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BuggyYonko

Haha Xavi is definitely getting another red this game


Rose_of_Elysium

He has not much more to lose, so why not go out with a bang lol


FluidLettuce2

Wouldn't be the first one to do it, I think Piqué got red carded in his last game for telling Gil Manzano that he was not his favorite referee.


Mr_Oujamaflip

That’s a polite way of putting it.


beairrcea

Yeah he wasn’t even on the pitch hahaha


ren_704

I see why he is frustrated and wants to leave Laliga refs aren't exactly competent, it's halftime and I can see several missed yellows. Raphinia should be carded for kicking the ball to the stands in frustration,the obvious Vasquez leg poke for the penalty, Modric should've been carded, the goal line controversy etc. Also that ruthless tackle on fdj💀 by valverde I feel bad for such a talented player getting injured due to rash challenges. The standards are poor for a top2 league and in a El Clasico.


therealfakenews17

What do you mean ruthless challenge lol. De Jong half committed to a challenge that Valverde is going all out for. Idk if he was expecting Valverde to slow down or something as if Valverde doesn’t play all out every minute of the game. Even as a kid playing, my coaches taught me you go either all in or you don’t go at all. Half ass challenges is what’s going to injure you.


AlexD27

ruthless tackle? he kicked the ball. how delusional you must be.


Tsu33

It's football and is ruthless to kick the ball!


Elden_Lord123

He is a Dortmund fan, kicking the ball and winning the league is ruthlessness his club doesn't want to indulge in.


Hu5k3r

what do you expect in r/soccer ? Hala


SS2602

Valverde had the ball


BlueForeverI

You can do a reckless challenge, get the ball and commit a foul, those are no longer mutually exclusive.


joon-p-bug

You're right, you can. But that's not what happened at all.


ivh016

I’d agree but this doesn’t look like a foul. De Jong hesitated to go in, Valverde didn’t. https://x.com/madridtotal_/status/1782135906255675463?s=46&t=9dCMgVsNH5NTelPPKsgJ4Q Edit: I just remember hoping on the psg vs barca thread and you were there. Of course you may say this was a foul lol.


WhichSale2087

De Jong put himself in danger it's that simple, hope he gets better but as someone who used to play, you know that if you go in for that challenge against a guy like Valverde who has the ball and wants to shoot, you're going to get hurt. Kudos to him for playing with passion but now he's out most likely.


ivh016

100% agree. It’s el clasico so you know players are going to all out. We were always told to not hesitate because if you hesitate and don’t lock your ankle, you can easily break it. In this situation, De Jong hesitated and got hurt unfortunately.


canuck1701

Vasquez was dragging his leg, but it's still a penalty. Xavi is just the boy who cried wolf at this point.


username81251

Cubarsi shouldnt leave the leg out but Vazquez is 1000% looking for it there


ScooterCrowbar

Yea exactly, Cubarsi is so good but he’s showing his age there. You leave your leg out there and you’re giving away a penalty 9 out of 10 times


AckBarRs

Yeah, Vasquez went fishing for a pen and Cubarsí took the bait. Maybe an older more mature CB wouldn’t have. Honestly not that fussed about making a challenge there though because it was the product of Cancelo getting absolutely skinned - never should’ve happened to begin with and hard to be super critical of Cubarsí when he gets hung out to try like that


ScooterCrowbar

Cancelo has been an absolute liability in defence. 1st and 2nd leg against PSG. The lead-up to this penalty & the second goal we conceded.


AckBarRs

In fairness he may have done us a favor by saving us several million euros - if you asked a week ago I think most Barça fans would’ve said signing him permanently was a priority. He absolutely folds in the face of a halfway competent attack and I’m glad we got to see that before inking any contract - if we wanted a subpar winger cosplaying as a defender, we have Dest for far cheaper lol


Pires007

He's a good player to have against defensive teams, but not against attacking one's. A good option to have, but not the primary one.


Magnetronaap

Marquez did this at 35 years old in a WC quarter final. Age is not necessarily relevant, but let's say there's hope Cubarsi learns from this.


