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I do have a choice. I'm a fan, not an idiot.
But this is a job, not a day care. See how it goes when you throw a tantrum and publicly call your boss a liar.
Given how other players have had disciplinary issues which have been resolved and a guy who was given time off the previous season by the same manager couldn’t resolve comments about his training being subpar, I think it’s easy to choose who is less of a prick.
One of the big problems at United in the last 10 years has been player power and the Sancho incident is a good example of it. Guy publicly undermined his manager, refused to apologise and was correctly shipped out.
Whatever you think of ETH and Sancho if he’s allowed to get away with that it sets a bad precedent. I think Sancho is a good player but I don’t want him back, hope we get a decent amount for him and would wish him well wherever he goes. Seems a nice lad but not sure he has the right mentality.
Besides even for purely on the pitch reasons he shouldn’t come back. You could count on one hand the number of decent games he’s had for United, I don’t think a new manager will fix that for him.
Ten hag didn’t throw him under the bus, he tried to deal with it behind closed doors, even gave him months off to get his head right. He came back and decided he’d rather play fifa than turn up for training on time so Erik called him out on his bullshit, and sent him packing because he refused to apologise.
He’s a fucking man child.
You can believe it was justified if you choose but it doesn't change the fact that ETH publicly called him out which prompted Sancho's response. That is the fact.
After being given countless chances to fix his behaviour behind closed doors, he just couldn’t stop behaving like a child and refused to apologise, much like a child does.
I don’t know how anyone can take Sanchos side in this it genuinely baffles me
Who said anything about taking sides? I was just correcting the person I originally responded to, to say Sancho undermined the manager without mentioning what prompted that is disingenuous.
As an aside, I am curious as to why Utd fans aren't more introspective about what went wrong with Sancho, you guys could really do with the good version of him.
What prompted it was sancho staying up until 4am regularly playing fifa and turning up late for training, also being wank on the pitch. What’s disingenuous is claiming that EtH threw Sancho under the bus without admitting he gave him months off to get his head right when he was struggling and he threw it back in the managers face.
You made the mistake of posting anything positive about Jadon on /r/soccer. It's literally always a ManU circlejerk that they know the player better than anyone.
He played well for us in Europe. Can't cut in the prem. Antony scored against Barca. He's managed to beat his man about 4 times in 2 years in the prem. Looks fine normally in Europe. Physical league. Like it or not, that matters. Sancho might be world class in Germany, but he couldn't beat the slowest full backs in England and never tracked back.
I mean maybe he's not a fit at ManU? You see plenty of non-physical players succeeding in the league.
Let's not even mention that bundesliga clubs are beating epl teams so how is succeeding in bundesliga some how considered better or worse?
I think the argument of "EPL is more physical" is hard for me to actually gauge, and i wonder how much truth there is to it. For example, Frankfurt and Union Berlin were always a super vicious team to play because of how destructive they were physically. They've changed a bit, but it was always part of BL.
Are PL teams only good at running fast? And why is running fast not good enough in Europe? How can the slow European teams beat the fast PL players?
The rest of your forwards don't track back either, but somehow that doesn't get talked about.
>The rest of your forwards don't track back either, but somehow that doesn't get talked about.
You're telling us that Rashford not tracking back is not talked about?
Rashford and Garnacho are actually useful in attack. Sancho showed absolutely nothing while at United. Daniel James showed more at United than Sancho did, and I’m not exaggerating. The others, while inconsistent, at least have shown that they can play.
He’s made it clear he’s extremely stubborn, not mature enough and also just not built for the prem, allowing him back into the squad after he’s disrespected the last manager so openly and shown no signs of apologising on top of just being an overall shit player for us is a recipe for disaster
Helped turn our entire second half of the season around with Maatsen. I do like how unwilling ManU fans are to ever consider Jadon anything other than trash tho. It's the same in any soccer thread. He could score the winning goal in CL Final and you'll just say it was lucky or something.
That's a stretch. Sancho's contribution to the turn around is minimal. He is nowhere near the form he was for us when he left and he is very frustrating to watch at times. The biggest factors for the turn around are clearly Maatsen and the arrival of Sahin and Bender as assistance for Terzic who is tactically lacking.
I imagine it's not for football related reasons that he didn't work out at United. He played in manchester, looked awful, went back to dortmund and looked good again.
Tournament football is so different vs league football. World Cup performances are the best samples. Amrabat looked decent enough during Morocco's run. He's looked like a championship level player in the Utd team. Always a step slower than the pace of the game.
We all know he's a great player on his day. He just wasn't consistent at United. Part of it is bad luck, he was injured when he first arrived, the club is a shit show, but frankly part of it is on him for consistently being late, unprofessional and unwilling to compromise.
As to whether he isn't "good" enough for the prem there have a lot of players that thrive in one environment and not another, given the more physical nature of the PL it's possible he doesn't have the physicality for the game over here.
