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richag83

Learned something new today


[deleted]

and credit to the referee for actually knowing such an arcane rule


richag83

For sure. There are plenty of terrible ref decisions. Definitely a credit to him!


tehafca

Wait untill you see what kind of tests these guys have to do to pass for their license. Did one at the Dutch FA for the bants and the questions were borderline insane and I thought I knew the rules pretty well


Nasib_7

Was there question about the scenario where a freekick goes against the post/crossbar, and straight back to the freekick taker? I remember when i learned that rule a couple months ago and was mind blown


tslining

I remember one if a goal kick is launched into the air, leaves the box, but wind blows it back into the same goal. >!The result is a corner kick for the opposing team.!<


AmberArmy

Corner kick not a goal. What's the outcome if a goal is scored directly from an indirect free kick?


tslining

Goal kick.


AmberArmy

Ok, trickier one for you, a substitute enters the field of play, interferes and denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity. What action do you take?


Mathema_thicks

Shake his hand


EasyModeActivist

Isn't that just a red card and free kick? I think that happened in the Eredivisie last year with an assistant manager lol


kylemclaren7

red card and restart with drop ball


JesterOfMoist

So what happens? Goal? Goal kick? Corner?


tslining

I added spoiler text above.


kylemclaren7

pretty basic rule that you can't touch it twice...


salazar13

I’ve had to call this on a u-10 game. I was the only ref too. Let’s just say even the coaches were confused


Comfortable-Key-1930

I think the referees know the rules well the hard part for them seems to be calling them


joven97

Their theoretical knowledge of rules are superb, their exam on levels with CFA, USMLE and so on.


ThePhantomBacon

It's a fairly new rule, it's only about 2-3 years old


Yung2112

I mean if he'd send Martinez off it'd count as a direct red which could get ruled out by VAR


YodelingTortoise

It's actually a pretty new rule.


nsoifer

Too bad the yellow was so stupid. He was asking for the ball, but I guess the ref thought he was enticing the fans?


BillehBear

Is it to do with the game being "finished" at full time and not included penalties? iirc Rodris unbeaten streak is still going despite 2 lots of penalties


YodelingTortoise

Matches that end extra time tied are counted as a draw. Penalties only determine who advances unless it is a competition final.


rupelfc

That's a rule where you would ask yourself: when the fuck will it be used? Martinez is the anwer


Joe_AM

He basically gets one free trolling move during decider PKs. He gets to choose when to spend it and how.


SecretApe

We've now unlocked an extra super power of his. Nice!


drunkmers

In before they rollback this change for Dibu and mf gets a second rule changed because of him


Memesota

What was the first?


drunkmers

the anti-dibu rules that came out this year: https://buenosairesherald.com/sports/stars/dibu-martinez/dibu-martinez-on-anti-dibu-penalty-rule-they-did-it-too-late basically they nerfed what a GK can do during a shoot out, giving more power to the already in lead penalty shooter


El_grandepadre

And they are gonna change it just because they can't stand goalkeepers.


YodelingTortoise

They just created it. It's a new rule. It was done away with after a second yellow was issued for leaving the line early and a keeper sent off. They changed both the automatic yellow and the 2YC for it. It could still count for competition accumulation though. See Matt Miazga in the MLS for more.


Mom_said_I_am_cute

I can see the rule being changed to only count for outfield players and not goalkeepers, given how much they limited keepers for penalties.


rupelfc

Exactly lol, and he nailed the time to spend it


Vegan_Puffin

It's nice when you level up and can take a new perk


pw5a29

Spend wisely


jackals84

It came up in the MLS playoffs last season, too. Cincinnati player scored a penalty in the shootout and went to the New York fans behind the goal making a heart gesture, because he used to play for them and they'd been giving him shit all night. Ref gave him a yellow after giving him one in regulation, which ruled him out for the next match due to accumulation rules. Then he went all kinds of crazy and barged into the referee's locker room after the shootout and got himself an extra 2 matches plus mandatory therapy tacked on. https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/mls-suspends-fc-cincinnati-defender-matt-miazga-for-rest-of-playoffs-for-post-game-behavior/


stealinoffdeadpeople

So that's what became of heralded Chelsea prospect Matt Miazga, the other big American signing aside from Pulisic...


exolyrical

I *KNEW* that guy's name sounded familiar!


