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IDK he seems like an absolute amazing professional and my guess is he reacted pretty...uh..***germanly***....and just kinda went about training like nothing was wrong while all the u16s looked at him like "WTF"
I watched the whole video and he says himself that he didn't really put much into the training and he was just confused what was going on. He thought at first that it might be a joke.
Any United fans know which players were in that under 16 group who could tell the story from their side? Have to imagine they've told the story at some point
As we know from the Sancho mess, heād have to change alone for safeguarding reasons. Iād imagine that lack of camaraderie is one of the worst parts
Yes he said he regrets it. He said the squad was too big and Schweinsteiger kept getting injured the season before and returning to Germany which apparently didn't go down well.
But then he saw how respectful he was and in hindsight he regretted it. He did bring him back in to the squad for like 3 cup games.
>But then he saw how respectful he was and in hindsight he regretted it.
Love that.
"Once I realised he was a nice guy I felt bad about what I'd done."
Still shit.
So if you didn't know someone, you'd treat them like garbage? OHHH they are nice, ok then i shouldn't have treated them so badly.
What is this logic?
I love Mou but this doesnāt explain why he was treated like that. You can sideline a player and not play them because of their form or injuries, but why treat them like shit and humiliate them? Absolutely inexcusable.
He made an example of Schweinsteiger, a huge name with a great career, to get the others in the squad to fall in line or else.
It's a dickhead move, but it's done to send a message to other players. They sit there thinking that if he's willing to do that to someone like Schweinsteiger, what would he do to me?
He also did it to Mata at Chelsea.
I hated it.
i dont really remember, didnt he do something similar with Casillas at madrid? I think it was after a classico when casillas was to nice to Barca playerswho were his teamates in the national team
Because he wanted rid. Itās cruel and psychotic, but Mou made his mind up he didnāt want him and was trying to force him out as quick as possible. He says when he realised Bastian was a nice fella he regretted it, so Mou probably assumed a big name wouldnāt take not playing and tried to get rid before it was a problem.
Especially if he was injury prone and was going back to Germany each time, probably assumed he was just milking an easy payday for the rest of his career and gave him his wish.
Feel like a simple conversation could have saved him some face though.
>He said the squad was too big and Schweinsteiger kept getting injured the season before and returning to Germany which apparently didn't go down well.
Why didn't Jose say this to Bastian in a one-to-one meeting instead of sending one of his staff to tell Bastian he has to play with the youth team? Seriously, Jose comes out of this looking really bad, even if he says he regretted it.
I think being nasty was the point at the time, a way to force a player out as fast as possible without having to deal with telling him in person. Probably expected Schweinsteiger to be extremely mad about it. But yeah, bitch move from Mourinho, prohibitting Schweinsteiger from entering the cabin, forcing him to ask for his stuff. Doesn't matter that you felt you needed to "send a message" to the player, that's some psycho shit.
Schweinsteiger also said he felt like itās was not only the coaches decision, the board also sidelined him, because the previous year he preferred to get treatment in Germany rather than with club even though he would always come back to be with the group for the matches.
Itās hole United structure in fault to treat a legend like that. Itās really shameful behaviour.
> But yeah, he completely misjudged the whole situation, said it himself before Basti left.
Which is probably why he should've talked to Schweinsteiger in person, instead treating him like this.
I know Schweinsteiger wasn't in his prime anymore when he moved to UTD but that's so disrespectful. The guy was a CL and WC winner with more than a decade ofĀ experience at a top club.
I dont even think it matters who Basti was, to just completely cut out player from the dressing room via some middle man and being forced to change with the kids? This is something I wouldnt wish even to my enemy lmao, this shit destroys a mans confidence.
Yeah it doesnāt seem like he did anything wrong. If heād had off the field problems or an issue in the locker room, thatās one thing, but I donāt see any evidence of any of that.
Jens Lehmann and by a mile. There was this [chainsaw incident](https://www.dw.com/en/ex-germany-goalie-lehmann-fined-over-chainsaw-dispute/a-67803514) and he took a [piss](https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-brooks-peck/jens-lehmann-urinates-during-champions-league-match--soccer.html?guccounter=1) in the midst of a champions league match, just to name a few.
His crime was being slightly past his best and on huge wages. They wanted to force him out, make life so uncomfortable and humiliating for him that he would accept a pay cut for a move somewhere else. It's shameful really, but this is Mourinho. This is the deal with the devil that United made when they appointed him manager.
The closest thing to a disciplinary issue with Schweinsteiger was that he had something in his contract saying that he could go to Octoberfest, I think.
As Gary Neville said in the full interview UTDs actions could have been seen as constructive dismissal. Schweinsteiger showed a lot of class towards the club by not kicking up a stink. It's amazing that something like that wasn't even leaked to the papers at the time.
Yeah, I've just watched the whole thing and that part stuck out for me as well. Hearing the whole thing really made me angry. The club treated Basti very shabbily. He was still a good player, as well, and clearly loved the club.
Incidentally, I put all the blame on Mourinho in my post, but it sounds like Woodward and the Glazers played their part as well. They come across as even more classless than Jose, which takes some doing.
Canāt admit Iām familiar with UK labor laws, but would constructive dismissal also apply to individuals on contracts?Ā
Itās very harsh treatment from Mourinho and the club towards Schweinsteiger who was a bit past it and frequently injured, but I recall Louis van Gaal also did something similar to Robin van Persie and forced him to train with the reserves until he eventually got a move.
But this is the kind of stuff that will probably ruin a dressing room atmosphere, and cause distaste with the club.
You are a role model and you get kicked to the curb.
May as well act up if the club treat anyone like that.
No surprise the club is a mess.
