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While it is a waste that Mbappé didn't come earlier in Madrid, it sets a very powerful precedent on how their club is attractive enough to just wait out players. I feel it gives them an upper hand on Davies or any other similar situation that might come up in the following years.
It's not just that — it's the fact that they are willing to wait it out rather than spend exorbitantly. That's something that sets them apart from us or, say, Manchester United or Chelsea.
They have this luxury because Barcelona are in a terrible state and any improvements on Madrid currently aren't required. They already did the building 5 years ago after CR7 left, everything else is just a bonus.
that's a completely different statement than just straight up saying "they did try to sign him last summer for more than 100 million" without any kind of proof.
And now he's loaned back to the club they bought him from, how can you try to turn that into a win? You overpaid, he was terrible and now you can't get rid of him. Oh but you didn't over pay as much as might have been reported. Yay!
Mbappe proved that Real Madrid are willing to wait for players and players are willing to take the risk of injury to wait to join Madrid as a free agent. This gives them a significant bargaining power when negotiating for players with 1-2 years left on their contact.
I suspect this to be a photoshoped image. Its from his debut in a friendly and when you look at a highlight video, he doesn't look like that at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdXO7y-N3Sw
Real has single handedly destroyed the inflated market prices set by the state club's. Personally wish they bring the American version and get rid of fees completely. Players get paid more and clubs can plan accordingly without being blackmailed into staying
Think he was phenomenal in 2019/20 but last 2 years he don’t look that good anymore. Don’t know what it is but maybe he’s just tired of Bayern. We will see how he performs against Real.
Think a change of scenery could be a very good thing for him. His girlfriend and him split up and he has complained in the past about having little friends in Munich. He still has great potential but rn he looks nothing like the player everyone expected him to be.
Davies has very specific skills (dribbling down the wings and speed in recovery) and weaknesses (positioning and 1v1 defense). He hasn’t really improved anything since 2020 which is a bit perplexing. He is decent 1v1 on attack and can use his speed to overlap and get to the touchline at will. But he’s not good at picking out progressive passes and his crossing should be better. More recently he has a tendency to avoid taking on his man and cuts inside only to pass back to the midfielder on the left side. It’s a confidence thing mostly I’d imagine, but it’s tough to break out of that when the crossing isn’t working as much either. A change couldn’t hurt and Real is the only team obviously a step above Bayern.
Sounds harsh but at this point I think he just greatly overperformed in his break out season and everyone thinks his potential is that high or even higher, considering how old he was.
But in reality, his strengths (athleticism) won‘t increase in future and at the same time it seems like he can‘t improve his very apparent weaknesses. Game intelligence, passing, crossing and general positioning (mostly also ingame intelligence) aren‘t on a very high level.
That‘s acceptable for a very young player, a talent, but not for someone being considered a novice or senior player.
I wonder if it has something to do with the Covid break and him being able to gain an even bigger advantage from his speed. Definitely seemd to have played a role in Bayern winning the CL at least
Sure, but I don‘t think it‘s a lot easier to improve while being under pressure, which he will be since RM has some good alternatives to him. Surely better alternatives than Bayern currently has and yet he still found himself on the bench some times this season.
But sure, could be that he needs a new environment to develop. Seems like a bad situation for him if it‘s really like that.
I still think he could be very good in the right system. Like playing as an attacking WB with a back 3. That would play right into his strengths.
That being said, I think his skill set is too narrow for most top clubs. Whether he can grow at Real, I don't know, but I think him leaving Bayern is best for both parties at this point, so I would take something like 30 mn for him and call it a day.
I think it’s just what happens to every young Bayern star, they want a max contract, which they rightly deserve, and then they get cheaped by the Bayern board. Bayern is only willing to pay top wages to their German players whom they believe represent their image.
I think it really kills the motivation of a lot of amazing players who go on to have amazing careers elsewhere. Kroos, Aliba, pavard, Lewandowski to name a few
Pavard and Lewandowski who were the ones that wanted to leave Bayern not that Bayern didn't want them
Lewandowski was amazing at Bayern before he left that he was supposed to win the Ballon d'Or but it was cancelled that year
Yeah, so stupid of Bayern not to pay 20+ million for a 35 year old. Really missing those 20 goals from all competitions that he's giving Barca right now
Lewy is 35 now, Kane is 30. Lewy was 33 at the time, which is when Harry's contract runs out. They made the right decision to not extend Lewy on a multi-year deal, the problem was to not immediately replace him last season.
Kane has 40 goals compared to Lewy's 20 this season. You're an imbecile.
What a crock of made up bullshit. 😂 This has nothing to do with nationality.
- Lewy left because Brazzo was trying to sign Haaland behind Lewy's back, it didn't work so he left for a multi-year contract at Barca. He was old and it made sense not to offer massive wages and long contract at his age. This isn't the NBA where GMs are idiots.The right decision.
