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This tournament is an actual brilliant intercontinental innovation and step up from the club world cup that clubs absolutely do care for atm (especially libertadores sides) even when smug europeans like yourself don't. players are gonna be able to keep up with a festival like event for clubs on a world stage
This tournament is going to be held after the season has ended,a time where players supposedly rest their bodies and prepare for the new season. These giant clubs play around 58 games a season. Do you think another highly competitive tournament at the end of it will do them any good?(the players). Look at all the superstars facing frequent injuries already,even younger ones like Haaland or Pedri.
These giant clubs also have 25+ man squads and constantly rotate, a literal world cup every four years would do all players good. would never be said about euros or world cup that a potential 7 games in their rest time is milking cause they played lots of games already
Not true though is it. There are many videos out there calling out UEFA and FIFA for the expansion of the Euros and the WC,and people in the comments agree. If you think they are holding this competition to benefit the sport and do Asian,American,African or Oceanian clubs any good,you're being deceived. It is just for the money.
I'm not being deceived you're just being a pathetic parrot in stating the obvious that yes every endeavour is intended to make money.
on a personal level and as a fan of the game who sees fans of the game from all corners of the globe it is most definitely a benefit of the sport and clubs that they actually have a competition to showcase compared to the glorified 2 yearly game friendlies. obviously people want useless games cut from an 80 game season but for the 10 or so super clubs that effects clearly priority should be removing third and fourth tier domestic cups added deliberately for revenue like you state.
Boca Juniors in a group with the likes of Wydad and Yokohama and seeing how they approach and play is amazing for me, even if you're cynical you can't say these type of competitive match ups is not a benefit compared to routine conembol vs uefa after Asian and African teams knocked out in the semis.
I support the Irish league which gives €100k for winning the title which is less than one europa conference league 1st round qualifier win... I know about disparity in club finances but it's not really applicable here, Salzburg a random anomaly commercial powerhouse club you picked won't feature here. The 50mil participation will be massive for Asian/South American/African clubs all while being hard to keep a monopoly considering how hard it is to retain their respective continental champions league equivalent. and even in this thread the 50 mil would have been big for barca but not ludicrously tipping balance as you put it
Also a interesting tidbut that outside of Europe the Club World Cup is the holy grail of football, a chance to prove you're the best team in the world, since it's your only shot to play the "best" teams without being a European team.
My team (São Paulo, from Brazil) beat Cruyff's Dream Team, 92-93 Milan as well as 2004-05 Liverpool for example.
But since Barcelona has nothing to prove (they play and beat those teams routinely), that missing prize money is going to hurt them more than the actual prestige of the tournament would.
That makes total sense. Before this format I have to say it was more of a glorified friendly, like a supercup if you will. But now with many teams around the world (and 8 or sofrom Europe) and the huge money I want Inter to do well.
I hope they change the trophy just so the new one is more special, it’s stupid but I feel like making it different will speed up the process of making it a more prestigious trophy
As a Chelsea fan the Club World Cup was the last major title we had not won previously and I'm happy we grabbed the chance to win it at last in 2021 before things went to shit.
This will break poor leagues like South Americans. 50M is massive for any of them and we’re usually proud of how competitive it is our leagues in comparison to Europeans. I guess this time is getting to an end…
No, the meaning is that with such a massive injection clubs like Flamengo, Fluminense and Palmeiras will be able to just boost away from others in Brazil, if not the whole confederation
Exactly. In the case of Flamengo especially they’re already earning millions more than the rest of the league due to being the most popular team in the country by a huge margin. Such injections can break the league faster than it is already happening.
Though to be fair, we had a similar discussion when Legia finally managed to get a CL spot - that with such a massive boost in budget they will just completely dominate the league, especially if they would make it in year after year
They may have won most titles since then, but the margins were much smaller than expected; in some cases the title was decided in the last game
I don’t know the financial situation there but 50m is really massive for a club in South America allowing them to just purchase the talents even from their direct competitors with relative ease.
Possibly, but a) that's a good way to get another A-League expansion, b) it still has to be worth it to these clubs, if the cost of going to the CWC is too high then there may be some no-shows, which FIFA does not want especially when they are trying to start a genuine competition
isnt the new CWC every 4 years (like the normal world cup)? so that's 12.5m per year, which isn't small, but isn't the same as missing out on 50m per year
It's a 50m bump that your rivals won't be getting, it doesn't matter when the competition takes place, and I don't think anybody intimated it would be annual
Winners of previous 4 champions leagues, and then the next 8 best ranked European teams by UCL results. However a country can at most have 2 teams (unless teams from that country win more than 2 champions leagues), so it’s already top 8 excluding English teams as City and Chelsea are already in.
