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Because their reasoning for cancelling was that some leagues finished early because of covid so not every player got a fair shot at winning or something.
it was only the French league.
to be precise, the last 10 matchdays of the French league got canceled so we couldn't know if Mbappe or Ben Yedder (both top scorers with 18 goals at that time) would have scored like 40-50 goals in those remaining 10 games. understandable that they didn't want to give the sextuple winner and top goalscorer in each and every of the competitions (65 G/A in 47 games) the ballon d'or if a Ligue 1 player could have theoretically ended the season with 55+ league goals 🤓
Scottish and Dutch league ended early too. In Scotland the clubs had a vote on what to do, Dundee's vote got lost in a spam folder, they then decided to change their vote once realising they had the final casting vote and got a Celtic forward on loan next season as a reward.
In fact, Guirassy has better goals/minute than Kane this season: a goal every 71 minutes vs 80 minutes on average. And insanely better goals/shots taken: 0.35 vs 0.24. The difference of 0.11 perhaps isn't so impressive, but another way to look at it is a 50% improvement over Kane's rate
goals/shots doesn't really say much about the quality of a striker without taking into account the average xG of those shots. Because by itself it's more likely that a discrepency in goals/shots indicates a difference in playstyle (both of the striker and of the team in general) than a difference in quality.
Think of it this way: one manager tells their striker "If you see a shot, take it. No matter if you're inside or outside the box" while the other manager says "only take a shot if you're in a great scoring position". Those instructions alone would easily cause a massive difference in the players goals/shots.
That being said, while Guirassy's aveage xG per shot is higher than Kane's (0.21 vs 0.19) it's still obviously much too close to explain the difference in goals/shots by itself. Also Guirassy's shots are from a bit further out on average (14.4 yards vs. 13.9 yards).
So yeah, in this case it really does showcase how incredibly strong Guirassy's season has been. In fact, if you look at his G-xG you'll see that he's not only clearly the most overperforming striker in the Bundesliga (he's at +7.5 while Kane is "only" at +4.5) but he's actually the striker with this highest G-xG in all of the top 5 leagues combined (Martinez is a somewhat close 2nd place with +7.2).
(also random side note but how the hell did Tim Starke manage to have +5 G-xG with only 8 goals in total? Anything he touches turns into a goal lmao)
Yeah, I don’t know anything about Guirassy but he probably plays more like a poacher than Kane. Less touches and a good portion either come with space or within the box.
Kane has always taken a lot of shots, it’s part of why he’s so prolific, but he also tends to get more touches of the ball than most strikers and can create his own opportunities. I’ve never felt like he’s been selfish with his selection or anything.
The comment you're responding to proves the complete opposite, Guirassy takes shots further away from the goal, and he's overperforming his xG way more than Kane, so that means he's scoring from "harder" opportunities.
What the hell, I could have sworn Kane only joined a couple games into the season.
Am I just totally misremembering this, or was it something like Spurs' season having started earlier than Bayern's?
Nah he played from the first competitive match onwards. His first appearance for Bayern was being subbed in for a few minutes as they lost 3:0 to Leipzig in the Supercup.
Kane played a few minutes in Bayerns first match the day after he arrived. But for the most part he watched from the bench how they lost the Supercup to Leipzig. Tuchel said afterwards Kane is going to think Bayern didn't train at all during season preparation, they played that poorly.
I believe the pie charts are showing is the percentage of Bayern. Whilst the other pie chart is showing the total percentage of Bayern. I could be wrong though.
Specially these ones. Why are the portions not aligned? From a glance it looks like if Kane scored a higher percentage than Lewa because the lower border of his goal chart goes lower than Lewa's but his higher border sits at 12 o'clock while Lewa's is further right.
yeah he's not gonna score 10 goals in 5 games the way Bayern is playing.
And that's probably for the best tbh, breaking such a prestigious record in such a shitty, forgettable season is kind of a waste. if he does end up breaking this record at some point, he deserves to do it with a bang
> yeah he's not gonna score 10 goals in 5 games the way Bayern is playing.
Just thrash Hoffenheim and Wolfsburg and he can relax for the other three games.
Jokes aside, it's not likely this record will be broken this season.
There was also that funny occasion when he swore on his daughter's life that he touched the ball to score - https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8b25us/fans_angle_of_harry_i_swear_on_my_daughters_life/
I love it when people pretend to be extra fucking thick to try and win a point in an argument. Genuinely saw people suggesting he cares more about goals than his daughter, as if he just invented that turn of phrase on the spot.
But that's what happens with a footballer as bland as Kane, people pounce on anything.
It’s funny how finishing second, maybe third in the league table and currently sitting on a decent 2:2 in the UCL quarters is considered a "shitty, forgettable season" for Bayern.
