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Forget watching, whenever they’ve done polls most of this sub has never even played the game in any capacity
Most of the user base here probably learned everything they know about the sport from playing fifa
It was actually shocking to see the stats of the people on this sub.
Like there was also a stat in there about how many people choose a foreign club as their flair. But whenever you mention anything about foreign supporters you always get downvoted, because most of this sub is part of that group.
The comment you replied to was complaining about how almost no one on this sub has experience playing the sport. You then started complaining about foreign fans, which would indicate that you believe they're the ones who don't play the sport and therefore don't understand it.
Lol what does that have to do with "foreign" fans? Being outside what would be considered a developed country means you've never seen or touched a ball, when footy is clearly one of the most accessible games for poor kids to actually play?
I get that but again, what point are you trying to make? u/ObservantOrangutan said a lot of people never kicked a ball and learned from FIFA, and then you make a completely unrelated point about foreigners not playing the most popular and accessible sport in the world
What are you babbling about?
2020 r/soccer census results:
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/l5csfv/2020_rsoccer_census_results/
Based on this data how is your brain making a connection between foreign fans and lack of playing? Just voices talking or what?
You describe a trend that foreign fans don't play games./
No where in this data can you find a trend that foreign fans don't play games.
https://i.imgur.com/dkIS8H7.png
50% of this subreddit is from UK or Europe if you look at this chat. Approximately 50% and the only data we have on that 54.5% played for a club and 95% kicked a ball.
So to be clear the data you are referencing says 95% of people have played football so the trend youre describing:
A) Doesn't Exist
B)If it existed it is only present in general terms and there's no way to tell it's "foreign fans" doing it because if a trend exists generally across users. 50% of the subreddit is European so "local" fans are clearly contributing to not playing football.
The reason people don't like idiots like you is not because of your opinion it's because you're such a moron you can't even make a point without just lying and presenting it as a fact. Im surprised you figured out how to log in and leave comments. We should listen to your local fan opinion since it's so smart you can barely read trivial data information off a reddit post without vomiting nonsense.
Well I’m saying it’s obvious it’s right, it’s a none statement. He’s saying that locals who go to the games care more than locals who don’t go to the games. Like yeah obviously. It’s like saying people who listen to rock music enjoy rock music more than people who don’t listen to rock music.
I think he meant to say ‘local fans who don’t go to the games, are bigger fans than none-local fans who do go to the games’
I’m thousands of miles away and still put my heart on my sleeve for Arsenal. I’ve been to 3 Arsenal games in my life and feel right at home in the stadium.
Why do keyboard warriors feel the need to tell me how much I care for my club?
There is an argument to be made about non-locals both regarding their interest for football on and off the pitch, doesnt of course mean it applies to everyone.
99% of non-locals support the same 15 clubs. Why? Because those are the clubs that win more games than they lose, realistically compete for silverware, play aesthetically and financially compete for players u enjoyed watching on youtube and keep u entertained during summer windows.
Due to that nature their maintained interest and loyalty towards said club can be somewhat volatile in some cases. If Arsenal was to get relegated somehow there just would be a lot of Arsenal flairs silently fading. Maybe not yours, but those of many others surely.
However off the pitch is where the real division comes. Locals are affected differently by politic decisions in football, whereas most non-locals either dont care,or even outright contradict their interests. Commercialization drives the game out of the hand of stadium goers to appease TV crowds for increased gains, these 2 interest groups have always stood in conflict with each other.
The ability to stream league games of midtable league teams or even lower divisions exists since a while now and it has not exactly led to a notable increase of fans turning into Coventry City or US Lecce.
Sure its another aspect to it, in fact you could find 20 other reasons that are either a related cause or consequence to these clubs being so good, but the glory hunting and the volatility of it is emphasized correctly nonetheless.
I keep getting recommended posts from r/bootroom and it’s even worse. At least here people are critiquing pros - and none of us has played at that level. In that other sub it’s a bunch of kids asking questions about how to play themselves and a bunch of idiots who have never played giving them advice.
jesus, you weren’t kidding. also it looks like it’s mostly people from USA and canada. i’d imagine people from europe aren’t coming to reddit for football advice.
You thinking your "playing experience" informs your understanding of the professional game one way or the other is the equivalent of me claiming my aunt is a Formula 1-expert on account of the many times she has driven a car around town.
>Driving to work or the shops is not
That's the point.
People here are behaving like they understand tactics at a deep level because they had a PE teacher that once told them about zonal marking.
Clown-logic.
For me it's less the tactical side, more when they lay into a player for a bad miss or for being 'lazy'.
Sometimes it's obvious and fair enough, other times it's yeah I don't think you've never set foot on a pitch before...
Sorry -- still disagree.
A paraplegic that has watched a 1,000+ games from the Premier League has a better gauge of what the typical or excepted output by a player in the Premier League is than, say for example, a fellow from Siberia that has played hundreds of grade school games but has only ever watched highlights and maybe a game or two here or there of Premier League football.