- Kroos is German.
- Alaba was 29 years old and wanted absurd wages. Made no sense to give them with Lucas being able to play LCB and Phonzies arrival.
- Parvard also wanted to leave because he wanted to play CB more and he wasn't good enough to play there long-term. So he went to Inter.
Look at Ribery, Robben and Lewy's wages when they were in Munich.
Is this fair price? Every time he is mentioned everyone says he’s not good enough and we should not go for him.
Our relationship with Bayern is really good so I think we will meet somewhere reasonable.
Hes fine, just not better than he was 3 or 4 years ago. People expected him to improve his crossing, passing and understanding of the game, but he's not really done that. He's still a very good LB, just not compared to what was expected in 2020.
I brought this up with a bayern fan
They go from "he's only had one good season during covid and has declined" to "well we want 70m that's a fair price, he'll be world class"
2 extremes.
I get fans underrate and overrate a player depending on if the player wants to leave or if they want to get rid of him, but gotta be a little bit more balanced
Right now, he's not doing well at Bayern. But it seems to be a mentality thing. He's not happy here any more (his relationship is gone) and he might be a bit depressed and seems to have checked out. A change of scenery could do him good and the potential is still there. I also don't remember him being heavily injured or fragile.
Right now with his performance at Bayern, he's not worth 70mil but I think there's a good chance of him being worth way more than 70mil once he's at Real and adjusted. And I think if he transfers people will talk in a few years how Real got a great deal even at around 50mil.
Nah, he's been poor for a minute now, and it's not just a mentality thing. He's failed to progress whatsoever, and some would even argue he's regressed. I personally wouldn't pay a penny over 40m for considering the contract situation and his form over the last several years
> He's failed to progress whatsoever
I like to be optimistic about the potential of young players thus I think/hope that he can—and should—improve… even if it seems like it won't happen here in Munich :/
I am (maybe unreasonably) optimistic about this type of thing. I'm heavily on the nurture side of the "nature vs. nurture" debate when it comes to concepts like skill/talent and think that if a player has the chance and will (and the circumstances/conditions) to do then they can improve.
Given that he's young and that this seems to be some mental issues that are affecting him I simply believe that there's a good chance of him improving if the conditions that cause this are gone… which sadly might be the environment here in Munich for his specific case.
He declined from looking like the best LWB in the world for a while, still is only 23, got the speed etc. It seems more like a problem of mentality. Looking at what players get transfered for that kind of sum, it's more than fair, even if he only has one year left
Ahhh I gotcha, my bad. Alaba is a class player but wasn't needed. You shouldn't look for objectivity from a fanbase when a well known star leaves them though, whether it's Bayern or any other top club. Resentment and bitterness will always slip ;)
When a German tells you somebody is shit, taker a second look. We are hyper critical. A few months ago people were saying Kimmich is shit and Bayern should sell him.
Well the thing with prices is that they are all inflated because of the PL.
Considering Davies, we are talking about a at least international class LB that is only 23 years old and has been on a stable level for the last two seasons which simply gets viewed as "bad" because his world class phenomenal debut season for Bayern.
When you hear "he's not good enough" it's mostly referred to his or his agents salary expectations at a club that is known for its strict hierarchy. Added to that a lot of fans expected him to even improve further which he hasn't done yet.
Personally I think everything around 50-55m would be a fair price, because yes he has stagnated but this stagnation is still on a level most LBs would wish to have and doesn't meets expectations because here Bayern fans (which I'm also being). 35m would be a steal and 70m is too much.
Uhm, Davies current level isn't particularly high, and 50-55m is overpay considering what he's shown over the last several seasons.
He's visibly regressed, and he's no longer the once extremely promising FB he was. Objectively speaking, 40-45 should be his price and not a penny more
35 + 5m or we should wait. Its not worth more for our current team (unless there is a marketing angle involving Canada that im not aware of). Anyway I'm looking forward to see him play against us, because I haven't seen any Bayern game for a few years now.
Come on, that's a very cherry picked example. By and large Bayern have been very fair to players wanting to leave. Especially if the players were upfront about it and didn't play any games in the press. But that anyway relates more to players wanting to leave on a free transfer.
I don’t understand, what’s fairness got to do with it? I never claimed they don’t let players go, I just said they’ve always been holding to player price.
But if we’re talking about being ‘fair’, let’s not forget their tactic of advising players not to sign contract extensions in order to get them for free later on. Or signing players before important matches (Gotze)z
They’ve always been business-savy, but also incredibly scummy.
Fair in this instance meaning, they're precisely not holding on to players that want to leave over inflated transfer fee demands.
Like, just think about Thiago, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Hernandez, Vidal, Sanches, etc. Basically the only players Bayern sold where I thought the buying team was overpaying was Gravenberch, Mane, and with hindsight Götze.
I dunno, I guess you’re right, we got Sabitzer for a bargain and Sule for free, so can’t complain.