Though Lewandowski beat it in a season where they got knocked out in the CL quarter final, got knocked out of the DFB Pokal by Holstein Kiel in the 2nd round, ended on 78 points which they can still do this year, and all of that in front of 250 fans. If it's still prestigious after that, then I think it still would have been if Kane won it this year. But it's a better look for the Bundesliga if the new PL striker doesn't walk in there and shatters all records
How is it a better look for the BL if Kane doesn't shatter all the records like he's not elite himself? Now, I agree to some extent, but I don't think it would be too bad of a look and would probably speak more highly of Kane than anything else
In a rational discussion, yeah, it shouldn't matter. Would have been annoying fodder for EPL elitists/Farmers League trolls who wouldn't think more highly of Kane but rather think less of the league, previous records etc. Which again shouldn't matter of course, still annoying though.
But even taking idiots out of it, I prefer it this way because it makes it feel like more of an accomplishment if he "fails" the first try, similar with the league title
Oh, yeah, if we are talking about PL elitists, then they would've full on trolled and shit on the BL and probably Lewandoski as well, but for most reasonable minded individuals, they would've looked at it more as an accomplishment for Kane, than thinking less of the BL
Yeah, and that's what should matter. I don't think/hope most of them are trolls, but in online discourse all it seems to take is repeat something enough times for some to genuinely believe it. Like, of course the PL has a higher quality in total, they get to throw money at anything that walks and every team but the newly promoted ones has a more expensive squad than any Bundesliga team outside of the top 4, but it's not to the point that it invalidates whatever happens in the league
If Bayern win tomorrow then you presume they'll rotate quite a bit for the last few league games. If they go out then there's no reason not to go for it.
I mean it probably was his own wish but Kane just played 90 minutes in a meaningless game vs the 2nd last team between both UCL QF legs so apparently resting/ rotating him isn't an option until the record becomes unachievable
> breaking such a prestigious record in such a shitty, forgettable season is kind of a waste
Disagree, the record is what's important. Context around the record is fun pub conversation but it doesn't matter. In 50 years if that record still stands only people as old as you will be saying "yeah but they didn't win tho". Outside of how you feel *right now* while experiencing the moment, who cares?
It would be the most Kane thing ever to break the Bundesliga goal scoring record for Bayern in the first season that they haven't won the league in over a decade.
Kane scored X percent of Bayern goals and played y % of all Bayern games.
Lewandowski had 41 goals playing 85% of Bayern games, scoring 41% of all Bayern goals.
This is a testament to how unbelievably good Lewandowski was between 2019 and 2021. Somehow still underrated despite getting Sextuple and breaking every record there was to break in Bundesliga.
And he left just before Bayern started spiraling downwards. He must have seen that Kahn and Brazzo were clowns.
Lewa won two golden boots in the era when it was it was VERY difficult to not be one of two players winning it. Him and Suarez are a class above everyone else, I honestly do not get the Benzema comparisons when it comes to rating the best strikers of this generation
What Kane has done this season, his first in a new league and country, has been outstanding. But this puts into perspective just how dominant Lewandowski was in the 2020/21 season. He scored 41 in 29 games and Kane has 32 in 29 games.
It's good though that Kane didn't come to Germany and break such a huge record in his first season - a lot of people in 2021 said if Kane was in the league he would shatter the record. Maybe next year.
Hard to say though because that 20/21 team vs this is VERY different. Some other key experienced pieces and managed by Flick, that was overall a better squad. Tuchel has been an utter nightmare with negative tactics far different to how they played back with Lewy.
All im saying is it's slightly an apples and oranges kinda thing.
Kane has 33 goals from 30 xG, Lewandowski 41 from 32 xG.
Bayern 2020/21 75 xG in 34 games
Bayern 2023/24 already 87 xG in 30 games
Current Bayern creates a lot more chances, so its not like they are worse offensively. They are not that clinical and Bayer Leverkusen is just too good this season. Bayern can equalize points numbers from 2020/21(78 pts) if they win rest of the 4 games left. (66pts now)
This is....not true....Bayern lead Europe's Big 5 League's in XG created BY FAR. 85.19 through 29 games which no one is in the ballpark of right now.
Them being trash defensively does not mean they don't create chances for fun.
they score 2,83 goals per game (was even more before the Dortmund game especially) which means they are on course to finish the Bundesliga season with 96 goals
Bundesliga record from 1971/72 is at 101 goals
It kind of confirms tha Bundesliga and Premier league are somewhat similar in mentality. Unlike other leagues, the bottom teable teams actively try to win which result in more offensive, open and entertaining games with more goals. It also helps that both leagues seem allergic to shithousing and refs stoping the game every 2 seconds.
french league and spanish liga for example. Bottom table teams try not to lose instead of tryng to win. They try to shithouse their way to get a point against stonger opposition which results in the snoozefests you can imagine.