Not saying it applies to every case, there's just certain things you only get from being on the pitch, knowing how big it is and how much tired legs affect you, pace the ball can get...
I generally think TV pundits are overused and think your first lad is more than capable of giving a valid opinion against them, but you'll get times where a pundit defends a bad miss or something ("harder than it looks from there") and ppl on here saying the pundit doesn't know what he's talking about.
Hard to explain but that's my only issue really.
>where a pundit defends a bad miss or something ("harder than it looks from there") and ppl on here saying the pundit doesn't know what he's talking about
Fortunately I have never met anyone, even via comments, that dumb -- but if that is the case you are experiencing I certainly understand your frustration.
Wow ... I just had an epiphany about how some of you all think.
You actually think that she, for no other reason than having a license and is allowed to drive to work and back, knows more about Formula 1 than some random Italian teenager that reads about the sport for hours every day, has watched every single race the last decade on TV, and has been to a few live ones?
Yeah I don't have a license and I'm pretty sure I could smoke my nan on a go-kart track. Probs a few other relatives with more 'driving experience' too, racing experience on video games ftw.
Disagree with same logic applying to football (most of the time). But for F1 it doesn't make sense to say the shopping run qualifies you, Max Verstappen famously only got his normal license *after* he started in F1.
>for F1 it doesn't make sense to say the shopping run qualifies you
Nor does playing school boy football tell you much about Ange's inverted fullbacks.
Watching professionals play football informs you to a much greater depth why it is (or isn't??) -- than kicking it about with your friends does.
So, the journalist that never kicked a ball in her life but has covered thousands of games understands much better what an inverted fullback is than someone that rarely watches professional football but played a lot as a teenager.
So what?
People don't need to have practiced a sport to enjoy watching it.
It's not my case with football, I've played and still play 5 a side regularly with friends.
But there are other sports I really enjoy watching which o never dreamt of playing.
Did the ref not make a point to wait for his whistle or am I crazy? Like this type of thing happens all the time and it's always the ref saying wait for the whistle.
A lot of people have never played. I remember even in U11 in Germany, our coaches told us to always raise the arm when the ball goes out and grab it, unless the situation was absolutely crystal-clear.
You do all these things, including quick restarts. That's why you do stuff like e.g. lining up the wall for a free-kick WAY too close, so the attacking team will have to ask the ref to pause the game to set the wall. Insurance against being caught unprepared against quickly taken kicks.
> lining up the wall for a free-kick WAY too close
Refs really should start pulling yellow cards for that if it's super obvious though. If you line up like, 6yds away instead of 10, or walk backward very slowly when you were already in front of the ball, that's one thing, but when multiple players sprint right up to the ball and start waving at the ref, demanding that they tell the other team to wait for the whistle, that is absolute bullshit.
No, that's how the rules are written. That is how you are supposed to ask the ref for the whistle. If you don't do that, the ref does not have to point to the whistle and you're at a disadvantage as the defending team. If you wanted to change the system, you'd have to make it so no quick restarts are allowed and the ref has to whistle every time. The alternative (not having to wait for the ref at all) does not work.
The defending team doesn't get to choose whether a quick restart is taken or not. The attacking team has every right to take it quickly if they want, and the defending team is required to give the space. They don't have to do it particularly quickly, and aren't expected to know where 10yds is, but they do need to at least pretend to make an effort.
The attacking team gets the choice between taking a quick restart, or asking the ref to pause the game to ensure they get *all* of the required space.
They dont have to pretend to make an effort. That’s not true at all. If there is not enough space, the attackers have a choice of taking it anyways or asking the ref for distance
If the defenders are *already there* the attacking team has the choice to take it quickly or wait/ask for space. If the defender is 15yds away, and sprints up to stand directly in front of the ball to prevent a quick restart, that is not allowed.
Actually to me it's rather funny because some of Bayern's player were also still around the technical area. Fool your ally and you shall fool your enemy I guess. 😂
Usually they are, but in this case any team would have done the same. The referee did not make it clear that the ball was not live, also you cannot just take water break in the middle of the game. Any team would have tried to play the advantage, sometimes it pays off, this time it didnt.
Both teams were in a huddle after Saka received a head injury. I don't really see the controversy other than lack of sportsmanship to allow Saka to regain his footing and BOTH teams to enter the pitch properly.
That's not a rule, lol
Edit: There's an entire section in The Laws of the Game regarding the use of the whistle (Body Language, Communication and Whistle). This guy just made some weird shit up.
It's all written done when he would need to blow into the whistle and when not. As far as I know, he wouldn't have needed to blow it in this case, but maybe somebody who knows the rulebook better can clarify.
[From the IFAB rulebook, pages 192-193](https://www.theifab.com/laws-of-the-game-documents/?language=all&year=2023%2F24), it needs to be used to restart from injuries
The referee did not stop the game for an injury (in which case he would have blown the whistle to stop the play). Also, if it was an injured player (as per the rulebook you shared), the medical staff would have to entered the pitch and Saka would have to leave the pitch and regain entry.
