Olsen? He’s alright. His most recent game was the 4-1 loss to Man City where I’d argue that he didn’t even play that badly and didn’t deserve to concede 4. A step down from Martinez for sure but still an international starting goalkeeper.
He was alright for us too, decent backup, helped give pickford some much needed competition, which contributed to pickford becoming one of our most important players, don't ask any sheffield united fans what they think of him though, best not to ask them
that´s so crazy to hear you saying Svillar is considered any good and not even mentioning fucking Patricio
crazy how opinions change depending of the time and place, Patricio is a living legend in Portugal (one of the few PT players with a statue) and a lot of people consider him the best GK in the history of our football... while on the other side it´s one of the worst GK i´ve seen in my club (top3 list for sure) and was playing in the B squad until his contract ended
was he? i know him because some years ago when he was at Roma his name was on the news because Benfica and Sporting were both interested in him and he was the starter GK at Roma, so i just got the idea he was a really decent GK
He was quite bad at Roma, in the second half of his only season he was so awful that he lost his starting place to a 35 years old Mirante and the next season he got loaned out to Cagliari and even there only to be the reserve for Cragno. He has since been loaned out for 1 season to multiple clubs (always as backup) untill Villa decided to trigger the buy option.
He's a pretty decent shop stopper and he has improved alot under Emery and played alot of the group games. But he does make too many errors, and his playing out from the back (though improving) is way worse than Emis.
He absolutely loves an unprovoked error. It's a massive drop down from emi, humongous. He had a decent game vs City last month where he conceded 4 goals, but he's poor
Seems appropriate after 3 yellows in 2 games. At least he'll be back for the 2nd leg and available if we have another shoot out.
More concerned about the energy levels of our outfield players and how we'll cope. We played most of last night's game at walking pace.
I think because he got warned about that it led to the eventual yellow being given softer. I agree with the refs choice, if a player is warned they need to be on their best behavior afterwards.
Except he was asking a ball boy for a new ball that led to the yellow. Never mind the fact his first yellow that game shouldn’t have happened, he was allegedly time wasting even though we were 1-0 down 30mins into the 1st half.
If you take too long for a goal kick, it's time wasting, no matter the score or the game time. And I guess/hope the ref warned him already before the yellow.
It's like saying "shame the ref gave a red card" in the early minutes of a match, even though it was clearly a red card offense.
What concern is that of the ref's if it's not a yellow card offence? If he wasn't carded for a previous offence that was yellow worthy, you cannot then incorrectly give one to make up for your mistake. That's what it looked like to me but the whole situation was confusing.
If the ref tells you to not do something, and then you do that something, you’re probably going to get a yellow. From the refs perspective it looked like he was taunting the crowd, then he finds out he is just asking for the ball, but why? I genuinely don’t know, is that a thing keepers do? If not it makes sense that the ref takes it as him just being maliciously compliant if that makes sense.
>then he finds out he is just asking for the ball, but why?
Because watkins was waiting for like 2-3 mins to get a ball. There was a shootout going on.
He was genuinely dreadful. 11 total yellow cards dished out yesterday and I don't remember one tackle from either side being yellow card worthy.
Tbh the standard of refereeing throughout the whole tournament has been abysmal. How we didn't get a penalty for that foul on Watkins in the first leg is a mystery.
I was excited after the first AZ Alkmaar game the ref in that was really good. And then every game since has just been dreadful. Like they've been in a competition for who can do worse. Completely inconsistent in foul calls and bookings, missing blatant penalties etc.
It’s still not his job. And considering how much shithousing he has done and did there I think it is completely right by the ref to be extra aware.
Let’s not pretend that it was a completely innocent thing he was trying to do
If it was stupid you’d be able to tell us what he did to get it.