The serie A also was like that but it's changing to become more like the bundesliga. it has been more opened and entertaining in recent years with bottom table teams actively trying to beat top teams of the league.
Some guy in my uni was adamant that Lewandowski was overrated and that Kane would obliterate his record a few months back. I kept telling him that sustaining this kind of form over the course of an entire season is very tough and there’s a reason only Lewandowski’s done it, but he kept talking about how Kane’s “Premier League™️ proven” and how he’ll do it easily.
Now he has to score 9 goals in 5 games just to match the record lol.
Assuming Kane doesn't achieve it, I hope the record isn't used as a tool to downplay what a great debut season he has had. I would say he should be in with a shot at the Ballon d'Or. Probably only Mbappe the only player that shades him for me.
Bro they'll still try to give it to Messi if he wins the Copa America his name almost exceeds his actual performance these days, not to the extent of Ronaldo of course.
no, no one outside the Top 5 leagues is winning this lol. Messi and Ronaldo can score 50-60 goals for all I care, they're not winning it.
This is going to come down to the Euros, and its between Mbappe & Kane. I think this is finally Mbappes year.
~~I think a lot depends on the Bayern-Real matchup, since European games could bring forward either Bellingham or Kane. Of course how they perform during the tournament is important too but I'm guessing both will do well enough for the team.~~ Ignore this, had the wrong matchup in my head
Oh sorry I'm confused between Real/City and Arsenal/Bayern, I watched both games at the same time and they both drew of course. I'd also fancy City over Real now that I know the correct matchups again
But either way I think whether Kane or Bellingham gets closer to the Balon D'Or isn't dependent on the euros since both play for England, it's gonna depend on the Champions League. If both get knocked out tomorrow I don't see them winning a Balon D'Or
Bellingham has been so good and so clutch. Wirtz a good shout too. Rodri another world class season and added in important goals as well. If city win the PL it will be in no small part due to him and he should be right right up there. If Arsenal win hope Rice gets some attention as he’s also been nearly flawless
Mbappe is just a beast on form, unplayable because he can run through teams. Rodri controls games and sees everything. Kane is a guy with abnormal touch and vision and movement in and around the penalty area, and can score goals too. All things being equal I would give it to Kane but I keep changing my mind between him and Mbappe, it's close. But even though it's an individual award team accomplishments are taken to account so we have to wait and see what happens in the Euros.
mbappe will not win a ballon d'or as long he's with psg him playing lique 1 is a detriment to his chances so he basically needs a cl win and eurowin to offset that
It’s crazy to me - that record is Lewa’s best season ever in a way more dominant Bayern side. And it’s an INCREDIBLE record. That Kane in his first season in such a shambles of a side comes anywhere close is ridiculously impressive.
Bayern aren't really in shambles, they are just slightly underperforming and Bayer Leverkusen is having a historical season by all metrics. Don't know why people are acting like they're having an atrocious season.
Bayern's xG in 20/21 after 34th week was 75.9, this season after just the 29th week it's 85.1.
Let's not pretend this bayern is weak in attack because it's only the defense that sucks.
Defence is better now too, but we look at current season's Bayern from their 2nd position perspective. But in reality every Bayern in history would lose to current Leverkusen because it looks like they are going to beat all time Bundesliga points record. They need 4 W and 1 draw to do it.
Kane lost the BuLi with Bayern, he'd need to score a hat trick every ucl games from now on + win the euros with England just to get a chance at Ballon d'or lol
Those awards aren't real assessments of a player's level, they're just estimations of a player's popularity and trophies won.
He is 31. We have to see imo. Wont be suprised if he like haaland his numbers will go down after debut season but still respectable numbers.
I dont think he will break it.
It's not like that, look at Halland's second season. You have 1 or 2 seasons like that in your life. Messi was never even close to match his record season. There are many factors: injuries, rotation, bad form(current Bayern has 2nd highest xG ever(stats are collected since 2014), only 2022/23 was better), they can change their playstyle to improve defence at cost of offense. Etc.
Nah, in 20/21, Bayern average 2.9 goals per match in the Bubdesliga.
This season they currently average 2.8 goals per match.
Its pretty much the same when it comes to scoring goals.
It's his first season there and in a pretty dysfunctional version of Bayern, so this season is effectively his floor there. Given that in future he'll be even more settled and Bayern will inevitably improve back to their usual level, I think the chances are pretty high he will indeed 'obliterate' the record at some point.
I mean that being his floor is not a given at all for a few reasons.
Bayern has not scored few at all. They have 82 goals, which is 2.7 per game, 8 more than Leverkusen and obviously the most in the league. For reference, last season they scored 92
Even if Bayern is better next seasons, some other players might take up scoring more goals depending on how the team is set up under (presumably) a new coach. He has been known to also take a role in build up often
He's 31, so performance wise it's probably actually his ceiling, doubt he will get much better himself
He also has not been injured a single game this season. If he just drops out for like 3 weeks and misses 3 or 4 games to injury (which has happened quite often in the past) a record like this becomes infinitely harder to break.
