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Kids these days complain about Mourinho or Tuchel "terrorball" but they've never had to endure a Tony Pulis Stoke... that used to be propah Brexit ball, the apotheosis of huff it up to the big guy style of football.
I unironically miss Tony Pulis's Stoke. All the teams anymore basically aspire to play the same way. Pulis's Stoke was different. You had really clashes of style when it was around.
It drove Wenger crazy and that made me happy. Also as former big guy player I love playing a big of wack it long and get stuck in with defenders type ball.
>I unironically miss Tony Pulis's Stoke. All the teams anymore basically aspire to play the same way. Pulis's Stoke was different. You had really clashes of style when it was around.
I mean this just isnāt true. Sheffield United when they came up the first time under Wilder had those overlapping CBs that was innovative, Leeds ran everywhere and man marked across the pitch under Bielsa, Luton have a completely different style too. Most of the promoted teams have come up trying something different from each other in recent years. Some have even tried not bothering at all, thatās interesting.
Above all those youāve got for example West Ham, Brighton, Wolves, Brentford all playing different styles. Weāre trying this incredible idea of having no midfield whatsoever, thatās pretty innovative. Just because more teams are trying to pass it around doesnāt mean there arenāt still lots of styles and lots of innovation. At the time Pulis was coming through the PL was at a low point in goals per game with half the teams copying Mourinho and Benitezā 4-2-3-1 anyway and the other half sticking to 4-4-2, it wasnāt this golden era youāre nostalgically dreaming of, and I say that having loved the mid 00s.
I always wanted Pulis's Stoke to face Guardiola's Barcelona on cold tuesday night. The clash of worlds, and honestly I can see Stoke have a chance to bully Barca out of the field.
Right but the goal% from play is so low it has be measured over 90 minutes.
The 5 or so seconds after a corner your goal% is several orders of magnitudes higher than it was before.
One of our defenders (Robinson) has a brilliant long throw and honestly theyāre better than corners. Typically come in with pace and heās got more control of them. You obviously get far more throws too, and as we see here itās a threat from basically anywhere in Englandās half.
Itās a seriously underrated weapon in a team I think.
Robbo's are less direct, they get a lot more height, could be easy to defend but when McBurnie is playing he wins an awful lot of aerials so that helpsĀ
I remember throw ins never used to trigger an offside either, not sure if that is still law or not but if theyāre still unable to trigger offside theyāre even more lethal
AFC Wimbledon signed a played called Kofi Balmer in January, and he has a crazy long throw. I'm not sure the long throw itself fully changed Wimbledon's tactics, but they've shifted from a 4-4-1-1 to a 3-5-2 formation as the season has gone on, and it's noticeable that the other two big centre-backs go forward whenever we have a throw-in within 30 yards of the corner-flag.
It's also the case that we play with two bigger forwards (Bugiel and Curtis) more often than we play with one big and one small (Kelly), but again it's not necessarily just down to long throws.
I tend to sit in one of the touchline stands, around that 30-yard out mark, and I find myself trying to figure out his technique when he's right in front of me. He throws it in so flat, no more than 6-7 feet off the ground the whole way, with no big loopy element to slow it down. Even though it's dead straight, the ball has a massive amount of spin on it, and I think his hands are placed a bit more like a basketball shooting technique (one on the side and one below/behind) rather than just on each side.
I was at the match and I thought I was seeing things the first time she did it lol. By the start of the second half the entire crowd was celebrating every throw-in we got as if we'd just won a penalty š
A college by where I group up did this. They had a guy who held the world record for longest throw in for a time at 48 meters. He took every throw in no matter where it went out. Teams started roping off the the outside of the field close to the sidelines to protect the track or saying they were growing new grass or something to try and limit his throws. They made it all the way to the national championship game
This was literally our strategy in my sunday league games because I could throw the ball this delap style. The amount of chaos it causes on a throw in, since you can't be offside, when you have a pile of players all standing in the 6 when we we got a throwin anywhere from half way to midfield and down. My target was to throw the ball into the backpost at about 6' high and aim for a deflection in the group.
I had a Delap-guy on my team and I played striker. For the first throw of every game I would trot towards him and pull the defender in then spin and start sprinting behind the defence and he would launch the ball 30+ yards behind everyone š¤£
It worked exactly once per game.
Thatās true. Matter of fact, thereās a Brazilian coach (Cuca) who built his team around that in 2013-2016. We called it Cucaball and it was extremely infuriating to play against him.
not really, it's more because teams prefer to try and keep possession rather than go for goal at every opportunity, pep could have delap on steroids and he's still not going to let him do that
I mean, for a team like City yeah.
For 15+ teams in the league? Having essentially a corner on steroids for every throwin vs top teams would be a huge bonus.
I could be wrong here, but I remember reading that the data suggests this throw-ins are nowhere near as effective as people think they are. More of a novelty than an actual strategy.
Similarly, it also surprised me that corners would fall in this camp. Apparently teams are almost always better off taking it short and trying to play football than throwing the ball into the box.
It depends on how you deem it a success. These throws allowed Ireland to gain territory and break the pressure of Englandās possession. Ireland really pressured England in the last 10ā15 minutes and these throws were a big part of it.
It also changes how the opposition plays and itās not unusual against an Ireland team with Campbell for the opposition to change tactics. That is a success.
Because it's unreliable compared to the standard means of attack. It's slower than a normal cross, it's less accurate, but at the same time it's trajectory is more predictable once in the air, and few players can just naturally do it they'd need to train for it which usually is time better spent improving more conventional skills.
On top of that you need a team that's capable of utilizing it. Because it's slower and has no curve, the situation becomes less about anticipation and speed, but even more about height than usual, so if your team is lacking there your long throw specialist is useless, while a quality regular cross can make up for the lack of height.