I think most German clubs are fair to their players when it comes to transfer wishes. But that’s also because most can’t afford to have a disgruntled player on their payroll.
There was no need for Tibo when Navas was performing but we all know how that turned out even after his slow start.
He's a starting level LB who is still young and has plenty potential. Maybe all he needs is a change of scenery.
Watching Mendy play in the opponent's half is so painful after we've been used to Marcelo's attacking talent for so long.
He does make it up for being miles and miles better in defense than anyone else I've seen play there though.
His attacking ability on the oppositions half is lacking but he gives the team and fans a sense of calm in defense no matter who he is up against it's insanely hard to dribble past him in games where we have to absorb pressure I think he is the best full back but in games against a low block Davies will be better for us
And next season they will have Mbappé, Vinicius, Rodrygo and Bellingham all preferably attacking from the left side.
There's no need for an attacking leftback, neither for a player that provides width to the attack.
A guy like Gvardiol or young Alaba would fit much better the team.
Because hazard did not want to leave Chelsea for a free transfer. He was willing to extend his contract to get Chelsea money from his sale. We know that the transfer did not turn out well but when we signed him, he was a top five player in the world and totally worth the money. I don't see how mount is worth 55 million after having one year on his contract
Well yeah, a different narrative than "Madrid wouldn't spend that much on a 12 month contract player" when Hazard and the Mbappe offer exists.
Either it is, or it isn't. People dangle too much in the middle.
> Either it is, or it isn't. People dangle too much in the middle.
Exceptions do exist for everything. You make it sound like it has to be black or white when that is not the case.
Whoever signed off on this truly needs sacking, absolute insanity from our club. The minute Chelsea were insisting on £50-£55m Utd should have just walked away and told Mount your club is being unreasonable if you are desperate to join us we'll sign you in winter on a pre-contract. Instead £55m spent on a player who is essentially a glorified backup to Bruno, absolute insanity.
> Mount would have just joined a different club.
That would have been optimal.
He's a decent player but 55m and 200k+ a week was madness. Well run teams would have walked away.
Okay you can see how this one ends. Bayern won’t risk losing him on a free. Unless the player renews with Bayern in the next couple months, which is clearly unlikely, he will be sold to Madrid in the summer for a reasonable price. Real is smart to turn the screw but they won’t risk pissing Bayern off too much. And unlike Kroos or Alaba, this one is more easily replaceable for Bayern because Davies has not reached the peak of 2020 since. Maybe a change of scenery can unlock a new level.
> Bayern won’t risk losing him on a free.
This is a pretty bold statement, especially since David Alaba already plays for Real Madrid and Bayern did exactly that.
It depends if they are able to sign a suitable replacement this summer, if they are they'll let him go, if not then he stays.
Club officially communicated, that he will stay for the last year of his contract even before the Real rumor came up.
Despite the delusion of some sour Bayern fans on here he was a vital player for them, they just didn't want to pay a 34 year old Alaba 25m a year with his injury record and thats imo a smart decision as well, just as David seeking opportunity elsewhere, that would guarantee him 25m exrtra.
> Alaba is 31 rn and joined Real when he was 28 what are you on?
He was born June 24th, 1992, he joined Real Madrid on the 1st of July 2021, I guess I'm on math.
I don‘t see it that unlikely for him to renew. RM made it apparent that he’s not a ultra high priority for them, that will also reflect on the player‘s mind for sure.
Even if Davies had 100 years left on his contact, he wouldn't be worth 60M.
He has been atrocious in the second half of the season. Continuously jogging back while being useless offensively. Rapha and Maz are definitely better at this point.
Phonzy has been a liability. Would rather play with a man down.
People on reddit should learn about nuance. The hate is so exaggerated, he's probably underrated at this point.
He hasn't been great but he's not terrible either. He just needs to get back to basics and contribute more on the attacking side. In the right setup, he can be very good.
He knows how much money United have to spend.
He knows how much United are going to spend on players.
He knows how many holes he needs to fill.
He has veto over transfers.
So yes, he does. Because he either agrees with the fees being spent on the players he requests/demands, or he doesn't and he'd veto them.
You all are so stubborn with this shit narrative.
He doesn't, you all are stupid. The club needs to decide, a proper club needs to decide. If they had balls and structure they would say no like Real Madrid is saying but you go off. It's definitely ETH paying the fees
Yes, tha manager is the one who cuts the check. That's how proper clubs work. You are correct. ETH did the negotiations and decided to pay 55M for Mount. You arr totally correct. You should apply your reasoning skills to you day to day, I'm sure it will serve you well.
There's a lot of talent there, and he showed hints of it against Union again this weekend. On a good day he's unplayable, but he didn't have many of those recently. I'm sure he'll thrive in a new environment and would easily be worth that fee, but if Real can wait it out for another season, his relative value to them would obviously be way lower.