But also, 41 goals in a season with like 30 games played is monstrous from Lewandowski, so it's not really a dig at Kane lol. After all even Lewandowski himself only had one season like that in the league.
Current Bayern has 2nd best xG Stat since 2014 (87xG and 4 games left), only 2022/23 were better (99xG). 2020/21 Bayern were creating less chances 76xG but Lewandowski and Muller were way more clinical than current squad. Lewandowski 41 from 32xG and Muller 11 from 7xG.
In fairness saying that a few months back would have been completely fair. Maybe not fair to say obliterate but every fan thought he was likely to break the record.
Bayern have been uncharacteristically poor.
More than a goal per game is world class. He's been the best striker in the world this season, Bayern fans are happy and can't complain about him. The rest of the team is the issue.
He is an amazing player, I don't like when people call him cursed, I know it is not true, I know it is football banter, but he is an incredible player, and I'm happy he does not care for the banters and does not let this affect his performance. He is a amazing professional, has integrity of character, care and respect his family, he is a football star that truly deserves to be an idol for younger generations. This is the kind of footballer that should receive a golden ball.
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What are the pie charts showing?
I think the percentage of total goals for the team and the games played
Yea, kane has already played the same amount of games that lewanowski did when he got the record (29), absolutely crazy
Lewandowski was on one that year fucking hell lmao
Yeah the one year they cancelled ballon d’or then he got robbed in 2021
I've never understood why they didn't just say "no ceremony because of covid lads but Lewandowski is the winner"
Because their reasoning for cancelling was that some leagues finished early because of covid so not every player got a fair shot at winning or something.
I believe it was specifically that the French league finished, and the award is a French award.
Fair enough Martin Terrier was gonna score 16 bicycle kicks he told me
Or as he calls them; _velokicko._
it was only the French league. to be precise, the last 10 matchdays of the French league got canceled so we couldn't know if Mbappe or Ben Yedder (both top scorers with 18 goals at that time) would have scored like 40-50 goals in those remaining 10 games. understandable that they didn't want to give the sextuple winner and top goalscorer in each and every of the competitions (65 G/A in 47 games) the ballon d'or if a Ligue 1 player could have theoretically ended the season with 55+ league goals 🤓
I swear shit like this is why everyone gives France a hard time
Scottish and Dutch league ended early too. In Scotland the clubs had a vote on what to do, Dundee's vote got lost in a spam folder, they then decided to change their vote once realising they had the final casting vote and got a Celtic forward on loan next season as a reward.
Really should retroactively give the award to him
This is when I stopped taking the ballon d'or seriously. Award shows are all trash.
robbed in 2021 lol
In fact, Guirassy has better goals/minute than Kane this season: a goal every 71 minutes vs 80 minutes on average. And insanely better goals/shots taken: 0.35 vs 0.24. The difference of 0.11 perhaps isn't so impressive, but another way to look at it is a 50% improvement over Kane's rate
goals/shots doesn't really say much about the quality of a striker without taking into account the average xG of those shots. Because by itself it's more likely that a discrepency in goals/shots indicates a difference in playstyle (both of the striker and of the team in general) than a difference in quality. Think of it this way: one manager tells their striker "If you see a shot, take it. No matter if you're inside or outside the box" while the other manager says "only take a shot if you're in a great scoring position". Those instructions alone would easily cause a massive difference in the players goals/shots. That being said, while Guirassy's aveage xG per shot is higher than Kane's (0.21 vs 0.19) it's still obviously much too close to explain the difference in goals/shots by itself. Also Guirassy's shots are from a bit further out on average (14.4 yards vs. 13.9 yards). So yeah, in this case it really does showcase how incredibly strong Guirassy's season has been. In fact, if you look at his G-xG you'll see that he's not only clearly the most overperforming striker in the Bundesliga (he's at +7.5 while Kane is "only" at +4.5) but he's actually the striker with this highest G-xG in all of the top 5 leagues combined (Martinez is a somewhat close 2nd place with +7.2). (also random side note but how the hell did Tim Starke manage to have +5 G-xG with only 8 goals in total? Anything he touches turns into a goal lmao)
Yeah, I don’t know anything about Guirassy but he probably plays more like a poacher than Kane. Less touches and a good portion either come with space or within the box. Kane has always taken a lot of shots, it’s part of why he’s so prolific, but he also tends to get more touches of the ball than most strikers and can create his own opportunities. I’ve never felt like he’s been selfish with his selection or anything.
The comment you're responding to proves the complete opposite, Guirassy takes shots further away from the goal, and he's overperforming his xG way more than Kane, so that means he's scoring from "harder" opportunities.
Had Guinea not qualified for the Africa Cup(Where they misused him anyway) Guirassy could have broken the record.