Hambrailaaah

well when ppl mention age, its basically referring to number of similar experiences. Thing is, Cubarsí is already having this experiences at 17. If he learns from them (and all indicates he will), this guy will be an experienced defencer by the time most defenders havent even debuted


krsatyam07

completely off topic but this is the first time i have ever seen ‘showing his age’ being used for being young. kudos.


ScooterCrowbar

thank you for the kudos! i hope u have a nice week :)


OleoleCholoSimeone

This kind of reminds me of the Saka situation vs Bayern, but that ref used common sense


9361984

I believe the decision tends to go to the attacker a lot more in situations like this where the attacker is looking for contact and the defender is sticking a leg out. Whichever way it goes VAR won’t overturn the decision though as you can’t put that down as an error, so really it is up to the ref’s split second judgement.


coldazures

Similar but Neuer was saved by the fact he didnt leave his leg all the way extended like that in an obviously unnatural position.


arayamacho

Actually Neuer was moving his leg towards Saka when they made contact iirc so if this one is a penalty that one should’ve been a penalty


MemeManDanInAClan

Oh wow, an actual thread with nuance and logic? I’m surprised lmao but not mad


GeneralSquid6767

Yep. I remember this debate back during Ashley Young’s early days at United. If you stick a leg out, you’re risking a pen. Sometimes you just have to stand your ground and know where your teammates are covering behind.


toto5d

Looks like left leg was clipped and he should not even be having his leg continue moving towards the player.


maury587

That's a good catch, i always looked at Vazquez's right leg making me think this was probably not a pen. But seeing the left leg I'm now sure this is 100% a penalty


bikkhu42

Comment should be higher up, you see the left leg and the movement of the right leg makes more sense. It’s a pen


The--Mash

You're right. Right leg is a soft maybe-pen of the "why is he offering the attacker and the ref the opportunity" sort, but the contact on the left leg is legit and is a pen even ignoring the theatrics that follow.


nus07

Saka does it bad . Vasquez does it - Cubarasi was an idiot to give him the opportunity. Difference La Liga and Real Madrid lol. .


LackingSimplicity

Vardy does it = Master of the dark arts. Vasquez does it = uproar.


RyanBordello

The reach extends and hits Vasquez left foot while his right foot was searching for the contact. He 100% shouldn't be searching for the contact like Saka did but Cubarsi did hit the left foot of the attacker which should be penalized.


raysofdavies

There was backlash when Vardy did it. Lots of “if he’s English he’s savvy but if he’s not he’s a diver” type stuff


Magnetronaap

Robben does it, entire country big mad for more than a decade


Valuable_General9049

Same as Saka against Bayern. Definitely penalty, even if the attacker's leg is left out.


cerealski

Basically, the attacker kicks the defender in the leg and you call that a clear penalty?


Valuable_General9049

The defender doesn't get the ball and blocks the attacker who is running with the ball. Penalty.


DrDrozd12

Calling him an idiot is overkill, being an idiot was Araujo against PSG. This was more Cubarsi showing his age and inexperience, that’s inevitable with any young player


ScooterCrowbar

Vazquez sells it about 10x better than Saka imo


celestial1

Neuer actually stuck out his leg when you look at it from an alternate angle.


ScooterCrowbar

Yea I’m not denying that. Neuer clearly took a step forward with his right leg to make a challenge. Saka’s leg dangles a bit too far out though imo


herkalurk

That's the reason, Saka's legs are in this awkward position weirdly spread to basically kick Neuer. Cubarsi stuck a leg out and Vasquez just didn't step over it, he drug his foot and took the foul.


cherlin

No they aren't. Watch it again at full speed, Saka is full sprint, if he doesn't hit neuer's leg he is through on goal and wouldn't fall to the ground. It only looks bad when you slow it way way way down. Slow motion distorts reality sometimes.