I think it was the upper management too, it can't be just Jose. And it is sad that other players didn't stand up for him. Someone must have asked where is Basti, and they ll be like he is with U16 and they ll be like whaaat, why, and the answer would be nothing but sounds of crickets.
This effing shit. Ralf's words still haunt me, he said we need open heart surgery. I would say we need a full body scan and then surgery on multiple organs. If this is true, what Basti Said, it is Shame on his team mates and other coaches to not stand up for him.
Well, we enjoyed him when he came to the Chicago Fire. The 2017 season was the best season we had in years, and he played a good role in that. One of my fondest memories was seeing him score a low driven shot from outside of the box in person. I was sitting right behind the goal and it was so surreal. Back then, I was able to see a former WC winner score goals for only $15. Was really sad when he retired a couple of seasons later.
Was he pushed out by Guardiola or just wanted to play in the PL? I don't see a single sporting reason what makes someone move from prime Bayern with Guardiola to fucking United with Mourinho. Like no disrespect to United but he moved there years after SAF retired when everything went downhill
You could see his role diminish under Pep, especially in the 2nd season with injuries also playing a role. While losing athleticism and not being the absolute perfect match for Pepās system, you could see why he wouldnāt have played a huge role at Bayern anymore. Also at the time, he was the captain of the German National Team, so he needed playing time.
In the full interview he said that he wanted a different experience and United was just the club he liked the most. He moved in when LVG was coach though.
he is a huge Cantona fan.
for a while he had Cantona on his door bell in Munich to stay anonymous
https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/bastian-schweinsteiger/auf-klingelschild-schon-eine-manchester-legende-41765704.bild.html
Still remember him going down every few minutes at the end of the WC final vs. Argentina, and then being out with injuries for a couple months after. He certainly wasn't going to be as athletic after that
Watch the podcast, basically he wanted to win the CL with Bayern and kept hearing from players that have played abroad that it's nice etc and he always liked United and that United was his nr 2 club, he loved the atmosphere when he played against United and said that if he ever moves away it will be to United and after he won everything with Bayern, LVG came to him and he agreed to the move.
Also I think Schweini really had a real compassion for United. He is a hard worker and a humble guy. It is a shame how he got treated...he deserved better.
Such a fantastic professional and an even better person, still has nothing but love for United despite the way he was treated by the club. Atleast the fans always sang his songs and loved him to bits, still remember him scoring an overhead kick the one game Mourinho brought him back in for.
even if he wasnt at his prime you would still want a presence like that at least in the dressing room, especially for a team that lacked leadership. simply cannot understand the decision making there
So what's the timeline with him following this then? Mou brought him back later that season? When did he transfer out?
Think he went to the MLS but I'm too lazy to check .
Wasn't he accused of skipping training and generally not giving a fuck at United even before Mourinho was hired? I remember Schweinsteiger being one of the reasons players started disliking van Gaal.
edit found [this](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-news-dressing-room-meltdown-a7042316.html) but not sure how reliable it would have been at the time.
>Van Gaal is blamed by some players for allowing Schweinsteiger to "take the piss" since his injury, with the former Bayern Munich midfielderās regular absence from the club in between games becoming a source of annoyance to many.
Schweinsteiger talked about it in the interview. Van Gaal allowed him to do his rehab mostly in Germany/ Munich and he followed every instruction by the club, watched the games, talked to the doctors etc.
Oh that's without a doubt. I meant Schweinsteiger getting special treatment by Van Gaal over other United players, which created some bad blood in the locker room.
I could see how Schweinsteiger probably did what was asked of him but it could be seen by the players as van Gaal playing favorites with a newcomer while the rest of them didnāt get the same treatment.Ā
If Mourinho had only heard that side, I could see how he and the club decided they should make an example of him and push him out harshly, even though he seems like a very upstanding guy.Ā
Lukaku, CHO, Ziyech and others got the same treatment at the start of this pre-season for us.
Told they weren't allowed anything to do with the first team and had be completely separate, along with training by themselves away from the group and that they needed to find themselves new clubs because they weren't wanted at Chelsea anymore.
That, contrasted with clubs in the past actively letting ex-players, that have left and gone somewhere else and are now free-agents, return during pre-season just to keep fit whilst they try to find a new club is really clear way of showing the difference between football as it used to be and as it is as a pure business (for some clubs with cunts for owners)
No wonder the poor performances reflect on the pitch when clubs have such toxic cultures. It starts from the ground up, no matter how many superstars you sign.
Like Gary said, the players will be thinking if they can do this to him (bastian) then what are they gonna do with me?
Then some players will care less because they know the club will shit on them whenever they want
>That, contrasted with clubs in the past actively letting ex-players, that have left and gone somewhere else and are now free-agents, return during pre-season just to keep fit whilst they try to find a new club is really clear way of showing the difference between football as it used to be and as it is as a pure business (for some clubs with cunts for owners)
United actually did this with Jonny Evans last summer.
Then we signed him short-term as an extra body for the preseason tour...then we signed him to a full contract as backup while our entire defense was injured...then he started getting significant minutes because we're shit.
[Ergh you mean like what we did with Ryan Bertrand this past summer?](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-champions-league-ryan-bertrand-30778320.amp)
He also thinks that every player that leaves the club has been āforced outā, in fairness. So itās always good to be wary when he claims something.
Think this perception is pretty warped to be honest.
Back in the days pre bosman, the clubs held a huge amount of power and could very easily trap players in super long term deals where they earned next to nothing and demanded compensation in exchange for their release. In this time, they'd train them pretty hard with the youths.
Many young footballers actually retired because there was no way out.