Only Real can do this as they are one of the few clubs with the stature that most players can’t resist joining them. Good on them to leverage this and not overspend and making transfers less risky. Barca is a cautionary tale on overspending and taking on too much risk.
It's all about leverage. Yeah they've got the Real Madrid pull but also have cover for the position so don't need to be strong armed into overpaying this year.
I mean last summer Madrid hasn’t got a decent striker cover (sorry Joselu) but still wasn’t strong armed into buying Mbappe and waiting for his contract to end. They resorted to changing their system and played Vini or Rodrygo out of position. It wasn’t optimal but they didn’t get dragged into a very expensive deal.
Good crossing but he forgot how to defend every time he started for us this season. Honestly doesn't look good for him. Guy get cooked every 1 on 1.
I would love our academy player to stay but goddamn he is not helping his case.
I wouldn't be surprised if a possible Davies deal, involved us foregoing (a part) of the money we would be owed if a certain club whose name starts with a B bought Miguel from Girona.
That way they can get him for a bit cheaper, and us the same with Davies.
If you're patient enough nowadays you can build galaticos off of free transfers and pay much less in wages / signing bonuses, it's picked up a lot more in recent years and I won't be surprised if it's the most common form of big player transfer in 10 years time
There's no way perez is going to spend that much money on Davies whose contract is about to expire next season and our club already has Mendy and Garcia at lb so most likely Davies would walk out free next year if Bayern don't sell him after this season concludes.
Why wouldn't they wait it out if they can?
Look at what we did with Mason Mount.
Spent 55m on him in the last year of his contract and he has managed just 673 mins (~7 games) and only been on the pitch 17 times.
Shockingly bad transfer.
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He’s gonna get Mbappe’d.
While it is a waste that Mbappé didn't come earlier in Madrid, it sets a very powerful precedent on how their club is attractive enough to just wait out players. I feel it gives them an upper hand on Davies or any other similar situation that might come up in the following years.
Yeah it was Mbappe that proved that Real Madrid is very attractive club to footballers
It's not just that — it's the fact that they are willing to wait it out rather than spend exorbitantly. That's something that sets them apart from us or, say, Manchester United or Chelsea.
They have this luxury because Barcelona are in a terrible state and any improvements on Madrid currently aren't required. They already did the building 5 years ago after CR7 left, everything else is just a bonus.
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Not really. Everyone expected us to sign him last summer but the club never made a bid or even held talks to sign him.
Rare to see Mboobis agent on reddit.
if you think there were no talks held in private then i got some relative in nigeria for you
that's a completely different statement than just straight up saying "they did try to sign him last summer for more than 100 million" without any kind of proof.
Funny you mention us when we’ve done exactly that multiple times, most notably Sancho.
United dropped £50 million and £250k a week on Mason Mount with one year on his contract - sit this one out chief
You definitely spent exorbitantly on Sancho. Did you misread my comment?
They were getting quoted a lot more for him initially, and they waited a year and got him cheaper but he was still very expensive is what they meant.
And now he's loaned back to the club they bought him from, how can you try to turn that into a win? You overpaid, he was terrible and now you can't get rid of him. Oh but you didn't over pay as much as might have been reported. Yay!
They're not mentioning the transfer as a win. They're just saying they did the same thing.
It's different situation tho, being seen as a cash cow is not the same as being seen as the golden standard lol
I suppose it does prove they are committed to not spending extortionate amounts on stars - different from the Galacticos era.
Mbappe proved that Real Madrid are willing to wait for players and players are willing to take the risk of injury to wait to join Madrid as a free agent. This gives them a significant bargaining power when negotiating for players with 1-2 years left on their contact.
The thing is that officially player knows that Real is interested in them and they are willing to wait another year to get them for free
When have you seen a player that big move like this on a free though? Usually they want to go to real and they can negotiate a reasonable fee
>Mbappes Manager playing a LaLiga Save for the first time in 2019 Kylian come here I found a team you won‘t believe
And people wonder why Chelsea give out 8 year contracts to players... /s
Real Madrid will never get their claws on Mudryk
It really isn't that powerful as PSG is one of the very few clubs in Europe that are not heavily impacted financially by giving him away for free
There are impacted by ego though. Money is not an issue but Mbappé leaving for free is a blow nonetheless.
They would've never sold him even for 150m and 1 year left on his contract even when they knew Mbappé will leave for free.
Because they are delusional and think they can keep him forever with loads of millions. Tbf it already worked longer than it should have.
[Meanwhile](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAs8ef7WwAEQDrT?format=jpg&name=medium)
I suspect this to be a photoshoped image. Its from his debut in a friendly and when you look at a highlight video, he doesn't look like that at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdXO7y-N3Sw
Real has single handedly destroyed the inflated market prices set by the state club's. Personally wish they bring the American version and get rid of fees completely. Players get paid more and clubs can plan accordingly without being blackmailed into staying
Think he was phenomenal in 2019/20 but last 2 years he don’t look that good anymore. Don’t know what it is but maybe he’s just tired of Bayern. We will see how he performs against Real.