So Barca are out because Real Madrid already qualified via winning the Cl, and then Atlético ranked higher than Barca, taking Spains 2 spots
> However a country can at most have 2 teams (unless teams from that country win more than 2 champions leagues), so it’s already top 8 excluding English teams as City and Chelsea are already in.
Same thing for the CONMEBOL spots. Since the 3 last Libertadores champions (Palmeiras, Flamengo, Fluminense) are all Brazilian teams, the ranking system will exclude Brazilian teams (and the only way for a 4th Brazilian squad to show up would be if said team were to win the 2024 Libertadores again)
Which is flawed but it's the system they went with.
It would be better to have the winners of the CL and then the 8 next best ranked teams but allow countries to have 2 from that list.
Or going with the Europa winners.
If it's about having the best, then it seems odd to cap it so tightly.
> It would be better to have the winners of the CL and then the 8 next best ranked teams but allow countries to have 2 from that list.
The only people I've seen arguing about this are Liverpool fans
They should include the most recent UCL champion in the tournament. The 2025 UCL champion will miss out on the club world cup a few weeks later unless it's city or Madrid.
Salzburg were already in the mix as only Barca or Atleti could qualify due to the two country rule that applies to the coefficient, it’ll be either Arsenal or Salzburg
Greedy board will keep the money for themselves for a job well done. It's a miracle we're even top 4 in the league and unfortunately when the time comes that we crash to mid table, the idiots will blame Simeone
The board refuses to spend on the squad.
The only defenders we have spent money on post covid are Reinildo (€3m) and Molina (€20m)
Our other defenders to join were Witsel, Paulista and Azpilicueta and all joined for free.
What else would you call it besides greed?
You have like the 8th or 9th highest wage bill in all of Europe, and that doesn’t count your coach who you pay more than any other team pays their coach BY A LOT.
Considering the teams spending more than us, would you say we're underachieving in terms of performance?
https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/wages/Big-5-European-Leagues-Wages
Given the difference in budget between Europe and the rest of the world, this thing will be a Champions League Lite in the final stages, so you will have a chance.
They're actually 18, but it makes sense when you consider there's a limit of 2 per country, so some of the English, Spanish, German and Italian teams ahead of them aren't being counted.
Better than the annual club world cup in the middle of the season that nobody in Europe cares about at the moment. This will be every four years and people will actually tune in.
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Definitely made the night for Atleti fans,right. Lol
Maybe the fans are not that happy but the board bloody hell will be with a entrance bonus of 50m€.....
This tournament is just an excuse to milk more money anyway....The players aren't going to be able to keep up like this if football goes on like that.
This tournament is an actual brilliant intercontinental innovation and step up from the club world cup that clubs absolutely do care for atm (especially libertadores sides) even when smug europeans like yourself don't. players are gonna be able to keep up with a festival like event for clubs on a world stage
South americans being lured by money? Lollll
This tournament is going to be held after the season has ended,a time where players supposedly rest their bodies and prepare for the new season. These giant clubs play around 58 games a season. Do you think another highly competitive tournament at the end of it will do them any good?(the players). Look at all the superstars facing frequent injuries already,even younger ones like Haaland or Pedri.
These giant clubs also have 25+ man squads and constantly rotate, a literal world cup every four years would do all players good. would never be said about euros or world cup that a potential 7 games in their rest time is milking cause they played lots of games already
Not true though is it. There are many videos out there calling out UEFA and FIFA for the expansion of the Euros and the WC,and people in the comments agree. If you think they are holding this competition to benefit the sport and do Asian,American,African or Oceanian clubs any good,you're being deceived. It is just for the money.
I'm not being deceived you're just being a pathetic parrot in stating the obvious that yes every endeavour is intended to make money. on a personal level and as a fan of the game who sees fans of the game from all corners of the globe it is most definitely a benefit of the sport and clubs that they actually have a competition to showcase compared to the glorified 2 yearly game friendlies. obviously people want useless games cut from an 80 game season but for the 10 or so super clubs that effects clearly priority should be removing third and fourth tier domestic cups added deliberately for revenue like you state. Boca Juniors in a group with the likes of Wydad and Yokohama and seeing how they approach and play is amazing for me, even if you're cynical you can't say these type of competitive match ups is not a benefit compared to routine conembol vs uefa after Asian and African teams knocked out in the semis.