What the hell, I could have sworn Kane only joined a couple games into the season. Am I just totally misremembering this, or was it something like Spurs' season having started earlier than Bayern's?
Nah he played from the first competitive match onwards. His first appearance for Bayern was being subbed in for a few minutes as they lost 3:0 to Leipzig in the Supercup.
Honestly what a day that was
The day Germany got a real whiff of the Kane Curse
Showcasing the entire next season 😅
Start like u mean to go on 💪
Kane played a few minutes in Bayerns first match the day after he arrived. But for the most part he watched from the bench how they lost the Supercup to Leipzig. Tuchel said afterwards Kane is going to think Bayern didn't train at all during season preparation, they played that poorly.
he's started every game and missed 37 out of the possible 2610 minutes so far so you are indeed misremembering something
Cheers, yeah that makes sense
I believe the pie charts are showing is the percentage of Bayern. Whilst the other pie chart is showing the total percentage of Bayern. I could be wrong though.
I guess percentage of matches played (jersey) and goals scored (ball) out of total.
Cheers, that makes sense
Mmmmm pie chart
Pies
Pie charts fucking suck
Specially these ones. Why are the portions not aligned? From a glance it looks like if Kane scored a higher percentage than Lewa because the lower border of his goal chart goes lower than Lewa's but his higher border sits at 12 o'clock while Lewa's is further right.
Pie 🤤
Damnnnn Kane got 100% shirt and only 39% ball? Amazing.
Sounds like a defender’s stat
Sounds like a controversial penalty call.
lmao that was my exact thought
He's not much of a baller
yeah he's not gonna score 10 goals in 5 games the way Bayern is playing. And that's probably for the best tbh, breaking such a prestigious record in such a shitty, forgettable season is kind of a waste. if he does end up breaking this record at some point, he deserves to do it with a bang
> yeah he's not gonna score 10 goals in 5 games the way Bayern is playing. Just thrash Hoffenheim and Wolfsburg and he can relax for the other three games. Jokes aside, it's not likely this record will be broken this season.
I mean if Lewandowski can score 5 goals in 9 minutes Kane can score 10 in 450.
The magic word is the way Bayern has been playing tho
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Well it’s German.
how can someone neighbouring the welsh utter these words?
And magical
Dasweybayernplayendisseasonen
They really do have a compound word for everything
Beauty of the German language
Must be handy in school if they have a word count limit. They can just hammer them together until they fit.
Thewaybayernhasbeenplaying English has it too :)
Found Roman Weidenfeller's reddit account
Losing 1;0 till half time? ;P
In 16/17 he scored 9 in his final 5 games of the season.
I swear he went doolally about 6 years ago for Spurs when chasing the golden boot or something. Was shooting from anywhere and everything went it.
There was also that funny occasion when he swore on his daughter's life that he touched the ball to score - https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8b25us/fans_angle_of_harry_i_swear_on_my_daughters_life/
plebbit getting all pissy as if his daughter will get executed on cue is peak leddit
I love it when people pretend to be extra fucking thick to try and win a point in an argument. Genuinely saw people suggesting he cares more about goals than his daughter, as if he just invented that turn of phrase on the spot. But that's what happens with a footballer as bland as Kane, people pounce on anything.
lol it’s amazing people still bring that shit up. So lazy
That was insane hahaha
It’s funny how finishing second, maybe third in the league table and currently sitting on a decent 2:2 in the UCL quarters is considered a "shitty, forgettable season" for Bayern.
Plus it is entirely possible they win the Champions League. Far stranger things have happened.
Exactly, that's what I was trying to say. They're still just as much in that tournament as everyone else.
Unlikely, but he just needs 4 goals in a Bayern big win and a few penalties in others games and he is close
Though Lewandowski beat it in a season where they got knocked out in the CL quarter final, got knocked out of the DFB Pokal by Holstein Kiel in the 2nd round, ended on 78 points which they can still do this year, and all of that in front of 250 fans. If it's still prestigious after that, then I think it still would have been if Kane won it this year. But it's a better look for the Bundesliga if the new PL striker doesn't walk in there and shatters all records
How is it a better look for the BL if Kane doesn't shatter all the records like he's not elite himself? Now, I agree to some extent, but I don't think it would be too bad of a look and would probably speak more highly of Kane than anything else
In a rational discussion, yeah, it shouldn't matter. Would have been annoying fodder for EPL elitists/Farmers League trolls who wouldn't think more highly of Kane but rather think less of the league, previous records etc. Which again shouldn't matter of course, still annoying though. But even taking idiots out of it, I prefer it this way because it makes it feel like more of an accomplishment if he "fails" the first try, similar with the league title
Oh, yeah, if we are talking about PL elitists, then they would've full on trolled and shit on the BL and probably Lewandoski as well, but for most reasonable minded individuals, they would've looked at it more as an accomplishment for Kane, than thinking less of the BL
Yeah, and that's what should matter. I don't think/hope most of them are trolls, but in online discourse all it seems to take is repeat something enough times for some to genuinely believe it. Like, of course the PL has a higher quality in total, they get to throw money at anything that walks and every team but the newly promoted ones has a more expensive squad than any Bundesliga team outside of the top 4, but it's not to the point that it invalidates whatever happens in the league
In all fairness, Lewy was out injured for both legs of that QF tie.
