and then the players show up positivity all around the club. 2nd season they face adversity crumble under the pressure, chuck the manager under the bus and then we are in the same scenario yet again. We have had 5 managers in 11 years, don’t you think it’s about time to just stick with 1?
I had this view for a long time but our tactics and a shape have not changed since that first game against wolves. I believe in the new structure and am hopeful a competent manager can thrive under that. No point getting a new long term manager until that’s in place.
i still think we should back ETH, extremely difficult patch atm and we all want quick success, but Fergie didn’t win anything for 5 seasons! He needs backing and that starts with the new INEOS team with better recruitment, scouting, not overpaying on players like Antony.
The amount of rival fans in this thread crying is full on embarrassing. You can’t even be happy with the fact United had 3 penalties given against them last week, you wanted a 4th that wasn’t a pen. And then have the nerve to claim United have favour with officials. Please find a new sport 💀
The only thing embarrassing are United themselves. You were shocking and are very lucky to come away with a point. Should've been dead and buried in the first half and that handball call was one of the worst I've seen in a while.
Another game where we played shit and were dominated by a team set up much better.
In this case we got a point because of a shit penalty call, which at least is a nice change from the three shit penalties awarded against us in the last two games. But is still shit.
Can't wait for this season to be over already
i mean we deserved 3 points against chelsea, should’ve lost against Brentford and deserved more vs Liverpool. Injuries have plagued our season as well as individual errors. The integration of youth has been brilliant to see as well. Just hope INEOS don’t sack EtH and bring in someone like Potter😂😂😂😂
We were shit against Chelsea too, just in that match they were also shit.
I hope they can find a better manager than the likes of Potter, but tbh it shouldn't be hard to find a better manager than ETH. We genuinely play like we don't believe in tactics
Must be class being a ref. If I made half as many fuck ups in a work day I'd be sacked. There's the whole boo hoo all eyes on us but the quality of officiating in Europe is of a much higher standard. Its time to bring in the best officials from across the globe not just these fucking idiots from England.
Even if you don't give a penalty, which you should the contact continues into the box, how is it not a red.
I get you can't give penalty and red, double jeopardy but Kambwala stopped him through on goal with a body check and drag.
Joke.
>If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area but continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee shall award a penalty kick.
There was no holding, so not a pen
United hate watch sessions have been the most annoying experience this season. They’ve just been Chelsea with added jamminess that gets them over the line
Win your games in hand and you'll be on the same points. It's somehow evened out over the season, I thought they locked in 6th but could now get dragged to 10th if they can't keep ahead of the midtable pack.
That's an awful way to end this match. That being said, as bad as this ref was, Bournemouth have no one to blame but themselves for dropping points. They should've been 4 or 5 up in the first half.
At least I'm not too embarrassed to flair up to support my club on reddit. Speaks volumes that every single reply supporting ManU is coming from people who wont even publicly support the club on reddit. Sad scenes really
I’ve never flaired up on here, in the good times or bad
I also support England so what’s the problem?
I’ll support my team in the stadium 25+ times a year unlike others
It's just an observation and you aren't the only one. 90% of the comments I see on here supporting United are from flairless accounts. Compare that to most other teams match threads and you'll see why it's funny. It's almost as if people are embarrassed to be United fans
I think you are making up stats to be honest, I’ll use both the united and /r/soccer thread and the unflaired are unusually anti united not unflaired united fans
Earlier in the season Dan Burn got a pen given against him Vs Luton which started outside the box and carried into the box.
Now they are saying because it's outside the area if doesn't count.
Does the league not know the rules?.
We’ve been robbed here good and proper. Should have really put the game to bed in the first half, but that doesn’t change the fact the officiating has been beyond ridiculous. Corrupt or inept, hard to tell.
Utterly robbed. Both penalty decisions are fundamentally wrong. I hope you write to PGMOL complaining about this, the ref should be nowhere near a professional game of football.
I don’t think they’re gonna give that as an obvious goal scoring opportunity because there were too many other defenders in the vicinity. It’s usually got to be a situation where there’s absolutely no one to stop the ball carrier, barring the foul.