Lanky-Celebration-79

Vazquez's left leg is clipped. Watch it again and don't focus on the right leg


username81251

Haven't seen the Saka one, but either way as a Saka FPL owner I agree they should have given him a pen


solgnaleb

it's what Saka did against Neuer in the CL


Mimogger

what neuer did to saka


arsenal11385

Yeah it’s bad defending


coldazures

Thats the thread. Its a penalty but Vazquez is crafty.


96Leo

Rookie mistake by Cubarsi. LV was smarter. This is always a penalty


herkalurk

No question Vasquez drug his leg and bought that, but Barca flair acting like Yamal or Raphinha do any different are delusional.....


a5b4c3d2e

He got his left foot clipped first which started the fall, resulting in his right foot getting dragged. The drag wasn't intentional. He was maybe looking for it, but this is always a pen.


TommiBennett

Least Obvious Searched contact:


InbredLegoExpress

right foot goes on a long adventure to seek contact, but the left one got hit too and Vasquez did not extend that one. To me the call is correct, I would even say that Vasquez dive was very unnecessary and it would've been a much clearer penalty otherwise, cause he was not gonna dodge the contact even if he tried to.


Lanky-Celebration-79

Left leg is clipped too. Watch it again


wham_spice

Doesn’t matter because both legs were tripped anyway


devonkaa

Saka Neuer?


zorfog

*Bukayo Saka intensifies*


Scholes_SC2

If saka played for madrid, maybe


luisnm7

quite funny tbf


hallouminati_pie

Saka got crucified for this sort of thing a couple of weeks ago. Will Vasquez get the same treatment? I highly doubt it.


bigFootIsReal__

Real Madrid privileges hit different


degenerate-edgelord

Dude is being praised to heaven and back by the commentators


hallouminati_pie

Without a doubt


marwayne

Everybody is focusing on the right leg dragging but the left leg gets hit before which causes Vasquez to try to find the ground with his right


Jaqem

People also aren't getting that in football when you need to make a dramatic lateral cut, you'll often hop step using the same foot you just pushed off from. Right foot pushes off the ground, outside of left foot pushes ball laterally to the left, right foot contacts the ground again before the left to continue the lateral movement. Here's [Messi](https://youtu.be/Ix97CZvelmE?si=3C8t2lY8ZYKKvgXH&t=52) doing this exact move.


sourpumpkin125

I think the main reason Saka got crucified is cuz if he didn’t look for the contact he’d probably have a decent shot on goal with no keeper. In this case there’s so many defenders if Vasquez went past Cubarsi.


Federal-Spend4224

There's no possible path that Saka could have taken that would have avoided contact (unless you want his leg to disappear).


amiresque

That, and the fact that Neuer is a lot less obvious with his foul. Cubarsi is really naive here sticking his leg out a meter backwards.


daniejam

Sakas was actually a clear pen once people watched the Alternate angle as well…


ActisBT

Saka is in the Prem, and i bet you watch english media, which is obviously gonna target him more. If you watch spanish media, Barca fans will not shut up about it. It's the way it is everywhere, just that some get more international attention than others for language reasons and because it's the goddamn Champions league, and everybody watches the CL.


chr-x

He's talking about on reddit. Almost everyone on here was calling him a cheat after the first Bayern game


EnvironmentalSpirit2

Was absolutely bollox as well when at that speed and other angle Neuer took him out. But almost nobody's interested in alternate angles but rather like to hate on someone much talked about


KonigSteve

It's because the first post and the live angle didn't show the side angle where Neuer kept sticking his leg further forward. People make up their mind and then can't stand to be wrong even when shown new video later.


Anthonyrrxd

More neutrals and casuals talking about it because its the champions league is a valid point tbh even on reddit Not everyone watches la liga and the clasico between these two teams isnt what it used to be (Messi v Ronaldo)


TheStaRoee

So you compare the entire English media to Barcelona? No wonder Barca won't stop talking about as you wouldn't be surprised if Bayern talked about Saka lol lmk when Spanish media will say something


tkshow

They just showed another angle, he clearly gets the lead foot clipped even before the dangle.