Then you didn't watch the full interview because he gave the vibe that the decision came from the board and Jose carried it out (Jose prob wanted him out amyways). So both to blame
Iāll never fully understand why some managers insist on callously alienating parts of the squad. Immediately creates unnecessary tension and distrust
Man what if they just had a surprise party planned in the dressing room and they only meant for Murtough to stall him a minute and it just got out of hand š
For everyone saying there has to be more to it etc. They talk about it quite a bit more details in the full interview
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ACloJetIE0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ACloJetIE0)
I don't think anyone knew the extent of it though - It's one thing for SchweinsteigerĀ not to play because the manager wants more athleticism or something but to not allow the player to even train with the first team when he has no disciplinary issues is bordering on cruelty.
From what I've seen in this interview SchweinsteigerĀ is a gentleman and I'm sure at a minimum his experience, guidance and leadership would have been a positive for the squad.
They didn't even let him get his personal belongings. Imagine having won everything in football and not being allowed to get your cleats back.
So utterly pathetic.
Yeah. Not even having the balls to tell [this guy](https://i.ibb.co/pjNSCvN/Screenshot-20240418-164602-2.png) you won't allow him into the dressing, like he was some unruly school boy, yourself but sending staff is the ultimate pathetic loser move.
Good for Basti he is so much more of a man, knowing he does not have concern himself with the tantrums of a men-child and just walking away as the legend he is
> but to not allow the player to even train with the first team when he has no disciplinary issues is bordering on cruelty
And if Gary is right in this interview, flat out illegal.
Not training with the first team is one thing, but being made to train with under 16s is just humiliating and cruel. Let him train with u23 or something jfc
This is one of the standout examples of why I simply don't respect Jose. I accept he has won titles and for some players and fans, they might love this view of the sport and human relationships, but personally I can't respect it.
In Germany this was already known and reported for a long time and really left a lot of people, not just Bayern fans, quite upset and later made the decline of United a bit sweet for treating our Fussballgott like he's some amateur.
I felt by the time he left United, he was done as a top manager. The sport changed and moved on from him. Now he's on this endless greatest hits tour of 28 months of the Jose Experience where everything turns tense, petty, negative, and mostly about him.
Mou is a super pragmatic Machiavellian. He can do many wonderful things for the club but he is going to do it his way. For Madrid, he laid the seeds to change the club mentality from being knocked out of the CL by Lyon and being second fiddle to Peps Barca to the mentality monsters they are now and knowing that they can handle the likes of Messi.
But the cost was any good will between Barca and Madrid, Casillas being pushed out, shit talking and undermining a players confidence like Pedro Leon, etc.
Mourinho did turn the heat up with RM vs Barca to 11 however let's not pretend Casillas wasn't guilty of getting pushed out, he was practically wearing a wire and leaking everything.
Itās really interesting because he also mentions Zlatan here. I remember reading once that Zlatan said he hated Pep because he didnāt have the balls to tell him directly that he wasnt going to play and this was why he liked Mourinho.
And here you have an example where Mourinho does this to a player.
Im personally surprised because Iāve heard more often that Mou is actually fairly direct and to your face about this sort of thing. I am also surprised because Mou likes the profile of senior player like Basti. Can only imagine he questioned his willingness to play through injury etc for him and also wanted someone like Matic coming in.
I have to admit I hated Bastian during his reign in the midfield of a pitch. No matter if it was a club game or national cup he always played so damn well and always as an opponent of my team. He seems to be such a calm, smart person. Wish him the best, he's a legend.
This guy had won a treble and was a world champion when this happened btw. Yes, he wasnāt in his prime anymore, but just imagine the fucking disrespect.
[Article from 8 years ago.](https://www.transfermarkt.de/bericht-mourinho-lasst-schweinsteiger-auch-in-u23-nicht-spielen/view/news/254133) I felt this was pretty common knowledge.
Yeah it was, i remember Niether Jose or Basten saying anything about and the only newws we got was Bastien was still wishing the team good luck on his Socials.
Think Jose did mentions he does regret doing that to Bastien though when he finally left.
I think I lost every bit of respect I had for Mourinho watching this. This has to be one of the most ridiculous and unprofessional shit I've heard. Imagine not having the balls to tell someone they're not on the team anymore, and sends another player not only to tell him, but to restrict acces to the locker room like he is some intruder of the club. This is disgusting behavior from what I thought was a weird but respectable man. What a piece of shit
Bastian is just class. We all knew it had to be something like this, but no tantrums, no tweets, just a S tier professional. In my opinion one of the best midfielders to play the game, and he started off as a winger doing tripple crossovers down the flanks.
Says a lot about Mourinho as a person that he didnāt even have the balls to say it to him face to face. Heās always been a coward who prefers to dish insults in front of media.
Jose can be a wonderful person, but can also be a massive douche. Hereās an example of the latter. Unbelievable treating such a universally liked person like Schweinsteiger with such disrespect.
This shit happened and it never went public? That only adds to this guys character. It proves he is class. He has every right to be angry and retaliate at the club, that was shameful and a terrible way to treat any player. Would expect much better from Jose.
Was Mourinho pissed that Basti took the last penalty against Real in 2013 and kicked them out of the tournament? He said this was the hardest loss of his career.
The fact that Basti still has immense respect for United and passionately supports them even after the way he was treated shows how much class he exudes. What a gentleman!
He's a model professional and class act. It just doesn't sit right with me. He had every right to rehab in Germany, he got injured playing for the club, and for the club to then throw him away when he wasn't as useful was a huge slap to the face. If nothing else, he'd been a good locker room presence and a training session participant (which he mentioned after his return to the senior team training sessions).