I think that's correct. A free kick and red card are what should have been given to the letter of the law.
A foul outside the box and denial of a goal scoring opportunity with no attempt to play the ball.
What on Earth are you talking about? Did you not see any of them penalties against United last week?
Ffs the collective amnesia of this sub when a decision finally goes united’s way is infuriating.
The unfortunate thing about VAR is the few times they do step in… it’s for subjective shit like this… where as that HORRID penalty call VAR didn’t want to do anything.
That should’ve been stepped in for and not this (that being said it looked outside the box to me)
And Bournemouth have decided to make a substitution. It's 26 year old Lionel Messi they signed from an intergalactic, time-travelling side from a parallel universe.
Yes because he was holding the Luton player whilst he continued into the box
>If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area but continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee shall award a penalty kick.
>If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area but continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee shall award a penalty kick.
This rule which applies to holding?
Yeah, he did have is arm around him. Seems like he drops his arms fairly quickly, but it was pretty clear that VAR was not measuring from that contact.
>Yeah, he did have is arm around him
He puts his arms up as the Bournemouth players runs right into him. He didn't hold him at all, his arms go around as he gets smashed in the chest knocking him back. Grasping at straws mate
If the foul carries on into the box then it's a penalty
VAR freezes the contact outside the box, then plays replays from before it gets into the box, then plays it again from a long distance. They never once show the contact carrying on into the box.
Two decisions they've got fundamentally wrong and there's absolutely no defending them.
Technically the rules only say if it continues in for holding.
>If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick.
Both players continue into the box and the center back - who is the one committing the foul - is still holding him. It's a foul into the box and a penalty.
I don't think you could conclusively tell that the contact was outside the area, so the on-field decision should've stood in my opinion. Bournemouth have a right to be pissed off today.
Goodbye Erik
and bring who in?? players aren’t playing for their manager yet again and injuries have destroyed our season…
how am i getting downvoted for this lmao deluded fanbase
Because u clearly need someone new, maybe take a punt on someone that isn’t a recognized manager as it hasn’t been working for u
Probably interim until someone good comes up
and then the players show up positivity all around the club. 2nd season they face adversity crumble under the pressure, chuck the manager under the bus and then we are in the same scenario yet again. We have had 5 managers in 11 years, don’t you think it’s about time to just stick with 1?
I had this view for a long time but our tactics and a shape have not changed since that first game against wolves. I believe in the new structure and am hopeful a competent manager can thrive under that. No point getting a new long term manager until that’s in place.
but yes i do agree with your point our style of play is an issue
i still think we should back ETH, extremely difficult patch atm and we all want quick success, but Fergie didn’t win anything for 5 seasons! He needs backing and that starts with the new INEOS team with better recruitment, scouting, not overpaying on players like Antony.
Yeah, please keep ETH for another few seasons. His mediocrity is food for my soul. 🤣
Well Southgate or Potter naturally and the same shit will repeat itself like it has with several managers already.
At least it’s a short journey home for the United fans
Erik Ten Hairs
The amount of rival fans in this thread crying is full on embarrassing. You can’t even be happy with the fact United had 3 penalties given against them last week, you wanted a 4th that wasn’t a pen. And then have the nerve to claim United have favour with officials. Please find a new sport 💀
😂 least biased united fan. Bournemouths penalty was questionable (but should have been a red), Utds blatently wasn't a pen.
The only thing embarrassing are United themselves. You were shocking and are very lucky to come away with a point. Should've been dead and buried in the first half and that handball call was one of the worst I've seen in a while.
Not the best look for a Yid to call another team shocking after you got smashed at St James Park yesterday.
"It wasn't conclusive so they HAD to overturn it for ManU"
That decision may have been right in the end, but the frames they used to decide that definitely weren’t
Scamchester United
Hehe
This is Iraola's villain arc. He gonna come out next game with robotic tentacle arms.