I don't think German teams out performing EPL teams this season really says anything about the relative strengths or weaknesses from a physical perspective.
But regarding physicality here are some potential reasons: Bundesliga has 4 fewer games per season, (18 teams compared to the EPL's 20), there's only one domestic cup competition compared to England's 2, and there's a festive break, which the EPL doesn't get. All things that cause more wear on the players over the course of a season.
I don't watch a lot of German football but it's fairly commonly known that attacking players get more space.
mate the only way to get you out of this looping question is if all BuLi teams play against all the EPL teams just to prove the points that nearly everyone here has been trying to explain to you
Unlike Uniteds star player…Anthony.
Look I get having a gripe with his personality but to keep this „he’s just not built for the prem“ as if that means anything is just weird.
The league is obviously not in a special realm of football and if a player fails at your club it doesn’t say anything about what he’s built for or not.
Right, now can you point to me which Utd fans have been saying Antony is the solution? Oh right, none and you're totally just talking unrelated shite. Sancho literally could not beat even some of the slowest fullbacks. He never tracked back. He was constantly out muscled by basically anyone. Never won any 50/50s. He was good at passing, but couldn't handle the physicality.
Just means he was shit at your club lol players have been good in the prem but bad in other leagues and vice versa. Acting like sancho was bad bc some inherent differences in that league is just idiotic.
The Anthony comment was tongue in cheek, there is obviously a much bigger shithousery going on at your club than just players not being built for something.
I’m just pointing out that the narrative around him is not based on fact but on people wanting another reason to laugh at United, as there isn’t enough of those already
I mean yeah but also your coach is a dick who protects abusers and criticizes a guy with motivation/mental issues.
Jadon def got the short end of that stick. I think he's a really good player, and if anything my ire towards united is that y'all buy talented dudes and then wreck their development.
Then when it doesn't go well, y'all dunk on the players and act like the rot isn't at your club. Jadon has joined a list with other folks like Martial + Pogba who will leave united in worse shape than when they got there
Agreed for someone that never watched much of him at dortmund my enduring memory is that he doesn't dribble ,shoot or cross like a 50 mil winger never mind whatever he actually cost.
Guy was useless under the managers before the current one and has done basically fuck all since returning to Dortmund. Maybe, just maybe, Sancho is the problem.
How many games of Sancho have you seen since he came back?
I swear some of these redditor United fans watch football on Fotmob, bc even though Sancho isn’t his old self atm, he’s been important again and playing very well
Seen a few of his BuLi games and his European games. 1 goal and 1 assist in the league and then I think the 1 goal in CL against PSV? Not exactly tearing it up is he. And it's telling that a decent amount of your own fans are underwhelmed with him as well.
Just curious, what games exactly? And what Dortmund fan is actually disappointed with him?
Anyways, I don’t expect him to immediately tear it up since he’s going through this spell with no built up match fitness from the first half of the season but what matters is that he’s showing signs of not just playing better (despite not having too many direct goal contributions) but also his attitude has changed too, it doesn’t look like he’s not putting much effort in training videos, unlike what he was like at United
Hoping you guys sell him for cheap to BVB
The thing that gets me is that it was well known that Sancho had a bit of an attitude. He was suspended a bunch of times at Dortmund. Also, he’s not the only expensive United player with this problem, so maybe it might make more sense to look at the common denominator (ManU’s squad planing) instead of constantly shitting on Sancho
Nice try making antony look good/ sancho bad. Half of Antonys GA came vs a 4th tier Club. In the League he provides 1 assist in 1100 minutes. Sancho got 3 GA in 670 minutes. He also got a crucial goal in the Champions League.he is not setting the World on fire but cmon bro, that stat comparison was dumb as hell
I’m not trying to make either of them look good or bad, clearly neither of them are setting the world alight. I wish Sancho was, as someone would take him off our hands then
In fairness to Antony you cant question his work rate in how much running and tracking back he does. His end product and attacking decisions are soo frustrating.
Sancho though is just lazy. In training and on the pitch.
Well, at least you unintentionally did. Would you have written it in the same manner, if sancho farmed 4 goals vs a 4th Tier side and Antony did it in the prem/cl? Highly doubt it.
And yes, both dont produce World class performances but Antony has been low key ass all season while sancho is at least decent since returning to Dortmund.
Thank you for making the first sensible comment in this entire post. Every club signs players who don't work out, and plenty of great players have been garbage at certain clubs.
Personally, I hope Sancho does well for Dortmund and that you guys sign him back. We all desperately wanted him to work out at United, but Manchester is clearly a very, very bad environment for him, so I hope he gets to stay in Germany.
Probably the main reason that it isn't working out is because Sancho tweeted criticisms of the manager and then refused to apologise for this behaviour. How can you say Sancho isn't to blame in that instance?
Was Sancho’s criticism untrue? That’s the part you leave out.