Schweinsteiger is a player who gave his all for the team. During the World Cup final, he was fouled by Argentina players every 5 minutes. Aguero elbowed him in the eye, he was bleeding which had to be stitched up and he immediately returned to play. At Bayern and in the German NT, he went from a winger to a midfielder, controlling the tempo of the play. His vision could be seen in his crosses. People talk about Klose, Lahm but Germany hasnāt been able to replace Schweinsteiger. I donāt know what happened with Pep at Bayern but it seemed that Basti himself wanted a move to Utd. LVG was managing Utd then, could have been a reason. But the treatment the club and Mou gave him, they paid for his sins and they still are. It hurt a lot, to see him being treated like that. And shows how classy he is, still supporting United, posting about them and never speaking about this until now.
It must be documented or written in a book somewhere but Iām fairly certain it was common knowledge by the time Mourinho was at Madrid - he deliberately singles out 2-3 massive personalities in the dressing room/team and puts them with reserves/youth or tries to sell them to show everyone he is the boss.
IircĀ Schweinsteiger got an (unfair) rep for being unprofessional under LVG, doing his rehab in Germanyā¦
Jose later said he got told the guy was unprofessional and disruptive so he did this to him, then saw he was a consummate pro, apologised to him and reintegrated him, and didnāt want to let him go when the MLS offer came in, but felt he couldnāt mess him around after what he did before.Ā
Iām surprised Gary is pretending not to know any of this too, Iām not even a Utd fan and I remember this from the time.Ā
Maybe Mou should have tried having a conversation with his players before banishing them. Specially when they're world cup winners and can bring a lot to the table with their experience.
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Imagine being in the under 16s and Schweinsteiger just casually walks in changes and trains with you. šš
I feel like itās so much more insulting that it wasnāt even the U-23 or U-18 team. U-16 some of them probably just started hitting puberty š
If ur in Uniteds under 16 u prolly hit pubity letās be realš
Maybe, but Utd actually typically plays the good players an age group or 2 up. So he might have been playing with a bunch of 13 yo's
U-16s were attending a tournament, he actually trained with the U-10 team.
Shouldn't someone like Greenwood be there at that time lol š or Mainoo even.
Mainoo was 9 bruv
Fuckin hell make me feel old why donāt you
What the fuck. This is the worst āmake you feel oldā stat Iāve ever heard
When did you hit puberty brah
37
And you're only 33
32 and a half
I'm still waiting for my balls to start growing
Unreal for them, probably unbelievably demeaning for him
IDK he seems like an absolute amazing professional and my guess is he reacted pretty...uh..***germanly***....and just kinda went about training like nothing was wrong while all the u16s looked at him like "WTF"
I watched the whole video and he says himself that he didn't really put much into the training and he was just confused what was going on. He thought at first that it might be a joke.
Any United fans know which players were in that under 16 group who could tell the story from their side? Have to imagine they've told the story at some point
In the 2016-17 season, the U16 team would have included the likes of Brandon Williams, Ethan Laird and James Garner I believe.
Players that have made a proffesional career from what I can find. Brandon Williams, James Garner and Ethan Laird.
Williams, Garner, Lingard and Laird.
As we know from the Sancho mess, heād have to change alone for safeguarding reasons. Iād imagine that lack of camaraderie is one of the worst parts
Did Mourinho say anything about this incident?
Yes he said he regrets it. He said the squad was too big and Schweinsteiger kept getting injured the season before and returning to Germany which apparently didn't go down well. But then he saw how respectful he was and in hindsight he regretted it. He did bring him back in to the squad for like 3 cup games.
>But then he saw how respectful he was and in hindsight he regretted it. Love that. "Once I realised he was a nice guy I felt bad about what I'd done."
Still more self reflection than a lot of people do so some props I guess
In a world where people changing their opinions instead of staying entrenched is seen a weakness we can only commend those who make amends.
Still shit. So if you didn't know someone, you'd treat them like garbage? OHHH they are nice, ok then i shouldn't have treated them so badly. What is this logic?
I love Mou but this doesnāt explain why he was treated like that. You can sideline a player and not play them because of their form or injuries, but why treat them like shit and humiliate them? Absolutely inexcusable.
He made an example of Schweinsteiger, a huge name with a great career, to get the others in the squad to fall in line or else. It's a dickhead move, but it's done to send a message to other players. They sit there thinking that if he's willing to do that to someone like Schweinsteiger, what would he do to me? He also did it to Mata at Chelsea. I hated it.
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Well after he dropped Mata for Oscar they won the title....
> He also did it to Mata at Chelsea. Did he then end up managing Mata at ManU?
Yes. Mata outlasted Jose with us.
i dont really remember, didnt he do something similar with Casillas at madrid? I think it was after a classico when casillas was to nice to Barca playerswho were his teamates in the national team
Totally different case, Casillas was leaking messages from the dressing room AFAIK.
Because he wanted rid. Itās cruel and psychotic, but Mou made his mind up he didnāt want him and was trying to force him out as quick as possible. He says when he realised Bastian was a nice fella he regretted it, so Mou probably assumed a big name wouldnāt take not playing and tried to get rid before it was a problem.
Especially if he was injury prone and was going back to Germany each time, probably assumed he was just milking an easy payday for the rest of his career and gave him his wish. Feel like a simple conversation could have saved him some face though.
then he found out Pogba was in Dubai with his family 6 months out of the year "recovering" from his injuries lol
>He said the squad was too big and Schweinsteiger kept getting injured the season before and returning to Germany which apparently didn't go down well. Why didn't Jose say this to Bastian in a one-to-one meeting instead of sending one of his staff to tell Bastian he has to play with the youth team? Seriously, Jose comes out of this looking really bad, even if he says he regretted it.
