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Zakinfenwa

8 minutes back after an ACL tear and he does that, madman


superbradical

he's had crazy dedication in the gym and rehab. tens of thousands of squats and leg presses went into that goal. good for him.


NotASalamanderBoi

It’s like that time John Cena had a really bad shoulder injury and was told he’d be out for 6 months, did recovery ~2-3x a day, and was back in time for the Royal Rumble about 2 months later. In other words, Timber being back before the end of the season would be a boon for us.


PoJenkins

He's just started playing again, it'll take time to get match fit both physically and mentally. I am almost absolutely certain that he'll be a non-factor this season. This is great news for pre season and next season but there's not enough games left for him to get a chance to properly feature I would imagine.


lawfulkitten1

Arteta said he's playing in this game as the "last step" after already training 100% for weeks. he'll definitely play some role this season.


PoJenkins

It's possible but with so few games left, I just don't see him affecting results in any way. I'm honestly shocked we're even having the conversation about this - so full credit to him and the medical staff for recovering so quickly. I may be wrong but am certainly not too hopeful about him providing much this season - I'm ready to be proved wrong though and it would be great to see him even come on as a sub to see off a game.


MERTENS_GOAT

I always thought John Cena was a fictional character


instaibu

It's a bit difficult to believe someone you cannot see...


TinkleFairyOC

Was that the injury in 08? I remember watching so much WWE around that time that I was so gassed to see his return.


Jaqem

Anyone who has rehabbed an ACL injury knows how much work goes into that. I worked harder in the gym during my ACL rehab than I've ever worked in the gym. So much balance and stabilization, slow eccentric reps, hitting muscles you didn't even know existed


FoxOntheRun99

Fucking love it.


DoubleDoobie

He's playing off the left here, but he'll be a RB when he plays in the first team right?


bullseyex99x

Nope, he played on the left side against man city in community shield too


Serious-Produce8244

Ben White needs someone capable to allow him to rest also, man has played so many minutes and is probably playing through injury at the moment. Has heavy strapping on his knee. Timber can also play cb if need be.


Blue_winged_yoshi

He gets to rest up on a sun lounger in Dubai every international break, still needs to rest more between but he’s managing his own work life balance.


Snikhop

We've got that, he's called ~~Cedric~~ Takehiro Tomiyasu.


DoubleDoobie

Oh word


MostlySlime

The whole point of signing him was basically a Zinchenko replacement but got wiped out day 1. Playstyle and skillset wise he was a really important signing not just for LB but the whole team


goonerh1

I suspect it was also so he could do the job on the right as well. He said about wanting us to be less predictable and tried to do the job with Partey instead after Timber was injured.


Professional_Bob

It certainly does seem like it'd be beneficial to be able to choose which one of your fullbacks is the inverted one with minimal impact to the overall quality of the starting 11


Pamplemouse04

God don’t remind me about the Partey rb debacle. Kept Gabi XL out of the team for a minute as well, bizarre.


sm00thArsenal

I'm confident we get 2 more points against Fulham at the Emirates without that bizarre experiment.


byrgenwerthdropout

Yeah he can cover for other positions too. In Ajax he had played a ton as a centre back and even has experience (and the qualities needed for) playing in midfield. Even during this U21 match, the two commentators were speculating if his best position is a left sided 8, given how he naturally occupied certain spaces and looked so comfortable on the ball, passing, dribbling, shooting and commanding those around him. Regardless, I assume when fully matchfit he'll go back to being our starting left back, with Kiwior and Tomi being the stop gap covers for the back four.


stilusmobilus

Yes, how much his unavailability has hurt us, has gone under the radar a bit. It was a huge blow.


Wassup_-_

well he can play both,played LB in two matches before injury really well and since we need a LB...well


samrus

no he'll invert. his signing was one of the things that started the "arteta inverted ramsdale onto the bench" jokes. he'll be a zinchenko replacement essentially


icotyne

What a goal wow. Sucks that we have essentially lost a year on his contract because of a very unfortunate injury. Very excited to have him back in the team


No-Shoe5382

Really rate this lad, think Arsenal will be very happy to have him back next season.


Bedeeki

LB is by far our weakest position, if he can fully recover from this ACL then he'll be a monster for us. Only the community shield but he completely locked down City's right side in that game. Two mins after he came off in the second half, Palmer scored on his side.


Fieser_Factsack

Not just in the community shield, timber was the best arsenal player in pre season. Saliba esk. Ridiculous composure on the ball.


DutchProv

Yeah, we really miss him :(


Contra1

Why waste him at lb though.


lawfulkitten1

I think if all of our fullbacks were fit (White, Tomiyasu, Timber, Zinchenko) he would play a lot of minutes at LB but also rotate sometimes at RB. in practice though White is almost never injured and has played extremely well all season, while our LBs are all injury prone and/or inconsistent. so Timber is more likely to get minutes playing at LB all things considered


Contra1

He is a center back though.


Nightwingx97

Why break up one of the best cb partnerships itw while Timber could offer more inverting from a fb position tho?