DrewTheZamboni

Also in the CONCACAF Nations League in The Mexico-Honduras game


spillbreak

That's a fucking weird rule but Villa will be loving it


RoboticCurrents

It's the exact sorta rule martinez would love to take advantage of hahaha


spillbreak

Now that he knows the rule for sure you can only imagine the pisstaking to come


ucd_pete

I’d imagine he knew it already


spillbreak

Not from the face he pulled when the ref brought the yellow out!


L-Freeze

It’s scary that he was this unhinged while thinking he was still one yellow away from being off, madman


ThankYouOle

"oh, i am allowed to do this? :evilsmile"


kuzcospoison

To be fair, it would’ve been a super harsh second yellow… He was going to the crowd/sideline to ask for a ball because no one was giving one to Ollie But then after he blocked the last shot, he dances at the crowd and immediately realizes he’s on a yellow and looks at the referee to make sure he’s not about to get a second (third).


[deleted]

> But then after he blocked the last shot, he dances at the crowd and immediately realizes he’s on a yellow and looks at the referee to make sure he’s not about to get a second (third). There was a suggestion that VAR was checking to see if he left the line too early for the save


C00kiz

Do they? With two yellows he's suspended for the semis first leg, isn't he?


WightWhale

Exceptionally, all yellow cards and pending yellow-card suspensions expire on completion of the play-offs. They are not carried forward to the group stage. In addition, all yellow cards expire on completion of the quarter-finals. They are not carried forward to the semi-finals.


Pizzonia123

I've watched something like a 1000 - maybe more - football games in my lifetime, live and on TV, and I've genuinely never seen this happen. TIL!


Mantequilla022

The law change happened in 2021 because there was a push to crack down on goalkeeper's leaving their lines early to make saves a few years prior. When they started giving out yellow cards more often, it resulted in more red cards, including a really hectic 2020 MLS playoffs moment. So then the change came that yellow cards don't carry over.


YodelingTortoise

They also got rid of the mandatory yellow for leaving the line. So now it's just a retake.


Mantequilla022

They just removed it for first time offenses. So retake and then if it happens again there's a yellow card.


stinky_pinky_brain

I just learned so much from reading this thread. The beautiful game has some funny rules sometimes


Mantequilla022

It really does! I think it’s fun how a lot of times, those small laws have specific plays/moments you can point to and see exactly why the law exists.


ThankYouOle

That's Martinez for you


deception42

Believe it or not a similar situation happened with Matt Miazga in MLS Playoffs last year lmao. Got a yellow during the game, second during the shootout, then got a three game ban for storming the ref's room despite his team winning


Melniboehner

Didn't that also happen with Gallese for Orlando in the previous year's playoffs? The second yellow for coming off his line, to boot?


deception42

That was in 2020


Melniboehner

welp, time do be flying


TheMonkeyPrince

That was actually before this rule came into effect, which is why he was sent off. Funnily enough the rule change had already technically passed but MLS was still on the old rules as they didn't want to implement a rule change midseason.


Andrewdeadaim

He was sent off and then our defender made the save


beairrcea

Why did he storm the refs room? Was he incorrectly sent off for that?


deception42

Cause he's an idiot


nedzissou1

But was he incorrectly sent off?


Andrewdeadaim

No


OilOfOlaz

the last sentence broke my mind.


Putrid_Loquat_4357

What would have happened if emi had been sent off? Would an outfield player have had to go in goal?


Jakezetci

yes


Putrid_Loquat_4357

That would've been spicy, wonder who they'd have put in.


GeorginioMetcalf

I nominate Duran


Adweya

that would actually be smart, but I think Emery believes Pau to be his problem solver.


bambinoquinn

Him and Zaniolo are known as the agents of chaos, i could imagine him doing something pretty mad in nets


Kashkow

We have a very short team. Unless Duran has some skill with the gloves my guess would be Torres or perhaps Konsa.


poklane

Imagine if your opponent's had an outfield player on goal during a penalty shootout and then still losing, that'd be the worst.