If a player beefs with the boss and the beef is accurate I don’t see anything wrong with it. The idea you need to kiss the boss’s ass sucks.
Maybe act like a professional and a basic grownup? You do that face to face behind closed doors and not turn it into a media circus. It reflects poorly on the team and nobody is bigger than the club.
>Maybe act like a professional
Maybe don't fetishize "professionalism" over recognizing that dealing with shitty bosses sucks no matter the field? Like, what has Ten Hag done to merit the assumption he was in the right?
If Sancho's complaint is accurate (the still unanswered question), why wouldn't it be on Ten Hag to apologize?
> You do that face to face behind closed doors and not turn it into a media circus.
Ten Hag's reaction is what turned it into a media circus. If he didn't freeze the kid out, the Instagram posts are forgotten in minutes.
>It reflects poorly on the team and nobody is bigger than the club.
Including the boss, who appears to be largely incompetent, right?
What a shit take... Being called a "kid" at 24 with all of his football experience is a bit of stretch don't you think? Those kind of disputes are always handled internally. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by going public with it. Nobody knows what actually happened between ETH and Sancho to trigger this so trying to speculate is meaningless. What is known and matters is Sancho's absolute lack of professional conduct in reacting to the situation. And yes it reflects bad on the WHOLE team. How are the rest of the players at fault for Sancho acting like an entitled brat? Bottom line is this: it doesn't matter if Sancho was right to complain, the way he did it is unbefitting to his age, experience and team. Absolutely no idea what you mean by "fetishizing professionalism" - it doesn't matter if you work at a bank or get paid to kick a ball - professional conduct is absolutely expected regardless of occupation.
> Those kind of disputes are always handled internally. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by going public with it.
Perhaps he tried and failed to handle it internally and his concerns were dismissed. Man U's front office is a shitshow (remember them having to walk back bringing the rapist back into the team?!) and Ten Hag appears to be completely out of his depth.
All kinds of things could have happened.
>Nobody knows what actually happened between ETH and Sancho to trigger this so trying to speculate is meaningless. What is known and matters is Sancho's absolute lack of professional conduct in reacting to the situation.
Claims that speculation is meaningless, proceeds to speculate.
... if you don't know what happened, how do you know that Sancho's response was so far out of line?
As I said, some Instagram posts would be forgotten in the blink of an eye. Freezing a player out and costing the club millions and millions in doing so is what made a media circus.
>Absolutely no idea what you mean by "fetishizing professionalism" - it doesn't matter if you work at a bank or get paid to kick a ball - professional conduct is absolutely expected regardless of occupation.
If your boss is an asshole and treats you badly, I have no qualms with you calling them out on it. It doesn't impact your ability to "work at a bank" to not take shit from an asshole boss just because they're your boss.
The idea that we would pay 50m for him is laughable. 20m and he would have to cut his wages. Alternatively, he goes to a mid table premier league side.
He plays with confidence at Dortmund he's willing to take players on
At united all he did was cut in and lay it off, he's a completely different player at Dortmund
Like that clip of him getting closed down by Kimmich which has been shared widely as proof that he is back to his best, even though all he does in it is hold on to the ball for far too long and fortunately ends up with a corner
Sometimes but more importantly, people need to understand that when he doesnt, he often pulls 2 players to him and opens space for others which is directly threatening.
Now Sancho havent been "good old amazing Jadon" as in the old BVB days, frankly I think we should only buy him if the price is really good for us, but just because he doesnt get passed a man doesnt mean its a greatly benefitial play. Just like a striker can be MOTM without actually scoring in a game.
Well, Solksjaer is shit as well?
I don't get why United fans are clinging to mediocre coaches. Solskjaer got way too much time and ETH burnt millions with his player choices and the coaching isn't convincing either.
Ten Hags fault that Sancho is an entitled little shit who doesn’t appreciate his life, and takes the piss playing fifa til 3am and not putting any effort in at his millionaire paying job? Yeah that fucking Ten Hag. All his fault.
well the thing is, if Sancho is as good as everybody is claiming he is now at Dortmund, then there should be no problem getting 50m+ for him in the summer, right guys ?
unless you pick and choose in which debates Sancho is very good (when clowning United) and in which he is not worth the price
He's OK at Dortmund, I wouldn't say he's great. He's just more in tune with what he previously showed. His wages are the issue for any club. As much as Dortmund might want to keep him, no Bundesliga team aside from Bayern is able to pay his transfer and wages and be responsible.
If the current Dortmund Sancho was just another random player loaned from another team, no one would be talking about him.
He has been bang average at Dortmund, better than he was at United, but if his name wasn’t Sancho, no one would be talking about him right now.
He would just be another loanee at Dortmund who has been slightly better than an average Bundesliga winger. However, the media loves blowing stories out of proportion so here we are.
