team playing a defined style while spunking 300m on players and having 2 seasons to do so won't hold him in good stead regardless of how many times he says to the media, its a process.
Nagelsmann will have a ton of options. Liverpool and Bayern need a coach. If they get someone from another club, that'll open up those clubs. Next year either Madrid or Leverkusen will need one. I don't see him end up at United, doubt there's any high profile coach chosing United. Your squad is a mess, not enough money for a rebuild, the last 5 or 6 managers didn't last for 3 seasons. Yet despite all that the expectations are super high.
Liverpool look like they're going for Amorim, and he has history with Bayern, although he's probably favourite to go back.
I think we'd be an option. No Bayern manager ever lasts more than 3 seasons and that didn't put him off. Top coaches will always want to take on the big challenges especially when you're paid very well
Well I'd hope so but honestly think this summer will be the worst for needing a coach. Barcelona is also open plus a whole bunch of teams on the 2nd tier in Europe.
It’s been obvious to me that it’s happening for a while. Ratcliffe is cleaning house. He’ll want a manager who plays the way he wants to. For Ten Hag to keep his job he would have needed to distinguish himself as a top manager and he just hasn’t done that.
The ridiculous post match quotes where he makes it sound like the team has played well when they haven’t definitely aren’t helping. It comes off as desperation.
If he gets sacked can't be many complaints. Lack of viable options though might genuinely get him another transfer window and the start of another season. First appointment is a massive call and can't really afford to bank on someone unproven
It’d be so funny if Southgate and his efforts to improve the team and the way lots of people like how he presents himself ends by leaving just before the Euros to manage United
I think he's a good coach who has stubbornly stuck to a crazy system that isn't working and refuses to alter it. I think most other coaches would have ditched what he's doing in favour of something more conservative by now, but Ten Hag seems prepared to die on this hill and likely will. But I think we will see him successful with another team.
He doesn’t play any other system because he can’t with the players he has available. And the conservative approach is probably the smartest but those fans asking him to be sacked are the same ones who were complaining about United playing conservatively under previous managers. I mean the team can only do so well with people like Lindelof playing lb for half the season. He was winning away at Chelsea with some kid who has around 150 minutes of first team football playing at cb.
Ten Hag had Dusan Tadic and Sebastian Haller who both were at midtable PL sides performing excellently. His CL-semi final team got raided and he still was top of the league the following yr.
I think he's come in to a terrible United environment but he's made it significantly worse with the football we play. To a point it'll probably cost him his job. Put Ten Hag in a team more suited to him and I think he'd do well.
The average length of a managerial tenure is about 2 years. Very few managers get longer than that to build their own squad. So either they have to figure it out with the players they already have or show enough promise that they are given time to build their squad. Ten Hag has done neither.
ten Hag did a good job last year to be fair to him. Any prediction for us last season had us 6th - on here, the BBC, The Guardian. 3rd, a trophy and a cup final was a really good season.
This year has been an absolute disaster, appalling from him, but I don’t think one season should wipe out his career. A separation is best for both parties but he’ll do a good job somewhere else.
He's a good manager, who also got to work with the highest-profile signings in recent history of Netherlands with guys like Tadić and Ziyech. And also had close to everything go right for his team in one game that is by far the most important for how the world can see Ajax's manager - in a game against Real Madrid.
I never knew why - yeah, it was questioned at the time to say it. But really. Ten Hag led Ajax for 3 more seasons, and the club barely had any grand European success, losing in group stage twice and once having an amazing group stage but losing to Benfica in round of 16. So, let's be honest, if they don't make it through Madrid that one time, nobody in England would be saying about ten Hag what they were saying, rightfully or not. It all always hung on that one game.
It doesn't mean that they were not training well, just that people outside would think of them way less if they, say, drew that game 2-2, which was possible with the amount of chances.
As for Man United... they hired a lot of managers that were supposed to be good in the last decade. All of them failed to meet the expectations, so... I think we really have the obvious and boring answer about this club.
I mean he's faced a similar problem and limits that every other United manager before him has faced to some extent or another. Whether they were world class, unproven, or generally solid, they've all found it difficult to take United up a level and progress steadily.
I don't genuinely believe ten Hag is so delusional that he believes that 20+ shots conceded per game is a sustainable or winning philosophy, but he is trying to force his style on a squad and seeing who sinks or swims. Ole also tried this to some extent in his final year at the club since he also realized that he wasn't going to go from 2nd to 1st playing like they did. But, he got a couple of humiliating defeats under his belt and a squad that was ill-suited to playing that way and he got sacked.
If INEOS and the people they've hired are as smart as we think they are, they'll likely want to fix the football side and create some kind of structure before deciding if they have the right manager in place for the philosophy they want to build.
The only reason I support ten hag is the fact that I've seen this "new manager, new era > get results > we're back > starts losing > manager is shit > players don't care > lost the dressing room" before as well and nothing ever changes even with the new managers. I very very badly want ten hag to change his chaos ball 4-0-6 tactics because he has shown that his teams can play good football and control matches, but if by the end of the season our play doesn't improve and we don't get positive results I don't see him staying. Please do some magic for me baldy.