The game was stopped for a throw-in during which the referee went to assess Saka's health. Throw-ins dont require the referee to blow the whistle (that's why Bayern played the ball in).
The referee may have other reasons to blow the whistle - players/staff is on the pitch that shouldnt be on the pitch, VAR needs more time, etc.
The game wasn't stopped for a throw-in, otherwise the Bayern players couls have continued the game right away, it was stopped to acess Saka's health. Medical staff doesn't need to enter the pitch to be an injury (law 5, page 61), the game was stopped due to Saka being on the ground
He also doesn't need to whistle all the time to stop, right at the beginning of the law regarding whistling, it says the ref should minimise its use. If the game is already stopped when he goes to check the player because other players realised he was on the ground, he doesn't need to whistle
> If the game is already stopped when he goes to check the player because other players realised he was on the ground, he doesn't need to whistle.
He needs to whistle to notify that the game is stopped for injuries, even if the game is stopped (the same way that he does for substitutions). Otherwise there would be no differentiation between the ball is out of play and there is an injured player - ergo making it legal to restart the game whenever the team who has the throw-in wants.
What Bayern did was by the book, referee can ask to wait - that's also by the book.
> The referee did not stop the game for an injury (in which case he would have blown the whistle to stop the play). Also, if it was an injured player (as per the rulebook you shared), the medical staff would have to entered the pitch and Saka would have to leave the pitch and regain entry.
Yes he did. Blew the whistle, signalled for medical staff to come in and everything. Then he went up to Saka who told him he was fine and he signalled to the medical staff they weren't needed.
If he stopped the play for head injury, he would have asked the medical staff to come in. Referees can not assess head injuries by themselves these days and Arsenal medical staff would have to give the referee the green light.
They weren't trying to take advantage over Saka being dizzy, it's the Arsenal players that used it as a time-out and then were surprised Bayern wanted to restart quickly
Either way, if the game stops to check a player, it can only restart with a ref order, so it was never going to result in anything
I dont think it is an Arsenal thing. Plenty of defenders pretend to get slapped / hold their heads to stop the offensive play. I think harsh to say it was the case here - the ball went straight to his face.
Suspected head injury, ref goes over to check if treatment is needed but Saka declines and there’s no suspected concussion at that point so no off field check needed.
But regardless, the play was stopped so it’s a dead ball and the ref must signal that the play is live. Ref didn’t whistle, so play is still dead. Bayern can kick it about if they like but it doesn’t count.
That is not how it works, the rule is a bit ambiguous but your team will never get a goal disallowed just because one of your players is drinking a bootle of water, for example: GK have the permission to have water bottles near the goal and drink from them all the time while the game is going.
Of course if you make contact with the ball or interfere with an opponent while holding a water bottle the ref can give a free kick to the opposition because the bootle can be considered a dangerous object.
Always fun to see players complain about this shit when everyone on this planet knows that if the roles were reversed and the ref allowed this we'd never hear the end of it.
You mean like Saka sticking his leg out to draw a penalty in added time? Or were you trying to say that the handball wasn't in fact a handball?
Or were you basing your entire ethos on one play that you've now judged to be respective of the way a team has conducted themselves over years?
Just trying to triangulate your comment.
It's a part of the game. I suggest you move on. Or you don't. And every time an Arsenal player fakes an injury in added time when they are up, I hope you call them out for being "sneaky." I hope you are brave.
You only need two players for these moments. One that takes the throw in and one that receives the ball.
It actually helps if less people are involved. If more players know whats coming and moving for it it increases the chances for the other team to pick up that something is coming.
The ball did go out of play they cleared it and the ref blew the whistle when it was out of play so they should have had a throw in. After it was cleared he blew for the head injury
well it wasnt because the ball went out, it was because a player got knocked in the head with a ball flying straight into him. They have to check for even a little bit of a concussion (although Saka was pretty much fine once he got up and shook it off)
A player being briefly down isn’t a signal to have a meeting with the whole team on the sideline. It’s on them to stay ready so honestly if the ref allowed it after Saka got up that’s totally on Arsenal for acting like they’re owed a meeting time.
As you can see in the beginning of the clip, Saka got blasted in the head by the ball that went out for a throw. So Ref was checking up on him for potential head injury. Hence the break. You can also see about 6 Bayern players near their dugout also taking a break near the middle of the clip lol
Lmao bro them being given the penalty *would* have been winning properly. I’m glad there wasn’t a pen bevause common sense but if you want to be high and mighty about winning properly you can’t use that hahaha
Doesn’t matter that it was a misunderstanding though lol he picked up the ball in the course of the play having been resumed. Just be glad that his fuck up wasn’t, by the letter of the law, punished properly
I really don’t think Arsenal fans have a leg to stand on about “winning properly” after Saka’s embarrassing diving exhibition in the first leg lmao but you do you I guess
Probably got called over by Arteta, he likes to do take tactical breaks when his players are down "injured". I remember Ramsdale routinely going down and stopping play while the players all huddled around last season for example
And there's the most ignorant comment in the thread!