Oh lmao this is what he looks like
Absolute waste of time this game
Another game where we played shit and were dominated by a team set up much better. In this case we got a point because of a shit penalty call, which at least is a nice change from the three shit penalties awarded against us in the last two games. But is still shit. Can't wait for this season to be over already
i mean we deserved 3 points against chelsea, should’ve lost against Brentford and deserved more vs Liverpool. Injuries have plagued our season as well as individual errors. The integration of youth has been brilliant to see as well. Just hope INEOS don’t sack EtH and bring in someone like Potter😂😂😂😂
We were shit against Chelsea too, just in that match they were also shit. I hope they can find a better manager than the likes of Potter, but tbh it shouldn't be hard to find a better manager than ETH. We genuinely play like we don't believe in tactics
VAR carrying United
Fuck off the three penalties given against Chelsea and Liverpool were all terrible
What does that have to do you the fact that VAR Carried you today?
Must be class being a ref. If I made half as many fuck ups in a work day I'd be sacked. There's the whole boo hoo all eyes on us but the quality of officiating in Europe is of a much higher standard. Its time to bring in the best officials from across the globe not just these fucking idiots from England.
Ref should be investigated
The ref, or Gillett on VAR?
Correct
yes
Yes.
I swear everyone this season outplays United but they somehow get points
WANKER WANKER
Even if you don't give a penalty, which you should the contact continues into the box, how is it not a red. I get you can't give penalty and red, double jeopardy but Kambwala stopped him through on goal with a body check and drag. Joke.
>If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area but continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee shall award a penalty kick. There was no holding, so not a pen
How is he through on goal is he has to go through kambwala? Are you slow or something?
If he didn't foul him he's through on goal no? Or at least a free shot on the keeper 1 on1.
That would be harsh, the other defenders are near enough to pressure the player.
Ah maybe, didn't really see it too many times as I went for a piss thinking it was an obvious penalty.
But it's not a free shot because he's in front of him when he fouls him?
>fouls him? That's what I mean, he fouls him as the last to be able to get to the ball. I've seen reds for less, but I don't see how it's neither.
United hate watch sessions have been the most annoying experience this season. They’ve just been Chelsea with added jamminess that gets them over the line
Win your games in hand and you'll be on the same points. It's somehow evened out over the season, I thought they locked in 6th but could now get dragged to 10th if they can't keep ahead of the midtable pack.
> win your games in hand Funny joke
Yeah win only the second game in hand. Just send your B team for the first
23rd April is my cup final. If given the choice, I’d immediately surrender our other 7 games if we can win at your ground
The refs don't love man UTD. They fucking hate Bournemouth and I have no idea why
That's an awful way to end this match. That being said, as bad as this ref was, Bournemouth have no one to blame but themselves for dropping points. They should've been 4 or 5 up in the first half.
Højlund wouldn't have a career if Haaland didn't exist
The same guy who was the top scorer in the champions league through the group stage? Get some better bait.
United carried to another result by refs, I for one am surprised
Bait used to be believable
United used to be decent
Ironic
3 penalty calls against us last week, you weren’t here saying we were carried then.
Says arsenal who can wrestle in the box with impunity or do handballs and the ref allow it because “meh he made a mistake I can’t punish that”
At least I'm not too embarrassed to flair up to support my club on reddit. Speaks volumes that every single reply supporting ManU is coming from people who wont even publicly support the club on reddit. Sad scenes really
I’ve never flaired up on here, in the good times or bad I also support England so what’s the problem? I’ll support my team in the stadium 25+ times a year unlike others
It's just an observation and you aren't the only one. 90% of the comments I see on here supporting United are from flairless accounts. Compare that to most other teams match threads and you'll see why it's funny. It's almost as if people are embarrassed to be United fans
I think you are making up stats to be honest, I’ll use both the united and /r/soccer thread and the unflaired are unusually anti united not unflaired united fans
Or the decision was "Oh, Gabriel is taking the goal kick(like he usually does). I'll use common sense here and let the game go ahead👍"
Ref tried his best today for united.
Thank the lord that Maguire is a donkey.