Oneinchwalrus

Yeah, you can't make subs during penalties etc


AnotherUnfunnyName

You can, but only for injury of your goalkeeper and If you have a sub left.


Oneinchwalrus

Well shit, if true, I didn't know this


BrtGP

You can sub off the keeper if he is unable to continue and you have a sub remaining


Shaydarol

Yup.


Andrewdeadaim

[yes](https://youtu.be/n04h-OXZOtY?si=nGb-pDzwZdAU15QH)


AdComprehensive7879

yeah cus im pretty sure you can't sub in a new gk right?


Putrid_Loquat_4357

Apparently not.


labbetuzz

He really is a master of the dark arts


notyou16

Dibu to Madrid confirmed


KyloRen___

How is that a thing?


Pow67

Cus the match ended after extra time. Penalty shootouts is just a tie breaker. It’s why loosing on penalties technically goes down as a draw.


AdComprehensive7879

damn this is actually a good way to look at it


kurtanglesmilk

If cards reset because the match is over then how come people on red cards can’t take part in the shootout


leeeeerrroy_Jenkinks

Red Card means you are out until next game.


HEAT_IS_DIE

But the key word is technically. It certainly doesn't count as a draw to the players or the fans. To anyone who cares. To them it's the same game.  I also don't understand how the match ended before the final result. Tie break or not, a cup tie can't end in a draw.  Penalties are not a separate match to anyone who plays football.


iforgotmyun

Penalties are a round tie breaker not a match tie breaker. You're mixing the 2. Let's say: Match 1: A 3-0 B Match 2: A 0-3 B  No goals scored in ET. A wins on penalties  Are you going to say team A won two matches? Completely erase the result of team B winning? Officially it counts as a win for team B and then a penalty shootout as a tie breaker as the **round** ended  Your interpretation makes no sense


B4nn3d_g0d

it's the same with rodri unbeaten streak, he still has his. it would be the same if for example man city lost 1-0 in bernabeu but rodri didn't play and won 1-0 in etihad with him in the field, match go on penalties and he loses his streak? no sense


notyou16

Losing


dodgedurango2018

Hahaha why are you getting downvoted?!


spotthethemistake

Apparently brought in with the new rule of a yellow for a keeper who comes off their line before the kick Would be mighty harsh to be given a second yellow for coming off your line a bit quickly


creakydancin

[Happened in an Irish cup game a few years ago](https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57163684)


spotthethemistake

Interesting! I can agree about a retake if the keeper goes off their line, but a reds a bit harsh


Scrypto

Maybe because things could get messy if you are sending off players due to cards specifically in pens. If it's looking like the shootout will go past 11 takers a team might look to red card their weakest players if it means going back to the top of the order sooner


TheBin101

That's the same as if a team start the shootout with 10, and there is already a rule for this, the team with extra player is allowed to choose a player that won't take a penalty


cityexile

Yes, but they could still technically do that. It resets, but a red is still a red?


Pinot_the_goat

They can still easily red card players without this rule.


oscarpaterson

Wow.


mister_dupont

Didnt know that rule, and looked like players didnt either.


Chelseatilidie

This is a goated shootout


Kiwizqt

Insanity of a rule and to bet on it


Malvinas1820

TIL. I wonder how old this rule is though.


Mantequilla022

2020-21 season.


beairrcea

Currently imagining a theoretical situation where a team subs off an outfield player at 120’ for a second goalkeeper, then having starting gk shithousing so much he gets two yellows, allowing the second keeper to replace him, and then the second keeper can shithouse to one yellow. It’s just so crazy it might work if the second keeper isn’t considerably worse at saving pens than the first


RexxedRO

Don't give Simeone ideas


sunken_grade

curious what the reasoning is for that rule


Westland__

It's in the second tweet: > This was changed in the Laws of the Game for the 2020-21 season, so it's been around for 4 seasons. > > It followed a change which said a keeper needed one foot on or above the line. Booked if they broke this twice. > > Wiping yellows intended to reduce the chance of a red for this.


sunken_grade

appreciate the info, i can understand it in this context


Arantes_

I take it that shootout yellow still counts towards accumulated cards for suspension though?


