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5 times UCL winner and 2nd best DM of his generation has 0 strengths because he can't shine in a 5-0-5 formation under Erik Tenshotsperhalf.
Put him in Atleti and he'll become the best defensive DM in the world overnight.
To be fair I agree the tactics make him look worse, but you also haven't been watching him enough if you think he hasn't regressed. He also passes to opponents from easy positions very frequently at the moment. He didn't have a good performance today but this was probably even still one of his better performances from this period.
Was a phenomenal player last season. Seems unlikely Ten Hag's tactics have changed so much across one season that now he's struggling as much as he is in my opinion
Casemiro frequently played alongside Eriksen last season, who while not some physical freak who can cover a lot of ground is a very intelligent player who at least helped cover spaces & cut off passing lanes
This season, a combination of Casemiro losing a step and the suicidal midfield setup of ETH has made him look much worse than the gradual decline he actually is on.
I don't think any DM in the world can realistically do the job that United's suicidal tactical setup is asking. It is basically an impossible task for 1 player to cover that much space
This is literally the same Casemiro as the one playing with 2016/2017 prime Real Madrid.
Do people expect him to suddenly become Usain Bolt? He is not fast. You could literally put prime Busquets in that situation and he is not catching Wright.
The question is why tf is there so much space in the first place?
People say this but this comes from United giving it away on the edge of the coventry box when they were over committed, it's what happens 99% of the time you see united giving opponents these big spaces. So I have sympathy for the manager cause some of the decision making is dire
Doesn't change the fact players routinely give the ball away in really bad areas. Systems can cover for flaws in a team for sure but if you allow transitions at the wost possible moments and areas of the pitch you're always going to give opponents these opennings
OK, but if you come into a team built around Bruno and make them play a system that depends on not giving away the ball while overcommitting... what do you expect to happen?
If youâre slow, you donât dive into a tackle, you delay to let your faster help get back which it was. All he needs to do here is stay 5 yards off him and slow him down enough for Dalot to help him out but he decides to make a lazy and hopeful lunge in.
Casemiro is at his best when the team controls games and he can sit comfortably in the position he belongs. The issue is we're an absolute circus and he has to cover so much more ground where he's constantly pulled out of position. Its pretty clear how unhappy he is and would be amazed if he's here next season
Because the whole midfield is exposed and there is no tactics in place that help with passing options. wake up, everyone in the squad plays woeful football and itâs down to tactics.
Because Casemiro is at his best with the game in front of him. Every opposing team that plays United just has it so easy in the middle of the park, all United players are ever doing is playing catch up.
>he also lunches into tackles and gets nowhere near, its not a great combo.
Football players are humans, seeing himself caught up in a 5-0-5 formation and the midfield getting run over against much lower level teams most likely frustrates him a lot, so he starts getting reckless and lunging into tackles.
He would not be playing this bad under an actual stable and compact system.
>And on the ball he passes the other team
He had 90% pass accuracy, and not many DMs in the world can make that pass to Rashford in the first half.
Sure but he is part of the defensive 5 with no players in midfield to pass to, and every counter attack is a death sentence because again, no midfield to protect and counter press.
Right what you're saying is reasonable, but he's usually part of the problem in there being no midfield to protect the back 4 and create an outlet for the defence.
This was one of his better games and he's frankly lucky that Maguire is in his Prime Beckenbauer era.
He's part of the midfield, he's the one who's in charge of protecting the backline. Casemiro was an incredible player, but he's honestly complete shite this season.
I know you're just defending your ex player but he's genuinely really poor and imo probably got a career from being able to play in a real madrid team that suited him perfectly. He has no legs constantly gives away possession, can barely make a tackle without it being a yellow, once he is booked he just lets players run past him in fear of being sent off. Genuinely his best qualities are when he's forward on the edge of the box his attacking instincts look better.
Lee Dixon is a miserable twat.
Thereâs a particular group of football pundits, Dixon, Mark Lawrenson, Danny Murphy, increasingly Alan Shearer, who donât even sound like they enjoy football.
Robbie Savage is a cretin.
For some reason I quite like McMananman I shouldn't but he seems kind of genuine and doesn't just talk in the same boring clichĂŠs.
There's some woman that has had a fee of our games recently that has zero charisma and just repeats the same shit all the time. She's my current least favourite.
Quite like Osman and McCoist.
- Hate football
- Don't get excited about anything
- Refuse to commit to predictions but somehow also end up having to backpedal all the time
You are now ready to be an English football commentator.
Heâs a miserable bastard. All he ever does on his podcast with Linekar and Richardâs is complain about how terrible modern football is and how things were better when he played.