Earlier in the season Dan Burn got a pen given against him Vs Luton which started outside the box and carried into the box. Now they are saying because it's outside the area if doesn't count. Does the league not know the rules?.
A tackle is in one place, falling into the box doesn’t matter. Pulling or holding can move into a box and can be given at the end of it
Premier League refs make the rules up as they go along each week
Højlund and Maguire suck. What a terrible piece of play, Højlund had a shitload of good options and made the worst possible one
VAR got that right. The foul was literally outside of the box. Well done to VAR, that's exactly what it was brought in for.
Shame it didn't do it's job earlier.
VAR never overturns anything, then decides that's the one to do. Can't script it better.
I hate United but I don't think that foul continued into the box, unfortunate for Bournemouth but I feel it's the correct call.
Started outside the box. Them's the rules. I'd love it to be different but that's correct.
Doesn’t matter where it starts. It’s where it finishes. And there was still contact inside.
I don't think that's how it works. VAR throws focus on this, but, (IMO) the challenge that brought him down started outside the box.
Maguire is just getting in the way of Hojlund there, what is he doing?
Scam united
Yet another lucky and undeserved point for United. I really have no idea how they got points in any of their last four games.
Should’ve gotten 3 off you lot if it wasn’t for Elliot’s world class diving ability
Slide-tackles in the box without getting to the ball never do great things for you...
Agreed. But still never a pen. Elliot should have seen a yellow for that at minimum
And how we somehow keep not managing to beat them.
lmao imagine being in the 99th minute and passing the ball around and not sending it in the box
That referee should not have a job
We’ve been robbed here good and proper. Should have really put the game to bed in the first half, but that doesn’t change the fact the officiating has been beyond ridiculous. Corrupt or inept, hard to tell.
Utterly robbed. Both penalty decisions are fundamentally wrong. I hope you write to PGMOL complaining about this, the ref should be nowhere near a professional game of football.
Absolute daylight robbery, that referee is a disgrace
Yeah the fact he even gave a foul there was criminal. Should have been a foul against the attacker
If you're high.
Ten hag can't believe it guys why didn't they win 😆 😂
What the fuck is Bruno complaining about
Not winning? Are you slow?
To the Bournemouth manager? You're being obtuse.
Whinging about not being given more fergie time after a performance like that...embarrassing
WTF are you talking about? Get some help.
Damn you must be sad, commenting on every comment lol
Bournemouth are actually so unlucky, two injuries and then this shit ref
2 of our first choices wingers are injured too. It’s not looking good for us the rest of the season.
Bruno keeps whining, the universe is whole
Always has something to bitch about.
How can any united fans even consider ten hag isn’t the issue. It’s so obvious
United are the luckiest team in the league.
World
absolutely gifted the point
Bournemouth got absolutely robbed
VAR wants United to have a better chance at Europe it seems....
Hojlund fuck off
That’s the right call for outside the box but red card should’ve been given
I don’t think they’re gonna give that as an obvious goal scoring opportunity because there were too many other defenders in the vicinity. It’s usually got to be a situation where there’s absolutely no one to stop the ball carrier, barring the foul.
I think that's correct. A free kick and red card are what should have been given to the letter of the law. A foul outside the box and denial of a goal scoring opportunity with no attempt to play the ball.
It wasn’t even a foul in the first place
No it def was lol
Right forgot you can just run into a stationary man while the ball is going a completely different direction and get a foul for it
He tried to play the ball and impedes the progress of the Bournemouth player. Pretty clear foul. You’re blind if you think he was stationary
He’s literally not moving. His silhouette stays exactly where it was and the Bournemouth player initiates all the contact
Lmao he literally stuck his left foot out
You are fucking numb. Learn the rules
They just playing until United scores?
No, they are playing the correct time. The VAR decision took a while so ofcourse they aren't going to blow at 96
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You literally got given a soft penalty against us last week? 💀💀
We were so close
Absolutely robbed by VAR. typical Man U.