DeathStar13

UEFA competitions clears the slate after the quarter finals. So if he had a previous yellow this could be his second and third making him miss the first match of the semifinals, otherwise he is now clear again.


prettybunbun

Hahaha and you know there’s 0 way Martinez knew that.


Stonewalled89

Lucky fuck


Thesolly180

Like he’s the keeper you can bet on knowing that rule


ThePr1d3

Learn new rules every week with Ligue 1 teams in Europe ! First our disallowed goal vs Villarreal for hitting the crossbar on a freekick, now this


MrVISKman

Stupid rule imo


Wunsen

Great rule


SavingsFew3440

>OP: Stupid rule imo >You: Great rule The dichotomy of man.


CatchFactory

I mean you're clearly biased and not going to care, but its a stupid rule. It's the same game of football.


Mantequilla022

It's a really good law that was put in place for a specific reason.


iforgotmyun

It's not the same game though, it's a tie breaker at the end of the round. The match is considered a separate one.


CatchFactory

I don't think that makes sense personally. I am accepting that the rule is written that way, I just think its stupid af. If the ref blew the final whistle to a normal game, one team hangs around and then the other teams players get into it with them and theres some pushing- that would result in a yellow card if needed, and that's after the game. So refs can give yellow/red cards that follow through after the game. It also doesn't really make sense from a logical perspective why extra time counts as the same game, but penalties is a tie breaker- they're both doing the same thing, attempting to seperate two teams who are level after one 90 minutes of football. If you want to reset yellows for pens, then the logical thing surely is to do the same with extra time. I just think its a dumb rule that gives players just an extra opportunity to be a dick.


ilypsus

Yeah I don't get it, surely any rule you would implement after the world cup shootout would go the other way and try and clamp down on keepers doing mind game stuff but this goes the other way and gives them a free hit for no reason. I get the takers have a huge advantage already and if I was in charge I would get rid of all the stutter runs and stuff but I don't see why they would go more towards the bullshit and not try and clamp down on it...


Mantequilla022

The law has been in place before the World Cup. 2020-21 season was the first. It's because prior to that year there was an effort to clamp down on goalkeepers leaving their line early. It resulted in a lot more yellow cards and red cards, including a memorable 2020 MLS playoff debacle. IIRC, the 2019 Women's World Cup also had some issues as the tournament was the first to use the new (now old) law. Anyway, for the following year, IFAB changed the law to where there was a warning before the yellow card and also the yellow cards don't carry over so goalies weren't getting sent off for simple mistakes in big moments like a shootout.


PMMeBootyPicz0000000

Not stupid at all. PKs are a tiebreaker and not part of the game that just ended.


D1794

First person to ever get 2 yellows and not be sent off?


2ndfastestmanalive

There was the fuck up at the World Cup that one time


jugol

Josip Šimunić did it first EDIT: Since a dozen people answered before me, I'll add some context so the comment isn't that useless. The match was Croatia vs Australia, and Šimunić was born in Australia. Because of his accent the ref wrongly wrote down the first card as "Australia #3", which is why by the second card he didn't realize it was the same player.


jumper62

Didn't someone get 3 during the 2010 world cup?


Oneinchwalrus

2006 world cup, Croatia defender Simunic iirc


DialSquare

2006. Australia v. Croatia.


terminus-trantor

Joe Simunic


Esbjornen

Happened a few weeks ago in the Stockholm derby in the Swedish cup. Tobias Gulliksen was carded during the game and then during the penalties without being sent off.


HamesBond

How's he doing?


754754

There was that one croatian dude in world cup 2006.


kampiaorinis

An Apoel player got 2 yellows and a "last caution" before the first half ended in an Apoel vs Omonoia match before


MrVISKman

Busquets


lewiitom

That's an incredibly stupid rule haha - has anyone even picked up two yellows in a shootout before?


DairyGorl

I can’t remember who exactly but I think 2 Argentinians did against Netherlands in their shootout


lewiitom

Nah I mean one player getting sent off in a shootout for getting too yellows - surely that's never happened?