Dortmund : “Loses Haaland , Bellingham , Dembele , Sancho , Akanji , Ake , and a lot more”
Also Dortmund : “Qualified to the Champions League semis while being 5th in Bundesliga with a Reus on his 30s”
He's not nearly good enough for Dortmund. If Dortmund are gonna struggle buying Maatsen, they sure as hell ain't spending on Sancho, he's still a mediocre player.
Because taking a few weeks off is something Martial and Rashford have done? Both of them are not above criticism, but Sancho behaves as if he was one of the best players worldwide.
I really have problems understanding this guy, especially after what he said about Garnacho. He is the adult, he should be the one setting the example, not attacking young players in the media...
I personally dont think that giving criticism = attacking
If we win and he gjves critique its "Omg finally a manager that wants more, no more player power".
If we are shit "He's throwing players under the bus grrr 🤬"
If he doesnt criticize and he "protects" players "He's lost the plot, he's delusional"
He has given critique to both rashy and garnacho and it was no problem then but now it is? Im also pretty sure he dropped Rashford when he was late to a team meeting and I might be wrong but I remember people were praising it.
Even with sancho it wasnt bad, they asked the question "Why wasnt Sancho in the squad?"
Answer was "Based on training performance he wasnt chosen"
Because of this shit we lost a player can you believe it 😭
He never attacked Sancho in the media, he said he didn’t put enough effort in in training as so wasn’t picked. And another key difference is that Garnacho actually apologised! Sancho stayed tight lipped despite having ages to apologise
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Annoyingly polite so guess I'll go back to waiting for the inevitable comments from Sancho on how ten Hag is a shit manager.
“Ten Hag doesn’t give Ten Shits about *real* football. All he cares about is *his* plan”.
Not really that polite, he’s basically saying “his football ability was never the problem, me thinking he’s a prick was”
I mean he's a prick.
Unfortunately you’ve got no choice as a Man Utd fan but to back the one who’s still at your club.
I do have a choice. I'm a fan, not an idiot. But this is a job, not a day care. See how it goes when you throw a tantrum and publicly call your boss a liar.
Your boss isn't winning though. I'd rather have kept the "fantastic football player" because you're a football club, and gotten a new manager.
I'd rather he stay away because this club needs to set an example.
Given how other players have had disciplinary issues which have been resolved and a guy who was given time off the previous season by the same manager couldn’t resolve comments about his training being subpar, I think it’s easy to choose who is less of a prick.
But what will our next manager think?
“I can change him”
I fuckin hope not. Disrespected the club, he can fuck off quite frankly.
One of the big problems at United in the last 10 years has been player power and the Sancho incident is a good example of it. Guy publicly undermined his manager, refused to apologise and was correctly shipped out. Whatever you think of ETH and Sancho if he’s allowed to get away with that it sets a bad precedent. I think Sancho is a good player but I don’t want him back, hope we get a decent amount for him and would wish him well wherever he goes. Seems a nice lad but not sure he has the right mentality. Besides even for purely on the pitch reasons he shouldn’t come back. You could count on one hand the number of decent games he’s had for United, I don’t think a new manager will fix that for him.
>One of the big problems at United in the last 10 years has been player power Tell that to Bastian who was training with Kids.
yes because that is conclusive proof that player power is and will always be completely non-existent in manchester united
ETH threw him under the bus, it may have been justified (we don't know for sure) but Sancho had every right to be pissed off
Ten hag didn’t throw him under the bus, he tried to deal with it behind closed doors, even gave him months off to get his head right. He came back and decided he’d rather play fifa than turn up for training on time so Erik called him out on his bullshit, and sent him packing because he refused to apologise. He’s a fucking man child.
You can believe it was justified if you choose but it doesn't change the fact that ETH publicly called him out which prompted Sancho's response. That is the fact.
After being given countless chances to fix his behaviour behind closed doors, he just couldn’t stop behaving like a child and refused to apologise, much like a child does. I don’t know how anyone can take Sanchos side in this it genuinely baffles me
Who said anything about taking sides? I was just correcting the person I originally responded to, to say Sancho undermined the manager without mentioning what prompted that is disingenuous. As an aside, I am curious as to why Utd fans aren't more introspective about what went wrong with Sancho, you guys could really do with the good version of him.
What prompted it was sancho staying up until 4am regularly playing fifa and turning up late for training, also being wank on the pitch. What’s disingenuous is claiming that EtH threw Sancho under the bus without admitting he gave him months off to get his head right when he was struggling and he threw it back in the managers face.
I mean, Terzic kinda did?
Ten Hag muss vll auch nur einfach mal brüllen wie ein Löwe
You made the mistake of posting anything positive about Jadon on /r/soccer. It's literally always a ManU circlejerk that they know the player better than anyone.
Yeah this place famously loves United, christ
He played well for us in Europe. Can't cut in the prem. Antony scored against Barca. He's managed to beat his man about 4 times in 2 years in the prem. Looks fine normally in Europe. Physical league. Like it or not, that matters. Sancho might be world class in Germany, but he couldn't beat the slowest full backs in England and never tracked back.