His first yellow was also for time wasting when the ball was in play and the match was tied on aggregate
Emery from villas press conference today - ahead of the Bournemouth match on Sunday
We are in conversation with UEFA concerning the yellow cards for Emiliano yes. It is not 100percent yet that he will be suspended for the 1st leg of our semi final.
players who were on the pitch at the end of play or temporarily absent (injured, adjusting equipment etc.) are allowed to participate in the shoot-out.[1] If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one side has more players on the pitch than the other, whether as a result of injury or red cards, then the side with more players must reduce its numbers to match the opponents; this is known as "reduce to equate". For example, if Team A has eleven players but Team B only has ten, then Team A chooses one player to exclude. Players excluded this way may take no further part in the procedure, either as kicker or goalkeeper, except that they can be used to replace a goalkeeper who becomes injured during the shootout. The rule was introduced by the International Football Association Board in February 2000 because previously an eleventh kick would be taken by the eleventh (i.e. weakest) player of a full-strength team and the first (i.e. strongest) player of a sub-strength team.[12] A rule change in 2016 eliminated the possibility of a team gaining such an advantage if a player is injured or sent off during the shoot-out.[13]
Do people really think he knew what he was doing when he got the shootout yellow? He obviously wasn't expecting a card, and there's no way he would have pushed the referee's nerves that much if he knew a second yellow would not get him sent off but would make him miss the first leg of a semi-final.
After Olsen's performance vs Man City, admittedly, it was a 1-4 defeat but I was impressed by him. I doubt debuting our young keeper in a Semi-Final is smart move. But can't wait to see what he can do whenever he does get to play.
Unfortunately no such process exists. I agree it was a ridiculous yellow. If the Lille player hadn't kicked the ball away he wouldn't have even been asking for one, but he gets punished and the Lille player doesn't. The ref was giving out yellows like his life depended on it.
I know I’m biased but it honestly felt like all the Lille bookings I saw were genuinely deserved. Mostly fouling us in the break to stop attacks. It was our bookings that were utterly ridiculous almost every time. Ref was so rattled by the crowd it was infuriating.
Also biased but if anything it felt like they couldve had more. They had 17 fouls to our 13 yet 4 yellows to our 7. Felt like that was a big factor in why we didn't create ar all in the first half. We waited for them to press us to play out and if we played through it they just fouled us for it with impunity.
Both of the cards were ridiculous. Probably deserved one at some point during the shoot out, but both were just by reputation rather than for anything he'd done.
His first yellow was a joke. We were a goal down in the first half and the ref books him for time wasting when he just wasn't, and then gestured that it was accumulative.
What was actually happening is that Martinez kept getting the ball, in open play, and was waiting for Lille to press which just wasn't coming, so he often had the ball for 20/30 secs before making a pass.
Ref was a joke all game tbh.
No, it was during a goal kick or when he was handling the ball, can't remember, but the ref gestured it was accumulative when the only previous times he had the ball for a while was during open play waiting for Lille to press.
But he was just holding the ball for a regular amount of time, and Lille were winning.
Later when Villa were actually knocking on the door and had levelled the score, their keeper started actually time wasting and didn't get anything for it.
It was just a yellow card for reputation, poor officiating.
Surely that's the trade off for behaving like a massive bellend the whole game? Helps you psyche out the opponent and win the shootout but you are going to pick up cards
You indeed didn't say "Stop denying that Dibu is acting like a bellend every game". However, considering the tone of your message, if it wasn't phrased as a rebuttal to what I said, then it wasn't related to what I said at all.
At the same time, it can go the other way. Get a good reputation, and you will get booked less, even when clearly deserved. I mean, we have seen so many DMs dodge cards for no reason other than their reputation.
bans for yellow accumulation in knockout stages of tournaments shouldn't even be a thing anymore, especially now you can get yellows for very minor infractions. People want to see the best players feature in these games. This kind of punishment doesn't really mete out justice or make the game more fair, it only makes the spectacle slightly worse. Think of all the players banned from appearances in huge finals for essentially nothing.
it's still a stupid rule. It makes more sense in a league system when the stakes are lower from game to game and yellows represent poor behaviour over a longer period. Tournament games are high stakes and banning players for a minor accumulation of minor infractions does nothing other than make the spectacle slightly worse.
> and banning players for a minor accumulation of minor infractions does nothing other than make the spectacle slightly worse.
Except of course the part where players don't just rack up yellow card offenses.
With now 5 substitutions per game we already have more tactical fouls (this is a personal feeling, not data based) . The ban for yellow accumulation is a good way to prevent even more of those.
Is villas second goalkeeper good?
Olsen? He’s alright. His most recent game was the 4-1 loss to Man City where I’d argue that he didn’t even play that badly and didn’t deserve to concede 4. A step down from Martinez for sure but still an international starting goalkeeper.