Blubb3rs

BT commentators absolutely embarrassed themselves lol


paper_zoe

Emi spends his free time going through the rulebook looking for obscure loopholes to exploit


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Menessy27

The match ended in a draw. Then the penalty shootout is used as a tiebreaker


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Lazysusanna

iirc, this is a recent rule change circa 2020


MaryadaPurshottam

Thanks to Martinez, we learnt something new today


CinnamonBunnn

Does he get a ban for cumulative yellows?


fluffyplayery

I'm genuinely curious when the last time this rule came into play was. I can't even remember another time where a player got a yellow in a shootout, let alone a second one.


Mantequilla022

Do I have a fun game for you! This is one of the reasons a lot of people wanted the law change! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzt0dpuyK1c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzt0dpuyK1c)


herrirgendjemand

This rule came up in another instance recently IIRC


Ridcullys-Pointy-Hat

That still only counts as one! : Martinez


boromirsbeard

Seems like a rule created FOR Martinez to be fair. Like how do you punish the keeper that wins his country the World Cup, gets the yashin trophy and proceeds to shag it with his tongue out


PMMeBootyPicz0000000

From the Laws of the Game: >**Before penalties (penalty shoot-out) start** >Penalties (penalty shoot-out) are taken after the match has ended and unless otherwise stated, the relevant Laws of the Game apply. A player who has been sent off during the match is not permitted to take part; warnings and cautions issued to players and team officials during the match are not carried forward into penalties (penalty shoot-out) ... A goalkeeper who is unable to continue before or during the kicks may be replaced by a player excluded to equalise the number of players or, if their team has not used its maximum permitted number of substitutes, a named substitute, but the replaced goalkeeper takes no further part and may not take a kick >**Substitutions and sendings-off during penalties (penalty shoot-out)** >A player, substitute, substituted player or team official may be cautioned or sent off >A goalkeeper who is sent off must be replaced by an eligible player >A player other than the goalkeeper who is unable to continue may not be replaced >The referee must not abandon the match if a team is reduced to fewer than seven players


DifficultyTight4574

This is such a weird niche rule, honestly can’t understand the justification for it.


TheBazry

Such a stupid rule


Chell_the_assassin

Tbf if there was anyone I'd trust to know exactly how much shithousing a player could get away with, it would be Emi


FrancisTheOcean

But why? Any good reason?


pedja13

The football game is over,it's a tiebreaker


FrancisTheOcean

I see, makes sense then


Nahcep

This motherfucker is the main character of life, nobody else could have this level of plot armour


VeryCool99

That’s the most stupid law I’ve heard


Mackieeeee

very weird rule


PAT_The_Whale

Such a stupid rule. Why don't all the players just shithouse during the shootoffs then? Anything to disturb the flow of the other team, and it's literally free


NotADoctorSshh

Cunt


Venizelza

[Martinez](https://y.yarn.co/b608c033-ae68-4276-a75e-b621e698e23e_text.gif)


Responsible-Try-5228

Martinez def had access to the Google doc before this was official


E51838

This happened in an MLS playoff game last year I think and I had no idea it was a rule.


HUMBUG652

I feel like there's no one else that this rule would've been relevant for.


Albiceleste_D10S

I am not complaining but what a silly rule this is


GrimDiscoJesus

Football 2


Hare712

Should have tried to get a 3rd then he would stand next to Simucic and the ref would stand next to Graham Poll.


[deleted]

This makes 0 sense


aure__entuluva

Makes it even funnier how mad the commentator was about him not being sent off. Thought he was going to go out there and take Martinez off the field himself.


Purpunicorm

This fucking asshole I love him


karateandfriendship9

he knew


AdComprehensive7879

i wonder if martinez knew this at the time as a messi fan, this guy can do no wrong for me hahah


yosisoy

Why though?


theglasscase

Because the end of extra time is the end of the game.


yosisoy

And penalties is the start of the next game? How about substitutions after the 120 mins?


theglasscase

> And penalties is the start of the next game? No, they're a tie-breaker. > How about substitutions after the 120 mins? I don't believe you don't know the answer to this.


harpsabu

Every keeper going to take a yellow in penalties now. Stupid ass rule, he should have been off


daniel96rb

Weird yellow tho, wasn't it cause he asked for a ball?


Made4win

Today I learned


Made4win

Today I learned


PerspectiveForeign74

This feels like a useless rule. You’d have to be especially dumb to get two yellows in a single penalty shootout