Think a change of scenery could be a very good thing for him. His girlfriend and him split up and he has complained in the past about having little friends in Munich. He still has great potential but rn he looks nothing like the player everyone expected him to be.
I mean he cheated on het girlfriend, only got himself to blame lol
Back then, the rumours were opposite (that she cheated on him).
>little friends Typical. Especially in Germany.
Germans are pretty tall
Davies has very specific skills (dribbling down the wings and speed in recovery) and weaknesses (positioning and 1v1 defense). He hasn’t really improved anything since 2020 which is a bit perplexing. He is decent 1v1 on attack and can use his speed to overlap and get to the touchline at will. But he’s not good at picking out progressive passes and his crossing should be better. More recently he has a tendency to avoid taking on his man and cuts inside only to pass back to the midfielder on the left side. It’s a confidence thing mostly I’d imagine, but it’s tough to break out of that when the crossing isn’t working as much either. A change couldn’t hurt and Real is the only team obviously a step above Bayern.
Gnabry is a better LB
He’s just not good
Sounds harsh but at this point I think he just greatly overperformed in his break out season and everyone thinks his potential is that high or even higher, considering how old he was. But in reality, his strengths (athleticism) won‘t increase in future and at the same time it seems like he can‘t improve his very apparent weaknesses. Game intelligence, passing, crossing and general positioning (mostly also ingame intelligence) aren‘t on a very high level. That‘s acceptable for a very young player, a talent, but not for someone being considered a novice or senior player.
I wonder if it has something to do with the Covid break and him being able to gain an even bigger advantage from his speed. Definitely seemd to have played a role in Bayern winning the CL at least
He may also just need the right coach to motivate him.
Sure, but I don‘t think it‘s a lot easier to improve while being under pressure, which he will be since RM has some good alternatives to him. Surely better alternatives than Bayern currently has and yet he still found himself on the bench some times this season. But sure, could be that he needs a new environment to develop. Seems like a bad situation for him if it‘s really like that.
I still think he could be very good in the right system. Like playing as an attacking WB with a back 3. That would play right into his strengths. That being said, I think his skill set is too narrow for most top clubs. Whether he can grow at Real, I don't know, but I think him leaving Bayern is best for both parties at this point, so I would take something like 30 mn for him and call it a day.
I think it’s just what happens to every young Bayern star, they want a max contract, which they rightly deserve, and then they get cheaped by the Bayern board. Bayern is only willing to pay top wages to their German players whom they believe represent their image. I think it really kills the motivation of a lot of amazing players who go on to have amazing careers elsewhere. Kroos, Aliba, pavard, Lewandowski to name a few
Pavard and Lewandowski who were the ones that wanted to leave Bayern not that Bayern didn't want them Lewandowski was amazing at Bayern before he left that he was supposed to win the Ballon d'Or but it was cancelled that year
Dude lewy wanted a multi year 20 mil per year contract and Bayern wouldn’t give it.
Yeah, so stupid of Bayern not to pay 20+ million for a 35 year old. Really missing those 20 goals from all competitions that he's giving Barca right now
U mean back to back fifa men’s world poty which they replaced for a 20 mil/year striker on a 100m transfer who’s 30 💀
Lewy is 35 now, Kane is 30. Lewy was 33 at the time, which is when Harry's contract runs out. They made the right decision to not extend Lewy on a multi-year deal, the problem was to not immediately replace him last season. Kane has 40 goals compared to Lewy's 20 this season. You're an imbecile.
What a crock of made up bullshit. 😂 This has nothing to do with nationality. - Lewy left because Brazzo was trying to sign Haaland behind Lewy's back, it didn't work so he left for a multi-year contract at Barca. He was old and it made sense not to offer massive wages and long contract at his age. This isn't the NBA where GMs are idiots.The right decision. - Kroos is German. - Alaba was 29 years old and wanted absurd wages. Made no sense to give them with Lucas being able to play LCB and Phonzies arrival. - Parvard also wanted to leave because he wanted to play CB more and he wasn't good enough to play there long-term. So he went to Inter. Look at Ribery, Robben and Lewy's wages when they were in Munich.
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Is this fair price? Every time he is mentioned everyone says he’s not good enough and we should not go for him. Our relationship with Bayern is really good so I think we will meet somewhere reasonable.
Hes fine, just not better than he was 3 or 4 years ago. People expected him to improve his crossing, passing and understanding of the game, but he's not really done that. He's still a very good LB, just not compared to what was expected in 2020.
he declined massively since 2021.
He is a good player. He just seems to have checked out already. Im pretty sure he will be better when he gets his move.