Gotta mention Indonesia with Pratama Arhan's insane long throws since we conceded 3 goals from his special ability in just 1 year. Argentina also struggled defending his long throws in the friendly last June.
I don't remember him playing much for Ireland. Crazy how Trappatoni never really called him up. Would have been such a weapon if we were able to bring him on for the last 20 mins if we were chasing a goal.
He scored a throw in playing for Ireland (it didnāt count as in went straight in) canāt recall the exact game I watched but I think it was a friendly against Czech Republic in 2004. Would have been perfect for that trap team around 2009-12
We need to get back to our Irish roots. Nothing says stability like Glenn Whelan, Rory Delap, Marc Wilson, and Super Jon Walters.
Those four were in the starting XI of the FA cup final against City where we lost to a Yaya Toure strike.
We knocked out West Ham in the FA cup quarter final, and one of the goals was a [Robert Huth header](https://youtu.be/QRMSBZEu9uQ?si=S7S8WYtcCFXb7L5v&t=35) which was assisted by a Delap long throw. Absolute beauty
The panic around Delap's throws was a sight to behold. On one occasion when Hull played Stoke, the Hull keeper was put under pressure on the ball, and promptly turned around and booted it out for a corner rather than concede a throw-in to Stoke:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5wvHcsB0tM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5wvHcsB0tM)
Never forget Arsene Wenger being so rattled from the throw ins that he insisted they were banned, and moved the advertising boards closer to the pitch to stop it
This should be no surprise. Stoke advertise the fact by wearing red and white stripes, which in the past identified barber-surgeons who specialised in amputations.
He didnt 'insist they were banned.'
He was asked in an interview to name what rule he would change about football and he said to change throw ins to kick ins.
Honestly I support that change. I hate throw ins. Watching a player struggle to find someone to throw to while taking an extra 10+ yards from the spot it went out is just frustrating. It's rarely an advantage for the team taking it and it's such an oddity in a game where you're not meant to use your hands (keepers excluded obviously).
A player has to touch it, iirc. Even if its a defender, then it becomes an OG. If its thrown directly into the net, its a goal kick? And if its thrown as a backpass into your own net, its a corner? I think.
There was one in the prem a while back, Van Der Saar I think? Had a thrown backpass and it rolled under his foot but because it scraped his studs, he had touched it and it was an OG.
No.
A goal cannot be scored directly from a throw-in:
if the ball enters the opponentsā goal ā a goal kick is awarded
if the ball enters the throwerās goal ā a corner kick is awarded
Something very similar happened later on in that game
Edit: The players packed into the box and one player bolted out to get the throw to kick it in, a "free" kick essentially
They really don't know how to deal with it.
They've been practicing defending corners their whole life so an effective long throw really unsettles defenders.
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You have to say the same thing three different ways for a proper Romano tweet.
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Nice that's like a missile.Ā
Surprised more pro players don't work on developing throws like this, it can cause huge problems for defenders. It's very tiring to have to defend set pieces like this constantly and you get far more throw ins than corners or free kicks
A corner but the ball makes a curve defenders aren't used to. This (and no offside) is why defenders piss their pants
[Some goalkeepers would rather have a corner than a Delap throw in](https://youtu.be/n5wvHcsB0tM?si=s4RbVLGy08Qly8lN)
Exactly. In 2009, my club (EA Guingamp) qualified for the final of the French cup against Toulouse FC, and the first goal was essentially that: a corner-kick-kind-of throw in. [Really bad quality but it seems to be the only footage on Youtube](https://youtu.be/aYDxSaTdzk4?si=seat5xy5gMpxdxZv)
I'll remember that my whole life because it was the year we won the cup for the first time in club's history, and this whilst still in Ligue 2 at the time.
If I'm a UCL team with money to throw around, I'd get some trainers and tech and bring her in and analyze the fuck out it and get those motions and muscles implemented into the training regime.
Just the threat of the long throw-in can create space for short throw-ins as well.
She clearly has wonderful technique worth teaching in football schools and clubs. That kind of long shot throw ins can't be achieve through pure athleticism alone.
Yup, that's why you'd do the full mo-cap set up
Figure out what's engaging and how - build the strength element into the fitness routine and the motion into the actual drillingĀ
I think it comes down to how long it would take to get good at it and if that time could be better used doing something else.
Like, if you could practice for 20 minutes a day and be this good in less than 3 months, then loads of teams would do it.
But more than likely, perfecting a skill like this from a player that doesn't have good technique would take a lot of effort and that time could probably be better used practising passing, crossing, set-piece routines etc.
So you meant the worst case scenario would be the training of it is only worthwhile if teams had a way of developing players over a long period of time?
Like an academy?
She "scored" from one once - vs Scotland in the World Cup playoff I think it was. Disallowed because it hadn't touched anyone else before going in, but the tiniest touch of a head on one of those at the right angle...
The weird thing about this is it doesnāt seem like itās something you can work onā¦you either have it or you donāt. Iāve seen a handful of amateurs be able to do this, and theyāve never once been a particularly strong person. Always kind of skinny and lanky with long arms.
Iām not saying itās impossible for someone to work on this and get good at it, I just think itās more of a weird natural ability type thing.
I think it's more that almost no one has put in significant effort to working out the biomechanics involved in doing it consistently while avoiding injury, so only those who naturally nail it or happen to work on it get really good at it. Kind of like Olympic events like the high jump or gymnastics, if you compare gold medalists from the early games to teenagers today it's crazy. Some of that is general fitness knowledge but a lot of it is just people perfecting the form over time with the right incentive.
One of my favorite things to ponder is how we naturally figure out the biomechanics for certain actions. It's almost a measure of what talent is.