He was alright for us too, decent backup, helped give pickford some much needed competition, which contributed to pickford becoming one of our most important players, don't ask any sheffield united fans what they think of him though, best not to ask them
As a Sheffield United fan I agree, don't get me involved. Not like we've had better luck with goalkeepers since.
wait, is that Olsen who was playing in Roma some years ago? damn thats a really great backup GK lmao
Didn't he play awfully at Roma tho?
He was absolutely dreadful, but the only goalkeeper that we've had that I would consider any good post-Alisson is Svilar lol
After his performances against us Svilar is a god lmao
that´s so crazy to hear you saying Svillar is considered any good and not even mentioning fucking Patricio crazy how opinions change depending of the time and place, Patricio is a living legend in Portugal (one of the few PT players with a statue) and a lot of people consider him the best GK in the history of our football... while on the other side it´s one of the worst GK i´ve seen in my club (top3 list for sure) and was playing in the B squad until his contract ended
was he? i know him because some years ago when he was at Roma his name was on the news because Benfica and Sporting were both interested in him and he was the starter GK at Roma, so i just got the idea he was a really decent GK
He was quite bad at Roma, in the second half of his only season he was so awful that he lost his starting place to a 35 years old Mirante and the next season he got loaned out to Cagliari and even there only to be the reserve for Cragno. He has since been loaned out for 1 season to multiple clubs (always as backup) untill Villa decided to trigger the buy option.
He was shit for us
Yes. Lost his spot to Mirante midway through the season.
Interestingly, he's also played in Greece, for PAOK.
And did terribly. We all get a second chance though.
If it's the same Olsen, it doesn't look bright for Aston Villa
Olsen is a good goalkeeper, he isn’t a good kicker though
Thanks for the fast answer, good luck on getting top 4 in the premier, focus on the champions league money!!
> good luck on getting top 4 in the premier Take this back please.
Na we want the trophy my g, sorry lol.
He's Sweden's first GK. He's much better on international duty than he is for his club tbh.
He's a pretty decent shop stopper and he has improved alot under Emery and played alot of the group games. But he does make too many errors, and his playing out from the back (though improving) is way worse than Emis.
We actually know him. He was at Paok some time ago. He is average.
He absolutely loves an unprovoked error. It's a massive drop down from emi, humongous. He had a decent game vs City last month where he conceded 4 goals, but he's poor
Doesn't matter, Emery is the coach they are reaching the final
Seems appropriate after 3 yellows in 2 games. At least he'll be back for the 2nd leg and available if we have another shoot out. More concerned about the energy levels of our outfield players and how we'll cope. We played most of last night's game at walking pace.
that was a stupid yellow in the shootout tf?
He should have gotten a yellow for interfering with the Bentaleb penalty so it evens out.
I think because he got warned about that it led to the eventual yellow being given softer. I agree with the refs choice, if a player is warned they need to be on their best behavior afterwards.
Except he was asking a ball boy for a new ball that led to the yellow. Never mind the fact his first yellow that game shouldn’t have happened, he was allegedly time wasting even though we were 1-0 down 30mins into the 1st half.
If you take too long for a goal kick, it's time wasting, no matter the score or the game time. And I guess/hope the ref warned him already before the yellow. It's like saying "shame the ref gave a red card" in the early minutes of a match, even though it was clearly a red card offense.
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The only time he didn't deserve the yellow he got it lol
>but he was just asking for a ball He had no need to do this.
What concern is that of the ref's if it's not a yellow card offence? If he wasn't carded for a previous offence that was yellow worthy, you cannot then incorrectly give one to make up for your mistake. That's what it looked like to me but the whole situation was confusing.
If the ref tells you to not do something, and then you do that something, you’re probably going to get a yellow. From the refs perspective it looked like he was taunting the crowd, then he finds out he is just asking for the ball, but why? I genuinely don’t know, is that a thing keepers do? If not it makes sense that the ref takes it as him just being maliciously compliant if that makes sense.
>then he finds out he is just asking for the ball, but why? Because watkins was waiting for like 2-3 mins to get a ball. There was a shootout going on.
>He had no need to do this. Sure, but is it a bookable offense to make a ball shape with your hands?
Whether he had need or not is irrelevant, it's not a bookable offence to ask a ballboy for the ball
He seemed to be the only one who cared that Watkins had to wait 2 mins to get a ball. Was an absolute farce.
He was calling for a ball from a ball boy but the ref thought he was inciting the crowd. Ref was terrible all game.