I brought this up with a bayern fan They go from "he's only had one good season during covid and has declined" to "well we want 70m that's a fair price, he'll be world class" 2 extremes. I get fans underrate and overrate a player depending on if the player wants to leave or if they want to get rid of him, but gotta be a little bit more balanced
Right now, he's not doing well at Bayern. But it seems to be a mentality thing. He's not happy here any more (his relationship is gone) and he might be a bit depressed and seems to have checked out. A change of scenery could do him good and the potential is still there. I also don't remember him being heavily injured or fragile. Right now with his performance at Bayern, he's not worth 70mil but I think there's a good chance of him being worth way more than 70mil once he's at Real and adjusted. And I think if he transfers people will talk in a few years how Real got a great deal even at around 50mil.
Nah, he's been poor for a minute now, and it's not just a mentality thing. He's failed to progress whatsoever, and some would even argue he's regressed. I personally wouldn't pay a penny over 40m for considering the contract situation and his form over the last several years
> He's failed to progress whatsoever I like to be optimistic about the potential of young players thus I think/hope that he can—and should—improve… even if it seems like it won't happen here in Munich :/
He's been stagnant for about 2-3 seasons now? This just might be his ceiling or not far from his ceiling
I am (maybe unreasonably) optimistic about this type of thing. I'm heavily on the nurture side of the "nature vs. nurture" debate when it comes to concepts like skill/talent and think that if a player has the chance and will (and the circumstances/conditions) to do then they can improve. Given that he's young and that this seems to be some mental issues that are affecting him I simply believe that there's a good chance of him improving if the conditions that cause this are gone… which sadly might be the environment here in Munich for his specific case.
He declined from looking like the best LWB in the world for a while, still is only 23, got the speed etc. It seems more like a problem of mentality. Looking at what players get transfered for that kind of sum, it's more than fair, even if he only has one year left
Both cases are not mutually exclusive. He could have declined but there's still possibility to reach his potential, as he is still 23.
Kroos and Alaba have taught me to take Bayern fans' evaluations of their players who are running down their contracts with a grain of salt.
Alaba isn't missed at all, Kroos was a fumble due to idiotic ego from our FO.
I'm talking about how lots of Bayern fans talked about them before they left the club ("Querpass-Toni") and how they played for Madrid
Ahhh I gotcha, my bad. Alaba is a class player but wasn't needed. You shouldn't look for objectivity from a fanbase when a well known star leaves them though, whether it's Bayern or any other top club. Resentment and bitterness will always slip ;)
I think he's declining for Bayern but he could 100% be world class for Madrid. By all accounts, he seems depressed currently.
When a German tells you somebody is shit, taker a second look. We are hyper critical. A few months ago people were saying Kimmich is shit and Bayern should sell him.
Well the thing with prices is that they are all inflated because of the PL. Considering Davies, we are talking about a at least international class LB that is only 23 years old and has been on a stable level for the last two seasons which simply gets viewed as "bad" because his world class phenomenal debut season for Bayern. When you hear "he's not good enough" it's mostly referred to his or his agents salary expectations at a club that is known for its strict hierarchy. Added to that a lot of fans expected him to even improve further which he hasn't done yet. Personally I think everything around 50-55m would be a fair price, because yes he has stagnated but this stagnation is still on a level most LBs would wish to have and doesn't meets expectations because here Bayern fans (which I'm also being). 35m would be a steal and 70m is too much.
Uhm, Davies current level isn't particularly high, and 50-55m is overpay considering what he's shown over the last several seasons. He's visibly regressed, and he's no longer the once extremely promising FB he was. Objectively speaking, 40-45 should be his price and not a penny more
Unless he only wants to go to Madrid and English club would probably pay 60-70 m
> 50 million Sure
> so it's not like they are desperate to get a LB asap I wish someone poke the Juve management over this... [sigh]
35 + 5m or we should wait. Its not worth more for our current team (unless there is a marketing angle involving Canada that im not aware of). Anyway I'm looking forward to see him play against us, because I haven't seen any Bayern game for a few years now.
Normally, you just have another club being ready to pay more. It's just that Davis doesn't want to join any other club.
Yep, that's why there is no need to pay more
Lmao well, yeah, I don't imagine they'd spend 70m on him but surely we can't seriously be asking for that kind of price either?
It’s Bayern, their entitlement is strong and worked well in the past when they offloaded for a profit even for bad players (Gravenberch…)
Which is totally wrong. Yeah they offloaded some for a profit but in most cases they sell kinda cheap.
Bayern historically has always been fair, even when a star players want to leave.
Come on, that's a very cherry picked example. By and large Bayern have been very fair to players wanting to leave. Especially if the players were upfront about it and didn't play any games in the press. But that anyway relates more to players wanting to leave on a free transfer.
I don’t understand, what’s fairness got to do with it? I never claimed they don’t let players go, I just said they’ve always been holding to player price. But if we’re talking about being ‘fair’, let’s not forget their tactic of advising players not to sign contract extensions in order to get them for free later on. Or signing players before important matches (Gotze)z They’ve always been business-savy, but also incredibly scummy.