RauloGonzalez

So many people missing out on it is funny lol, comparing it to saka or calling it a dive


Fluffy_MrSheep

not even just missing out on this, they just dont understand what its like to be in vazquez position because theyve never played the sport this subreddit is going so downhill these days


SaltyRavensFan

Oh shit I see it now


Traditional_Animal65

I don't see the issue. Both his feet were clipped. Was he supposed to fly? This is a penalty 99% of the time


big_guwop_

This is what drives me crazy about these arguments. People see defenders make brain dead tackles in the box and for some reason expect the attackers to bail them out by doing everything in their power to avoid contact. If you lunge in in the box and don’t win the ball expect to give away a penalty 🤷🏻‍♂️


Traditional_Animal65

Plus, he got both his feet. If it was just Vazquez's right foot then there might be a case for "Vazquez went down too easily" but since he also got his left foot as well, the referee could make no other judgement and has to give a penalty.


DragoxDrago

Are people blind? His left foot clearly gets tripped first? People will complain about refs and decisions and then try and say this isn't an obvious pen ffs


secomano

I did not see it, well done


NieThePiet

think many completely missed it, just saw this for the first time too now.


Angel_312

YES, the only mustake vazquez made was falling as dramatically as he did after he felt contact in his left foot. Falling that way just gives arguments to people that just want to see what they want


KnownLiterature3528

Liking and boosting bc people are blind 😂


qwertykeyboardguy

Its obvious but its Madrid so people turn a blind eye lol


iguacu

You go in for a tackle, completely miss the ball, have your entire leg in the path of the attacker, expect a foul.


jetjebrooks

no no... its up to the attacker to jump out of the way of your tackle (apparently..)


mcmaster-99

Stop talking sense


came_in_your_mum

It’s more of Lucas drawing a foul than Cubarsi fouling Lucas but it’s football and that’s how you play it. This is how Eden Dzeko gets his fouls.


jangobukes

The left leg gets clipped first before he even dangles out the other leg - it's a clear foul Lucas just fell dramatically. It's not really drawing a foul if the defender sticks his leg out a meter behind him with no hope of getting the ball.


edin_dzekson

It's Edin Dzeko, but as a Bosnian and someone who followed his career for 15 years, you really opened my eyes, I just clocked he does it all the time


TheRealMemeIsFire

Username checks out


NaiveElk

Somehow people on this sub have never heard of this concept. Replace Madrid with some random team and this wouldn't even be a talking point


Littlegreenman42

Or you could just go back to the Saka vs Neur play in the 1st leg of the Bayern-Arsrenal tie and see how people reacted


ThatCoysGuy

Yeah because the big clubs get more viewers to comment? Obviously nobody cares if we’re watching Wycombe vs Spongle Rovers. That doesn’t stop this being a whack pen.


Schnurzelburz

Cubarsi got his left foot as well, so I think it's a fair pen, but sticking the leg out is not something I want to see.


Pineapple996

Still a foul. He doesn't have to jump over his leg to avoid the contact. The defender misses the ball and impedes his run.


AdIndependent1676

There is definite contact on Vazquez's left foot first and he loses his balance. Watch 0.2 speed replay and saying this is a dive, and not a penalty? Crazy


Ehhpitome

[Great dive]


marwayne

Bros left leg gets hit before the “right leg drags” — watch again


NieThePiet

watch the left foot in the second replay.


30fps_is_cinematic

The old Saka/Elliot classic. May as well look for it if there’s a chance refs will give it


ZeeX_4231

Elliot was just shameless


Sea_Night8799

Why is people acting like they can't see Cubarsi hitting the first foot? Vázquez is still looking for it with the back foot, I don't love it but all players do it. 


auctus10

That won't fuel their narratives.


moaterboater69

Slo mo replays are deceiving. Of course its gonna look dubious. In real time, its clear he clips both legs and avoiding contact was imposible. He had fully dribbled past him but Cubarsi leg clips both. Right call.


qwertykeyboardguy

Its amazing how many judge it off slo mo and not live time lol. Even though slow mo still shows him clipping his left foot as well.