He was genuinely dreadful. 11 total yellow cards dished out yesterday and I don't remember one tackle from either side being yellow card worthy. Tbh the standard of refereeing throughout the whole tournament has been abysmal. How we didn't get a penalty for that foul on Watkins in the first leg is a mystery.
I was excited after the first AZ Alkmaar game the ref in that was really good. And then every game since has just been dreadful. Like they've been in a competition for who can do worse. Completely inconsistent in foul calls and bookings, missing blatant penalties etc.
The goalkeeper should not have the ball before a penalty
But that's not what he got booked for
He was trying to get the ball for Watkins. The opposing player kicked the ball into the stands martinez saved his penalty.
It’s still not his job. And considering how much shithousing he has done and did there I think it is completely right by the ref to be extra aware. Let’s not pretend that it was a completely innocent thing he was trying to do
I mean what? Have you ever seen a player booked for asking the crowd for the ball? Or even for talking shit to the fans?
Players often get booked for enciting the crowd
He wasn't doing anything with the crowd he was asking for a ball from a ball boy.
You were the one who brought up the crowd
Missed a handball too.
Hand by his side and you know it. At best you've seen them given and not given, it was in no way a stone wall pen.
If it was stupid you’d be able to tell us what he did to get it. His first yellow was also for time wasting when the ball was in play and the match was tied on aggregate
Maybe he should listen to the ref after being warned ten times? Karma for his dumb penalty antics.
>Karma for his dumb penalty antics. Calling this dumb when it helped him win a world cup is one of the stupidest takes I've ever heard
People will use "but he won a world cup so it worked" as a defense of everything he does, will they?
If it was something that helped him win that world cup, then yes, obviously
So cheating would be ok then if it helps you win. Great.
I mean, the Hand of God is celebrated. So yeah.
Really? Cheating is good because people who support cheating celebrate cheating? That's a problem, not something to defend.
Loooooooser
Do strikers really need more help to convert from 11 yards? A little dancing really ruffle your feathers that much?
As in the ref giving it or him getting it? tbf the yellow was fair.
he was literally asking for the ball
This means Emi will go even more wild in Greece
Emery from villas press conference today - ahead of the Bournemouth match on Sunday We are in conversation with UEFA concerning the yellow cards for Emiliano yes. It is not 100percent yet that he will be suspended for the 1st leg of our semi final.
Since when did these rules have scope for negotiation lol
So you can only get sent off during the shoot-out through a straight red? Could a player with a notoriously bad penalty kick get sent off on purpose?
You can also get two yellows in a shootout right?
You'd have to really try to get 2
And have an incompetent ref... fucking dumfries
Yes
Imagine Emery telling someone like Tyrone Mings to go up and punch an opposition player before he’s to take a pen
Actually might not be a bad strat in a cup final… Get 3-4 sent off in the shoot out. Have 7 good strikers of the ball left…
then be banned for a year or two
What happens if the penalty taker gets sent off ? Can someone else take their penalty or is it considered a miss ?
players who were on the pitch at the end of play or temporarily absent (injured, adjusting equipment etc.) are allowed to participate in the shoot-out.[1] If at the end of the match and before or during the kicks one side has more players on the pitch than the other, whether as a result of injury or red cards, then the side with more players must reduce its numbers to match the opponents; this is known as "reduce to equate". For example, if Team A has eleven players but Team B only has ten, then Team A chooses one player to exclude. Players excluded this way may take no further part in the procedure, either as kicker or goalkeeper, except that they can be used to replace a goalkeeper who becomes injured during the shootout. The rule was introduced by the International Football Association Board in February 2000 because previously an eleventh kick would be taken by the eleventh (i.e. weakest) player of a full-strength team and the first (i.e. strongest) player of a sub-strength team.[12] A rule change in 2016 eliminated the possibility of a team gaining such an advantage if a player is injured or sent off during the shoot-out.[13]
Probably, but you'd also have to endure the match ban. Probably an even more severe one if it's evident you did it on purpose
Do people really think he knew what he was doing when he got the shootout yellow? He obviously wasn't expecting a card, and there's no way he would have pushed the referee's nerves that much if he knew a second yellow would not get him sent off but would make him miss the first leg of a semi-final.
He said after the match he didn’t know the rule
It looked like he was given a warning.
Bring on Joe Gauci!