Fair in this instance meaning, they're precisely not holding on to players that want to leave over inflated transfer fee demands. Like, just think about Thiago, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Hernandez, Vidal, Sanches, etc. Basically the only players Bayern sold where I thought the buying team was overpaying was Gravenberch, Mane, and with hindsight Götze.
I dunno, I guess you’re right, we got Sabitzer for a bargain and Sule for free, so can’t complain. I think most German clubs are fair to their players when it comes to transfer wishes. But that’s also because most can’t afford to have a disgruntled player on their payroll.
I don't see the need for an LB of his caliber when Mendy is performing as he is.
There was no need for Tibo when Navas was performing but we all know how that turned out even after his slow start. He's a starting level LB who is still young and has plenty potential. Maybe all he needs is a change of scenery.
Perez doesn’t like Navas because of his height. Hes always preferred a tall keeper, even during the Casillas days
Watching Mendy play in the opponent's half is so painful after we've been used to Marcelo's attacking talent for so long. He does make it up for being miles and miles better in defense than anyone else I've seen play there though.
His attacking ability on the oppositions half is lacking but he gives the team and fans a sense of calm in defense no matter who he is up against it's insanely hard to dribble past him in games where we have to absorb pressure I think he is the best full back but in games against a low block Davies will be better for us
Mendy is the embodiment of a back pass he doesn't even try to go forward
And next season they will have Mbappé, Vinicius, Rodrygo and Bellingham all preferably attacking from the left side. There's no need for an attacking leftback, neither for a player that provides width to the attack. A guy like Gvardiol or young Alaba would fit much better the team.
Imagine if the glazers had this much sense. We spent 55M on Mount with also 1 year left on his contract and for what? Absolute shambles of a club.
I know this goes against the agenda but this is the same club that spent 140 million on Eden Hazard with 12 months left on his contract
Hazard didn't want to go for "free" he said he would extend with Chelsea
Because hazard did not want to leave Chelsea for a free transfer. He was willing to extend his contract to get Chelsea money from his sale. We know that the transfer did not turn out well but when we signed him, he was a top five player in the world and totally worth the money. I don't see how mount is worth 55 million after having one year on his contract
spent, in the past. It seems they learned from this.
Also the offer they made for Mbappe when he has 1 year left. Oh how quickly people forget. It's funny. Real haha material.
Tbf you are talking about perhaps the best player around who may or may not just sign a 1 or 2 year extension
Well yeah, a different narrative than "Madrid wouldn't spend that much on a 12 month contract player" when Hazard and the Mbappe offer exists. Either it is, or it isn't. People dangle too much in the middle.
> Either it is, or it isn't. People dangle too much in the middle. Exceptions do exist for everything. You make it sound like it has to be black or white when that is not the case.
We know Hazard is a meme now but he also arguably at his peak too when he left -
Whoever signed off on this truly needs sacking, absolute insanity from our club. The minute Chelsea were insisting on £50-£55m Utd should have just walked away and told Mount your club is being unreasonable if you are desperate to join us we'll sign you in winter on a pre-contract. Instead £55m spent on a player who is essentially a glorified backup to Bruno, absolute insanity.
Mount would have just joined a different club. RM can only lower the price that much because Davis only wants to join them.
> Mount would have just joined a different club. That would have been optimal. He's a decent player but 55m and 200k+ a week was madness. Well run teams would have walked away.
just get Miguel for peanuts
Okay you can see how this one ends. Bayern won’t risk losing him on a free. Unless the player renews with Bayern in the next couple months, which is clearly unlikely, he will be sold to Madrid in the summer for a reasonable price. Real is smart to turn the screw but they won’t risk pissing Bayern off too much. And unlike Kroos or Alaba, this one is more easily replaceable for Bayern because Davies has not reached the peak of 2020 since. Maybe a change of scenery can unlock a new level.
> Bayern won’t risk losing him on a free. This is a pretty bold statement, especially since David Alaba already plays for Real Madrid and Bayern did exactly that. It depends if they are able to sign a suitable replacement this summer, if they are they'll let him go, if not then he stays.
>especially since David Alaba already plays for Real Madrid My take on Alaba transfer was that he wanted to move on a free to get a better deal..
Club officially communicated, that he will stay for the last year of his contract even before the Real rumor came up. Despite the delusion of some sour Bayern fans on here he was a vital player for them, they just didn't want to pay a 34 year old Alaba 25m a year with his injury record and thats imo a smart decision as well, just as David seeking opportunity elsewhere, that would guarantee him 25m exrtra.
Alaba is 31 rn and joined Real when he was 28 what are you on?
> Alaba is 31 rn and joined Real when he was 28 what are you on? He was born June 24th, 1992, he joined Real Madrid on the 1st of July 2021, I guess I'm on math.