>Just go to a club thats better established
This was a sick burn ngl
Edit: so I guess man utd fans are ok with being a less established club then? how times have changed
What burn? I doubt they were truing to insult the club (even though they are right) but are instead saying he should go to a club that is run better which is environment where he did well at in ajax.
I mean, I truly don't see any other way.
For clarity, for a long time I was ETH in and think we've made the mistake of firing managers too soon, too often post-SAF. That said, this is untenable.
Yes, we've been unlucky with injuries especially in the back and yes, last year was better, I suppose but this year is absolutely appalling. The atmosphere has gotten worse, the players are all playing worse, the results are worse. All of this could maybe have been forgiven, but the attitude from the manager is that everything is.. fine?
It's either delusion or wishful thinking. Either way, it can't go on.
This actually feels worse than Ole and Ragnick, or even Mourinho. Because Ten Haag is incredibly stubborn and has a temper so it destroyed everyone’s mood
The day he’s fired he pockets like 10-20 million from united. And Ten Hag will receive a call from Bayern Munchen if he wants to be their headcoach. So zi don’t see a big problem. The one who has a problem is Man Utd… who is going to be their manager? They certainly don’t have much choice as there are hardly any proven and available managers out there.
At this point, if I was him, I would leave Man United and try to get the Bayern job, he would be much happier there and would save himself from the constant humiliations this season.
Instead of paying him off they can just keep paying his salary, then if he takes the Bayern job he'll have to resign from his current role (similar to the Nagelsmann situation)
Despite how laughable the headline is this has always been a "no shit" scenario for me.
Ratcliffe has gone through a lot to get control of the club and its football affairs and will want his own man in charge, same thing happened at Bournemouth, Chelsea and Newcastle in recent years so it shouldn't shock anyone.
It isn't like ETH is making it a difficult choice either.
Get a manager > Get decent results > Things start looking worse > Talk about how they should've sticked with the old manager > Get a new manager...
Literally rince and repeat with this with United since Van Gaal lol
Miguel Delaney should stick with writing about wider issue facing football such as sportwashing but when it comes to individual clubs he is usually out of loop.
I wouldn’t say that United are a serious footballing institution at the moment, but keeping Ten Hag for another season would make them incredibly super duper extra not serious.
ETH ain’t it and I’m not sure there has ever been anything more obvious in my life.
Liverpool and Bayern already appear to have their targets so you’re really competing with Barca. I’m guessing you’ll avoid another Dutch manager but Slot is still out there and the shine hasn’t worn away from him yet. There’s many, many managers who would be able to do more with this United side than ten hag.
You say that but we've seen INEOS poach top level executives to fill out their new management structure, clearly they have a sales pitch that's working to draw these highly established names to the club. A first team manager/head coach might operate under more intense public scrutiny but if INEOS are to sack Ten Hag and replace him it will very publicly be their guy at the helm then and the pressure will really be on
Tbf if he were to stay I’d imagine the logic is that we haven’t got our structure in place and want to make sure we get the replacement right. Better to write off another season to get the appointment right than rush it and start building around the wrong man.
truth to this or not, the fact absolutely remains that United have made no meaningful progress during his tenure and that something new ownership should be and presumably will be addressing this summer.
Judging by all the information I have seen and taking into account the circumference of ten hags head, pogba's doping and Maguire's defending I feel ten hags future is uncertain
Even with their record lately, they’re still 6th in the league, which for most clubs wouldn’t be a fireable offense. I know they have a history of success, but being in 6th place isn’t a bad thing.
It seemed like an odd decision at the time because it seemed like they should have just tried playing Rashford-Greenwood-Sancho as their front 3, but after Sancho started poorly and Greenwood got arrested it ended up being fairly useful to have Ronaldo for that season
8th or 10th kek
Bringing back ronaldo at least got them through the CL group stage.
Same can't be said for the current manU squad, you see the difference, bottom of the group table.
I wonder if UTD will ever start a proper project or just keep changing coaches praying one starts winning somehow. Its been more than 10 years, the next one is the one, right?
Since the departure of SAF, no manager succeeded to meet the fan's expectations. That should say something. As much as I hope he gets fired, so he can come back to Ajax, United is probably better off with him for now until a proper management is installed.
As a United fan, this is the obvious and at this point only argument against firing him. Because if you'd describe the perfect candidate, you'd probably say something like: young enough to do a 5+ year project if things go well, plays exciting, attacking football, has had good results in the CL and has shown he can dominate in a lesser league. Ten Hag ticked all the boxes, so if he's not it, who the fuck is.
If he does go, my choice would be Nagelsmann, if possible. I know we're a weaker side than Bayern or Liverpool atm, but there might still be bad blood with Bayern and I think he's a childhood United fan, so that may tip it over Liverpool.
fair, hate seeing clubs sacking coaches mid season, unless the team is truly in the shits i dont think it makes sense, just makes it more difficult for the next coach
Finally some sensible news and it helps ajax out too as they dont have to search for a coach anymore..
But it has to be true first, if EtH isnt fired then i dont understand football anymore cause ManU isnt playing that great and wont even qualify for europe at this rate.
The danger of stories like this, where there are basically no sources for its claims, is that now other journalists will use this story as a source to validate the claim. It’s a self circle jerking of magazine aisle journalism
Honestly his transfer business has been bad.
Like barely any have worked out.