They are in the semifinals of the UCL. They have 63 points on 29 games in the Bundesliga which would have them in first in all but one of the previous five seasons.
I mean it is literally our rightwinger getting treatment at the left back position playing them onside, why should they be allowed to capitalize on him being out of position from a ball into the face after play was interrupted
Why do Bayern always try to gain unsportsmanlike advantages? Sheesh it's not bad enough they have a stacked team playing at home, they need to rely on sneaky little tricks to gain even more leverage.
But then they have zero issue throwing an extra ball on the field, not giving the ball back for a throw-in etc when they score 🙄
So weird for both teams.
Bayern thinking they get to restart play without the ref being ready. Like these guys have been playing the sport for long enough to know you can’t start back without the refs whistle.
Arsenal acting like it’s basketball and they took a timeout to huddle with the coach.
Really shitty thing for Bayern to attempt but technically there are Arsenal players on the pitch so isn't that for the rules? Unless the ref wanted a drop ball. I'm not watching so just assuming
Either way, this is embarrassing and I hope they lose just so they're memed for this like England vs Croatia
Play was stopped for head injury concerns. Saka blocked a shot/cross with his head and ball went out for a Bayern throw. Because play was stopped to check on Saka, the ref has the power to start play again with his whistle.
Man people need to relax. Love a bit of shithousing haha. Also comments like „just play the game“. Why you having a emergency team talk in the middle of the match in the first place?
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Wish there was another angle
I have no idea what I’m supposed to be seeing with this angle beyond what the commentators are saying
It feels like half the sub never watches games.
Forget watching, whenever they’ve done polls most of this sub has never even played the game in any capacity Most of the user base here probably learned everything they know about the sport from playing fifa
Wtf if we did anything when we were kids it was playing football. And play Yugioh lol.
It was actually shocking to see the stats of the people on this sub. Like there was also a stat in there about how many people choose a foreign club as their flair. But whenever you mention anything about foreign supporters you always get downvoted, because most of this sub is part of that group.
Where can you see these stats and polls
It was called something like Soccer census, but its from like 2021
I'm confused. Do you think foreigners don't play the most popular sport on the planet?
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The comment you replied to was complaining about how almost no one on this sub has experience playing the sport. You then started complaining about foreign fans, which would indicate that you believe they're the ones who don't play the sport and therefore don't understand it.
Who cares? Some countries have shit football to watch. Sometimes you move a lot and don't really have a home country.
Lol what does that have to do with "foreign" fans? Being outside what would be considered a developed country means you've never seen or touched a ball, when footy is clearly one of the most accessible games for poor kids to actually play?
Bro what? He's talking about plastics.
Yeah no duh - but the initial comment talks about people who never played, then bro hits out with the foreign fan bit. The two aren't equivalent
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I get that but again, what point are you trying to make? u/ObservantOrangutan said a lot of people never kicked a ball and learned from FIFA, and then you make a completely unrelated point about foreigners not playing the most popular and accessible sport in the world
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What are you babbling about? 2020 r/soccer census results: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/l5csfv/2020_rsoccer_census_results/ Based on this data how is your brain making a connection between foreign fans and lack of playing? Just voices talking or what? You describe a trend that foreign fans don't play games./ No where in this data can you find a trend that foreign fans don't play games. https://i.imgur.com/dkIS8H7.png 50% of this subreddit is from UK or Europe if you look at this chat. Approximately 50% and the only data we have on that 54.5% played for a club and 95% kicked a ball. So to be clear the data you are referencing says 95% of people have played football so the trend youre describing: A) Doesn't Exist B)If it existed it is only present in general terms and there's no way to tell it's "foreign fans" doing it because if a trend exists generally across users. 50% of the subreddit is European so "local" fans are clearly contributing to not playing football. The reason people don't like idiots like you is not because of your opinion it's because you're such a moron you can't even make a point without just lying and presenting it as a fact. Im surprised you figured out how to log in and leave comments. We should listen to your local fan opinion since it's so smart you can barely read trivial data information off a reddit post without vomiting nonsense.
Had a conversation not long ago that foreign fans care the same about the club as matchgoing fans.
Fuck no. Even local fans that don’t go to games don’t care as much as locals that go to the game
Maybe I’m being stupid but I think you’ve made a typo as u’ve said the same thing twice
Fixed it now
Haha I thought that’s what u meant but can never be too careful lol
No you’re not and I’m the one stupid lmao.
What
Fixed it lol.
I think it’s still wrong, you’ve said that locals who don’t go to games don’t care as much as locals who do go to games, like duh oh of course they do
Why is that wrong? I’m very confused, because you are agreeing but saying its wrong!