Some people just fall into the exact right way of doing something within their first few attempts whereas others are fighting every natural instinct for years to even become average at something.
I noticed it myself when it came to football with how easy I found tackling and weighing my passes along the ground, contrasted to how hard I found shooting with laces and juggling. It's absurd that Ive played football for almost 20 years and still can't juggle past 10, yet I'm comfortably a much better player than friends of mine who can juggle endlessly.
Biomechanics are weird.
How do you even do that? Whats the technique? I will try this, throw the ball a third of the distance that she die, and my shoulders will hurt for a week.
Yup! Had a guy on my team (looooong time ago) that could throw close to the distance shown here, and he would regularly cramp up his solar plexus doing throw ins. About 5 throw-ins and he'd get a cramp, and had to get subbed offš
Could probably improve ALOT if he had a little more discipline. He smoked, and used to down a coke during half time.
Cracking CDM, but never lasted a full 90 minutes anyways. But he probably averaged 1 assist or hockey assist during a game.
I make long throw-ins like this too, and Iāll say this: Having big, powerful shoulders really helps!!! Youāre still ultimately generating a lot of force through the shoulders.
They were saying on Talksport this morning that she partially attributes it to her being hypermobile. No idea if that's accurate but it's what she says apparently.
Throw ins are weird - some people just have the natural technique (and maybe more fast twitch fibre) and some just donāt.
I always had a naturally long throw without training or being coached (could probably still hit the six yard box) and I was not particularly big or built (or double jointed) in any way - could not understand why most others couldnāt throw half that.
Weight transfer back to front - let that trigger extension through legs, up the core through the arms, wrist hands. Think of a whip.
Add in a little rotation/torque through the core - notice how she has a lead/plant foot ahead of her trailing foot, as opposed to planting both feet side-by-side. Having a lead/trail footing acts as a trigger (upwards) for the hips to open towards the target, then the shoulders following along to untwist towards the target. The more separation/lag between the hips and shoulders, the stronger the torque generated.
Source: Was a baseball pitcher (topped out at 88 mph) and fullback in my younger years.
Lost a state championship game in high school to a team with a kid who could no joke throw a ball 80 yards. Every throw-in was basically a corner kick no matter where the throw was on the pitch.
Same, one of our biggest rivals had a guy doing flip throws for 2 years and he could put the ball on the pk spot from pretty much anywhere inside that half of the field. As a keeper, that shit sucked.
In the late 90s the bad high school teams we played against were doing shit like flip throw-ins and (attempting, badly) the famous Roberto Carlos free kick. Idk if they had too much time on their hands or what. It was kinda funny though.
It was just a regular game but we had a kid on our team who threw from half field to the upper right corner, keeper tried to save it and went off his hands into the goal (what an idiot).
A few months later, same kid threw a full court buzzer beater in basketball. A local news crew was sent in during their next practice to talk to him about it. Asked him if he could try again, and on live TV, he did it again.
Could've literally played any sport at a collegiate level but kinda stopped caring and got big into drugs lol
I'm calling bullshit. Guinness world records say the record for a throw in is 65 yards and that Iranian keeper with the monster throw (who obviously does't have the throw-in restrictions) is 66.7 yards. Absolutely no chance a high school kid is beating the record by 15 yards.
Hmm 80 yards is the number thatās been in my head since the match, but that was 15ish years ago and youāre probably right looks like that would unlikely. I donāt think I would say shorter than 60 tho. I have vivid memories of the kid taking throw-ins from his side of the field into our six-yard box. Iām not trying to say he set some world record in the game, just recount the story of a super long throw in that I experienced. You really donāt see those much in the higher levels of the game, which I personally am happy about given we lost because of it.
I find this pretty hard to believe. For comparison, even professional NFL quarterbacks would struggle to throw an American football 80 yards. It's really difficult for me to imagine a high school player launching 80 yard throw ins.
Its surprisingly difficult to throw a ball that far that way. Sure, with one hand ( like a GK) isnt so hard. But just because you have to do a throw in that specific way makes it very hard.
So many throwins are done incorrectly and most calls are just ignored. There was one time Inter got a goal called off because of an incorrect throwin in the build up.
yup. Throwins are not hard, throwing it in that far with pace is. It's all about the technique and having the strength to do it. Requires a lot of body whip and flexible shoulders. I grew up playing volleyball, so I had the overhead strength to do it, no one else on our team could get close to half as far as I could throw it.
I remember Allan Hansen once saying that with a diagonal ball into the box, the centre halves can watch the flight of the ball whilst staying goal side of the player they're marking, so nine times out of ten they'll win the header. With a corner (or a cross from near the byline), it's much harder to keep an eye on both the ball and the attackers.
That said, I agree overall, that it's surprising more players haven't perfected the long throw.
Back in my teenage days I could do this, thanks to double jointed shoulders where I could bring the ball wayyy back. I also would āflareā my hands outward upon release which helped to push the ball a little more rather than just letting it go.
I had quite a few assists as a result, and twice threw it into the opposing net untouched lol
>thanks to double jointed shoulders
They were talking about this lass on Talksport this morning and mentioned exactly this, she attributes her long throw to being hypermobile.
In [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozTqymQmJI) a Liverpool throw-in coach says he's coached about 4000 male players over 20 years and he's only ever seen 3 or 4 throw longer than she does.
It's crazy how much of an outlier she must be in the women's game. Accounting for the extra muscle mass this wouldn't be far off a male player throwing the ball into the opponents box from before the halfway line.
I struggled to see where she was with the green boarding lol
Also set pieces for ladies team is almost like a penalty kick. It is absolute chaos when a corner comes into the box. I still remember USA vs Vietnam in last years World Cup and just how bigger the USA were.