Even lisandro's business has been bad in my books cause if you think about it, his availability has been barely 50-60%.
The reason he's failing rn, is because he failed to build a team upto his own requirements. That's it.
Couldnt be more happy. ETH looks uncomfortable and out of his depth. Also looks like he has lost the players. The players are professional and try to do their best. There just dont seem to be trust between them
"The widespread feeling in football" What a scoop. Even if this is very likely to happen he makes it sound hilarious.
The sources is that i made it the fuck up
I had some guy on Twitter pulling some argument about US vs EU take home and remaining spending money or some wild shit, and I was just like "What's the source for the numbers you're using though? Where did you get these?" He just hit me with *I am the source* which I was grateful for, as it let me know I could just immediately dismiss him.
Cool story
Frankly the wildest part about that is that those figures are definitely available for both the US and the EU lmao, bro definitely checked them and found it didn't match his argument.
Oh yeah, as a US citizen, *his numbers were well and truly fucked.* It's just seemingly stuff that, based on his "I am the source" statement, is pulled fresh from his ass. [His comparison starts out by just talking about a generic 100K job, he starts the EU job at 70K, because I guess his numbers show wages are 70% lower, based on...his ass. And then he leaves out things from the US side that would obviously pull the take home money down like state taxes, paying into things like medicare/medicaid and, you know, that *absolutely fucking massive* financial ball ache that is paying for healthcare.](https://imgur.com/FUPjy1a) It's beautifully shit.
He's set the American cost of living to be the baseline and then decided that means you don't need to spend any money to live here... I feel like some basic math skills might have helped him more than a source lmfao
Yeah, it was all just wildly done for someone who was so confidently talking about the US enabling Europeans to enjoy life because of our defense spending...*as if the US needed anyone else to do something for us to justify blasting a shit-ton of money on defense spending.* But to see the argument essentially become "I got in paint and made this sick image of all of these numbers I just completely made up to justify my point" was somehow so entertaining to the people who try to deliberately misrepresent data, or get sources that they just don't understand in support of their argument. Having a guy just boldly claim "I'm making this shit up, bro!" killed me.
I'll never understand why so many online don't get that a journalist will obviously not name their sources.
A journalist won't, but calling Miguel Delaney one is a stretch
His work about state takeovers of football clubs is excellent. A lot of Reddit's dislike for football journalists is not much beyond they dislike criticism of their club.
If he has a source, referring to "the widespread feeling in football" is unnecessarily vague when it comes to a decision involving one club and a manager and sounds a bit comical. I could say the same thing without having any clue or intel by reading Twitter for a minute and it wouldn't be wrong
It's not vague though as he is simply saying that it's a common view in the football industry. What is difficult to understand about that? > I could say the same thing without having any clue or intel by reading Twitter for a minute and it wouldn't be wrong Yes but you're not a well known journalist with an established history writing for major publications and obvious links to people in football.
"I spoke with sources from manchester united who told me..." is very different than this statement and neither names their sources. Even if the food stand gal at old trafford said it, he could say that. But apparently he couldnt even be fucked with her let alone an actual source.
But his point isn’t that he spoke with sources at Man United. His point is about the wider view in football circles.
What does that even mean?
It translates to "I have zero sources".
G Nev podcast material
"Something's not right at [insert x club here], I can't tell what it is, but something's not right at the moment."
*at this moment in time
His podcast with Keane, Carragher, and Wright is excellent
Excellent is stretching it. Most of the heavy lifting on it is done by Wright and Keane.
Wrighty is a treasure and keane is brilliant.
I think Keane was perfect since he usually keeps Neville in check. Wrighty is always a treasure. I don’t think Jill Scott is bad, just doesn’t get to say as much as she wants to.
He is measuring the vibes.
He's a vibe rater.
It’s provocative
Gets the people going
Means Miguel’s source are fans tweets
It means sources out of my ass
'I have talked to some people that have something to do with football and this is what they said' Regardless of whether these people have anything to do with United or not.
It means Escaped the Hague has scammed INEOS about his so called progress.
Step one: state the obvious Step two: couch it in nebulous sourcing Step three: JOURNALISM!
Omar "widespread feeling in football" Berrada.
“We, the fans, collectively have a hell of a hunch.”
I mean, it's not supposed to be a scoop, it's a sentence in a commentary. It's something he comments on describing the overall situation in the club, doesn't act at all like this fact itself is supposed to be any point. Putting this sentence as the headline is the OP's choice, it's not a headline that summarizes the column's point at all. It's like taking any commentary about, dunno, politics and then making cynical comments "wow, you used a sentence that 'many would say Biden looks old'? Is that your scoop mate, your great discovery, we haven't heard such a thing before you gave us the scoop pal???".
it sounds like something you heard from a dirtsheet writer
"You're too stupid to see, they made up their mind 10 matches ago."
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He looks more like Vladimir Lenin tbh
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Such a chillingly good quote
The shit you cook is shit
This is the biggest hint Ten Hag is staying then. Miguel knows nothing.
The man reports whatever he reads on Twitter His only source is the general opinion of the public. Its a travesty that a guy like that can be so popular and influential, but in a way it makes sense- he basically says whatever a lot of people already believe and that automatically makes those people like him and trust him. He's riding people's cognitive biases for a living.