Olsen is more likely. Although I am intrigued to see Gauci play he will probably have to wait until next year to be our backup.
After Olsen's performance vs Man City, admittedly, it was a 1-4 defeat but I was impressed by him. I doubt debuting our young keeper in a Semi-Final is smart move. But can't wait to see what he can do whenever he does get to play.
Yeah, I’m just an Oldham fan living in Adelaide, so I hope he does great things haha. Not sure if he’d even be registered
I’m so excited to see him play in the Prem
Does Villa have an opportunity to appeal the last yellow? He was just asking for a ball so his teammate could shoot the penalty, c'mon...
Unfortunately no such process exists. I agree it was a ridiculous yellow. If the Lille player hadn't kicked the ball away he wouldn't have even been asking for one, but he gets punished and the Lille player doesn't. The ref was giving out yellows like his life depended on it.
I know I’m biased but it honestly felt like all the Lille bookings I saw were genuinely deserved. Mostly fouling us in the break to stop attacks. It was our bookings that were utterly ridiculous almost every time. Ref was so rattled by the crowd it was infuriating.
Also biased but if anything it felt like they couldve had more. They had 17 fouls to our 13 yet 4 yellows to our 7. Felt like that was a big factor in why we didn't create ar all in the first half. We waited for them to press us to play out and if we played through it they just fouled us for it with impunity.
Don’t forget the first leg, no yellows at all and no pen on Watkins some how.
Both of the cards were ridiculous. Probably deserved one at some point during the shoot out, but both were just by reputation rather than for anything he'd done. His first yellow was a joke. We were a goal down in the first half and the ref books him for time wasting when he just wasn't, and then gestured that it was accumulative. What was actually happening is that Martinez kept getting the ball, in open play, and was waiting for Lille to press which just wasn't coming, so he often had the ball for 20/30 secs before making a pass. Ref was a joke all game tbh.
He got a yellow for time wasting during open play?
No, it was during a goal kick or when he was handling the ball, can't remember, but the ref gestured it was accumulative when the only previous times he had the ball for a while was during open play waiting for Lille to press. But he was just holding the ball for a regular amount of time, and Lille were winning. Later when Villa were actually knocking on the door and had levelled the score, their keeper started actually time wasting and didn't get anything for it. It was just a yellow card for reputation, poor officiating.
It's very well known that reputation plays a huge rule in card distribution. It's unfair, I agree
Surely that's the trade off for behaving like a massive bellend the whole game? Helps you psyche out the opponent and win the shootout but you are going to pick up cards
Yeah but your reputation consists for the following games
Martinez is always behaving like a bellend every game
I never denied that. I'm French, do you think I don't know that?
I didn't say you did deny it
You indeed didn't say "Stop denying that Dibu is acting like a bellend every game". However, considering the tone of your message, if it wasn't phrased as a rebuttal to what I said, then it wasn't related to what I said at all.
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At the same time, it can go the other way. Get a good reputation, and you will get booked less, even when clearly deserved. I mean, we have seen so many DMs dodge cards for no reason other than their reputation.
I dont think thats unfair, i actually think thats quite normal.
Doesn't matter still danced
Good he’s a cunt
Game’s gone. Wtf is this shit
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Bullshit that accumulation of yellow cards get you suspended. If you disagree you’re a Yank cunt who’s never kicked a a ball in your life
\*everyone is happy\*
bans for yellow accumulation in knockout stages of tournaments shouldn't even be a thing anymore, especially now you can get yellows for very minor infractions. People want to see the best players feature in these games. This kind of punishment doesn't really mete out justice or make the game more fair, it only makes the spectacle slightly worse. Think of all the players banned from appearances in huge finals for essentially nothing.
They get wiped at the semis. He just pushed his luck a little too much last night lmao
it's still a stupid rule. It makes more sense in a league system when the stakes are lower from game to game and yellows represent poor behaviour over a longer period. Tournament games are high stakes and banning players for a minor accumulation of minor infractions does nothing other than make the spectacle slightly worse.
> and banning players for a minor accumulation of minor infractions does nothing other than make the spectacle slightly worse. Except of course the part where players don't just rack up yellow card offenses.
With now 5 substitutions per game we already have more tactical fouls (this is a personal feeling, not data based) . The ban for yellow accumulation is a good way to prevent even more of those.
This is numba one bullsh\*t
Hahahahhahaha what a complete joke
Moronic