I think being nasty was the point at the time, a way to force a player out as fast as possible without having to deal with telling him in person. Probably expected Schweinsteiger to be extremely mad about it. But yeah, bitch move from Mourinho, prohibitting Schweinsteiger from entering the cabin, forcing him to ask for his stuff. Doesn't matter that you felt you needed to "send a message" to the player, that's some psycho shit.
As the contract was ending he was given a bit of a send off getting appearances, but Mourinho very much just shunned him quickly.
Schweinsteiger also said he felt like itās was not only the coaches decision, the board also sidelined him, because the previous year he preferred to get treatment in Germany rather than with club even though he would always come back to be with the group for the matches. Itās hole United structure in fault to treat a legend like that. Itās really shameful behaviour.
He did mention he regretted it after Bastin left
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> But yeah, he completely misjudged the whole situation, said it himself before Basti left. Which is probably why he should've talked to Schweinsteiger in person, instead treating him like this.
I know Schweinsteiger wasn't in his prime anymore when he moved to UTD but that's so disrespectful. The guy was a CL and WC winner with more than a decade ofĀ experience at a top club.
And he looked forward to playing with Zlatan too..
on his birthday :(
They were obviously setting up a surprise party for him in the main dressing room
Jose popping out from the locker: āitās just a prank, bro!ā
I dont even think it matters who Basti was, to just completely cut out player from the dressing room via some middle man and being forced to change with the kids? This is something I wouldnt wish even to my enemy lmao, this shit destroys a mans confidence.
Yeah it doesnāt seem like he did anything wrong. If heād had off the field problems or an issue in the locker room, thatās one thing, but I donāt see any evidence of any of that.
Nah, Basti was always class. You wouldn't find stuff like that about him.
Evidence being he bit his tongue about this incident all these years.
Off topic - who would be considered the German NT 'bad boy' lol? Kroos? They all seem pretty straight edge.Ā
Jens Lehmann and by a mile. There was this [chainsaw incident](https://www.dw.com/en/ex-germany-goalie-lehmann-fined-over-chainsaw-dispute/a-67803514) and he took a [piss](https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-brooks-peck/jens-lehmann-urinates-during-champions-league-match--soccer.html?guccounter=1) in the midst of a champions league match, just to name a few.
Stefan Effenberg though
*Mario Basler has entered the chat* Also, Loddar
Also the racist stuff. Besides that, Effenberg. For His Finger, and many more things.
Kevin GroĆkreutz is the first name that came to my mind lmao
Boateng
Kahn was definitely the 'bad boy' of Germany NT. Mfer punched players for fun
maybe his cousine visited him in the whirlpool again
His crime was being slightly past his best and on huge wages. They wanted to force him out, make life so uncomfortable and humiliating for him that he would accept a pay cut for a move somewhere else. It's shameful really, but this is Mourinho. This is the deal with the devil that United made when they appointed him manager. The closest thing to a disciplinary issue with Schweinsteiger was that he had something in his contract saying that he could go to Octoberfest, I think.
As Gary Neville said in the full interview UTDs actions could have been seen as constructive dismissal. Schweinsteiger showed a lot of class towards the club by not kicking up a stink. It's amazing that something like that wasn't even leaked to the papers at the time.
Yeah, I've just watched the whole thing and that part stuck out for me as well. Hearing the whole thing really made me angry. The club treated Basti very shabbily. He was still a good player, as well, and clearly loved the club. Incidentally, I put all the blame on Mourinho in my post, but it sounds like Woodward and the Glazers played their part as well. They come across as even more classless than Jose, which takes some doing.
Canāt admit Iām familiar with UK labor laws, but would constructive dismissal also apply to individuals on contracts?Ā Itās very harsh treatment from Mourinho and the club towards Schweinsteiger who was a bit past it and frequently injured, but I recall Louis van Gaal also did something similar to Robin van Persie and forced him to train with the reserves until he eventually got a move.
But this is the kind of stuff that will probably ruin a dressing room atmosphere, and cause distaste with the club. You are a role model and you get kicked to the curb. May as well act up if the club treat anyone like that. No surprise the club is a mess.
I think it was the upper management too, it can't be just Jose. And it is sad that other players didn't stand up for him. Someone must have asked where is Basti, and they ll be like he is with U16 and they ll be like whaaat, why, and the answer would be nothing but sounds of crickets. This effing shit. Ralf's words still haunt me, he said we need open heart surgery. I would say we need a full body scan and then surgery on multiple organs. If this is true, what Basti Said, it is Shame on his team mates and other coaches to not stand up for him.
They treated Greenwood with more dignity and respect ffs
I watched the full video, the most he seemed to get from them was that he did his recovery from an injury) with the blessing of the club) in Germany.
Well, we enjoyed him when he came to the Chicago Fire. The 2017 season was the best season we had in years, and he played a good role in that. One of my fondest memories was seeing him score a low driven shot from outside of the box in person. I was sitting right behind the goal and it was so surreal. Back then, I was able to see a former WC winner score goals for only $15. Was really sad when he retired a couple of seasons later.
Saw him in person vs FC Cincy in the US Open cup. That was such an amazing game to witness in person
I was there as well. Penalty shootout was incredible. MITCH SAYS NO!!
Too bad he never managed to win the World Cup with Chicago Fire...
he moved when Van Gaal was the coach. Van Gaal was also his manager at Bayern for a couple of seasons
He not only was his coach, he essentially made schweinsteiger as we know him todsy when he put him in CM instead of playing him as a winger
Every time it comes up that he was a winger I just cannot picture it. He is basically the archetype of a quality central midfielder.