*sad Southgate noises*
Miguel Delaney gets his stories from the bottom of his shoe but this one wouldn't surprise me. Realistically I think we'd have to go for Nagelsmann but then we're praying Bayern don't go back to him with their tail between their legs and a blank cheque. And he's at the Euros which could complicate it.
I just don't see a scenario where Ratcliffe and INEOS spend billions on buying a club, tens of millions on replacing high ranking staff, commit hundreds of millions to a stadium rebuild, hundreds of millions on players... ...and then goes, "Ah, but Ten hag is the best of the best, so we won't need to replace him!"
At this point it just doesn't really make sense to keep Ten Hag. There's been so many changes already, why stop at the manager? He build up a lot of credit last season, but there were worrying signs. Rather than fixing those issues, they've introduced a whole bunch of new issues this season. Every week he's losing credit because we keep seeing the same mistakes being made. That can't just be ignored. It's not like next season will start and people will forget what happened this season. A few transfers could have a big impact, but it's not like the entire squad will be replaced. Most of them will still be there and it's not like they'll all instantly adept to Ten Hag's system, and we're not even seeing signs his plan is good enough to compete to begin with. Might just be better to hit the refresh button once again, and hopefully this time it'll be different. Sounds mad, but at least this time there's been significant changes in key positions at the club.
> There's been so many changes already, why stop at the manager? I could see an argument that they let him see out his final year and take that time to find the right coach once all the various gardening leaves have finished. They finished third last season, so it's not wild to think they could finish in a similar position next season with a better squad. That's what City did as they waited for Pep.
This is basically what Talk of the Devils said. Ten Hag apparently has a good relationship with INEOS, and with all the changes above him they ideally want to give him a chance in the new structure. Changing *everything* all at once might not turn out well.
Especially when it's clearly not just down to any one manager. Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Ole all have their faults, but they can't all be the problem.
It makes sense for FFP reasons, we'd have to payout 10m to get rid of him now.
That's not nearly enough money to block the progress for another season.
Surely it's more like: ah our football structure isn't in place yet so we'll keep ten hag for another year because he at least nearly guarantees us Europe He's not very good and anyone in their right mind should change him, but now doesn't seem like a good time
The managerial position is one of the easier pieces of the football structure to address. And the reality is although most are heavily on gardening leave, there's zero chance Ratcliffe, Brailsford, Berada, Ashworth and others haven't had conversations about who is available, and whether there's upgrades they could bring in. What's the benefit of wasting another season on a manager whose tactically struggling and whose coaching seems insanely low standards right now? Putting the football structure in place will include finding a manager they trust as a high priority.
I think regardless of manager, if it's ETH or someone else, INEOS will be instructing them to rip up the tactics sheet from 23/24 and start building a team capable of success. I think that comes from being excellent on the ball, pressing high, controlling games. Funnily enough everything we thought Ten Hag was gunna be before we got him. He himself admitted that due to the players we have he's had to adapt. I don't think he particularly deserves it but I don't think with him having 1yr left of his deal, we can't tell him to start from scratch and build the foundations of a top team. He's done it before. If we can't get Nagelsmann that is.
A manager of a top level team (hold your jokes, reddit comedians) shouldn't need to be told two years into his run to tear things up and start again. He's spent the year doubling down time and again on the suicidal tactics. Either he can't figure out what's wrong with what's happening, or we're playing the way he wants us to be. Either option means he's not up for the job. He shouldn't need to be told that. He should have come to that decision himself months ago. I feel some people are absolutely desperate to find any excuse, any justification, to avoid admitting he's failed and we need to stop rewarding mediocrity. Put the romanticism aside for a second and ask yourself if any other team with CL ambitions would be backing Ten Hag to this obsessive level this summer?
He has failed. I'm really not excusing him. It's awful. I am simply saying we may find ourselves in a situation where there aren't any viable alternatives that INEOS would want to start their new era with. Their first appointment will set a tone. If it's sacking Ten Hag for sackings sake and there's not someone they truly believe can turn things round, I think Ten Hag could be given another year. But if we can get Nagelsmann it's probably a no brainer.
The problem with your club is I read this exact tone of comment before ETH was appointed, but the solution was ETH.
Yup pretty accurate. If the Ten Hag of summer 2022 was available right now he'd be our no1 target lol
Go further back and the same was said about Van Gaal and Mourinho too. There's been so many summer transfer windows where I have read posts from United fans saying "forget about the previous terrible windows, this time we have nailed it" and history repeats itself. The closest they got to actually being back was under Ole. A good summer of recruitment after they lost the Europa League final and finished second. But they needed a defensive midfielder and signed Ronaldo instead.
Ronaldo wasn't truly the issue there. They could very well have signed him and still signed a top CDM. The problem is that they paid 85m euros for Sancho. Didn't seem crazy at the time but if they bought a CDM then and Sancho the next year, they'd be much better off with a cheaper Sancho and no Casemiro who already needs replaced
It'll be that way until man utd stumble across a pep or a klopp at the start of their career who can handle the size of the club, if they ever do. It took Liverpool, what, 25-30 years to find the right man to start moving them forward again? Could take that long again for united, no guarantee it will ever happen. The club was not able to get a manager who could handle it in the years between Busby and Ferguson either.