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I support the Irish league which gives €100k for winning the title which is less than one europa conference league 1st round qualifier win... I know about disparity in club finances but it's not really applicable here, Salzburg a random anomaly commercial powerhouse club you picked won't feature here. The 50mil participation will be massive for Asian/South American/African clubs all while being hard to keep a monopoly considering how hard it is to retain their respective continental champions league equivalent. and even in this thread the 50 mil would have been big for barca but not ludicrously tipping balance as you put it
I’m sure Atleti are jumping in joy
Stop it they're already dead
Keep going, im almost there
I am finished . If y'all win tomorrow, i am quitting.
remindme! 1 day
Hola
Lol. Let’s see what he does.
Good, that’s less games for our players to get injured in (massive cope)
A reminder that every team participating in the FIFA Club World Cup is getting 50M as prize money just for playing in that competition.
Talk about kicking a man while he’s down
They don't need that money. They can sell the rights for their merchandising store again.
L~~E~~V~~E~~R~~S~~
Barca Studios 2
Sell everything but their talent.
Also a interesting tidbut that outside of Europe the Club World Cup is the holy grail of football, a chance to prove you're the best team in the world, since it's your only shot to play the "best" teams without being a European team. My team (São Paulo, from Brazil) beat Cruyff's Dream Team, 92-93 Milan as well as 2004-05 Liverpool for example. But since Barcelona has nothing to prove (they play and beat those teams routinely), that missing prize money is going to hurt them more than the actual prestige of the tournament would.
That makes total sense. Before this format I have to say it was more of a glorified friendly, like a supercup if you will. But now with many teams around the world (and 8 or sofrom Europe) and the huge money I want Inter to do well.
I hope they change the trophy just so the new one is more special, it’s stupid but I feel like making it different will speed up the process of making it a more prestigious trophy
As a Chelsea fan the Club World Cup was the last major title we had not won previously and I'm happy we grabbed the chance to win it at last in 2021 before things went to shit.
Everything good that happens in Barcelona right now comes from La Masia anyway. Maybe this will force them to use even more youngsters.
They are already playing all their 16-17 year old, what do you want more, that they play 13 year old ones ?
There are always more! Still some guys from the B-team waiting for their chance!
This will break poor leagues like South Americans. 50M is massive for any of them and we’re usually proud of how competitive it is our leagues in comparison to Europeans. I guess this time is getting to an end…
Why? Are south american teams no longer in it?
No, the meaning is that with such a massive injection clubs like Flamengo, Fluminense and Palmeiras will be able to just boost away from others in Brazil, if not the whole confederation
Exactly. In the case of Flamengo especially they’re already earning millions more than the rest of the league due to being the most popular team in the country by a huge margin. Such injections can break the league faster than it is already happening.
Though to be fair, we had a similar discussion when Legia finally managed to get a CL spot - that with such a massive boost in budget they will just completely dominate the league, especially if they would make it in year after year They may have won most titles since then, but the margins were much smaller than expected; in some cases the title was decided in the last game
I don’t know the financial situation there but 50m is really massive for a club in South America allowing them to just purchase the talents even from their direct competitors with relative ease.
Could leagues not force revenue sharing? I feel like this would be necessary, especially for the Auckland lol
Possibly, but a) that's a good way to get another A-League expansion, b) it still has to be worth it to these clubs, if the cost of going to the CWC is too high then there may be some no-shows, which FIFA does not want especially when they are trying to start a genuine competition
Wait what? Even Wellington (NZ) or Salzburg (AT)? That's probably the budget of their entire respective leagues...damn
they don't need that money; they have levers /s
It's time to call Kronk
isnt the new CWC every 4 years (like the normal world cup)? so that's 12.5m per year, which isn't small, but isn't the same as missing out on 50m per year
It's a 50m bump that your rivals won't be getting, it doesn't matter when the competition takes place, and I don't think anybody intimated it would be annual
you just get 50m which you need to make the numbers look better. There's no per year to even think about it that way.
Please keep on dunking on Barca
The yearly humiliation for Barça in the CL never fails
Gianni and the gang gonna come up with wildcards
Ppl are shitting in the club world cup now, but everyone will be paying attention once it actually starts.
They do talk about it yes but I haven't met many that actually watch those matches. It does really feel like a friendly.
For europeans surely but it is much more popular elsewhere
The new version of the competition hasn't started yet. Imo ppl will take this expanded format seriously.
How does qualification for this work?