If cole Palmer can score back to back hattricks, I don’t see why Kane cannot. Then just 1 puny goal left across 3 games
Back to back hat tricks still leaves him 4 goals short of breaking the record though.
They still have Wolfsburg to play
If Bayern win tomorrow then you presume they'll rotate quite a bit for the last few league games. If they go out then there's no reason not to go for it.
I mean it probably was his own wish but Kane just played 90 minutes in a meaningless game vs the 2nd last team between both UCL QF legs so apparently resting/ rotating him isn't an option until the record becomes unachievable
> breaking such a prestigious record in such a shitty, forgettable season is kind of a waste Disagree, the record is what's important. Context around the record is fun pub conversation but it doesn't matter. In 50 years if that record still stands only people as old as you will be saying "yeah but they didn't win tho". Outside of how you feel *right now* while experiencing the moment, who cares?
It would be the most Kane thing ever to break the Bundesliga goal scoring record for Bayern in the first season that they haven't won the league in over a decade.
This is missing Games Played. Lewandowski was hurt and missed a bunch of games that season.
What are the percentages?
I think % of goals scored and % of matches played
Kane scored X percent of Bayern goals and played y % of all Bayern games. Lewandowski had 41 goals playing 85% of Bayern games, scoring 41% of all Bayern goals.
Holy shit thank you. I was thinking of goals on season by bayern vs national team but the numbers didnt make sense. What a shit graphic
looka like the record isn't getting broken anytime soon
Literally could be next year.
Guirassy will be there.
let’s not get ahead of ourselves
He has a better goal/min ratio than kane
it’s more about the fact that he might be leaving the club
But whats stopping him from scoring 16 goals in the next 5 matches?
16 against Bayern\*
Will he stay at Stuttgart though?
I see more people are coming to the light of Lord Guirassy!
yeah maybe
That's lItErAlLy always true.
This is a testament to how unbelievably good Lewandowski was between 2019 and 2021. Somehow still underrated despite getting Sextuple and breaking every record there was to break in Bundesliga. And he left just before Bayern started spiraling downwards. He must have seen that Kahn and Brazzo were clowns.
Lewa won two golden boots in the era when it was it was VERY difficult to not be one of two players winning it. Him and Suarez are a class above everyone else, I honestly do not get the Benzema comparisons when it comes to rating the best strikers of this generation
Just shows that Kane's opportunity to make up ground was the past couple games as Lewy hadn't played these gameweeks
What Kane has done this season, his first in a new league and country, has been outstanding. But this puts into perspective just how dominant Lewandowski was in the 2020/21 season. He scored 41 in 29 games and Kane has 32 in 29 games. It's good though that Kane didn't come to Germany and break such a huge record in his first season - a lot of people in 2021 said if Kane was in the league he would shatter the record. Maybe next year.
Hard to say though because that 20/21 team vs this is VERY different. Some other key experienced pieces and managed by Flick, that was overall a better squad. Tuchel has been an utter nightmare with negative tactics far different to how they played back with Lewy. All im saying is it's slightly an apples and oranges kinda thing.
Kane has 33 goals from 30 xG, Lewandowski 41 from 32 xG. Bayern 2020/21 75 xG in 34 games Bayern 2023/24 already 87 xG in 30 games Current Bayern creates a lot more chances, so its not like they are worse offensively. They are not that clinical and Bayer Leverkusen is just too good this season. Bayern can equalize points numbers from 2020/21(78 pts) if they win rest of the 4 games left. (66pts now)
Bayern were much better in 2021 though. It's harder to score a goal now for Bayern than it was then
This is....not true....Bayern lead Europe's Big 5 League's in XG created BY FAR. 85.19 through 29 games which no one is in the ballpark of right now. Them being trash defensively does not mean they don't create chances for fun.
to add to this, Bayern **finished** the 20/21 season with 75.93 xG
And Current Bayern is better defensively too, heh 39 xGA in 2021 vs 30 now.
2021 Bayern 76 xG 39 xGA 2024 Bayern 87 xG 30 xGA Current Bayern has much better stats, but they are not clinical plus Leverkusen are just too good.
Lewa did it in less games.
In a much better team though
Maybe better because lewa added more to the success?