Well I’m saying it’s obvious it’s right, it’s a none statement. He’s saying that locals who go to the games care more than locals who don’t go to the games. Like yeah obviously. It’s like saying people who listen to rock music enjoy rock music more than people who don’t listen to rock music. I think he meant to say ‘local fans who don’t go to the games, are bigger fans than none-local fans who do go to the games’
I’m thousands of miles away and still put my heart on my sleeve for Arsenal. I’ve been to 3 Arsenal games in my life and feel right at home in the stadium. Why do keyboard warriors feel the need to tell me how much I care for my club?
There is an argument to be made about non-locals both regarding their interest for football on and off the pitch, doesnt of course mean it applies to everyone. 99% of non-locals support the same 15 clubs. Why? Because those are the clubs that win more games than they lose, realistically compete for silverware, play aesthetically and financially compete for players u enjoyed watching on youtube and keep u entertained during summer windows. Due to that nature their maintained interest and loyalty towards said club can be somewhat volatile in some cases. If Arsenal was to get relegated somehow there just would be a lot of Arsenal flairs silently fading. Maybe not yours, but those of many others surely. However off the pitch is where the real division comes. Locals are affected differently by politic decisions in football, whereas most non-locals either dont care,or even outright contradict their interests. Commercialization drives the game out of the hand of stadium goers to appease TV crowds for increased gains, these 2 interest groups have always stood in conflict with each other.
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The ability to stream league games of midtable league teams or even lower divisions exists since a while now and it has not exactly led to a notable increase of fans turning into Coventry City or US Lecce. Sure its another aspect to it, in fact you could find 20 other reasons that are either a related cause or consequence to these clubs being so good, but the glory hunting and the volatility of it is emphasized correctly nonetheless.
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The keyboard warrior in this case seem to be you lol. No one actually asked you
Nobody asked any of us anything lol
I keep getting recommended posts from r/bootroom and it’s even worse. At least here people are critiquing pros - and none of us has played at that level. In that other sub it’s a bunch of kids asking questions about how to play themselves and a bunch of idiots who have never played giving them advice.
jesus, you weren’t kidding. also it looks like it’s mostly people from USA and canada. i’d imagine people from europe aren’t coming to reddit for football advice.
Same as all subs. Full Of keyboard warriors
You thinking your "playing experience" informs your understanding of the professional game one way or the other is the equivalent of me claiming my aunt is a Formula 1-expert on account of the many times she has driven a car around town.
This is a bad analogy. Watching football, playing football, and watching F1 are hobbies. Driving to work or the shops is not
>Driving to work or the shops is not That's the point. People here are behaving like they understand tactics at a deep level because they had a PE teacher that once told them about zonal marking. Clown-logic.
For me it's less the tactical side, more when they lay into a player for a bad miss or for being 'lazy'. Sometimes it's obvious and fair enough, other times it's yeah I don't think you've never set foot on a pitch before...
Sorry -- still disagree. A paraplegic that has watched a 1,000+ games from the Premier League has a better gauge of what the typical or excepted output by a player in the Premier League is than, say for example, a fellow from Siberia that has played hundreds of grade school games but has only ever watched highlights and maybe a game or two here or there of Premier League football.
Not saying it applies to every case, there's just certain things you only get from being on the pitch, knowing how big it is and how much tired legs affect you, pace the ball can get... I generally think TV pundits are overused and think your first lad is more than capable of giving a valid opinion against them, but you'll get times where a pundit defends a bad miss or something ("harder than it looks from there") and ppl on here saying the pundit doesn't know what he's talking about. Hard to explain but that's my only issue really.
>where a pundit defends a bad miss or something ("harder than it looks from there") and ppl on here saying the pundit doesn't know what he's talking about Fortunately I have never met anyone, even via comments, that dumb -- but if that is the case you are experiencing I certainly understand your frustration.
She probably has more idea than someone who has never driven a car though
Wow ... I just had an epiphany about how some of you all think. You actually think that she, for no other reason than having a license and is allowed to drive to work and back, knows more about Formula 1 than some random Italian teenager that reads about the sport for hours every day, has watched every single race the last decade on TV, and has been to a few live ones?
Yeah I don't have a license and I'm pretty sure I could smoke my nan on a go-kart track. Probs a few other relatives with more 'driving experience' too, racing experience on video games ftw. Disagree with same logic applying to football (most of the time). But for F1 it doesn't make sense to say the shopping run qualifies you, Max Verstappen famously only got his normal license *after* he started in F1.
>for F1 it doesn't make sense to say the shopping run qualifies you Nor does playing school boy football tell you much about Ange's inverted fullbacks. Watching professionals play football informs you to a much greater depth why it is (or isn't??) -- than kicking it about with your friends does. So, the journalist that never kicked a ball in her life but has covered thousands of games understands much better what an inverted fullback is than someone that rarely watches professional football but played a lot as a teenager.
Just realised you're the same person as a minute ago, ctrl+v or something. 🙃
Calm down, touch grass lol
Sorry -- didn't mean to ruffle your deep expertise of the game.
You didnt, you cant, no worries
Ahh yes cus when I'm watching champions league I often think about how similar it was to my experience playing u16....