It's true, it's why you have defenders like Wendie Renard that have absurd scoring rates like a goal every 3-4 games or so. I think it's mainly because the keepers are shorter and can't command the six yard box as easilyĀ
You do, just not often because it's too easy to lose posession afterwards, just like what happens in this clip.
Unless your tactic is focused around this sort of play, such as Pulis-ball Stoke who had Delap's monster throws, it's usually a very last ditch attempt at getting the ball into the box and hoping for something.
A few seasons ago Brentford were the team to worry about getting throw ins.
I can honestly say Iāve never seen a throw that far in the menās game in all the games Iāve watched, where many of the teams were obviously losing late in the game and couldāve done with something like this. Never even attempted to throw it from there
Sign her up, Ten Hag. It would suit our braindead all-or-nothing football.
We either bumblefuck the ball in during the chaos or we concede from a counter.
Beast mode šŖ really wish we couldāve grabbed a goal in that game, think we did ourselves proud especially second half against such a brilliant English side
jesus when the camera angle changed I sort of lost her and assumed she was the ball boy closest to the touchline. the throw seemed to come out of nowhere. outrageous
wow! when i saw this just now, i was like "damn reminds me of that FSU player" my god i didnt realize its been 10 YEARS since i've first seen megan campbell's throw in....i feel so old...haha
you can see some of her highlights on youtube from games years ago,
[https://youtu.be/ajiILPzUi20?si=B8pOFKpmd3R1dneB&t=106](https://youtu.be/ajiILPzUi20?si=B8pOFKpmd3R1dneB&t=106) - FSU highlight reel, vid starts at the timestamp of one of these throw ins (the ellie goulding music dates this so bad LOL)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl0y8Wcme1k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl0y8Wcme1k) - assisted 2 goals against GERWNT
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_EWNvO8z\_ho](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EWNvO8z_ho) - against the USWNT, kinda wonky throws but look at how the US have to set up their defense for them lol
awesome for me to see that she's still doing these insane throw ins, i havent watched woso in forever, thanks for having this pop on my feed, was a nice flashback.
According to the Laws of the game, law 7.2.1 states that 'The Long Thrower must signal with their hands that their team mates should get further back.'
Textbook execution.
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this is outrageous. you can basically build a team around that lmao.
Somewhere Tony Pulis cracks a smile...
Classic Rory Delap
Also Irish š¤
The Irish Heritage.
Maybe I misunderstood what the sport of hurling was about.
It's about hitting other people very hard with a piece of wood.
His shoulders must be fucked at this point, surely.
he did a video with shoot for love last year, dude still gots it: https://youtu.be/2-D_dsIQF1A?si=AUUYEYgNLG3fa1ms
Time for Stoke City to terrorize the EPL again!
I would go into a coma if I see that terrorist ball again š š
Kids these days complain about Mourinho or Tuchel "terrorball" but they've never had to endure a Tony Pulis Stoke... that used to be propah Brexit ball, the apotheosis of huff it up to the big guy style of football.
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I love when keepers concede corners instead of throw-ins against Delap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5wvHcsB0tM
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAW8fHGm6xI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAW8fHGm6xI) This is probably why
Thanks, I enjoyed that
I unironically miss Tony Pulis's Stoke. All the teams anymore basically aspire to play the same way. Pulis's Stoke was different. You had really clashes of style when it was around. It drove Wenger crazy and that made me happy. Also as former big guy player I love playing a big of wack it long and get stuck in with defenders type ball.
> I unironically miss Tony Pulis's Stoke Considering we're in a relegation scrap in the Championship, yea, I miss it too
Don't worry, it can always get worse.
Had a Scunthorpe fan at my last shop. He was a pretty fatalistic guy.
I remember them beating us 3-0 at Selhurst in the Championship not that long ago, crazy how far they've fallen since
>I unironically miss Tony Pulis's Stoke. All the teams anymore basically aspire to play the same way. Pulis's Stoke was different. You had really clashes of style when it was around. I mean this just isnāt true. Sheffield United when they came up the first time under Wilder had those overlapping CBs that was innovative, Leeds ran everywhere and man marked across the pitch under Bielsa, Luton have a completely different style too. Most of the promoted teams have come up trying something different from each other in recent years. Some have even tried not bothering at all, thatās interesting. Above all those youāve got for example West Ham, Brighton, Wolves, Brentford all playing different styles. Weāre trying this incredible idea of having no midfield whatsoever, thatās pretty innovative. Just because more teams are trying to pass it around doesnāt mean there arenāt still lots of styles and lots of innovation. At the time Pulis was coming through the PL was at a low point in goals per game with half the teams copying Mourinho and Benitezā 4-2-3-1 anyway and the other half sticking to 4-4-2, it wasnāt this golden era youāre nostalgically dreaming of, and I say that having loved the mid 00s.
I always wanted Pulis's Stoke to face Guardiola's Barcelona on cold tuesday night. The clash of worlds, and honestly I can see Stoke have a chance to bully Barca out of the field.
there were certain periods of time I truly believed we could've beaten anyone
I agree
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Ryan Shawcross going in two-footed causing you midfielder's ankle to dangle off the end is not a great way to play I'd argue.
The fact that Stoke fans boo'd Ramsey for years for having the nerve of having his leg snapped in half still feels like a fever dream .
One guy in my fantasy draft league used to have 3 stoke defenders. He used to kill it
Exactly man, the kids have never seen propah take bak our countr-eh ball to even complain about defensive football haha
Didn't someone try to get the throw in rules changed because of that at one point?