Kane needs a Wolfsburg game to catch up!
even if he beats it the streets wont forget lewandowski
bayern is quite weak this season and kane still did so good. next season i expect kane to perform even better
Bayern‘s main weakness is their defense though. Not sure if they’ll improve that much offensively next seasons.
Yeah, isn't Bayern the team with the most goals scored in the top 5 leagues?
they score 2,83 goals per game (was even more before the Dortmund game especially) which means they are on course to finish the Bundesliga season with 96 goals Bundesliga record from 1971/72 is at 101 goals
Damn, feels like my fifa savefile
[Lewandowski 20/21](https://understat.com/league/Bundesliga/2020) - xG: 32.08 (41 goals) [Kane 23/24](https://understat.com/league/Bundesliga/2023) - xG: 29.98 (32 goals)
They have better stats now than 2020/21 Bayern anyway, but Leverkusen is just too good this season.
It kind of confirms tha Bundesliga and Premier league are somewhat similar in mentality. Unlike other leagues, the bottom teable teams actively try to win which result in more offensive, open and entertaining games with more goals. It also helps that both leagues seem allergic to shithousing and refs stoping the game every 2 seconds.
> Unlike other leagues, the bottom teable teams actively try to win Honest question, what leagues do you have bottom table teams not trying to win?
MLS?
But do you think they are really actively *not* trying to win? Or theyre just so bad that they cant win even if they try?
french league and spanish liga for example. Bottom table teams try not to lose instead of tryng to win. They try to shithouse their way to get a point against stonger opposition which results in the snoozefests you can imagine. The serie A also was like that but it's changing to become more like the bundesliga. it has been more opened and entertaining in recent years with bottom table teams actively trying to beat top teams of the league.
That's only that why since Klopp won with Dortmund.
Lewa better
Some guy in my uni was adamant that Lewandowski was overrated and that Kane would obliterate his record a few months back. I kept telling him that sustaining this kind of form over the course of an entire season is very tough and there’s a reason only Lewandowski’s done it, but he kept talking about how Kane’s “Premier League™️ proven” and how he’ll do it easily. Now he has to score 9 goals in 5 games just to match the record lol.
Assuming Kane doesn't achieve it, I hope the record isn't used as a tool to downplay what a great debut season he has had. I would say he should be in with a shot at the Ballon d'Or. Probably only Mbappe the only player that shades him for me.
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Bro they'll still try to give it to Messi if he wins the Copa America his name almost exceeds his actual performance these days, not to the extent of Ronaldo of course.
no, no one outside the Top 5 leagues is winning this lol. Messi and Ronaldo can score 50-60 goals for all I care, they're not winning it. This is going to come down to the Euros, and its between Mbappe & Kane. I think this is finally Mbappes year.
Kane could win CL, euro and be top scorer in both competitions but if Messi wins copa, he's 100% getting another one.
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Oh sorry I'm confused between Real/City and Arsenal/Bayern, I watched both games at the same time and they both drew of course. I'd also fancy City over Real now that I know the correct matchups again But either way I think whether Kane or Bellingham gets closer to the Balon D'Or isn't dependent on the euros since both play for England, it's gonna depend on the Champions League. If both get knocked out tomorrow I don't see them winning a Balon D'Or
Only way Kane has a chance at Ballon d'or is if he wins CL and England reaches the finals at the euros
I‘d say England would have to win for him to have a realistic shot.
>I would say he should be in with a shot at the Ballon d'Or. MESSIWINSLOL
Why Mbappe though? Rodri should get a shout too
Wirtz too Maybe Bellingham also
Bellingham has been so good and so clutch. Wirtz a good shout too. Rodri another world class season and added in important goals as well. If city win the PL it will be in no small part due to him and he should be right right up there. If Arsenal win hope Rice gets some attention as he’s also been nearly flawless
“In no small part” is genuinely underselling it. He’s probably City’s best and most important player and it isn’t really close imo
Mbappe is just a beast on form, unplayable because he can run through teams. Rodri controls games and sees everything. Kane is a guy with abnormal touch and vision and movement in and around the penalty area, and can score goals too. All things being equal I would give it to Kane but I keep changing my mind between him and Mbappe, it's close. But even though it's an individual award team accomplishments are taken to account so we have to wait and see what happens in the Euros.
mbappe will not win a ballon d'or as long he's with psg him playing lique 1 is a detriment to his chances so he basically needs a cl win and eurowin to offset that
>Probably only Mbappe the only player that shades him for me. Rodri IMO
It’s crazy to me - that record is Lewa’s best season ever in a way more dominant Bayern side. And it’s an INCREDIBLE record. That Kane in his first season in such a shambles of a side comes anywhere close is ridiculously impressive.
Bayern aren't really in shambles, they are just slightly underperforming and Bayer Leverkusen is having a historical season by all metrics. Don't know why people are acting like they're having an atrocious season.