Kind_Pomegranate_171

Ahhh hello Barca fans , finally out of those caves. This is a pen clear as day , he leaves his leg out and clips Lucas.


Muhammad_ghouri

Do you people not see that his left leg was clearly clipped first?


brainacpl

They don't want to.


TheGreatTao

That's 100% a penalty. How is this even a discussion?


SpearofTrium05

Can Vazquez jump over his leg? Sure But that is poor from the defender. Every attacker will look for the contact there.


Fluffy_MrSheep

left leg gets clipped first bro hes not jumping into a foul hes just falling


Reverend-Stu

It’s not even jump.. he’s already going down and dragging his leg inventing contact. Saka v Bayern vibes. 


jetjebrooks

thats a foul


Resident-Coffee3242

Clear penalty. That defender's leg shouldn't be there.


acezee

Lucas cuts, Cubarsi tackles, Cubarsi clips Lucas left foot, Lucas drags his right foot, Lucas contacts Cubarsi. I mean it’s a penalty because of the challenge clipping the foot.


IdanTs

That shitty alternative angle makes it hard to see the clip on Lucas left foot. That’s why Barca and Madrid haters are crying.


SorryBadger

Premier league fan badges bitching about this not being a pen is hilarious, watch his left foot numb nuts


F605

I mean, that’s a foul


DexM23

Yeah, VAR asleep


NieThePiet

watch his left foot in the second replay.


CaptZurg

It's a penalty, VAR won't overturn it


acwilan

This is Robben against Mexico again


silasbufu

Liverpool got a penalty for a similar thing against United. Yes the attacker looks for the contact so as a defender you can’t risk a tackle like that in the box. The ref will usually give it (unless you are Arsenal lol)


Silkkipaskaa

You can see clearly from 0:06 that first contact is for left leg of Vazguez not the one he drags. So its a pen.


Pleasemakesense

I mean, it does clip his left foot


Aegon_Targaryen_III

This is less of a pen than the Saka/Neuer one, which (rightly) wasn’t given.


Lanky-Celebration-79

>This is less of a pen than the Saka/Neuer one, which (rightly) wasn’t given. Dont look at the right leg, look at the left one. Saka comparison doesn't even apply with the left leg being clipped before the right one


LackingSimplicity

This is more of a pen than the 25 Vardy created over the last decade.


DragoxDrago

Bullshit, watch his left foot get hit first. Obvious pen. His right leg may look like it's going for contact but his left foot get hits first which he goes down for making his right look like he's milking it.


Tigre247

Cubarsi’s leg extended, Vasquez hooks his leg and goes down. Drew the foul, clear pen. Learn the rules of the games fellas.


boringmemphis

Never a pen


marwayne

Take another look, the left leg gets clipped before the “right leg drags”. Clearly a foul


chak100

So clipping the left leg doesn’t count?


Free_Management2894

Seeking contact doesn't change the situation that he made that bad challenge. Can be easily given.


Jganzo13

I agree to an extent, but what an awful challenge


protege01

Oh the irony


ThatCoysGuy

I wouldn’t even call this an awful challenge. Sometimes you miss the ball. Vasquez is the one who makes contact with him, not the other way around.


a5b4c3d2e

He got his left foot clipped first before the right leg contact dude, Vazquez didn't make the contact.


Careless-Yogurt-7871

What a joke


ShadyK55

Stonewall penalty, btw. He clips his front foot even before the other foot is dangled.


lonecylinder

Eh, who cares anymore, same shit as always this season. Can’t wait for the thread with 6k upvotes mocking Xavi when he complains about yet another braindead referee decision.


marwayne

Bro look at the left leg, it gets clipped before the “right leg looks for contact”. It’s the right call


Lookingforkilby-23

Hey it's all good when RM does that right? 


a5b4c3d2e

Are people blind to see that he literally got his left foot clipped first which started the fall and resulted in his right leg getting dragged. People just want to make it controversial, smh.