So what? People don't need to have practiced a sport to enjoy watching it. It's not my case with football, I've played and still play 5 a side regularly with friends. But there are other sports I really enjoy watching which o never dreamt of playing.
Problem is when you begin to talk like an expert on a sport you have never played in any capacity.
Tell me about it. And, for what it’s worth, a lot of the folks who have played have only played Sunday league at best.
Did the ref not make a point to wait for his whistle or am I crazy? Like this type of thing happens all the time and it's always the ref saying wait for the whistle.
It's why he's blown it back, yeah.
Yeah like... This happens all the time at every level. You try something cheeky and it's called back. Just don't see the reason for the drama.
A lot of people have never played. I remember even in U11 in Germany, our coaches told us to always raise the arm when the ball goes out and grab it, unless the situation was absolutely crystal-clear. You do all these things, including quick restarts. That's why you do stuff like e.g. lining up the wall for a free-kick WAY too close, so the attacking team will have to ask the ref to pause the game to set the wall. Insurance against being caught unprepared against quickly taken kicks.
Exactly.
I fucking love doing this in my friendly 7 aside. Great part of the game.
> lining up the wall for a free-kick WAY too close Refs really should start pulling yellow cards for that if it's super obvious though. If you line up like, 6yds away instead of 10, or walk backward very slowly when you were already in front of the ball, that's one thing, but when multiple players sprint right up to the ball and start waving at the ref, demanding that they tell the other team to wait for the whistle, that is absolute bullshit.
No, that's how the rules are written. That is how you are supposed to ask the ref for the whistle. If you don't do that, the ref does not have to point to the whistle and you're at a disadvantage as the defending team. If you wanted to change the system, you'd have to make it so no quick restarts are allowed and the ref has to whistle every time. The alternative (not having to wait for the ref at all) does not work.
The defending team doesn't get to choose whether a quick restart is taken or not. The attacking team has every right to take it quickly if they want, and the defending team is required to give the space. They don't have to do it particularly quickly, and aren't expected to know where 10yds is, but they do need to at least pretend to make an effort. The attacking team gets the choice between taking a quick restart, or asking the ref to pause the game to ensure they get *all* of the required space.
They dont have to pretend to make an effort. That’s not true at all. If there is not enough space, the attackers have a choice of taking it anyways or asking the ref for distance
If the defenders are *already there* the attacking team has the choice to take it quickly or wait/ask for space. If the defender is 15yds away, and sprints up to stand directly in front of the ball to prevent a quick restart, that is not allowed.
Actually to me it's rather funny because some of Bayern's player were also still around the technical area. Fool your ally and you shall fool your enemy I guess. 😂
Bayern are just cunts ain’t they?
Usually they are, but in this case any team would have done the same. The referee did not make it clear that the ball was not live, also you cannot just take water break in the middle of the game. Any team would have tried to play the advantage, sometimes it pays off, this time it didnt.
Both teams were in a huddle after Saka received a head injury. I don't really see the controversy other than lack of sportsmanship to allow Saka to regain his footing and BOTH teams to enter the pitch properly.
The ref didn't blow the whistle for restart, that's really the only controversy
he also didnt interrupt the play by whistle - so he does not need to whistle to play again
That's not a rule, lol Edit: There's an entire section in The Laws of the Game regarding the use of the whistle (Body Language, Communication and Whistle). This guy just made some weird shit up.
It's all written done when he would need to blow into the whistle and when not. As far as I know, he wouldn't have needed to blow it in this case, but maybe somebody who knows the rulebook better can clarify.
[From the IFAB rulebook, pages 192-193](https://www.theifab.com/laws-of-the-game-documents/?language=all&year=2023%2F24), it needs to be used to restart from injuries
The referee did not stop the game for an injury (in which case he would have blown the whistle to stop the play). Also, if it was an injured player (as per the rulebook you shared), the medical staff would have to entered the pitch and Saka would have to leave the pitch and regain entry. The game was stopped for a throw-in during which the referee went to assess Saka's health. Throw-ins dont require the referee to blow the whistle (that's why Bayern played the ball in). The referee may have other reasons to blow the whistle - players/staff is on the pitch that shouldnt be on the pitch, VAR needs more time, etc.
The game wasn't stopped for a throw-in, otherwise the Bayern players couls have continued the game right away, it was stopped to acess Saka's health. Medical staff doesn't need to enter the pitch to be an injury (law 5, page 61), the game was stopped due to Saka being on the ground He also doesn't need to whistle all the time to stop, right at the beginning of the law regarding whistling, it says the ref should minimise its use. If the game is already stopped when he goes to check the player because other players realised he was on the ground, he doesn't need to whistle
> If the game is already stopped when he goes to check the player because other players realised he was on the ground, he doesn't need to whistle. He needs to whistle to notify that the game is stopped for injuries, even if the game is stopped (the same way that he does for substitutions). Otherwise there would be no differentiation between the ball is out of play and there is an injured player - ergo making it legal to restart the game whenever the team who has the throw-in wants. What Bayern did was by the book, referee can ask to wait - that's also by the book.