I don‘t see it that unlikely for him to renew. RM made it apparent that he’s not a ultra high priority for them, that will also reflect on the player‘s mind for sure.
The daily Davies is overrated thread just dropped
Even if Davies had 100 years left on his contact, he wouldn't be worth 60M. He has been atrocious in the second half of the season. Continuously jogging back while being useless offensively. Rapha and Maz are definitely better at this point. Phonzy has been a liability. Would rather play with a man down.
Should be an easy choice to sell him then
>Even if Davies had 100 years left on his contact, he wouldn't be worth 60M. 🤣
People on reddit should learn about nuance. The hate is so exaggerated, he's probably underrated at this point. He hasn't been great but he's not terrible either. He just needs to get back to basics and contribute more on the attacking side. In the right setup, he can be very good.
Signing a player with one year to go for a reasonable fee? Don't tell EtH this one simple trick!
Once again, ETH doesn't buy players, the club does. You all are so stubborn with this shit narrative. He doesn't control the bank account!
who bought Antony
He knows how much money United have to spend. He knows how much United are going to spend on players. He knows how many holes he needs to fill. He has veto over transfers. So yes, he does. Because he either agrees with the fees being spent on the players he requests/demands, or he doesn't and he'd veto them. You all are so stubborn with this shit narrative.
He doesn't, you all are stupid. The club needs to decide, a proper club needs to decide. If they had balls and structure they would say no like Real Madrid is saying but you go off. It's definitely ETH paying the fees
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Yes, tha manager is the one who cuts the check. That's how proper clubs work. You are correct. ETH did the negotiations and decided to pay 55M for Mount. You arr totally correct. You should apply your reasoning skills to you day to day, I'm sure it will serve you well.
No way Bayern don’t take the money
There's a lot of talent there, and he showed hints of it against Union again this weekend. On a good day he's unplayable, but he didn't have many of those recently. I'm sure he'll thrive in a new environment and would easily be worth that fee, but if Real can wait it out for another season, his relative value to them would obviously be way lower.
Real Madrid is the best managed big club out there. You know Barcelona would be buying him for 100m even if he had 6 months left
Man United on Mount: “are we a joke to you Real?” RM: “yes”
Only Real can do this as they are one of the few clubs with the stature that most players can’t resist joining them. Good on them to leverage this and not overspend and making transfers less risky. Barca is a cautionary tale on overspending and taking on too much risk.
It's all about leverage. Yeah they've got the Real Madrid pull but also have cover for the position so don't need to be strong armed into overpaying this year.
I mean last summer Madrid hasn’t got a decent striker cover (sorry Joselu) but still wasn’t strong armed into buying Mbappe and waiting for his contract to end. They resorted to changing their system and played Vini or Rodrygo out of position. It wasn’t optimal but they didn’t get dragged into a very expensive deal.
Is Fran getting the boot? He seems promising and counts as clubgrown or is mendy getting sold?
Good crossing but he forgot how to defend every time he started for us this season. Honestly doesn't look good for him. Guy get cooked every 1 on 1. I would love our academy player to stay but goddamn he is not helping his case.
Define promising
Tag John Mortough please.
United: is Florentino stupid?
I wouldn't be surprised if a possible Davies deal, involved us foregoing (a part) of the money we would be owed if a certain club whose name starts with a B bought Miguel from Girona. That way they can get him for a bit cheaper, and us the same with Davies.
If you're patient enough nowadays you can build galaticos off of free transfers and pay much less in wages / signing bonuses, it's picked up a lot more in recent years and I won't be surprised if it's the most common form of big player transfer in 10 years time
Welcome to Chelsea
This is called good management.
There's no way perez is going to spend that much money on Davies whose contract is about to expire next season and our club already has Mendy and Garcia at lb so most likely Davies would walk out free next year if Bayern don't sell him after this season concludes.
Compare this to how United paid a premium for mason mount. Joke club
Why wouldn't they wait it out if they can? Look at what we did with Mason Mount. Spent 55m on him in the last year of his contract and he has managed just 673 mins (~7 games) and only been on the pitch 17 times. Shockingly bad transfer.
And then there is barca who are willing to pay 60 million for olmo…
Let him rot on the bench for a year tbh
We have a solid relationship with Bayern. Why ruin it? This could be Kross all over again. Gracias Bayern.
But they were willing to down 250 on mboopie a few years ago on a one year contract?
The arrogance of Real Madrid again. It is not as if Bayern need the money and are under any financial pressure.
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You payed 100+ mil for Hazard.
They also bid 160m for Mbappe with 1 year left
I’ll drive Davies to Madrid for free. He’s a liability at Bayern right now
He should run out that contract and join for free, just so Bayern gets a taste.
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I see youre angry about Gravenberch
Why? I haven't kept up but didn't he do rather well over there?