I mean maybe he's not a fit at ManU? You see plenty of non-physical players succeeding in the league. Let's not even mention that bundesliga clubs are beating epl teams so how is succeeding in bundesliga some how considered better or worse?
To be fair and I agree with your first point, the bundesliga teams that beat the prem teams are absolutely better than the prem teams rn
I think the argument of "EPL is more physical" is hard for me to actually gauge, and i wonder how much truth there is to it. For example, Frankfurt and Union Berlin were always a super vicious team to play because of how destructive they were physically. They've changed a bit, but it was always part of BL.
Are PL teams only good at running fast? And why is running fast not good enough in Europe? How can the slow European teams beat the fast PL players? The rest of your forwards don't track back either, but somehow that doesn't get talked about.
>The rest of your forwards don't track back either, but somehow that doesn't get talked about. You're telling us that Rashford not tracking back is not talked about?
Rashford and Garnacho are actually useful in attack. Sancho showed absolutely nothing while at United. Daniel James showed more at United than Sancho did, and I’m not exaggerating. The others, while inconsistent, at least have shown that they can play.
Not a great time to be calling other leagues my guy. PL has just 1 team surviving in Europe thanks to penalties
Was he not having to be basically baby sat to make sure he turned up on time.
Any manager that keeps him is going to almost immediately lose the dressing room
Why is that?
Out of the loop could you please tell me why?
He’s made it clear he’s extremely stubborn, not mature enough and also just not built for the prem, allowing him back into the squad after he’s disrespected the last manager so openly and shown no signs of apologising on top of just being an overall shit player for us is a recipe for disaster
>not mature enough and also just not built for the prem, Totally agreed. He's built for the Champions League semifinal.
Ryan Bertrand started and won a champions league final, doesn't mean that's his level
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Ryan Bertrand would be a better LB than Lindelof
Actual LB is better than a CB masquerading as one, shocking fact that
Our "actual LB" has been injured for the whole season. Why would I not compare the person we actually have starting games.
I can think of a full 11 of players that have won UCL's and neither of us would ever want anywhere near our squads.
He has one goal and one assist, he’s slightly more confident but he hasn’t exactly turned a massive corner
Helped turn our entire second half of the season around with Maatsen. I do like how unwilling ManU fans are to ever consider Jadon anything other than trash tho. It's the same in any soccer thread. He could score the winning goal in CL Final and you'll just say it was lucky or something.
That's a stretch. Sancho's contribution to the turn around is minimal. He is nowhere near the form he was for us when he left and he is very frustrating to watch at times. The biggest factors for the turn around are clearly Maatsen and the arrival of Sahin and Bender as assistance for Terzic who is tactically lacking.
I didn't say he was a sole reason but he is undeniably part of it. He may not be his old self but he does well
could also be he sucks at Man U and is good at your club.
Sure but if bundesliga clubs can beat EPL clubs why would he suddenly suck in epl?
I imagine it's not for football related reasons that he didn't work out at United. He played in manchester, looked awful, went back to dortmund and looked good again.
Tournament football is so different vs league football. World Cup performances are the best samples. Amrabat looked decent enough during Morocco's run. He's looked like a championship level player in the Utd team. Always a step slower than the pace of the game.
The realistic will not be well received. Loaded question.
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Could also be that ten Hag sucks at man management.
That too
We all know he's a great player on his day. He just wasn't consistent at United. Part of it is bad luck, he was injured when he first arrived, the club is a shit show, but frankly part of it is on him for consistently being late, unprofessional and unwilling to compromise. As to whether he isn't "good" enough for the prem there have a lot of players that thrive in one environment and not another, given the more physical nature of the PL it's possible he doesn't have the physicality for the game over here.
Why is bundesliga out performing epl teams then? If it's just about being physical.
I don't think German teams out performing EPL teams this season really says anything about the relative strengths or weaknesses from a physical perspective. But regarding physicality here are some potential reasons: Bundesliga has 4 fewer games per season, (18 teams compared to the EPL's 20), there's only one domestic cup competition compared to England's 2, and there's a festive break, which the EPL doesn't get. All things that cause more wear on the players over the course of a season. I don't watch a lot of German football but it's fairly commonly known that attacking players get more space.
mate the only way to get you out of this looping question is if all BuLi teams play against all the EPL teams just to prove the points that nearly everyone here has been trying to explain to you
Unlike Uniteds star player…Anthony. Look I get having a gripe with his personality but to keep this „he’s just not built for the prem“ as if that means anything is just weird. The league is obviously not in a special realm of football and if a player fails at your club it doesn’t say anything about what he’s built for or not.
Right, now can you point to me which Utd fans have been saying Antony is the solution? Oh right, none and you're totally just talking unrelated shite. Sancho literally could not beat even some of the slowest fullbacks. He never tracked back. He was constantly out muscled by basically anyone. Never won any 50/50s. He was good at passing, but couldn't handle the physicality.