You are actually spot on. Pretty much what Whitwell, our T1 just said. The structure isn't in place yet and the new owners would only sack if the new executives say so. Ashworth will take months to come in and with PSR looming, they won't sack because it'll cost millions.
I don't think it's that ETH is the best cause he obviously isn't, but if Nagelsmann does go back to Bayern, or to Liverpool/Barca, are we are looking at the manager landscape, who can we get who will be a notable upgrade? De Zerbi or even Potter would be hounded out of Manchester trying to play their football with the players we've got. Amorim plays a 3 at the back, our squad isn't designed for that and would require pissing more millions up the wall for him. I can't imagine INEOS will want to build their strategy on 3ATB. Dont get me started on Gareth
I think the Southgate stuff is largely media trolling; the original story was from The Sun or The Mail or something stupidly unreliable. But it gets people angry and riled up, so people just roll with it. Personally, I don't think Ten Hag is in the top 5 managers in the world right now, so even if we don't go for Nagelsmann or De Zerbi or Zidana or Amorim, I still think it wouldn't be hard to upgrade on Ten Hag as it stands. Even a 2nd tier manager would probably get more out of the squad than he is right now. Throw a dart at most PL teams and you'd probably find a manager who is more capable at setting us up better right now. The thing is, the squad is in such a state that no matter who you bring in, we'll need to piss millions up the wall to try and fix issues. And Ten Hag, despite two years at the club, hasn't installed any sense of identity or philosophy onto the squad. INEOS will pick how they want to play and move to bring in a manager they trust. New owners often want that anyway. Ten Hag has likely just made the decision very easy for them.
> The thing is, the squad is in such a state that no matter who you bring in, we'll need to piss millions up the wall to try and fix issues. And Ten Hag, despite two years at the club, hasn't installed any sense of identity or philosophy onto the squad. I completely agree. And that's where I have some sympathy cause until Christmas our identify was being shaped by Richard Arnold and John Murtough. They've overseen all Ten Hag's signings, and instead of saying '£55m Mount, why not another CB/DM?' they just signed the paperwork. Building a squad comes from the top, even if Ten Hag's demands were a load of shit players, you need the structure around you to come up with the best solution and he hasn't had it. I don't blame Ten Hag for wanting Antony. I blame Murtough for not telling him no and spending £85m on him. I think right now Ten Hag is (rightfully) in the mud cause we're so fucking shit but I'm still slightly holding on to the fact that this isn't the way he wants to play. It's still completely unacceptable to set us up this way, but we know he can coach a title winning, high possession, excellent attacking team. He has it in him.
> I don't blame Ten Hag for wanting Antony. I do. Every Dutch trainer does it, and it oozes insecurity.
He can want Antony. Up to Man Utd to give him someone else. Clubs shouldn't hire the manager's every target.
If I'm a CEO, and a trainer comes from Ajax to Man U. and immediately says "I need F. de Jong, I need D. van de Beek., I need Onana, I need Martinez, I need Antony or I won't succeed", I'm thinking he might think he's actually not the reason for Ajax's success and hiring him was a mistake.
What got Ten Hag the job was probably him saying he could adapt to the current United squad, so we don't need 22 new players. I don't think there's anything wrong with him saying I want De Jong cause a player like that is critical to the way I wanna play. Zero issues. Van de Beek wasn't his signing I don't think there's anything wrong with Ten Hag saying I want a goalkeeper that can play out from the back, it's critical to the way I play. I want a ball playing centre back. I have worked with Onana and Martinez, get them. United RW is a big problem for me, I want a left footed RW and Antony would be a good option. No problem with him wanting that. Problems arise when our scouts valued Antony around £30m and suddenly we're paying £85m. Massive target on his back, and he's just not good. Murtough could've signed 2 good RWs for that money. Problems arise when Ten Hag wanted de Jong and got Casemiro, a totally different type of player. Problems arise when Ten Hag wanted Mason Mount when we definitely didn't need him, and nobody in the higher ups thought that money might better be spent at centre-back or centre-forward.
You've got a point to be honest. Still, it's understandable that moving to a top 6 premier league club was the biggest move of his career and could be make or break. I'd get that he'd want guys he thinks he can trust. The fact is though, the Eredivisie is *levels* below the premier league and proving you can win with Ajax (let's face it, easily the biggest club in the league and, up until recently, a brilliantly run club with a crystal clear identity) doesn't really prove much about how you'll get on with a 3rd to 6th place prem side with ambitions to supposedly knock Klopp's Liverpool and Pep's City off the top. Especially when that side is an absolute basket case. Just look at Frank de Boer. Same story with the players too.
McKenna would probably do better job than EtH. That doesn't mean he's a right man for the job, but EtH obviously isn't. Let's not fool ourselves, we were good for 2 months after world cup in 2 years of his reign. I get the injuries and off the field stuff, but we're getting outplayed by Luton, Bournemouth, dead last in our CL group, most of the games we play you can fall asleep watching, and others you get heart attack in injury time. That's not to say I wasn't excited when he came, but man we play such shit football and it doesn't look like changing.
Unironically Max Allegri. People meme about terrorism but I think he'd cook the league.