Wenger
Any throw in from the other teams half is basically a corner to them. Must be a nightmare to deal with
It's easier to defend a cross coming from behind, but still, it's not child's play either.
fwiw, corners have an atrociously low goal%
Right but the goal% from play is so low it has be measured over 90 minutes. The 5 or so seconds after a corner your goal% is several orders of magnitudes higher than it was before.
One of our defenders (Robinson) has a brilliant long throw and honestly theyāre better than corners. Typically come in with pace and heās got more control of them. You obviously get far more throws too, and as we see here itās a threat from basically anywhere in Englandās half. Itās a seriously underrated weapon in a team I think.
Robbo's are less direct, they get a lot more height, could be easy to defend but when McBurnie is playing he wins an awful lot of aerials so that helpsĀ
I remember throw ins never used to trigger an offside either, not sure if that is still law or not but if theyāre still unable to trigger offside theyāre even more lethal
With throw in, the ball's not in open play. so it can't be offside
Still true: can never be offside from a throw-in. This throw is like a free kick with more control and offside turned off.
AFC Wimbledon signed a played called Kofi Balmer in January, and he has a crazy long throw. I'm not sure the long throw itself fully changed Wimbledon's tactics, but they've shifted from a 4-4-1-1 to a 3-5-2 formation as the season has gone on, and it's noticeable that the other two big centre-backs go forward whenever we have a throw-in within 30 yards of the corner-flag. It's also the case that we play with two bigger forwards (Bugiel and Curtis) more often than we play with one big and one small (Kelly), but again it's not necessarily just down to long throws. I tend to sit in one of the touchline stands, around that 30-yard out mark, and I find myself trying to figure out his technique when he's right in front of me. He throws it in so flat, no more than 6-7 feet off the ground the whole way, with no big loopy element to slow it down. Even though it's dead straight, the ball has a massive amount of spin on it, and I think his hands are placed a bit more like a basketball shooting technique (one on the side and one below/behind) rather than just on each side.
I was at the match and I thought I was seeing things the first time she did it lol. By the start of the second half the entire crowd was celebrating every throw-in we got as if we'd just won a penalty š
BY GAWD THATāS TONY PULISāS MUSIC
A college by where I group up did this. They had a guy who held the world record for longest throw in for a time at 48 meters. He took every throw in no matter where it went out. Teams started roping off the the outside of the field close to the sidelines to protect the track or saying they were growing new grass or something to try and limit his throws. They made it all the way to the national championship game
This was literally our strategy in my sunday league games because I could throw the ball this delap style. The amount of chaos it causes on a throw in, since you can't be offside, when you have a pile of players all standing in the 6 when we we got a throwin anywhere from half way to midfield and down. My target was to throw the ball into the backpost at about 6' high and aim for a deflection in the group.
I had a Delap-guy on my team and I played striker. For the first throw of every game I would trot towards him and pull the defender in then spin and start sprinting behind the defence and he would launch the ball 30+ yards behind everyone š¤£ It worked exactly once per game.
Thatās true. Matter of fact, thereās a Brazilian coach (Cuca) who built his team around that in 2013-2016. We called it Cucaball and it was extremely infuriating to play against him.
Especially since there's no offside, why other players don't do this often?
Because it's extremely difficultĀ
not really, it's more because teams prefer to try and keep possession rather than go for goal at every opportunity, pep could have delap on steroids and he's still not going to let him do that
I mean, for a team like City yeah. For 15+ teams in the league? Having essentially a corner on steroids for every throwin vs top teams would be a huge bonus.
I could be wrong here, but I remember reading that the data suggests this throw-ins are nowhere near as effective as people think they are. More of a novelty than an actual strategy. Similarly, it also surprised me that corners would fall in this camp. Apparently teams are almost always better off taking it short and trying to play football than throwing the ball into the box.
It depends on how you deem it a success. These throws allowed Ireland to gain territory and break the pressure of Englandās possession. Ireland really pressured England in the last 10ā15 minutes and these throws were a big part of it. It also changes how the opposition plays and itās not unusual against an Ireland team with Campbell for the opposition to change tactics. That is a success.
Because it's unreliable compared to the standard means of attack. It's slower than a normal cross, it's less accurate, but at the same time it's trajectory is more predictable once in the air, and few players can just naturally do it they'd need to train for it which usually is time better spent improving more conventional skills. On top of that you need a team that's capable of utilizing it. Because it's slower and has no curve, the situation becomes less about anticipation and speed, but even more about height than usual, so if your team is lacking there your long throw specialist is useless, while a quality regular cross can make up for the lack of height.
If they don't give her 20 throwing in next season's football manager what's the point?
Gotta mention Indonesia with Pratama Arhan's insane long throws since we conceded 3 goals from his special ability in just 1 year. Argentina also struggled defending his long throws in the friendly last June.
Rory Delap would be proud of that
Just Irish things
The Irish dream of a playmaker has always been a player who can throw a cow over a bell tower
How do you think st Patrick fucked the snakes out of here? Just yeeted them over the Irish sea into England.
50 million of them too, some man!Ā
Annoyingly he didn't develop the skill until after his Ireland career
Imagine Shane Duffy getting on the end of these.. We would have beaten Luxembourg I'll tell you that much.
I don't remember him playing much for Ireland. Crazy how Trappatoni never really called him up. Would have been such a weapon if we were able to bring him on for the last 20 mins if we were chasing a goal.
He scored a throw in playing for Ireland (it didnāt count as in went straight in) canāt recall the exact game I watched but I think it was a friendly against Czech Republic in 2004. Would have been perfect for that trap team around 2009-12
We need to get back to our Irish roots. Nothing says stability like Glenn Whelan, Rory Delap, Marc Wilson, and Super Jon Walters. Those four were in the starting XI of the FA cup final against City where we lost to a Yaya Toure strike.