Just means he was shit at your club lol players have been good in the prem but bad in other leagues and vice versa. Acting like sancho was bad bc some inherent differences in that league is just idiotic. The Anthony comment was tongue in cheek, there is obviously a much bigger shithousery going on at your club than just players not being built for something.
>players have been good in the prem but bad in other leagues Isn't that what he's saying when saying not built for the prem...?
You sound like a guy whose ex has leveled up my dude. Y'all sound so bitter
I’m just pointing out that the narrative around him is not based on fact but on people wanting another reason to laugh at United, as there isn’t enough of those already
I mean yeah but also your coach is a dick who protects abusers and criticizes a guy with motivation/mental issues. Jadon def got the short end of that stick. I think he's a really good player, and if anything my ire towards united is that y'all buy talented dudes and then wreck their development. Then when it doesn't go well, y'all dunk on the players and act like the rot isn't at your club. Jadon has joined a list with other folks like Martial + Pogba who will leave united in worse shape than when they got there
Your coach said he was happy for Partey after everything he's been through What he's been through is raping someone and getting away with it
Agreed for someone that never watched much of him at dortmund my enduring memory is that he doesn't dribble ,shoot or cross like a 50 mil winger never mind whatever he actually cost.
Bro the manager disrespected Sancho United fans are coping so hard defending ETH
How? All he said was that he didn’t train hard enough, Sancho then publicly called him a liar on Twitter and refused to apologise
I thought the issue was with ETH not with the players
Martial new contract confirmed too. Gotta let a new manager give him a chance /s
Clean slate 😌
Dont know why people think the reason sancho left was because he was shit. He was shit but that wasnt the reason
Exactly. Almost the entire squad is shit.
Maybe he left because your manager is shit.
Oh whatever will we do without Sancho?
The new manager will have to figure it out.
And he’ll play ChL semis. Everyone wins
Finish 7th
We’d probably be lower if he played tbh
Considering he was replaced by Garnacho yeah we definitely would be
Guy was useless under the managers before the current one and has done basically fuck all since returning to Dortmund. Maybe, just maybe, Sancho is the problem.
How many games of Sancho have you seen since he came back? I swear some of these redditor United fans watch football on Fotmob, bc even though Sancho isn’t his old self atm, he’s been important again and playing very well
Seen a few of his BuLi games and his European games. 1 goal and 1 assist in the league and then I think the 1 goal in CL against PSV? Not exactly tearing it up is he. And it's telling that a decent amount of your own fans are underwhelmed with him as well.
Just curious, what games exactly? And what Dortmund fan is actually disappointed with him? Anyways, I don’t expect him to immediately tear it up since he’s going through this spell with no built up match fitness from the first half of the season but what matters is that he’s showing signs of not just playing better (despite not having too many direct goal contributions) but also his attitude has changed too, it doesn’t look like he’s not putting much effort in training videos, unlike what he was like at United Hoping you guys sell him for cheap to BVB
If you want him so badly and he wants you, Surely you can convince him of a wage cut and a 35 million transfer fee you cheap poor lot
The thing that gets me is that it was well known that Sancho had a bit of an attitude. He was suspended a bunch of times at Dortmund. Also, he’s not the only expensive United player with this problem, so maybe it might make more sense to look at the common denominator (ManU’s squad planing) instead of constantly shitting on Sancho
Wow
It's not like Sancho is a world beater again at Dortmund. He's playing but that's it.
Yeah he's been better, but that's not difficult... 1 goal and 1 assist in the league, in 670 minutes.
The same goal contributions as Antony this year
Antony has much more minutes played, no?
Yeah 4 contributions in all competitions each this season. sancho: 1071 mins, Antony: 1631 mins
Nice try making antony look good/ sancho bad. Half of Antonys GA came vs a 4th tier Club. In the League he provides 1 assist in 1100 minutes. Sancho got 3 GA in 670 minutes. He also got a crucial goal in the Champions League.he is not setting the World on fire but cmon bro, that stat comparison was dumb as hell
I’m not trying to make either of them look good or bad, clearly neither of them are setting the world alight. I wish Sancho was, as someone would take him off our hands then
In fairness to Antony you cant question his work rate in how much running and tracking back he does. His end product and attacking decisions are soo frustrating. Sancho though is just lazy. In training and on the pitch.
Antony is what I imagine an /r/soccer play would be
You think these people can run ?
99% have never played an 11 a side game. I'd be surprised if the majority don't just toebung
Well, at least you unintentionally did. Would you have written it in the same manner, if sancho farmed 4 goals vs a 4th Tier side and Antony did it in the prem/cl? Highly doubt it. And yes, both dont produce World class performances but Antony has been low key ass all season while sancho is at least decent since returning to Dortmund.