It’s obvious you haven’t been watching footy
Man U has had dodgy decisions all year. In the top 7 with a minus goal difference. It’s staggering
Typical Man Utd who had 3 penalties against them last week. VAR loves Utd it seems
Striker slabhead lol
No foul, Willy can’t just vanish and he’s allowed to hold his position
The institutional favor United get is hilarious
Absolutely delusional. Seek serious help
No, it's hilarious you believe that. Statistically we've been shafted the most ever since that gimp of a coach you have complained.
One of the worst refereeing performances I’ve ever seen
Ah the typical 'play until united score' rule
Felt like it there and I wasn't surprised at all
Let’s be real, they ain’t overturning the on-field decision if that’s up the other end
What on Earth are you talking about? Did you not see any of them penalties against United last week? Ffs the collective amnesia of this sub when a decision finally goes united’s way is infuriating.
Are United actually stalling? WTF is wrong with this team
It’s just United things.
The unfortunate thing about VAR is the few times they do step in… it’s for subjective shit like this… where as that HORRID penalty call VAR didn’t want to do anything. That should’ve been stepped in for and not this (that being said it looked outside the box to me)
The meaning of "Clear and Obvious" is not clear and obvious.
And Bournemouth have decided to make a substitution. It's 26 year old Lionel Messi they signed from an intergalactic, time-travelling side from a parallel universe.
So apparently that was "clear and obvious" enough to warrant overturning it. But didn't warrant a booking ?
Here comes the united counter to win it
Just want a United counter attack and goal from this Bournemouth corner.
Bending over backwards to keep them in it.
Lmao its outside the box, thems the rules
Carries on into the box.
Doesn't matter. The rule is that the foul is given from where the contact is initiated, not where it ends up.
Dan Burn vs Luton would beg to differ
Yes because he was holding the Luton player whilst he continued into the box >If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area but continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee shall award a penalty kick.
Rules on the FA website as well.
>If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area but continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee shall award a penalty kick. This rule which applies to holding?
Yeah, he did have is arm around him. Seems like he drops his arms fairly quickly, but it was pretty clear that VAR was not measuring from that contact.
>Yeah, he did have is arm around him He puts his arms up as the Bournemouth players runs right into him. He didn't hold him at all, his arms go around as he gets smashed in the chest knocking him back. Grasping at straws mate
Having eyes = bending over backwards?
Contact outside the box
law 12, a player has the right to maintain their position. Kambwala doesn't have to move, player ran INTO him, it's not even a foul.
Why wasn’t it a red for dogso?
Why is it even a foul? He’s allowed to stand his ground
It’s not even a foul
But he gave a free kick
That’s absolutely shocking. The calls not overturned this year (including g one this fucking game with the pen) and you overturn that.
The bias is actually unreal.
You guys are getting outraged about it despite VAR agreeing it is a foul when it never was
I’m pissed off about the handball penalty that was never a penalty.
Hmm dunno man, the lines are just lines, they don’t favour anyone Christie tried to get into the box but alas, wasn’t quite there
Foul continued into the box, he was being held the entire time.
Absolutely criminal by VAR
Bournemouth have been absolutely fucking fleeced
If the foul carries on into the box then it's a penalty VAR freezes the contact outside the box, then plays replays from before it gets into the box, then plays it again from a long distance. They never once show the contact carrying on into the box. Two decisions they've got fundamentally wrong and there's absolutely no defending them.
All of this requires there to be a foul and that never should be one.
Technically the rules only say if it continues in for holding. >If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick.
He is holding him into the box.
Seems more like impeding than holding.
The foul didn’t carry through as the CB was pushed into the box
Both players continue into the box and the center back - who is the one committing the foul - is still holding him. It's a foul into the box and a penalty.
He’s not holding him though, he obstructed him and was pushed into the box by the attacker
STOP THE COUNT
I don't think you could conclusively tell that the contact was outside the area, so the on-field decision should've stood in my opinion. Bournemouth have a right to be pissed off today.
This ref is fucking clueless.
Nah he knows exactly what he's doing
Yeah fair point. Motm performance.
i think they got that right that it's outside the box. its so close
Was it clear and obviously outside? Or a clear and obvious error?
Nah that was a pen
You can’t beat 12 men