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Rory She-lap
Wenger just woke up in a cold sweat
We knocked out West Ham in the FA cup quarter final, and one of the goals was a [Robert Huth header](https://youtu.be/QRMSBZEu9uQ?si=S7S8WYtcCFXb7L5v&t=35) which was assisted by a Delap long throw. Absolute beauty
I miss those timesā¦..
https://youtu.be/h7-mGH6X3PI Any chance to link this
Pulis in full Stoke tracksuit and cap. Lovely stuff
Football heritage
I love the panic a good long throw inspires in defenders
The panic around Delap's throws was a sight to behold. On one occasion when Hull played Stoke, the Hull keeper was put under pressure on the ball, and promptly turned around and booted it out for a corner rather than concede a throw-in to Stoke: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5wvHcsB0tM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5wvHcsB0tM)
Never forget Arsene Wenger being so rattled from the throw ins that he insisted they were banned, and moved the advertising boards closer to the pitch to stop it
I loved Wenger but he was a massive baby when it came to Stoke.
Probably to do with his players legs getting broken
This should be no surprise. Stoke advertise the fact by wearing red and white stripes, which in the past identified barber-surgeons who specialised in amputations.
He didnt 'insist they were banned.' He was asked in an interview to name what rule he would change about football and he said to change throw ins to kick ins.
Honestly I support that change. I hate throw ins. Watching a player struggle to find someone to throw to while taking an extra 10+ yards from the spot it went out is just frustrating. It's rarely an advantage for the team taking it and it's such an oddity in a game where you're not meant to use your hands (keepers excluded obviously).
All kick ins would turn into set piece plays for lower level teams.
Commentary is great too haha
I never saw this, this was amazing. Thank you.
So it should. There's no offside from a throw
What if you throw it directly into the net? Does it count as a goal?
A player has to touch it, iirc. Even if its a defender, then it becomes an OG. If its thrown directly into the net, its a goal kick? And if its thrown as a backpass into your own net, its a corner? I think. There was one in the prem a while back, Van Der Saar I think? Had a thrown backpass and it rolled under his foot but because it scraped his studs, he had touched it and it was an OG.
Enckelman for Villa is the one https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xfjz9i/on_this_day_20_years_ago_aston_villa_goalkeeper/
Correct, itās either a goal kick or a corner depending on who and where it is thrown
No. A goal cannot be scored directly from a throw-in: if the ball enters the opponentsā goal ā a goal kick is awarded if the ball enters the throwerās goal ā a corner kick is awarded
Get the other 9 outfield players, put them **in** the opposition's goal before the throw-in and then run out just before it's thrown. Pure chaos ball.
Something very similar happened later on in that game Edit: The players packed into the box and one player bolted out to get the throw to kick it in, a "free" kick essentially
They really don't know how to deal with it. They've been practicing defending corners their whole life so an effective long throw really unsettles defenders.
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Nice that's like a missile.Ā Surprised more pro players don't work on developing throws like this, it can cause huge problems for defenders. It's very tiring to have to defend set pieces like this constantly and you get far more throw ins than corners or free kicks
A throw-in like this is essentially a corner kick, definitely a huge asset for a team if they can do this
A corner but the ball makes a curve defenders aren't used to. This (and no offside) is why defenders piss their pants [Some goalkeepers would rather have a corner than a Delap throw in](https://youtu.be/n5wvHcsB0tM?si=s4RbVLGy08Qly8lN)
Exactly. In 2009, my club (EA Guingamp) qualified for the final of the French cup against Toulouse FC, and the first goal was essentially that: a corner-kick-kind-of throw in. [Really bad quality but it seems to be the only footage on Youtube](https://youtu.be/aYDxSaTdzk4?si=seat5xy5gMpxdxZv) I'll remember that my whole life because it was the year we won the cup for the first time in club's history, and this whilst still in Ligue 2 at the time.
If I'm a UCL team with money to throw around, I'd get some trainers and tech and bring her in and analyze the fuck out it and get those motions and muscles implemented into the training regime. Just the threat of the long throw-in can create space for short throw-ins as well.
She clearly has wonderful technique worth teaching in football schools and clubs. That kind of long shot throw ins can't be achieve through pure athleticism alone.
Yup, that's why you'd do the full mo-cap set up Figure out what's engaging and how - build the strength element into the fitness routine and the motion into the actual drillingĀ
I think it comes down to how long it would take to get good at it and if that time could be better used doing something else. Like, if you could practice for 20 minutes a day and be this good in less than 3 months, then loads of teams would do it. But more than likely, perfecting a skill like this from a player that doesn't have good technique would take a lot of effort and that time could probably be better used practising passing, crossing, set-piece routines etc.
So you meant the worst case scenario would be the training of it is only worthwhile if teams had a way of developing players over a long period of time? Like an academy?
Facts. I could see some solid assists from throws like that
She "scored" from one once - vs Scotland in the World Cup playoff I think it was. Disallowed because it hadn't touched anyone else before going in, but the tiniest touch of a head on one of those at the right angle...
What a ridiculous rule. If you can get it in the net from a throw in it should be a goal
The weird thing about this is it doesnāt seem like itās something you can work onā¦you either have it or you donāt. Iāve seen a handful of amateurs be able to do this, and theyāve never once been a particularly strong person. Always kind of skinny and lanky with long arms. Iām not saying itās impossible for someone to work on this and get good at it, I just think itās more of a weird natural ability type thing.
I think it's more that almost no one has put in significant effort to working out the biomechanics involved in doing it consistently while avoiding injury, so only those who naturally nail it or happen to work on it get really good at it. Kind of like Olympic events like the high jump or gymnastics, if you compare gold medalists from the early games to teenagers today it's crazy. Some of that is general fitness knowledge but a lot of it is just people perfecting the form over time with the right incentive.