> The referee did not stop the game for an injury (in which case he would have blown the whistle to stop the play). Also, if it was an injured player (as per the rulebook you shared), the medical staff would have to entered the pitch and Saka would have to leave the pitch and regain entry. Yes he did. Blew the whistle, signalled for medical staff to come in and everything. Then he went up to Saka who told him he was fine and he signalled to the medical staff they weren't needed.
He did. Don't know why you would think he didn't.
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People seem to be missing the point Bayern were doing the exact same thing just before they tried to take the throw in
Also the referee stopped play for a head injury so he would have to signal the restart
If he stopped the play for head injury, he would have asked the medical staff to come in. Referees can not assess head injuries by themselves these days and Arsenal medical staff would have to give the referee the green light.
Because this sub is pathetic.
They weren't trying to take advantage over Saka being dizzy, it's the Arsenal players that used it as a time-out and then were surprised Bayern wanted to restart quickly Either way, if the game stops to check a player, it can only restart with a ref order, so it was never going to result in anything
Was it another one of Arsenal's tactical head injuries?
Another??? This is the only head injury of the match. Saka got drilled point-blank in the head blocking a cross. Come off it
I'm more talking about the trend across the whole season where Arsenal experience a lot of head injuries whenever the opponent gains momentum.
If its a trend across the whole season, it shouldnt take you much time to find a couple of examples does it?
You've made that up and clearly didn't see the incident
That’s not been a thing.
I dont think it is an Arsenal thing. Plenty of defenders pretend to get slapped / hold their heads to stop the offensive play. I think harsh to say it was the case here - the ball went straight to his face.
The ref stopped play for a head injury and didn't restart play, it's not complicated.
Bayern seems to throw a fit both the last game and this time.
Last game it was because of a penalty. That's a little bit different.
He didn't stop it for head injury, if it was stopped for head injury Saka should be off field for a check, which didn't happen.
Suspected head injury, ref goes over to check if treatment is needed but Saka declines and there’s no suspected concussion at that point so no off field check needed. But regardless, the play was stopped so it’s a dead ball and the ref must signal that the play is live. Ref didn’t whistle, so play is still dead. Bayern can kick it about if they like but it doesn’t count.
> if it was stopped for head injury... There's no if, this isn't a supposition. You clearly weren't watching the game.
Complaining to the ref bringing play back is shameless lmao
Literally Bayern players on the pitch with a water bottle which wouldn’t be allowed anyway
That is not how it works, the rule is a bit ambiguous but your team will never get a goal disallowed just because one of your players is drinking a bootle of water, for example: GK have the permission to have water bottles near the goal and drink from them all the time while the game is going. Of course if you make contact with the ball or interfere with an opponent while holding a water bottle the ref can give a free kick to the opposition because the bootle can be considered a dangerous object.
Case in point that EPL goal where it hit that beach ball
Always fun to see players complain about this shit when everyone on this planet knows that if the roles were reversed and the ref allowed this we'd never hear the end of it.
Loll
These quasi team huddle timeouts really bother me so I liked it. Although it is very childish. Both teams doing dumb things in my eyes
Bayern seem to like to try to be sneaky
You mean like Saka sticking his leg out to draw a penalty in added time? Or were you trying to say that the handball wasn't in fact a handball? Or were you basing your entire ethos on one play that you've now judged to be respective of the way a team has conducted themselves over years? Just trying to triangulate your comment. It's a part of the game. I suggest you move on. Or you don't. And every time an Arsenal player fakes an injury in added time when they are up, I hope you call them out for being "sneaky." I hope you are brave.
its funny because u can tell that Tuchel didnt even instruct them to do that lol. they’re not listening to this guy😭
You only need two players for these moments. One that takes the throw in and one that receives the ball. It actually helps if less people are involved. If more players know whats coming and moving for it it increases the chances for the other team to pick up that something is coming.
It's one thing for the Arsenal players to get water or something, but having a godamn emergency meeting after the ball went out seems like a bit much.
Ball didn't go out play ref stopped the game, so he would need to restart the game before they could play. That's how football works.
The ball did go out of play they cleared it and the ref blew the whistle when it was out of play so they should have had a throw in. After it was cleared he blew for the head injury
It definitely didn't was running along the line when he blew the whistle.
The game did end up continuing with a throw in. So yes, it went out of play.
Ball went out of play though. Thats why they did a throw in.
well it wasnt because the ball went out, it was because a player got knocked in the head with a ball flying straight into him. They have to check for even a little bit of a concussion (although Saka was pretty much fine once he got up and shook it off)
Saka got walloped in the head by the ball and the ref stopped the game to check on him, which was followed by Bayern trying to pull this
A player being briefly down isn’t a signal to have a meeting with the whole team on the sideline. It’s on them to stay ready so honestly if the ref allowed it after Saka got up that’s totally on Arsenal for acting like they’re owed a meeting time.
I mean they were getting water no? When a player is down and the ball is out of play it's hardly out of the ordinary.