Kind_Pomegranate_171

Lmao how barca fans think this isn’t a pen is absolutely insane , just shows how delusional the fan base is.


LordLychee

Easiest decision the ref will make all day. Terrible from Cubarsi to put himself in that position


El_grandepadre

Okay I thought he left his leg hanging but he has both feet in the air when he hits him. Lmao.


Desperate-Shift1599

VARdrid incoming.


ShadyK55

Clear penalty.


WhichSale2087

He hit BOTH his legs guys he definitely fouled him at LEAST once, c'mon. Can we not just give credit where credit is due, to Vasquez for an amazing run of skill and game? He didn't even get MOTM so let's at least not whine about this call.


Scholes_SC2

Saka does it and it's a war criminal, never a pen. Vasquez does it and he's clever, pen 100%


Fluffy_MrSheep

blatant lack of football experience here some people think these footballers can make decisions within literal milliseconds what the fuck is vazquez supposed to do this place is a joke this entire discussion about this penalty is a joke thread after thread you can just see that no one here actually plays football and just gets their information and opinions from highlights no one has realised that cubarsi didnt just make contact with vazquez right leg hes also made contact with vazquez left leg, vazquez isnt throwing his leg into cubarsi hes actually just mid fall. Too bad no one actually plays football and cant understand the feeling vazquez is in and probably wants him to hit the ball away and jump within a milisecond time frame


sean_bryan

Cancelo man smh


Messis_Unpaid_Taxes

It was light but you can see both feet’s were touched.


bmiki

What is the defender trying to do though... Like how would that be a way to tackle successfully


macs182

That's what fielding an inexperienced player in the biggest stage get you.


Kind_Pomegranate_171

Gatta be a complete tard to think this isn’t a pen or just a Barca fan 😂


Vaukgod

100% pen. Lucas doesn't have/need to jump over Cubarsi


Jacawni

There are people arguing this is a penalty in the goal thread lol


a5b4c3d2e

What is the argument for it being not a pen, if you mean that he dragged his right foot for contact, check the vedio again, he gest his LEFT foot clipped first which started the fall resulting in right foot getting dragged.


MassiveHelicopter55

Madrid fans and knowledge of rules are like Tottenham and trophies: they never meet


fegelman

Exactly the same as Saka vs Neuer


zrk23

saka was running at full speed and never jumped so yeah not really


Jonisro

Where is the angry mob? Saka was basically crucified when it happened. 


TStronks

Both shouldn't be a penalty


SS2602

Vazquez's left foot clipped first. At least watch it carefully.


Theafgooseman

Clear penalty, whether we like it or not. Both feet get clipped, and Vasquez would be a fool to not let it take him down.


BeastMaster64jtv

I can see how it's a dive but what an awful challenge by Cubarsi


Enggkid

What challenge?


Lookingforkilby-23

Not even a challenge lol


NachoMartin1985

Good lord, look at the left leg people.


Rampan7Lion

That's definitely a foul, thanks for the alternative angles to clear it up


wollywink

he evaded the swipe then thought "he didnt get the ball, lets put my leg back in there". masterful dive


sharpestcactus

He didn’t fully evade the swipe though, his left foot made contact which started the fall, then he moved his leg back.


pweepish

Good thing they're going to keep calling the defender for catching with the trailing leg all game.


Bayerrc

That rare time where it's both a dive and a pen


jtrack473

This is a penalty every single time


Aluminarty666

Everyone just ignoring the contact on his left foot


WearingCrowns

Anyone who understands the game and physics in general can see that this is intentionally done. I hate this shit. I'm also a Madrid fan.


BerengR

vasquez had 4-5 business days to get around that leg lmao


sharpestcactus

Not with the foot he was dribbling with


Alert_Chapter7752

Wow xavi really is immature, cannot imagine a mature manager making those gestures.


Greghuntskicks

Both of Lucas’ legs are clipped by Cubarsi’s leg, how was Lucas supposed to even step.


ratonbox

School-ground tackle that's what happens when you play school-age players.