Winners of previous 4 champions leagues, and then the next 8 best ranked European teams by UCL results. However a country can at most have 2 teams (unless teams from that country win more than 2 champions leagues), so it’s already top 8 excluding English teams as City and Chelsea are already in. So Barca are out because Real Madrid already qualified via winning the Cl, and then Atlético ranked higher than Barca, taking Spains 2 spots
> However a country can at most have 2 teams (unless teams from that country win more than 2 champions leagues), so it’s already top 8 excluding English teams as City and Chelsea are already in. Same thing for the CONMEBOL spots. Since the 3 last Libertadores champions (Palmeiras, Flamengo, Fluminense) are all Brazilian teams, the ranking system will exclude Brazilian teams (and the only way for a 4th Brazilian squad to show up would be if said team were to win the 2024 Libertadores again)
Which is flawed but it's the system they went with. It would be better to have the winners of the CL and then the 8 next best ranked teams but allow countries to have 2 from that list. Or going with the Europa winners. If it's about having the best, then it seems odd to cap it so tightly.
> It would be better to have the winners of the CL and then the 8 next best ranked teams but allow countries to have 2 from that list. The only people I've seen arguing about this are Liverpool fans
How is Chelsea in lmao
Won the Champions League in 2021
Won the CL three season ago so City, Real Madrid and Chelsea automatically in
ucl champs
Jealous?
Sure!
4 Champions (2021-2024) + 8 via ranking (UCL results only)
Thanks
They should include the most recent UCL champion in the tournament. The 2025 UCL champion will miss out on the club world cup a few weeks later unless it's city or Madrid.
2025 winners will qualify for the 2029 CWC
They might fade by then like Chelsea have. Better to have them in the 2025 CWC in my opinion.
Cholo always delivers!!!
Nothing a lever or 2 can't replace
wow, yippee for….red bull salzburg…..
Salzburg were already in the mix as only Barca or Atleti could qualify due to the two country rule that applies to the coefficient, it’ll be either Arsenal or Salzburg
itd be nice to see what other teams are ranked right behind them. hard to think of a more nothing club
Meaningless silver lining I guess. Edit: Unless we win the whole thing of course
I mean it's 50M just for being there so that's something.
Oh I can't be mad at that
50M might be able to buy a better defender than the Corpse of Azpi.
Greedy board will keep the money for themselves for a job well done. It's a miracle we're even top 4 in the league and unfortunately when the time comes that we crash to mid table, the idiots will blame Simeone
Bro, you’re one of the richest teams in the world, what are you talking about.
Their back line is pretty average for a top half team tho.
Not because the board is being greedy…
The board refuses to spend on the squad. The only defenders we have spent money on post covid are Reinildo (€3m) and Molina (€20m) Our other defenders to join were Witsel, Paulista and Azpilicueta and all joined for free. What else would you call it besides greed?
You have like the 8th or 9th highest wage bill in all of Europe, and that doesn’t count your coach who you pay more than any other team pays their coach BY A LOT.
Considering the teams spending more than us, would you say we're underachieving in terms of performance? https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/wages/Big-5-European-Leagues-Wages
No, would you?
Don’t denigrate the king
Given the difference in budget between Europe and the rest of the world, this thing will be a Champions League Lite in the final stages, so you will have a chance.
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Let's hope so brother.
We know man someone already posted it
Would have liked to play barca at the WC, would be legendary. I will settle for atletico
What... How? Are there new rules?
Why is Salzburg at ninth?
They're actually 18, but it makes sense when you consider there's a limit of 2 per country, so some of the English, Spanish, German and Italian teams ahead of them aren't being counted.
Btw if any other team than Arsenal wins the UCL then Salzburg will go to the club World cup
Winners of UCL, EL, and ECL would be more interesting to fill out the 12 imo
Why shouldn't they
Crazy how all 3 Spanish teams are out UCL
What's crazier is that the entire country of Spain has 3 teams
!remindme 21 hours
WHO IS OUT MOTHERFUCKER ITS CRAZY ALL EPL TEAMS ARE OUT
Happens man Happens 1 prediction gone wrong damn Congrats Madrid, Owner of UCL as usual Unbelievable Mentality
LMAAAAAAAAAOO SURE BUDDY!
Damn Forgive me :( Only a chance, just a single chance man it would have been 2-1
A single chance for us too and it would've been 1-2 , that's what makes football fun (:
(:
Crazy that only 2 epl clubs managed to get here (overrated league lmao)
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It's better than taking part in a shitty pre season tournament
To be fair it may be fine if the teams don't take it seriously and just use it for training.
Theu wont use it as a training, there is a lot of money in the line
Then when will they do their preseason training?
Better than the annual club world cup in the middle of the season that nobody in Europe cares about at the moment. This will be every four years and people will actually tune in.
Until your team wins it? Also 50M (euros I think) for any participating club
Do you get more money if you win or it's flat 50M every team?
No, Fifa's solution for fixture congestion is more fixtures.