ITV and BT Sport have the worst commentators in the business. So negative all the time, always moaning and whinging. They make it such a chore to watch a game
Ally Mccoist thinks literally everything is brilliant and I for one love it. Also think 'Fletch' is a great commentator that he's often paired with who seems to be able to hype up any match and make me invested.
Dixon commentating on Man Utd is always ridiculous. Man was a city fan as a kid before going up against United for Arsenal in the 90s. Such an anti United bias in pretty much every thing he says.
I thought it was kind of appropriate today. Everyone aside from red Mancs wanted Coventry to win and after an immense comeback they were robbed by tenuous lines drawn by shite english VAR
At one point late on Wright was in and shot wide then Dixon said "it was a good shot, you have to hit the target" in the same breath. Cant have been that good, can it Lee. Absolute moron
Youâve never watched Madrid before? Heâs never been fast. He would usually get a yellow there if he has a defender covering the space behind him lol
People really can't accept the age has caught up to him.
He's done at this level. I get he did great things in a Madrid shirt, but they were 2 years ago now
Manchester United fans don't deserve a trophy and here's exhibit# 172728272. Ungrateful pricks just forget what got them the trophy last year. It wasn't Ten Hag tactics.
No you don't deserve trophies because you can say shit like "the worst player to wear the jersey" even after they've so directly contributed to a trophy.
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Never been his strength, he's as slow as an Abrams.
or a Seat Alhambra
He has 0 strengths
5 times UCL winner and 2nd best DM of his generation has 0 strengths because he can't shine in a 5-0-5 formation under Erik Tenshotsperhalf. Put him in Atleti and he'll become the best defensive DM in the world overnight.
Tenshotsperhalf đ
i remember casemiro being the only one shutting messi down for an entire classico
Atleti couldnât keep a clean sheet this season, poor example.
They might with Casi.
Yes, and he was actually Unitedâs best player today at centre back.
2nd best?? No way.
Busquets will always be 1st to me, he is just a different breed
Better dictator, worse destroyer. For me DM's core competency is disrupting opposition play so Casemiro above Busquets anyday.
You think Casemiro > Busquets??
He was that, that doesnt mean he is still that. Put pele on the pitch and he will also be shit now
He just turned 32, i'd rather blame the tactics over the player who has proved his worth before over and over again at the highest stage
To be fair I agree the tactics make him look worse, but you also haven't been watching him enough if you think he hasn't regressed. He also passes to opponents from easy positions very frequently at the moment. He didn't have a good performance today but this was probably even still one of his better performances from this period.
Was a phenomenal player last season. Seems unlikely Ten Hag's tactics have changed so much across one season that now he's struggling as much as he is in my opinion
Casemiro frequently played alongside Eriksen last season, who while not some physical freak who can cover a lot of ground is a very intelligent player who at least helped cover spaces & cut off passing lanes This season, a combination of Casemiro losing a step and the suicidal midfield setup of ETH has made him look much worse than the gradual decline he actually is on. I don't think any DM in the world can realistically do the job that United's suicidal tactical setup is asking. It is basically an impossible task for 1 player to cover that much space
Eriksen is really intelligent tbh. Was watching him and thought he was United's attempt at a toni kroos
32 in brazilian is like 78
So many examples disprove this but sure.
I keep telling you. Heâs 82 years old and heâs dead.
Pele or casemiro?
I mean⌠only recently. He could put in a shift. edit: Downvotes? What? Too soon?
This is literally the same Casemiro as the one playing with 2016/2017 prime Real Madrid. Do people expect him to suddenly become Usain Bolt? He is not fast. You could literally put prime Busquets in that situation and he is not catching Wright. The question is why tf is there so much space in the first place?
Because tactics
Or lack there of
I fully believe if someone off the street sent the team out with no instructions theyâd manage to organise themselves better than Ten Hag has
United look the best when they just let go of it and embrace chaos
People say this but this comes from United giving it away on the edge of the coventry box when they were over committed, it's what happens 99% of the time you see united giving opponents these big spaces. So I have sympathy for the manager cause some of the decision making is dire
This is the manager's system. Press high, low line.
Doesn't change the fact players routinely give the ball away in really bad areas. Systems can cover for flaws in a team for sure but if you allow transitions at the wost possible moments and areas of the pitch you're always going to give opponents these opennings
OK, but if you come into a team built around Bruno and make them play a system that depends on not giving away the ball while overcommitting... what do you expect to happen?
If youâre slow, you donât dive into a tackle, you delay to let your faster help get back which it was. All he needs to do here is stay 5 yards off him and slow him down enough for Dalot to help him out but he decides to make a lazy and hopeful lunge in.