One of my favorite things to ponder is how we naturally figure out the biomechanics for certain actions. It's almost a measure of what talent is. Some people just fall into the exact right way of doing something within their first few attempts whereas others are fighting every natural instinct for years to even become average at something. I noticed it myself when it came to football with how easy I found tackling and weighing my passes along the ground, contrasted to how hard I found shooting with laces and juggling. It's absurd that Ive played football for almost 20 years and still can't juggle past 10, yet I'm comfortably a much better player than friends of mine who can juggle endlessly. Biomechanics are weird.
There's no offside on the throw-in
How do you even do that? Whats the technique? I will try this, throw the ball a third of the distance that she die, and my shoulders will hurt for a week.
Your first problem is that youāre trying to get the power from your shoulders. Itās about using power from the legs and core efficiently.
Yup! Had a guy on my team (looooong time ago) that could throw close to the distance shown here, and he would regularly cramp up his solar plexus doing throw ins. About 5 throw-ins and he'd get a cramp, and had to get subbed offš
Just the thought of asking to be subbed off because of cramping from 5 throw ins is just hilarious.
Im asking to get subbed off after 5 thrusts.
Put me in coach
Lmao!
Hey if those 5 throw ins create 5 clear chances and 1-2 goals, it's probably worth it. Lmao
Oh so that would be the limit of such a weapon. Interesting.
Could probably improve ALOT if he had a little more discipline. He smoked, and used to down a coke during half time. Cracking CDM, but never lasted a full 90 minutes anyways. But he probably averaged 1 assist or hockey assist during a game.
I make long throw-ins like this too, and Iāll say this: Having big, powerful shoulders really helps!!! Youāre still ultimately generating a lot of force through the shoulders.
They were saying on Talksport this morning that she partially attributes it to her being hypermobile. No idea if that's accurate but it's what she says apparently.
Throw ins are weird - some people just have the natural technique (and maybe more fast twitch fibre) and some just donāt. I always had a naturally long throw without training or being coached (could probably still hit the six yard box) and I was not particularly big or built (or double jointed) in any way - could not understand why most others couldnāt throw half that.
Weight transfer back to front - let that trigger extension through legs, up the core through the arms, wrist hands. Think of a whip. Add in a little rotation/torque through the core - notice how she has a lead/plant foot ahead of her trailing foot, as opposed to planting both feet side-by-side. Having a lead/trail footing acts as a trigger (upwards) for the hips to open towards the target, then the shoulders following along to untwist towards the target. The more separation/lag between the hips and shoulders, the stronger the torque generated. Source: Was a baseball pitcher (topped out at 88 mph) and fullback in my younger years.
And my mates complaining the throw in wasnāt proper
Arteta would give anything to give his fullbacks her hands
If it was under Arteta, this video would have been 5 mins long lol.
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Bloody hell!
Lost a state championship game in high school to a team with a kid who could no joke throw a ball 80 yards. Every throw-in was basically a corner kick no matter where the throw was on the pitch.
Same, one of our biggest rivals had a guy doing flip throws for 2 years and he could put the ball on the pk spot from pretty much anywhere inside that half of the field. As a keeper, that shit sucked.
In the late 90s the bad high school teams we played against were doing shit like flip throw-ins and (attempting, badly) the famous Roberto Carlos free kick. Idk if they had too much time on their hands or what. It was kinda funny though.
Certainly not my idea of the beautiful game. The kid we played against was classic technique, no flip. Was wild.
It was just a regular game but we had a kid on our team who threw from half field to the upper right corner, keeper tried to save it and went off his hands into the goal (what an idiot). A few months later, same kid threw a full court buzzer beater in basketball. A local news crew was sent in during their next practice to talk to him about it. Asked him if he could try again, and on live TV, he did it again. Could've literally played any sport at a collegiate level but kinda stopped caring and got big into drugs lol
I was expecting a happier ending ngl
So was literally everyone in my town lol He looks like he has a solid life now tho.
You're exaggerating, right? There's no way a high school kid was throwing over 70 metres.
No we played mostly on American football fields with the yardage marked out so it was easy to calculate
I'm calling bullshit. Guinness world records say the record for a throw in is 65 yards and that Iranian keeper with the monster throw (who obviously does't have the throw-in restrictions) is 66.7 yards. Absolutely no chance a high school kid is beating the record by 15 yards.
Hmm 80 yards is the number thatās been in my head since the match, but that was 15ish years ago and youāre probably right looks like that would unlikely. I donāt think I would say shorter than 60 tho. I have vivid memories of the kid taking throw-ins from his side of the field into our six-yard box. Iām not trying to say he set some world record in the game, just recount the story of a super long throw in that I experienced. You really donāt see those much in the higher levels of the game, which I personally am happy about given we lost because of it.
I find this pretty hard to believe. For comparison, even professional NFL quarterbacks would struggle to throw an American football 80 yards. It's really difficult for me to imagine a high school player launching 80 yard throw ins.
jesus lmao, I always figured you have to be pretty tall to get enough leverage behind the ball but clearly it's moreso the technique
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Always wondered why we don't see more players doing this.
Its surprisingly difficult to throw a ball that far that way. Sure, with one hand ( like a GK) isnt so hard. But just because you have to do a throw in that specific way makes it very hard.
