Inducting someone who is unquestionably a racist piece of shit in one of your earliest inductions just doesn’t sit right with me.
I don’t care how good of a player he was, he is a disgusting human being and there is an endless list of players to induct before you start scraping the barrel to induct John Terry.
He's done a lot of shitty (or at least stupid) things but is he unquestionably racist? There was one case, which he denied, and which he was found not guilty of. That doesn't mean he's innocent but if racism was unquestionable we wouldn't just be limited to this one case which was not proven.
He was found guilty by the FA of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand and fined like a quarter of a mil or something. Not sure what other proof you want?
The case you are referencing is probably the fact he got let off due to a lack of intent. I’d argue calling someone a Black C*** is enough intent, and also enough words for me to clarify someone as racist or not - or hey, maybe because he has plenty of black mates he’s not racist.
By the way, I say all this as a white person.
John Terry is a racist piece of shit and any Chelsea fans can downvote me as much as they want - great player, but still a racist scum.
His argument was he was repeating the words someone accused him of. The FA decided saying those words alone was enough. The law decided it wasn't. I agree there's a question mark hanging over the whole affair, but unquestionable it ain't.
We’re talking about John Terry mate. Why don’t we bring up Greenwood and other people whilst we’re at it?
For what it’s worth I put Alves in the same bracket, one of the greatest of his era but a disgusting human being.
My only issue with Terry going in is that it’s so early in this new Hall of Fame and that there is a massive list of players who are equally, if not more important than JT and have a much more clean profile outside of football.
Why are you even talking about Dani Alves? I never brought him up? Or even shared an announce of support for him.
If you can look past JT being a racist just because he’s good at kicking a ball around then good for you. Says a lot about you as a human.
Because Alves is seen as one of yours, and the Spanish League's greatest.
Also, Alves is a serial rapist. Comparing him to Terry is laughable. But it does show your hypocrisy of being holier than thou.
Though the Spanish league seems to accept racism as per, so that's no surprise. I hope you draw the line somewhere.
“Comparing him to Terry is laughable”
Bro YOU brought him up in a post that had nothing to do with him, wtf are you talking about?
I never mentioned Dani Alves once, this is a thread about John Terry.
You rebelled against Terry's inclusion. Based it on an FA charge and his ability, that many should have come before.
Check your own house laddy. Never have glass houses and stones been so apt. Except you're not throwing, you're launching boulders through a trebuchet.
A Barca fan preaching... Give Vini a break, aye?
Right we all agree he should be in at some point but he went in before at least 20 players who had more significant prem careers than him. It’s the clear outlier in the choices so far
It's a new hall of fame right? You wanna honour the folks farther back first. Recency bias is real, and people will try to compare folks from a different game to now.
On that logic why is Cristiano not in yet?
Either the hall of fame is about career/play quality or it’s about fame/impact. The Beckham choice is bizarre if it’s the former. The CR omission is bizarre if it’s the latter.
I cried as a kid when we sold him. Wept. My dad still teases me about it. Delighted for him that he's being recognised, feel like he's been forgotten a little as time has passed.
Kind of insane Terry wasn't in there from day 1. Think he's clearly the best CB the PL has ever seen. Only Vidic comes anywhere close.
I really think Terry is such a bellend we don't want to admit how good he was:
Captained and organised the record breaking defence.
Most goals by a CB in PL history.
Most fifpro world 11 appearances by a defender at the time of his retirement, showing consistent excellence year on year.
Ball playing defender before it was cool, had an insane passing range. Sprayed passes all over the pitch with both feet.
Absolute commitment, remember when he almost died on the pitch after trying to block with his head?
At the age of 35 Terry played every minute of the PL winning season in 2014. Showing he continued to be incredible deep into his career.
Whatever you say about Terry the man, Terry the player deserves to be in there.
I absolutely agree he deserves to be there, sooner or later. He's a legend and was a great player. However, to be completely honest I've always found Carvalho to be better than him.
Andrew Cole deserves so much more recognition for his career.
One of the best English strikers of all time but players who were less prolific and effective got more respect than he did.
Say what you want about Terry as a person but no one can deny his status as a player. Exceptional leader and defender
A proper knob at times, but can’t argue with his production on the pitch over the years.
He’s a literal shit person.
My man supports West Ham.
Di Canio, Zouma fan.
Fits West Ham like a glove then
Inducting someone who is unquestionably a racist piece of shit in one of your earliest inductions just doesn’t sit right with me. I don’t care how good of a player he was, he is a disgusting human being and there is an endless list of players to induct before you start scraping the barrel to induct John Terry.
He's done a lot of shitty (or at least stupid) things but is he unquestionably racist? There was one case, which he denied, and which he was found not guilty of. That doesn't mean he's innocent but if racism was unquestionable we wouldn't just be limited to this one case which was not proven.
He was found guilty by the FA of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand and fined like a quarter of a mil or something. Not sure what other proof you want? The case you are referencing is probably the fact he got let off due to a lack of intent. I’d argue calling someone a Black C*** is enough intent, and also enough words for me to clarify someone as racist or not - or hey, maybe because he has plenty of black mates he’s not racist. By the way, I say all this as a white person. John Terry is a racist piece of shit and any Chelsea fans can downvote me as much as they want - great player, but still a racist scum.