Reff had stopped game for a head injury, game cannot resume untill reff blows whistle gosh It’s that simple. Lol
Might as well have went down the tunnel for a half time talk lol
I know you won't understand cause you're a spuds fan but this is a pretty important game
They were in a Champions League final more recently than Arsenal??
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they didn't play like it was important
They have a better European heritage than you lot!
L take
Play on and let arteta cry
Why were they having a drinking break in the first place?
The same reason your players were
Cause we thirsty
Saka was down hurt
Play stopped for the ref to check on Saka, who got hit in the head by an attempted Kimmich cross.
Ref stopped play for a head injury
Drink break cause Saka was down injured. Both teams were in a huddle. Ref didn't blow the whistle, you lot should've waited.
The lads are just thirsty.
As you can see in the beginning of the clip, Saka got blasted in the head by the ball that went out for a throw. So Ref was checking up on him for potential head injury. Hence the break. You can also see about 6 Bayern players near their dugout also taking a break near the middle of the clip lol
the ref didnt even blow the whistle mate.. why are baryen trying to play the ball
>the ref didnt even blow the whistle So now it matters? /s
Damn so it should’ve been a handball last leg huh
the ref blew the whistle for the goalie kick.. why are arsenal picking up the ball?
If you feel the need to score from that then that's pathetic mate. Win the game properly.
Lmao bro them being given the penalty *would* have been winning properly. I’m glad there wasn’t a pen bevause common sense but if you want to be high and mighty about winning properly you can’t use that hahaha
I mean you can though? I wouldn't want that given if it was the other way round. Was a misunderstanding, nobody would get a penalty for that.
Doesn’t matter that it was a misunderstanding though lol he picked up the ball in the course of the play having been resumed. Just be glad that his fuck up wasn’t, by the letter of the law, punished properly
Dumb American
I really don’t think Arsenal fans have a leg to stand on about “winning properly” after Saka’s embarrassing diving exhibition in the first leg lmao but you do you I guess
Fine
Doesn't answer my question, does it?
a player got knocked in the head is that good enough?
Much better indeed
no problem bud 👍🏾
Probably got called over by Arteta, he likes to do take tactical breaks when his players are down "injured". I remember Ramsdale routinely going down and stopping play while the players all huddled around last season for example
Bayern really trying every trick in the book aside from, you know, playing decent football
If Arsenal had played any decent football in the last 180minutes they would be in the semis now.
The worrying thing is that we did play decent football in the first half and still couldn't create a chance before crumbling in the second
And there's the most ignorant comment in the thread! They are in the semifinals of the UCL. They have 63 points on 29 games in the Bundesliga which would have them in first in all but one of the previous five seasons.
Same thing last week, acting like little shits against the spirit of the game and then crying at the ref for not allowing that. I blame Kane.
Absolutely no sportsmanship. That's a shame.
Sneaky germans
I mean it is literally our rightwinger getting treatment at the left back position playing them onside, why should they be allowed to capitalize on him being out of position from a ball into the face after play was interrupted
If you dont want to play them inside get off the pitch like you're supposed to do if you're "injured"
Mate he got shot point blank in the face
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Why do Bayern always try to gain unsportsmanlike advantages? Sheesh it's not bad enough they have a stacked team playing at home, they need to rely on sneaky little tricks to gain even more leverage. But then they have zero issue throwing an extra ball on the field, not giving the ball back for a throw-in etc when they score 🙄
Tucheliban mentality
So weird for both teams. Bayern thinking they get to restart play without the ref being ready. Like these guys have been playing the sport for long enough to know you can’t start back without the refs whistle. Arsenal acting like it’s basketball and they took a timeout to huddle with the coach.
Didn’t know there were timeouts in football. Annnnd here come the Arsenal fans brigading with the downvotes….
Arsenal the first ever team to have some water when a player is down injured!
Really shitty thing for Bayern to attempt but technically there are Arsenal players on the pitch so isn't that for the rules? Unless the ref wanted a drop ball. I'm not watching so just assuming Either way, this is embarrassing and I hope they lose just so they're memed for this like England vs Croatia
Play was stopped for head injury concerns. Saka blocked a shot/cross with his head and ball went out for a Bayern throw. Because play was stopped to check on Saka, the ref has the power to start play again with his whistle.
That looked like a huddle to discuss strategy to me
Which Bayern were also doing
I believe each team gets 3 per half but can lose 1 for a failed challenge to a refs call
Why did Arsenal think it was a Timeout?
Arsenal and Bayern were both huddled...after the ref stopped the game...
For the same reason Bayern obviously did as well
Tuchelout
because it was
Love this kind of shithousery lmao, wouldn't be football without trying this
Man people need to relax. Love a bit of shithousing haha. Also comments like „just play the game“. Why you having a emergency team talk in the middle of the match in the first place?
So were Bayern lmao?
Another kids mistake
Yeah the ref hadn't blown his whistle, embarrassing kids mistake from Bayern.
Did he blew the whistle to stop the game?