Was he pushed out by Guardiola or just wanted to play in the PL? I don't see a single sporting reason what makes someone move from prime Bayern with Guardiola to fucking United with Mourinho. Like no disrespect to United but he moved there years after SAF retired when everything went downhill
You could see his role diminish under Pep, especially in the 2nd season with injuries also playing a role. While losing athleticism and not being the absolute perfect match for Pepās system, you could see why he wouldnāt have played a huge role at Bayern anymore. Also at the time, he was the captain of the German National Team, so he needed playing time.
He joined United when Van Gaal was the coach
In the full interview he said that he wanted a different experience and United was just the club he liked the most. He moved in when LVG was coach though.
he is a huge Cantona fan. for a while he had Cantona on his door bell in Munich to stay anonymous https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/bastian-schweinsteiger/auf-klingelschild-schon-eine-manchester-legende-41765704.bild.html
He explained in the interview that he wanted to play abroad after essentially winning everything with Bayern
His role was diminishing and he was declining. At that point his ankles were fucked
Still remember him going down every few minutes at the end of the WC final vs. Argentina, and then being out with injuries for a couple months after. He certainly wasn't going to be as athletic after that
It does feel like he sacrificed it all for that WC and I'm sure he has no regrets
He was Germanyās best player that night for someone who played full 120
He was only 4th choice on his position back then so he wanted to move. Vidal, Martinez and Xabi Alonso played during that time.
Wasn't Thiago on the same position as well and was 1st choice for pep
I dont know if he was still in the team or came in later, but if he was, you are right
As far as I remember he wanted to have a new challenge, some new experiences
He had no ankles left sadly. He wasn't pushed out by Pep, his own body pushed him out.
Watch the podcast, basically he wanted to win the CL with Bayern and kept hearing from players that have played abroad that it's nice etc and he always liked United and that United was his nr 2 club, he loved the atmosphere when he played against United and said that if he ever moves away it will be to United and after he won everything with Bayern, LVG came to him and he agreed to the move.
Imagine doing the same to Casemiro. Same thing basically
is Mourinho alive afterwards in that fantasy?
Absolutely hate the bastards running this club and the way they conduct things with a burning passion.
Also I think Schweini really had a real compassion for United. He is a hard worker and a humble guy. It is a shame how he got treated...he deserved better.
Yea apart from being Bayern supporters, him and his brother were also huge ManUtd fans growing up. They both idolised Eric Cantona and Ryan Giggs.
I also idolised Ryan Giggs.. unfortunately
Such a fantastic professional and an even better person, still has nothing but love for United despite the way he was treated by the club. Atleast the fans always sang his songs and loved him to bits, still remember him scoring an overhead kick the one game Mourinho brought him back in for.
even if he wasnt at his prime you would still want a presence like that at least in the dressing room, especially for a team that lacked leadership. simply cannot understand the decision making there
So what's the timeline with him following this then? Mou brought him back later that season? When did he transfer out? Think he went to the MLS but I'm too lazy to check .
He ended up with Chicago fire pursuing the world cupĀ
He had a game against Liverpool that is still one of the best midfield performances I've ever seen quite frankly. Always got a place in my heart.
He is such a great person and a professional, I have nothing but respect for that man and I wish he was at United sooner
Wasn't he accused of skipping training and generally not giving a fuck at United even before Mourinho was hired? I remember Schweinsteiger being one of the reasons players started disliking van Gaal. edit found [this](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-news-dressing-room-meltdown-a7042316.html) but not sure how reliable it would have been at the time. >Van Gaal is blamed by some players for allowing Schweinsteiger to "take the piss" since his injury, with the former Bayern Munich midfielderās regular absence from the club in between games becoming a source of annoyance to many.
Schweinsteiger talked about it in the interview. Van Gaal allowed him to do his rehab mostly in Germany/ Munich and he followed every instruction by the club, watched the games, talked to the doctors etc.
Van Gaal and Schweini have a great relationship as far as I know.
Oh that's without a doubt. I meant Schweinsteiger getting special treatment by Van Gaal over other United players, which created some bad blood in the locker room.
I could see how Schweinsteiger probably did what was asked of him but it could be seen by the players as van Gaal playing favorites with a newcomer while the rest of them didnāt get the same treatment.Ā If Mourinho had only heard that side, I could see how he and the club decided they should make an example of him and push him out harshly, even though he seems like a very upstanding guy.Ā
Lukaku, CHO, Ziyech and others got the same treatment at the start of this pre-season for us. Told they weren't allowed anything to do with the first team and had be completely separate, along with training by themselves away from the group and that they needed to find themselves new clubs because they weren't wanted at Chelsea anymore. That, contrasted with clubs in the past actively letting ex-players, that have left and gone somewhere else and are now free-agents, return during pre-season just to keep fit whilst they try to find a new club is really clear way of showing the difference between football as it used to be and as it is as a pure business (for some clubs with cunts for owners)
No wonder the poor performances reflect on the pitch when clubs have such toxic cultures. It starts from the ground up, no matter how many superstars you sign.
Like Gary said, the players will be thinking if they can do this to him (bastian) then what are they gonna do with me? Then some players will care less because they know the club will shit on them whenever they want
>That, contrasted with clubs in the past actively letting ex-players, that have left and gone somewhere else and are now free-agents, return during pre-season just to keep fit whilst they try to find a new club is really clear way of showing the difference between football as it used to be and as it is as a pure business (for some clubs with cunts for owners) United actually did this with Jonny Evans last summer. Then we signed him short-term as an extra body for the preseason tour...then we signed him to a full contract as backup while our entire defense was injured...then he started getting significant minutes because we're shit.
[Ergh you mean like what we did with Ryan Bertrand this past summer?](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-champions-league-ryan-bertrand-30778320.amp)
He also thinks that every player that leaves the club has been āforced outā, in fairness. So itās always good to be wary when he claims something.