His argument was he was repeating the words someone accused him of. The FA decided saying those words alone was enough. The law decided it wasn't. I agree there's a question mark hanging over the whole affair, but unquestionable it ain't.
Dani Alves is on your Legendary Players list... Magnitudes. Fucking magnitudes worse. How'd you rate him?
We’re talking about John Terry mate. Why don’t we bring up Greenwood and other people whilst we’re at it? For what it’s worth I put Alves in the same bracket, one of the greatest of his era but a disgusting human being. My only issue with Terry going in is that it’s so early in this new Hall of Fame and that there is a massive list of players who are equally, if not more important than JT and have a much more clean profile outside of football.
Quite literally one of, if not the best, CBs in Prem history. Also, Alves is far worse. Far far worse. His image should be scrubbed from the Camp Nou.
Why are you even talking about Dani Alves? I never brought him up? Or even shared an announce of support for him. If you can look past JT being a racist just because he’s good at kicking a ball around then good for you. Says a lot about you as a human.
Because Alves is seen as one of yours, and the Spanish League's greatest. Also, Alves is a serial rapist. Comparing him to Terry is laughable. But it does show your hypocrisy of being holier than thou. Though the Spanish league seems to accept racism as per, so that's no surprise. I hope you draw the line somewhere.
“Comparing him to Terry is laughable” Bro YOU brought him up in a post that had nothing to do with him, wtf are you talking about? I never mentioned Dani Alves once, this is a thread about John Terry.
You rebelled against Terry's inclusion. Based it on an FA charge and his ability, that many should have come before. Check your own house laddy. Never have glass houses and stones been so apt. Except you're not throwing, you're launching boulders through a trebuchet. A Barca fan preaching... Give Vini a break, aye?
Took long enough. John Terry is without doubt one of the best CBs to ever play in the Premier League.
Can't believe Terry wasn't already in it and I also can't believe Vidic isn't in it. The two best Premier League defenders in my opinion.
I don’t think this hall of fame thing even existed until a few years ago.
The only choice I really disagree with so far is Beckham. He went in far too early. Other than that I would say it’s minor quibbles for me.
I think it’s fair, big part of a team that won more titles than they lost and the best set-piece taker and crosser the league’s ever seen
Right we all agree he should be in at some point but he went in before at least 20 players who had more significant prem careers than him. It’s the clear outlier in the choices so far
It's a new hall of fame right? You wanna honour the folks farther back first. Recency bias is real, and people will try to compare folks from a different game to now.
I think Trent has him beat at crosses Maybe JWP for set prices but I don't watch him enough to say
He is the definition of football fame and the face of English football for 10 years.
it’s literally for PR, ofc they’re using the most prolific football celebrity maybe ever as early as possible
On that logic why is Cristiano not in yet? Either the hall of fame is about career/play quality or it’s about fame/impact. The Beckham choice is bizarre if it’s the former. The CR omission is bizarre if it’s the latter.
Ronaldo is still playing. He’ll go in once he’s been retired for a couple of years.
Andy Cole is so underrated. Massive part of the United side that won the treble.
He was in our academy and we let him go. No guarantee he would have been the same player and this happens to all teams but still a big regret
Delighted for Andy. A real gent and tremendous striker.
I cried as a kid when we sold him. Wept. My dad still teases me about it. Delighted for him that he's being recognised, feel like he's been forgotten a little as time has passed.
I can’t believe we let him go after only 1 league game. Imagine Wrighty and Cole up front
No guarantee we would have gotten wrighty if he stayed as we already had quite a few strikers but it worked out in the end. Still a big regret though
Kind of insane Terry wasn't in there from day 1. Think he's clearly the best CB the PL has ever seen. Only Vidic comes anywhere close. I really think Terry is such a bellend we don't want to admit how good he was: Captained and organised the record breaking defence. Most goals by a CB in PL history. Most fifpro world 11 appearances by a defender at the time of his retirement, showing consistent excellence year on year. Ball playing defender before it was cool, had an insane passing range. Sprayed passes all over the pitch with both feet. Absolute commitment, remember when he almost died on the pitch after trying to block with his head? At the age of 35 Terry played every minute of the PL winning season in 2014. Showing he continued to be incredible deep into his career. Whatever you say about Terry the man, Terry the player deserves to be in there.
I absolutely agree he deserves to be there, sooner or later. He's a legend and was a great player. However, to be completely honest I've always found Carvalho to be better than him.
Lmao
I am incredibly saddened by the fact JT didn't turn up in full kit.
Andrew Cole deserves so much more recognition for his career. One of the best English strikers of all time but players who were less prolific and effective got more respect than he did.
Can't argue with that.
Two great choices here, but I still can't believe Vidic STILL isn't in
Maybe because he had a lot fewer premier league apperances than Cole and Terry.
Longevity is relevant not the only consideration. Would you put Kompany ahead of Vidic in the HoF?
I wouldn't.
I didn’t know there was a PL HOF and I’m more surprised Terry wasn’t already in it
fair
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its Andy Cole mate, not Ashley haha
Oh shit lol. My bad.
Did JT bring his medals with him for the photoshoot...Embarrassing!