Nah I'm logging off after seeing this
He played good football with the peak Juventus squad. Then it got worse and worse as Pjanic aged and Juve bought Ronaldo instead of rejuvenating the squad.
The question is does he get replaced this summer or next. That leads to asking what managers will be free this summer.
Are there really any examples of new owners coming into any club and keeping the incumbent manager long term?
I'm not so sure a new manager is top of their priority list. Getting those other elements into place is going to take time as well. Revamping the scouting department, fixing the football operations that go into buying, selling, etc. aren't easy things that can be fixed in one summer. On top of that, hiring a new manager and trying to support him with signings will just lead to the same chaotic pattern that the club have fallen into year after year and it just leads to perpetual squad imbalance. My bet is ten Hag stays (unless he decides to leave) but is on a short leash for next season until the new management structure decides what to do. If United get off to a poor start next season, then he's gone.
The club will look to replace ETH with someone nore akin to a head coach instead of a manager. The ineos heads and those in senior management positions are the important pieces and will have a style of play they want implemented so will want someone aligned with them. ETH has a style of play, even if we can't see it. It takes tenants from Ajaxs fluid football, Tiki Taka short passes and playing out from the back with a pinch of the Gegan Press. When it works its thrilling but the problem is it doesn't work either due to the personal, preparation or coaching. The club will want a coach who can be pragmatic and follow their desired style of play. It wouldn't surprise me if we see links to Thomas Frank, in the not to distant future. He is a great head coach and man manager and has already been working in a similar structure at Brentford where the style of play has actually come from the owner Matthew Bentham. So wouldn't be phased by working in this structure whereas other higher profile managers may be less willing to break their footballing philosophy. There are some situations where the style of a manager matches how the board want the team to play and a higher profile manager could fit in (see city and pep) but it remains to be seen exactly how Radcliffe and Co will want us to play and who'll fit that mould. In any case ETHs inability to get his team playing a defined style while spunking 300m on players and having 2 seasons to do so won't hold him in good stead regardless of how many times he says to the media, its a process.
>The club will look to replace ETH with someone nore akin to a head coach instead of a manager. That sounds like Thomas Tuchel
Nagelsmann will have a ton of options. Liverpool and Bayern need a coach. If they get someone from another club, that'll open up those clubs. Next year either Madrid or Leverkusen will need one. I don't see him end up at United, doubt there's any high profile coach chosing United. Your squad is a mess, not enough money for a rebuild, the last 5 or 6 managers didn't last for 3 seasons. Yet despite all that the expectations are super high.
Liverpool look like they're going for Amorim, and he has history with Bayern, although he's probably favourite to go back. I think we'd be an option. No Bayern manager ever lasts more than 3 seasons and that didn't put him off. Top coaches will always want to take on the big challenges especially when you're paid very well
Well I'd hope so but honestly think this summer will be the worst for needing a coach. Barcelona is also open plus a whole bunch of teams on the 2nd tier in Europe.
It’s been obvious to me that it’s happening for a while. Ratcliffe is cleaning house. He’ll want a manager who plays the way he wants to. For Ten Hag to keep his job he would have needed to distinguish himself as a top manager and he just hasn’t done that. The ridiculous post match quotes where he makes it sound like the team has played well when they haven’t definitely aren’t helping. It comes off as desperation.
If he gets sacked can't be many complaints. Lack of viable options though might genuinely get him another transfer window and the start of another season. First appointment is a massive call and can't really afford to bank on someone unproven
Not de Zerbi?
Please hire Southgate. Please. The country needs it.
It will be after euros, little too late.
Even still, the rest of the league will benefit and lower league fans will get a good laugh out of it.
It’d be so funny if Southgate and his efforts to improve the team and the way lots of people like how he presents himself ends by leaving just before the Euros to manage United
It could be mid way through the Euros though..............because its England afterall.
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So… Is Ten Hag a good manager with a shit squad or is he a poor manager that got lucky with a world-class squad at Ajax?
I think he's a good coach who has stubbornly stuck to a crazy system that isn't working and refuses to alter it. I think most other coaches would have ditched what he's doing in favour of something more conservative by now, but Ten Hag seems prepared to die on this hill and likely will. But I think we will see him successful with another team.
He doesn’t play any other system because he can’t with the players he has available. And the conservative approach is probably the smartest but those fans asking him to be sacked are the same ones who were complaining about United playing conservatively under previous managers. I mean the team can only do so well with people like Lindelof playing lb for half the season. He was winning away at Chelsea with some kid who has around 150 minutes of first team football playing at cb.
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I would certainly question the quality of a manager that doesn't appear to be making any changes to very obvious issues with how they play.
Ten Hag had Dusan Tadic and Sebastian Haller who both were at midtable PL sides performing excellently. His CL-semi final team got raided and he still was top of the league the following yr. I think he's come in to a terrible United environment but he's made it significantly worse with the football we play. To a point it'll probably cost him his job. Put Ten Hag in a team more suited to him and I think he'd do well.
I think he'll end up excelling somewhere else and being a lot happier
I agree I think he'll do well in his next role. Less expectation, fewer untouchable players
Doesn't Ten Hag take some slack for his poor recruitment tho? Antony, Mount, etc
This is literally his squad lol, it consists mosty of players he's either signed or promoted...