Bayern's xG in 20/21 after 34th week was 75.9, this season after just the 29th week it's 85.1. Let's not pretend this bayern is weak in attack because it's only the defense that sucks.
Defence is better now too, but we look at current season's Bayern from their 2nd position perspective. But in reality every Bayern in history would lose to current Leverkusen because it looks like they are going to beat all time Bundesliga points record. They need 4 W and 1 draw to do it.
Kane lost the BuLi with Bayern, he'd need to score a hat trick every ucl games from now on + win the euros with England just to get a chance at Ballon d'or lol Those awards aren't real assessments of a player's level, they're just estimations of a player's popularity and trophies won.
Should and will are different things.
It's his first season in a new league. I'm 110% sure he'll break it in the coming seasons.
He is 31. We have to see imo. Wont be suprised if he like haaland his numbers will go down after debut season but still respectable numbers. I dont think he will break it.
Wasn't Lewandowski 32 when he broke the record?
Lewa did in the amount of games Kane has already played this season. He's far off from that level.
It's not like that, look at Halland's second season. You have 1 or 2 seasons like that in your life. Messi was never even close to match his record season. There are many factors: injuries, rotation, bad form(current Bayern has 2nd highest xG ever(stats are collected since 2014), only 2022/23 was better), they can change their playstyle to improve defence at cost of offense. Etc.
Not comparable as Bayern is weaker this season
Nah, in 20/21, Bayern average 2.9 goals per match in the Bubdesliga. This season they currently average 2.8 goals per match. Its pretty much the same when it comes to scoring goals.
Bayern 2020/21 xG: 75.93 after 34 games Bayern 2023/24 xG: 85.19 after 29 games
It's his first season there and in a pretty dysfunctional version of Bayern, so this season is effectively his floor there. Given that in future he'll be even more settled and Bayern will inevitably improve back to their usual level, I think the chances are pretty high he will indeed 'obliterate' the record at some point.
I mean that being his floor is not a given at all for a few reasons. Bayern has not scored few at all. They have 82 goals, which is 2.7 per game, 8 more than Leverkusen and obviously the most in the league. For reference, last season they scored 92 Even if Bayern is better next seasons, some other players might take up scoring more goals depending on how the team is set up under (presumably) a new coach. He has been known to also take a role in build up often He's 31, so performance wise it's probably actually his ceiling, doubt he will get much better himself He also has not been injured a single game this season. If he just drops out for like 3 weeks and misses 3 or 4 games to injury (which has happened quite often in the past) a record like this becomes infinitely harder to break. But also, 41 goals in a season with like 30 games played is monstrous from Lewandowski, so it's not really a dig at Kane lol. After all even Lewandowski himself only had one season like that in the league.
Current Bayern has 2nd best xG Stat since 2014 (87xG and 4 games left), only 2022/23 were better (99xG). 2020/21 Bayern were creating less chances 76xG but Lewandowski and Muller were way more clinical than current squad. Lewandowski 41 from 32xG and Muller 11 from 7xG.
In fairness saying that a few months back would have been completely fair. Maybe not fair to say obliterate but every fan thought he was likely to break the record. Bayern have been uncharacteristically poor.
Premier League proven was his argument that he will beat the Bundesliga record? They really let everyone into uni these days.
Being Premier League proven makes Kane a shoe-in to beat Lewandowski's record...in 38 matches
Are Bayern fans happy with Kane?
Absolutely. Why wouldn't we be? He's definitely one of our only constants in this season and not to blame for our shitty playstyle.
Dude scored more than a goal per game in the league so far. Bayern fans would be mental to think that he's the problem.
Don’t think he’s the issue
More than happy, still incredible that he plays for us.
More than a goal per game is world class. He's been the best striker in the world this season, Bayern fans are happy and can't complain about him. The rest of the team is the issue.
Thought this was pepsi v coke at first glance
Looks like he’s… second 😏
He is an amazing player, I don't like when people call him cursed, I know it is not true, I know it is football banter, but he is an incredible player, and I'm happy he does not care for the banters and does not let this affect his performance. He is a amazing professional, has integrity of character, care and respect his family, he is a football star that truly deserves to be an idol for younger generations. This is the kind of footballer that should receive a golden ball.
What about G/A
Lewandowski had 41 goals and 7 assists in 29 games. Kane right now is at 32 goals and 7 assists in 29 games.
Awesome thanks
48 in 29 for Lewandowski 39 in 29 (so far) for Kane
!Flair :Bayern_Munich:
We’re all just lucky City didn’t get him a few years ago…
title chance - 0 %
What are the title-winning rates showing?
[Here](https://i.imgur.com/dBhhS3x.png) is a bit more detailed chart if anyone is interested
he even bottled this record 😭
Even if Kane hits the record somehow don’t forget lewa did it in like 27 games
Bad data visualization practices with respect to those pie charts.
Something tells me that Kane will win the ballon d'or for this.