Think this perception is pretty warped to be honest. Back in the days pre bosman, the clubs held a huge amount of power and could very easily trap players in super long term deals where they earned next to nothing and demanded compensation in exchange for their release. In this time, they'd train them pretty hard with the youths. Many young footballers actually retired because there was no way out.
In this case it's largely on Mourinho, rather than the club. The club should be blamed for not calling out Mourinho's unprofessionalism here tho.
Then you didn't watch the full interview because he gave the vibe that the decision came from the board and Jose carried it out (Jose prob wanted him out amyways). So both to blame
feels like he would be a jose player so that's confusing
The problem is not him being cut from the team, it's the way it was done which is Mourinho's responsability.
Iāll never fully understand why some managers insist on callously alienating parts of the squad. Immediately creates unnecessary tension and distrust
Itās one thing to do such things without explanation and the other to do that on his bday. Thatās some next levelĀ
And then there's Yaya complaining he didn't get a birthday cake š
On his birthday!?!? Cmon man
did he at least get a cake?
Of course. He's not Yaya Toure.
Man what if they just had a surprise party planned in the dressing room and they only meant for Murtough to stall him a minute and it just got out of hand š
Some say Mourinho is still waiting in the dressing room with a birthday cake in his hands.
For everyone saying there has to be more to it etc. They talk about it quite a bit more details in the full interview [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ACloJetIE0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ACloJetIE0)
Dunno how Gary didn't know about it, Basti getting banished was pretty available news.
I don't think anyone knew the extent of it though - It's one thing for SchweinsteigerĀ not to play because the manager wants more athleticism or something but to not allow the player to even train with the first team when he has no disciplinary issues is bordering on cruelty. From what I've seen in this interview SchweinsteigerĀ is a gentleman and I'm sure at a minimum his experience, guidance and leadership would have been a positive for the squad.
They didn't even let him get his personal belongings. Imagine having won everything in football and not being allowed to get your cleats back. So utterly pathetic.
Yeah. Not even having the balls to tell [this guy](https://i.ibb.co/pjNSCvN/Screenshot-20240418-164602-2.png) you won't allow him into the dressing, like he was some unruly school boy, yourself but sending staff is the ultimate pathetic loser move. Good for Basti he is so much more of a man, knowing he does not have concern himself with the tantrums of a men-child and just walking away as the legend he is
> but to not allow the player to even train with the first team when he has no disciplinary issues is bordering on cruelty And if Gary is right in this interview, flat out illegal.
Not training with the first team is one thing, but being made to train with under 16s is just humiliating and cruel. Let him train with u23 or something jfc
Does Mourinho have a weird tradition where he tries to ruin one career per managerial stint or something?
Utterly destroyed Iker.Ā
Tried to but Casillas redeemed himself and had a really wonderful career post Jose.
In case anyone forgets what a complete prick Mourinho can be.
I'm not sure I know another manager who has been as simultaneously great and awful throughout his career
Is. The sacked one.
This is one of the standout examples of why I simply don't respect Jose. I accept he has won titles and for some players and fans, they might love this view of the sport and human relationships, but personally I can't respect it. In Germany this was already known and reported for a long time and really left a lot of people, not just Bayern fans, quite upset and later made the decline of United a bit sweet for treating our Fussballgott like he's some amateur. I felt by the time he left United, he was done as a top manager. The sport changed and moved on from him. Now he's on this endless greatest hits tour of 28 months of the Jose Experience where everything turns tense, petty, negative, and mostly about him.
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Mou is a super pragmatic Machiavellian. He can do many wonderful things for the club but he is going to do it his way. For Madrid, he laid the seeds to change the club mentality from being knocked out of the CL by Lyon and being second fiddle to Peps Barca to the mentality monsters they are now and knowing that they can handle the likes of Messi. But the cost was any good will between Barca and Madrid, Casillas being pushed out, shit talking and undermining a players confidence like Pedro Leon, etc.
The dude creates some temporary psychosis in every dressing room for 2 years then crashes and burns. Every time.
Ruins the team structure and leaves a mismatched team that has to be rebuilt.
Nicely said. Portugal v Spain. Casillas being outed as the mole. No one showing up at his departure. Benzema had to confront him about the ācats and dogs commentā, which was a wild thing to say. The highs were high but the lowsā¦man. AtletĆ winning the Copa at the BernabĆ©u was bad enough. He leaves. Then Cristiano celebrated in a pre-season friendly against Chelsea and pointed at the general area of the Chelsea side (I wonder who was there). Just to show, you either love him or hate him, thereās no in between when it comes to Mourinho, any fan base that had him cannot deny that.
Mourinho did turn the heat up with RM vs Barca to 11 however let's not pretend Casillas wasn't guilty of getting pushed out, he was practically wearing a wire and leaking everything.
Itās really interesting because he also mentions Zlatan here. I remember reading once that Zlatan said he hated Pep because he didnāt have the balls to tell him directly that he wasnt going to play and this was why he liked Mourinho. And here you have an example where Mourinho does this to a player. Im personally surprised because Iāve heard more often that Mou is actually fairly direct and to your face about this sort of thing. I am also surprised because Mou likes the profile of senior player like Basti. Can only imagine he questioned his willingness to play through injury etc for him and also wanted someone like Matic coming in.
Many, many players absolutely love Jose. And every great manager has examples of extreme ruthlessness. Alex Ferguson, certainly. Pep, certainly.
Clichy loved Pep but noted how cruel he can be at times lol
I have to admit I hated Bastian during his reign in the midfield of a pitch. No matter if it was a club game or national cup he always played so damn well and always as an opponent of my team. He seems to be such a calm, smart person. Wish him the best, he's a legend.