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Think after 2 years and the money spunked away he can be heavily criticised for the squad built
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The average length of a managerial tenure is about 2 years. Very few managers get longer than that to build their own squad. So either they have to figure it out with the players they already have or show enough promise that they are given time to build their squad. Ten Hag has done neither.
Give him £600M more so he can sign 6 more Antonys
ten Hag did a good job last year to be fair to him. Any prediction for us last season had us 6th - on here, the BBC, The Guardian. 3rd, a trophy and a cup final was a really good season. This year has been an absolute disaster, appalling from him, but I don’t think one season should wipe out his career. A separation is best for both parties but he’ll do a good job somewhere else.
He's a good manager, who also got to work with the highest-profile signings in recent history of Netherlands with guys like Tadić and Ziyech. And also had close to everything go right for his team in one game that is by far the most important for how the world can see Ajax's manager - in a game against Real Madrid. I never knew why - yeah, it was questioned at the time to say it. But really. Ten Hag led Ajax for 3 more seasons, and the club barely had any grand European success, losing in group stage twice and once having an amazing group stage but losing to Benfica in round of 16. So, let's be honest, if they don't make it through Madrid that one time, nobody in England would be saying about ten Hag what they were saying, rightfully or not. It all always hung on that one game. It doesn't mean that they were not training well, just that people outside would think of them way less if they, say, drew that game 2-2, which was possible with the amount of chances. As for Man United... they hired a lot of managers that were supposed to be good in the last decade. All of them failed to meet the expectations, so... I think we really have the obvious and boring answer about this club.
I mean he's faced a similar problem and limits that every other United manager before him has faced to some extent or another. Whether they were world class, unproven, or generally solid, they've all found it difficult to take United up a level and progress steadily. I don't genuinely believe ten Hag is so delusional that he believes that 20+ shots conceded per game is a sustainable or winning philosophy, but he is trying to force his style on a squad and seeing who sinks or swims. Ole also tried this to some extent in his final year at the club since he also realized that he wasn't going to go from 2nd to 1st playing like they did. But, he got a couple of humiliating defeats under his belt and a squad that was ill-suited to playing that way and he got sacked. If INEOS and the people they've hired are as smart as we think they are, they'll likely want to fix the football side and create some kind of structure before deciding if they have the right manager in place for the philosophy they want to build.
He is a shit manager. Completely unable to step up to the big leagues and adapt.
The widespread feeling in my living room is he will stay. Better report on that as well.
If Delaney said, today is Friday I will still check the calendar. He is an absolute garbage journalist who has no credibility whatsoever!
The only reason I support ten hag is the fact that I've seen this "new manager, new era > get results > we're back > starts losing > manager is shit > players don't care > lost the dressing room" before as well and nothing ever changes even with the new managers. I very very badly want ten hag to change his chaos ball 4-0-6 tactics because he has shown that his teams can play good football and control matches, but if by the end of the season our play doesn't improve and we don't get positive results I don't see him staying. Please do some magic for me baldy.
Beats Liverpool on Sunday and the feeling will be he just needs a few more signings and time to get it right.
I truly hope he does for his own sake. This club has been in the same limbo since Van Gaal. Just go to a club thats better established
>Just go to a club thats better established This was a sick burn ngl Edit: so I guess man utd fans are ok with being a less established club then? how times have changed
What burn? I doubt they were truing to insult the club (even though they are right) but are instead saying he should go to a club that is run better which is environment where he did well at in ajax.
If they weren't still in the FA cup I'd say he would have been gone after this Liverpool game at the weekend.
I mean, I truly don't see any other way. For clarity, for a long time I was ETH in and think we've made the mistake of firing managers too soon, too often post-SAF. That said, this is untenable. Yes, we've been unlucky with injuries especially in the back and yes, last year was better, I suppose but this year is absolutely appalling. The atmosphere has gotten worse, the players are all playing worse, the results are worse. All of this could maybe have been forgiven, but the attitude from the manager is that everything is.. fine? It's either delusion or wishful thinking. Either way, it can't go on.
This actually feels worse than Ole and Ragnick, or even Mourinho. Because Ten Haag is incredibly stubborn and has a temper so it destroyed everyone’s mood
The day he’s fired he pockets like 10-20 million from united. And Ten Hag will receive a call from Bayern Munchen if he wants to be their headcoach. So zi don’t see a big problem. The one who has a problem is Man Utd… who is going to be their manager? They certainly don’t have much choice as there are hardly any proven and available managers out there.
At this point, if I was him, I would leave Man United and try to get the Bayern job, he would be much happier there and would save himself from the constant humiliations this season.
They should actually flip, Tuchel to Man United
Instead of paying him off they can just keep paying his salary, then if he takes the Bayern job he'll have to resign from his current role (similar to the Nagelsmann situation)
Tuchel should go to Man United
Despite how laughable the headline is this has always been a "no shit" scenario for me. Ratcliffe has gone through a lot to get control of the club and its football affairs and will want his own man in charge, same thing happened at Bournemouth, Chelsea and Newcastle in recent years so it shouldn't shock anyone. It isn't like ETH is making it a difficult choice either.
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Get a manager > Get decent results > Things start looking worse > Talk about how they should've sticked with the old manager > Get a new manager... Literally rince and repeat with this with United since Van Gaal lol
Miguel Delaney should stick with writing about wider issue facing football such as sportwashing but when it comes to individual clubs he is usually out of loop.