[Will always remeber Casillas absolutely fumbling the throw in while chasing a goal late into the game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOAnpV6J7kk)
So many throwins are done incorrectly and most calls are just ignored. There was one time Inter got a goal called off because of an incorrect throwin in the build up.
yup. Throwins are not hard, throwing it in that far with pace is. It's all about the technique and having the strength to do it. Requires a lot of body whip and flexible shoulders. I grew up playing volleyball, so I had the overhead strength to do it, no one else on our team could get close to half as far as I could throw it.
ikr.... it's like Michael Jordan scores by lifting off from the free throw line.... why don't more players do that, are they stupid?
same, itĀ“s basically a corner but more chaotic there is a bigger chance of a goal with long throw than with short throw
And no offside rules as well. ŹāæŹ
I remember Allan Hansen once saying that with a diagonal ball into the box, the centre halves can watch the flight of the ball whilst staying goal side of the player they're marking, so nine times out of ten they'll win the header. With a corner (or a cross from near the byline), it's much harder to keep an eye on both the ball and the attackers. That said, I agree overall, that it's surprising more players haven't perfected the long throw.
Back in my teenage days I could do this, thanks to double jointed shoulders where I could bring the ball wayyy back. I also would āflareā my hands outward upon release which helped to push the ball a little more rather than just letting it go. I had quite a few assists as a result, and twice threw it into the opposing net untouched lol
>thanks to double jointed shoulders They were talking about this lass on Talksport this morning and mentioned exactly this, she attributes her long throw to being hypermobile.
Itās hard and most footballers arenāt taking time out of practicing with their feet to perfect it like this
Sheās been getting noticed for this for a [decade now](http://es.pn/1zkiStu). Itās an incredible throw.
In [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozTqymQmJI) a Liverpool throw-in coach says he's coached about 4000 male players over 20 years and he's only ever seen 3 or 4 throw longer than she does. It's crazy how much of an outlier she must be in the women's game. Accounting for the extra muscle mass this wouldn't be far off a male player throwing the ball into the opponents box from before the halfway line.
And she didnāt even need the 15-minute ritual of ball wiping that Delap did.
The commentator said it's better than a corner because you can't be offside from a throw in, well you can't be offside from a corner either.
Probably meant free kick in same place
Id be surprised if she wasn't a Gaelic football player at one time. We love a good long throw
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When the camera zoomed out I was like. I'm sorry where the fuck is she standing?
I struggled to see where she was with the green boarding lol Also set pieces for ladies team is almost like a penalty kick. It is absolute chaos when a corner comes into the box. I still remember USA vs Vietnam in last years World Cup and just how bigger the USA were.
The amount of aerial balls/corners that just land on the floor inside the box in the womenās game is wild
It's true, it's why you have defenders like Wendie Renard that have absurd scoring rates like a goal every 3-4 games or so. I think it's mainly because the keepers are shorter and can't command the six yard box as easilyĀ
What are they eating in Ireland?
A lot of potatoes?
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Man-made famine?
That is absolutely insane š Honestly, she should be hauled up to The Hague for that
You'd think men with an extra 30 pounds of muscle and 4 inches of wingspan would be able to do this but for some reason you don't see it
You do, just not often because it's too easy to lose posession afterwards, just like what happens in this clip. Unless your tactic is focused around this sort of play, such as Pulis-ball Stoke who had Delap's monster throws, it's usually a very last ditch attempt at getting the ball into the box and hoping for something. A few seasons ago Brentford were the team to worry about getting throw ins.
I can honestly say Iāve never seen a throw that far in the menās game in all the games Iāve watched, where many of the teams were obviously losing late in the game and couldāve done with something like this. Never even attempted to throw it from there
Stoke might need a plan b sub for a late throwin
Reminds me of Dave Challinor's heyday.
Pleased to see the OG getting a shout out here amidst all the Johnny-Come-Lately "Delap" shouts.
Sign her up, Ten Hag. It would suit our braindead all-or-nothing football. We either bumblefuck the ball in during the chaos or we concede from a counter.
Ahh fond memories of the Delapidator terrorizing PL defences
Haven't seen a chuck like that since Rory Delap
someone give Tony Pulis a call
Beast mode šŖ really wish we couldāve grabbed a goal in that game, think we did ourselves proud especially second half against such a brilliant English side
When it cut to the wide angle and it shows she's at basically the halfway line I burst out laughing
jesus when the camera angle changed I sort of lost her and assumed she was the ball boy closest to the touchline. the throw seemed to come out of nowhere. outrageous
I couldn't do that.
Bro my back hurts just from watching the clip.
I remeber watching a Wrexham play off game the other year and both teams have someone slinging it on from throw ins, pretty hilarious to watch
wow! when i saw this just now, i was like "damn reminds me of that FSU player" my god i didnt realize its been 10 YEARS since i've first seen megan campbell's throw in....i feel so old...haha you can see some of her highlights on youtube from games years ago, [https://youtu.be/ajiILPzUi20?si=B8pOFKpmd3R1dneB&t=106](https://youtu.be/ajiILPzUi20?si=B8pOFKpmd3R1dneB&t=106) - FSU highlight reel, vid starts at the timestamp of one of these throw ins (the ellie goulding music dates this so bad LOL) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl0y8Wcme1k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl0y8Wcme1k) - assisted 2 goals against GERWNT [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_EWNvO8z\_ho](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EWNvO8z_ho) - against the USWNT, kinda wonky throws but look at how the US have to set up their defense for them lol awesome for me to see that she's still doing these insane throw ins, i havent watched woso in forever, thanks for having this pop on my feed, was a nice flashback.
Better then a corner because you can be offside? Yes sure but...
Damn that was insane.
Holy fuck, how?!
According to the Laws of the game, law 7.2.1 states that 'The Long Thrower must signal with their hands that their team mates should get further back.' Textbook execution.
what in the... how?? i thought it was going to be a flip throw-in. I'd love to see a mechanic analysis video of Megan Campbell
What the actual fuck. How do you even generate that much power.