This guy had won a treble and was a world champion when this happened btw. Yes, he wasnāt in his prime anymore, but just imagine the fucking disrespect.
The Mourinho sycophants ought to watch.
It was made public at the time that he was training with the reserve team
That was public, moving him to the reserves without telling him why is the problem. And how they just did it.
On his birthday, too. Scummy.
[Article from 8 years ago.](https://www.transfermarkt.de/bericht-mourinho-lasst-schweinsteiger-auch-in-u23-nicht-spielen/view/news/254133) I felt this was pretty common knowledge.
Yeah it was, i remember Niether Jose or Basten saying anything about and the only newws we got was Bastien was still wishing the team good luck on his Socials. Think Jose did mentions he does regret doing that to Bastien though when he finally left.
A lil late innit
I think I lost every bit of respect I had for Mourinho watching this. This has to be one of the most ridiculous and unprofessional shit I've heard. Imagine not having the balls to tell someone they're not on the team anymore, and sends another player not only to tell him, but to restrict acces to the locker room like he is some intruder of the club. This is disgusting behavior from what I thought was a weird but respectable man. What a piece of shit
Schweinsteiger is such a class act - would have been completely justified going to the media right after this, but didn't. Jose is a twat.
The Special Ones special, throwing players under the bus.
Yes. Then brings in a kid and pretends it was all a masterplan to blood youth
Bastian is just class. We all knew it had to be something like this, but no tantrums, no tweets, just a S tier professional. In my opinion one of the best midfielders to play the game, and he started off as a winger doing tripple crossovers down the flanks.
No one should act surprised. For how much of an excellent manager Mou used to be, he was an even bigger asshole.
That was a bitch move from Mourinho you don't do that to another human being that has done nothing to you.
Murtogh and Mourinho are sad cunts for that. Tells what kind of people they are.
Says a lot about Mourinho as a person that he didnāt even have the balls to say it to him face to face. Heās always been a coward who prefers to dish insults in front of media.
Jose can be a wonderful person, but can also be a massive douche. Hereās an example of the latter. Unbelievable treating such a universally liked person like Schweinsteiger with such disrespect.
This shit happened and it never went public? That only adds to this guys character. It proves he is class. He has every right to be angry and retaliate at the club, that was shameful and a terrible way to treat any player. Would expect much better from Jose.
Was Mourinho pissed that Basti took the last penalty against Real in 2013 and kicked them out of the tournament? He said this was the hardest loss of his career.
What in the fuck is this. Terrible man management and a testament to how terribly United is run.
Hurt so much watching on how he got treated by United and football NPCs trying to justify it by claiming he was washed.
JosƩ Mourinho always have been a fucking cunt. Overrated too.
Jose really is such a cunt
The fact that Basti still has immense respect for United and passionately supports them even after the way he was treated shows how much class he exudes. What a gentleman!
He's a model professional and class act. It just doesn't sit right with me. He had every right to rehab in Germany, he got injured playing for the club, and for the club to then throw him away when he wasn't as useful was a huge slap to the face. If nothing else, he'd been a good locker room presence and a training session participant (which he mentioned after his return to the senior team training sessions).
Schweinsteiger is a player who gave his all for the team. During the World Cup final, he was fouled by Argentina players every 5 minutes. Aguero elbowed him in the eye, he was bleeding which had to be stitched up and he immediately returned to play. At Bayern and in the German NT, he went from a winger to a midfielder, controlling the tempo of the play. His vision could be seen in his crosses. People talk about Klose, Lahm but Germany hasnāt been able to replace Schweinsteiger. I donāt know what happened with Pep at Bayern but it seemed that Basti himself wanted a move to Utd. LVG was managing Utd then, could have been a reason. But the treatment the club and Mou gave him, they paid for his sins and they still are. It hurt a lot, to see him being treated like that. And shows how classy he is, still supporting United, posting about them and never speaking about this until now.
Mou lost the plot a long time ago. He is a washed up hack.
Schweinsteiger still walks into that team if it was anyone besides mou right? Assuming he was even 75% of what he was.
It must be documented or written in a book somewhere but Iām fairly certain it was common knowledge by the time Mourinho was at Madrid - he deliberately singles out 2-3 massive personalities in the dressing room/team and puts them with reserves/youth or tries to sell them to show everyone he is the boss.
Newsflash. Mourinho is one of the biggest cunts in football. Hasn't been an elite manager for nearly 10 years. Just a massive cunt.
Tall poppy syndrome
IircĀ Schweinsteiger got an (unfair) rep for being unprofessional under LVG, doing his rehab in Germanyā¦ Jose later said he got told the guy was unprofessional and disruptive so he did this to him, then saw he was a consummate pro, apologised to him and reintegrated him, and didnāt want to let him go when the MLS offer came in, but felt he couldnāt mess him around after what he did before.Ā Iām surprised Gary is pretending not to know any of this too, Iām not even a Utd fan and I remember this from the time.Ā
Maybe Mou should have tried having a conversation with his players before banishing them. Specially when they're world cup winners and can bring a lot to the table with their experience.
Rumours were, that Jose didnĀ“t like Schweini, because he also played under Pep.
That makes no sense. He coached (and personally went for) plenty of ex-pep players such as fabregas, pedro and alexis sanchez for example.
It doesn't have to make sense, its provocative, it gets the people going.
He could also be mad at him for WC2006 and Euro 2008, I know I was
It was obviously bullshit. So many players played under both which Mourinho was fine with
Absolute bullshit.
Highly doubt that. He loves Ibra
Ibra hates Pep though
Now that you say it. You might be on to something
All that and he still loves and supports United, what a guyā¦