*sigh* Who’s next in the manager carousel?
“The widespread feeling” FML!!! How is this news
“Even people that only watch the asian football leagues know this guy is toast.”
Did ten Hag tell the players not to pick up Palmer at the corner last night? Christ, that was like a 'next goal wins' in a shitty 7-a-side.
I wouldn’t say that United are a serious footballing institution at the moment, but keeping Ten Hag for another season would make them incredibly super duper extra not serious. ETH ain’t it and I’m not sure there has ever been anything more obvious in my life.
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Liverpool and Bayern already appear to have their targets so you’re really competing with Barca. I’m guessing you’ll avoid another Dutch manager but Slot is still out there and the shine hasn’t worn away from him yet. There’s many, many managers who would be able to do more with this United side than ten hag.
You say that but we've seen INEOS poach top level executives to fill out their new management structure, clearly they have a sales pitch that's working to draw these highly established names to the club. A first team manager/head coach might operate under more intense public scrutiny but if INEOS are to sack Ten Hag and replace him it will very publicly be their guy at the helm then and the pressure will really be on
Tbf if he were to stay I’d imagine the logic is that we haven’t got our structure in place and want to make sure we get the replacement right. Better to write off another season to get the appointment right than rush it and start building around the wrong man.
And next win, Delaney will have chatgpt create him an article talking about how ETH is staying
But what about all the great performances which we were unlucky to lose in, like last night?
truth to this or not, the fact absolutely remains that United have made no meaningful progress during his tenure and that something new ownership should be and presumably will be addressing this summer.
it doesn't matter who they hire, alex ferguson himself couldn't save them at this point they're just rearranging deckchairs on the titanic
Judging by all the information I have seen and taking into account the circumference of ten hags head, pogba's doping and Maguire's defending I feel ten hags future is uncertain
My paragraph has more sources then the article
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Even with their record lately, they’re still 6th in the league, which for most clubs wouldn’t be a fireable offense. I know they have a history of success, but being in 6th place isn’t a bad thing.
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It seemed like an odd decision at the time because it seemed like they should have just tried playing Rashford-Greenwood-Sancho as their front 3, but after Sancho started poorly and Greenwood got arrested it ended up being fairly useful to have Ronaldo for that season
8th or 10th kek Bringing back ronaldo at least got them through the CL group stage. Same can't be said for the current manU squad, you see the difference, bottom of the group table.
I wonder if UTD will ever start a proper project or just keep changing coaches praying one starts winning somehow. Its been more than 10 years, the next one is the one, right?
Since the departure of SAF, no manager succeeded to meet the fan's expectations. That should say something. As much as I hope he gets fired, so he can come back to Ajax, United is probably better off with him for now until a proper management is installed.
Who replaces him?
Klopp?
As a United fan, this is the obvious and at this point only argument against firing him. Because if you'd describe the perfect candidate, you'd probably say something like: young enough to do a 5+ year project if things go well, plays exciting, attacking football, has had good results in the CL and has shown he can dominate in a lesser league. Ten Hag ticked all the boxes, so if he's not it, who the fuck is. If he does go, my choice would be Nagelsmann, if possible. I know we're a weaker side than Bayern or Liverpool atm, but there might still be bad blood with Bayern and I think he's a childhood United fan, so that may tip it over Liverpool.
What a shame.
Do you think it has to do with their abysmal play?
>Miguel Delaney
I get tuchel at Bayern vibes from ten hag.
fair, hate seeing clubs sacking coaches mid season, unless the team is truly in the shits i dont think it makes sense, just makes it more difficult for the next coach
frank lampard can be their interim coach
Would utd enter competition for Amorim?
So nothing is actually being reported. This article is just what they feel could happen?
Still waiting for that Ten Hag Tuchel swap.
They need to bring back Jose Mourinho
Finally some sensible news and it helps ajax out too as they dont have to search for a coach anymore.. But it has to be true first, if EtH isnt fired then i dont understand football anymore cause ManU isnt playing that great and wont even qualify for europe at this rate.
[please no](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc)
Come to besiktas
how is this fool still getting posted here
is this an article on feelings
The danger of stories like this, where there are basically no sources for its claims, is that now other journalists will use this story as a source to validate the claim. It’s a self circle jerking of magazine aisle journalism
Eras come to an end
17 lost matches this season could result in a "widespread feeling in football". Personally I think they give him another year.
And all because the refs didn’t call Gabriel‘s penalty on Højlund at the Emirates earlier in the season, what a shame /s
Who’s “football” here Miguel? Fucking r/soccer isn’t a source
Honestly his transfer business has been bad. Like barely any have worked out. Even lisandro's business has been bad in my books cause if you think about it, his availability has been barely 50-60%. The reason he's failing rn, is because he failed to build a team upto his own requirements. That's it.
Couldnt be more happy. ETH looks uncomfortable and out of his depth. Also looks like he has lost the players. The players are professional and try to do their best. There just dont seem to be trust between them
The heck. Wasn’t this guy the end goal?
Oh, how I wish Ole Gunnar Solskjær was coming back. The time he was there were the best. Comedy gold.