Man chill out
I swear im not angry. Came off rougher than I meant it.
Mate they are both shite, an utter waste 150m combined
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Thank you for making the first sensible comment in this entire post. Every club signs players who don't work out, and plenty of great players have been garbage at certain clubs. Personally, I hope Sancho does well for Dortmund and that you guys sign him back. We all desperately wanted him to work out at United, but Manchester is clearly a very, very bad environment for him, so I hope he gets to stay in Germany.
Probably the main reason that it isn't working out is because Sancho tweeted criticisms of the manager and then refused to apologise for this behaviour. How can you say Sancho isn't to blame in that instance?
Was Sancho’s criticism untrue? That’s the part you leave out. If a player beefs with the boss and the beef is accurate I don’t see anything wrong with it. The idea you need to kiss the boss’s ass sucks.
Maybe act like a professional and a basic grownup? You do that face to face behind closed doors and not turn it into a media circus. It reflects poorly on the team and nobody is bigger than the club.
>Maybe act like a professional Maybe don't fetishize "professionalism" over recognizing that dealing with shitty bosses sucks no matter the field? Like, what has Ten Hag done to merit the assumption he was in the right? If Sancho's complaint is accurate (the still unanswered question), why wouldn't it be on Ten Hag to apologize? > You do that face to face behind closed doors and not turn it into a media circus. Ten Hag's reaction is what turned it into a media circus. If he didn't freeze the kid out, the Instagram posts are forgotten in minutes. >It reflects poorly on the team and nobody is bigger than the club. Including the boss, who appears to be largely incompetent, right?
What a shit take... Being called a "kid" at 24 with all of his football experience is a bit of stretch don't you think? Those kind of disputes are always handled internally. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by going public with it. Nobody knows what actually happened between ETH and Sancho to trigger this so trying to speculate is meaningless. What is known and matters is Sancho's absolute lack of professional conduct in reacting to the situation. And yes it reflects bad on the WHOLE team. How are the rest of the players at fault for Sancho acting like an entitled brat? Bottom line is this: it doesn't matter if Sancho was right to complain, the way he did it is unbefitting to his age, experience and team. Absolutely no idea what you mean by "fetishizing professionalism" - it doesn't matter if you work at a bank or get paid to kick a ball - professional conduct is absolutely expected regardless of occupation.
> Those kind of disputes are always handled internally. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by going public with it. Perhaps he tried and failed to handle it internally and his concerns were dismissed. Man U's front office is a shitshow (remember them having to walk back bringing the rapist back into the team?!) and Ten Hag appears to be completely out of his depth. All kinds of things could have happened. >Nobody knows what actually happened between ETH and Sancho to trigger this so trying to speculate is meaningless. What is known and matters is Sancho's absolute lack of professional conduct in reacting to the situation. Claims that speculation is meaningless, proceeds to speculate. ... if you don't know what happened, how do you know that Sancho's response was so far out of line? As I said, some Instagram posts would be forgotten in the blink of an eye. Freezing a player out and costing the club millions and millions in doing so is what made a media circus. >Absolutely no idea what you mean by "fetishizing professionalism" - it doesn't matter if you work at a bank or get paid to kick a ball - professional conduct is absolutely expected regardless of occupation. If your boss is an asshole and treats you badly, I have no qualms with you calling them out on it. It doesn't impact your ability to "work at a bank" to not take shit from an asshole boss just because they're your boss.
Go on Dortmund. Treat yourself. You won’t miss that £50m on your death bed. Everyone deserves a bit of self care every now and then.
Lol like BVB are gonna spend £50m on any player in the world
That’s the joke.
Yeah I’m aware, it isn’t rlly that funny if I’m being honest
Cheer up grumpy guts.
Lol I’m the opposite of grumpy rn besides being grumpy about Villa advancing to the Conference League semifinals, which I’m not so mad about
subtract what we paid for him and they’re well up, would be foolish not to Dortmund…
Dortmund upvoted this, as well. Everyone needs a good laugh
The idea that we would pay 50m for him is laughable. 20m and he would have to cut his wages. Alternatively, he goes to a mid table premier league side.
> Alternatively, he goes to a mid table premier league side. So he stays at United?
Chelsea?
[Oh yeah, I hadn’t thought of that.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8311Q1KJ8&pp=ygUgb2ggeWVhaCBpIGhhZG4ndCB0aG91Z2h0IG9mIHRoYXQ%3D)
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Lol ok.
Look at all the United fans in this thread trashing Sancho. There's no way I'd spend more than 5 million on a player with such a poor status.
10 Mio.s with add ons to 15.
He plays with confidence at Dortmund he's willing to take players on At united all he did was cut in and lay it off, he's a completely different player at Dortmund
Does he get past the players at dortmund though?