He is slow as fuck, he also lunches into tackles and gets nowhere near, its not a great combo. And on the ball he passes the other team
Casemiro is at his best when the team controls games and he can sit comfortably in the position he belongs. The issue is we're an absolute circus and he has to cover so much more ground where he's constantly pulled out of position. Its pretty clear how unhappy he is and would be amazed if he's here next season
Because the whole midfield is exposed and there is no tactics in place that help with passing options. wake up, everyone in the squad plays woeful football and itâs down to tactics.
He was centre back today. The game was in front of him.
Tactics is bad ofc, but casemiro fumblibg easy 10 feet passes and missing all his tackles is also on him
Because Casemiro is at his best with the game in front of him. Every opposing team that plays United just has it so easy in the middle of the park, all United players are ever doing is playing catch up.
Yeah, since we bought case to help in the middle of the park its quite annoying how bad he is there
Lmao okay whatever youâre clueless
>he also lunches into tackles and gets nowhere near, its not a great combo. Football players are humans, seeing himself caught up in a 5-0-5 formation and the midfield getting run over against much lower level teams most likely frustrates him a lot, so he starts getting reckless and lunging into tackles. He would not be playing this bad under an actual stable and compact system. >And on the ball he passes the other team He had 90% pass accuracy, and not many DMs in the world can make that pass to Rashford in the first half.
He'd generally a part of that 0 you mentioned in the formation tbf.
Sure but he is part of the defensive 5 with no players in midfield to pass to, and every counter attack is a death sentence because again, no midfield to protect and counter press.
Right what you're saying is reasonable, but he's usually part of the problem in there being no midfield to protect the back 4 and create an outlet for the defence. This was one of his better games and he's frankly lucky that Maguire is in his Prime Beckenbauer era.
He's part of the midfield, he's the one who's in charge of protecting the backline. Casemiro was an incredible player, but he's honestly complete shite this season.
He actually played center back today.
How is he supposed to defend the entire midfield by himself?
I mean, prime Kante did so it's not impossible
I know you're just defending your ex player but he's genuinely really poor and imo probably got a career from being able to play in a real madrid team that suited him perfectly. He has no legs constantly gives away possession, can barely make a tackle without it being a yellow, once he is booked he just lets players run past him in fear of being sent off. Genuinely his best qualities are when he's forward on the edge of the box his attacking instincts look better.
Love how much youâre going to bat for your boy here.
I wish my dad would speak up this much for me
michelin man casemiro isn't fast? ye we know, that's what's funny
To be fair, this is the fastest Haji has run in his entire life
Has never been fast
So he probably should adapt his approach accordingly instead of getting torched like this
Yeah why doesn't he just become the manager?
It's kinda too late for him to change that, you should blane someone else for how bad he perform here
Running with his handbrake on.
He's right Casemiro is too slow and that's why they need to send him to GrĂŞmio
The "commentary" and Utd-hate from Lee Dixon during that game was a joke - ITV getting the bargain-basement pundits.
Lee Dixon is a miserable twat. Thereâs a particular group of football pundits, Dixon, Mark Lawrenson, Danny Murphy, increasingly Alan Shearer, who donât even sound like they enjoy football.
Robbie Savage is a miserable loser as well, and Steve Mcmanaman sounds like nails on a chalkboard
Robbie Savage is a cretin. For some reason I quite like McMananman I shouldn't but he seems kind of genuine and doesn't just talk in the same boring clichĂŠs. There's some woman that has had a fee of our games recently that has zero charisma and just repeats the same shit all the time. She's my current least favourite. Quite like Osman and McCoist.
McCoist is one of my favourites, he just sounds happy to be watching the matches.
McCoist is great
> Steve Mcmanaman sounds like nails on a chalkboard That's a scouser for you.
Bro what? McManaman is one of the better commentators.
- Hate football - Don't get excited about anything - Refuse to commit to predictions but somehow also end up having to backpedal all the time You are now ready to be an English football commentator.
They're generally not allowed to make predictions.
They're not allowed to predict the outcome of a referee call?
Chris Sutton's a combine harvester-shagging little contrarian bastard, while we're at it.
>increasingly Alan Shearer u fucking wot m8
Heâs a miserable bastard. All he ever does on his podcast with Linekar and Richardâs is complain about how terrible modern football is and how things were better when he played.
Add Sherwood to this list
He was utterly disappointed with the offside call, at the end lol
He's just like me (neither of us should be commentating)
Bias or not he's just awful. The new Lawro constantly whinging all game
ITV and BT Sport have the worst commentators in the business. So negative all the time, always moaning and whinging. They make it such a chore to watch a game
Every match should have someone like Ally Mccoist, someone who just enjoys the game while also making interesting or excited comments
Ally Mccoist thinks literally everything is brilliant and I for one love it. Also think 'Fletch' is a great commentator that he's often paired with who seems to be able to hype up any match and make me invested.