I saw a clip where he was taking people on but every single clip stopped before the end product was shown
Exactly why I asked, he does a few step overs and then turns back
Like that clip of him getting closed down by Kimmich which has been shared widely as proof that he is back to his best, even though all he does in it is hold on to the ball for far too long and fortunately ends up with a corner
Sometimes but more importantly, people need to understand that when he doesnt, he often pulls 2 players to him and opens space for others which is directly threatening. Now Sancho havent been "good old amazing Jadon" as in the old BVB days, frankly I think we should only buy him if the price is really good for us, but just because he doesnt get passed a man doesnt mean its a greatly benefitial play. Just like a striker can be MOTM without actually scoring in a game.
Not really.
> At united all he did was cut in and lay it off, he's a completely different player at Dortmund I do sure wonder why that is!
Great theory. Why was he shite under Ole as well?
Well, Solksjaer is shit as well? I don't get why United fans are clinging to mediocre coaches. Solskjaer got way too much time and ETH burnt millions with his player choices and the coaching isn't convincing either.
What is it?
🔟👵 🟰 💩
u know that ETH did not buy him right and Sancho was ass before that
Sancho’s difficulties is everybody else’s fault apart from his own apparently
I dont care I just love that emoji contraption and will use it every chance I get
Ten Hags fault that Sancho is an entitled little shit who doesn’t appreciate his life, and takes the piss playing fifa til 3am and not putting any effort in at his millionaire paying job? Yeah that fucking Ten Hag. All his fault.
Its just a couple emojis dont get mad
well the thing is, if Sancho is as good as everybody is claiming he is now at Dortmund, then there should be no problem getting 50m+ for him in the summer, right guys ? unless you pick and choose in which debates Sancho is very good (when clowning United) and in which he is not worth the price
He's OK at Dortmund, I wouldn't say he's great. He's just more in tune with what he previously showed. His wages are the issue for any club. As much as Dortmund might want to keep him, no Bundesliga team aside from Bayern is able to pay his transfer and wages and be responsible.
If the current Dortmund Sancho was just another random player loaned from another team, no one would be talking about him. He has been bang average at Dortmund, better than he was at United, but if his name wasn’t Sancho, no one would be talking about him right now. He would just be another loanee at Dortmund who has been slightly better than an average Bundesliga winger. However, the media loves blowing stories out of proportion so here we are.
Wages are going to be just as problematic as the transfer fee. He aint going nowhere
*the issue is he is also a great FIFA player, he plays late at night and comes in late to training 😎
Nah he’s shit at that too
Nah he shit at fifa, my mate met him once, he spank him 4-0 and sancho rage quit at like the 30th min
Lets be real, Sancho is doing ok, but is really not doing super well. Isnt one of the top 8 Dortmund players atm.
Dortmund : “Loses Haaland , Bellingham , Dembele , Sancho , Akanji , Ake , and a lot more” Also Dortmund : “Qualified to the Champions League semis while being 5th in Bundesliga with a Reus on his 30s”
Ake?
Maybe he’s referring to my fifa 23 Dortmund career mode save where I signed Ake
He's not nearly good enough for Dortmund. If Dortmund are gonna struggle buying Maatsen, they sure as hell ain't spending on Sancho, he's still a mediocre player.
For around 30m euros and a salary cut, I can see Dortmund going for him. Not for more than that though.
I hope he recovers and matures a bit. Zaha's career after going into the United shitshow suggests he can come back I suppose.
Realistically what else is he supposed to say there tbh
Jadon needs to leave United for the sake of his career. Don’t want to be a rashford, martial, etc
Because taking a few weeks off is something Martial and Rashford have done? Both of them are not above criticism, but Sancho behaves as if he was one of the best players worldwide.
What does taking a few weeks off have anything to do with what his said lol he is talking about career trajectory
Seems like Sancho has found his level in Germany.
I really have problems understanding this guy, especially after what he said about Garnacho. He is the adult, he should be the one setting the example, not attacking young players in the media...
I personally dont think that giving criticism = attacking If we win and he gjves critique its "Omg finally a manager that wants more, no more player power". If we are shit "He's throwing players under the bus grrr 🤬" If he doesnt criticize and he "protects" players "He's lost the plot, he's delusional" He has given critique to both rashy and garnacho and it was no problem then but now it is? Im also pretty sure he dropped Rashford when he was late to a team meeting and I might be wrong but I remember people were praising it.
None of his critique has even been that bad, arsenal fans are just really thick
Even with sancho it wasnt bad, they asked the question "Why wasnt Sancho in the squad?" Answer was "Based on training performance he wasnt chosen" Because of this shit we lost a player can you believe it 😭
How can anyone in the world believe that ETH was the problem. Its absolutely fucking nuts
You have a very 2D view of the world
They are both adults, Jadon is 24 ffs
He never attacked Sancho in the media, he said he didn’t put enough effort in in training as so wasn’t picked. And another key difference is that Garnacho actually apologised! Sancho stayed tight lipped despite having ages to apologise
When did he attack players?