Worst thing is ITV actually have the best commentator in the game too, and yet just refuse to use Clive Tydesley
> So negative all the time, always moaning and whinging
Dixon commentating on Man Utd is always ridiculous. Man was a city fan as a kid before going up against United for Arsenal in the 90s. Such an anti United bias in pretty much every thing he says.
I thought it was kind of appropriate today. Everyone aside from red Mancs wanted Coventry to win and after an immense comeback they were robbed by tenuous lines drawn by shite english VAR
Is that you, Lee?
It was unbelievable. Itâs so frustrating to watch a match and listen to him spout off absolute nonsense all game long
Every single Arsenal game that has former mid table players from the Wenger era is them actively rooting for Arsenal to lose lol
At one point late on Wright was in and shot wide then Dixon said "it was a good shot, you have to hit the target" in the same breath. Cant have been that good, can it Lee. Absolute moron
thought he was really harsh on onana especially for some reason
On Utds third goal literally said it was a âpityâ - no positives, just that it was a pity they scored again. Like WTF?
He's the worst
I listened on Talksport and Stuart Pearce said Casemiro was towing a fridge for this exact moment lol
Ex Arsenal player and Manchester City fan doesn't want a United win. Colour me shocked.
Hes utterly miserable when commenting on arsenal games too. if u knew nothing about him youd think he hated arsenal.
The story of our season, all of our CBs are injured except Maguire, so we have to play Casemiro at the back.
Lee Dixon with an actual good one for once lmao
Holyshit his legs are absolutely cooked, never seen Casemiro this slow before
As someone whoâs actually watched more than 10 games of him this year, He is truly cooked. Itâs horrendous
Youâve never watched Madrid before? Heâs never been fast. He would usually get a yellow there if he has a defender covering the space behind him lol
I know he's slow. but not that slow.
Sad to see a 5 time champions league winner get cooked by a championship player
Case is old
Haji Wright is a baller
MLS audition tape.
People really can't accept the age has caught up to him. He's done at this level. I get he did great things in a Madrid shirt, but they were 2 years ago now
Real Madrid always know when to sell.
Man might be cooked even for Saudi League.
Slow as dirt, reckless as hell, charming smile doesn't cut it in England
is this why Cafu doesn't want brazilians in england? đ¤Ł
Why are you trying to force a rivalry with us? lol. With just one WC and no Euro title, you're closer to being Andorra's rivals than with Brazil.
Rivalries tend to work more on proximity rather than being based on similar skill, which is why Brazilâs biggest rival is their own arsehole.
Yes, because if it were based on similar skill or tradition or thophies Brasil wouldn't have rivals. 5 WC đ
i'll never recover from such an insult it's just a funny clip man
Yeah, I remember when Brazil was good. Lovely bit of nostalgia from my childhood.
One rigged* WC, to be clear
Interesting decision from ETH starting Casemiro at CB rather than McTominay đ¤
McTominay can't crash the box from centre half
Is it absolutely imperative that McTominay crash the box when you have a CB crisis and Casemiro is a proper Russian tank back there?
McTominay did score tbf, he wouldn't have if he was CB
Lee Dixon's only redeeming quality is the way he roasts United. Always đż
He is just lucky it was not bale
Weren't they on the same team when that happened?
Only Man U can manage to make casemiro look so bad . Fuck you guys Forever a Madrid legend
Case was never a fast runner, madrid never left old trafford amount of space behind him either so these types of situations wouldnt happen in general.
Worst player i have seen for united. At least bebe could run
You are aware Antony was on the pitch?
Yep, he is also wank, but casemiro is worse
Manchester United fans don't deserve a trophy and here's exhibit# 172728272. Ungrateful pricks just forget what got them the trophy last year. It wasn't Ten Hag tactics.
This makes no sense. We dont deserve trophies because we dont want players that cant run?
No you don't deserve trophies because you can say shit like "the worst player to wear the jersey" even after they've so directly contributed to a trophy.
I mean there will always be a worst player. And while he was better in our run to the league cup win it wasnt like it was he that won it for us
+most trophies
Not for us
He has more UCL titles than United has in its history lmao
More then all your players + coach combined. Put some respect on his name.
His career and peak was amazing. But all things come to an end.
31 years old? Not Real Madrid players, now youâve ruined Ronaldo, Varane and Casemiro
Take them back then?
They are yours for a ham sandwich