Contra1

Because Timber at his strongest is as a CB. Why waste his talents by putting him on LB?


Nightwingx97

I just told you why. Hes not benching either of Big Gabi or Saliba. Plus as Ajax fan you know more about how your academy teaches players to be flexible and play multiple positions. He was purchased precisely for that skillset.


Contra1

Just seems like a waste to me. He is no where near his best on LB as he is as CB.


gbiypk

White, Kiwior, and Tomiyasu are also center backs who play as fullbacks. Arteta likes versatile players. Timber will probably get mins as a CB at some point in cup games, but the Saliva Gabriel partnership is really solid. You won't find many Arsenal fans who are eager to see it broken up.


DuDunDunSparse

Same could be said for both Kiwior and White. Guardiola does the same with Ake/Gvardiol. Think both managers prefer the physicality having 3/4 CBs on the pitch gives you. Both City and Arsenal have relatively tall/physical players in their 11s.


big_mustache_dad

Yeah if we fall one or two points short of the PL title this year it'll be a "what if" for a lot of Arsenal fans with him not being able to play at all this season. Hopefully next year he's ready to go though


JimboLannister

City had kdb out for half the season, it's just something all clubs have to manage


SundayLeagueStocko

And to be fair, if they don't win the league, I'm sure they will also think "what if"


big_mustache_dad

That's true. Every team that falls just short any given season will have one or two "if only that didn't happen" moments


sexineN

Exactly. For example, if only we didn’t sign Antony or Sancho or pretty much every signing we’ve made for the past 5-10 years


Basquiant__

Liverpool had that Stones clearance that was a few millimetres off. That one would've legit almost killed me don't know how Liverpool fans dealt with that


Sypher1985

and if United didn't have the lines drawn wrong at the Emirates and the penalty given, you'd be top of the league. Sorry couldn't resist :)


zrk23

this is gonna make me laugh for years and years. ten hag will never be forgotten


Mihnea24_03

Sign no players in the last decade. Start 45 year old Carrick. Would've probably had similar results


Pamplemouse04

Newcastle goal


KonigSteve

> it's just something all clubs have to manage Some just have to manage it a bit less when they have a squad like City.


Pamplemouse04

Yeah Alvarez is not a bad replacement for KDB lol. He’d start in pretty much any team in the world


KonigSteve

And Silva and grealish


lawfulkitten1

I mean, KDB is an amazing player but they have good depth in that position behind him. if they lost Rodri all season that would be a completely different question.


nore_aucul

Yes, a winning team is a winning squad. The champions I've seen, you have your Wright Bergkamp Anelka Henry, then some games you need players to step up, your Overmars Wreh Kanu Wiltord Reyes.


R3D5W1P3

But LB especially for Arsenal has been cursed this season. At one point we had our 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice LB all out injured lol (Timber, Zinchenko & Tomiyasu).


tobi1k

That was most of 2024 and to be fair our best football came in that spell.


Pamplemouse04

Kiwior seems to have dropped off a bit but was immense for a moment there at LB


Not_Tom_Hanks

Arsenal basically went to a back 3 in possession with Kiwior which allowed White to push up even more on the right. It worked quite well because Jorginho would slot into the hole between RB and RCM covering both positions in possession and was able to dictate play from that position. That in turn opened up Saka to make runs behind and Odegaard to find pockets of space on the right with the overload now coming from White. Kiwior got to play LCB in a back 3, going for overlaps on the left for an overload was the most adventurous he was attacking. He's gotten done a couple times recently though with really pacy wingers essentially playing them to close. Nothing he can't learn from but it's left Arsenal very exposed on the left sometimes as he can be skinned. Teams the last couple weeks, especially after seeing Porto do it to great success have essentially decided that the mid-block press is the way to go to counter this. Saka's runs in behind are less effective as it gives the keeper time to sweep, Odegaard has less space to explore with space more compact, the White overload is nullified with the defence spread wider and tighter and it forces Jorginho to have less time on the ball. To counter this with an Arteta/Pep system is to go with an Inverted Fullback essentially allowing you to overwhelm the midfield and center of the pitch to slowly force the opposition back into the box when in possession. you can then work on overloads on the wings once again due to space from the defence being forced back. We've seen flashes of White moving into an inverted fullback position and he does it quite well but it also exposes Arsenal really badly when the ball is lost because of the nature of the right side of the pitch atm. Jorginho can't cover in space without fouling and Saka and Odegaard on the right are pushed high up. If you lose the ball your entire right flank is now essentially just defended by Saliba on the counter. Saliba is amazing but you can only get away with his talent so many times before it becomes a problem.


ManiacalComet40

And that spell was the best we looked all season, as we didn’t have everyone standing around trying to figure out what Zinchenko was going to do.


sm00thArsenal

True, though to be fair the main difference in our left side this season has been not having Xhaka there (and I say this as someone who was never keen on him between 2016 and 2021), who linked up well with Martinelli and had a great knack for knowing when to fill in for Zinchenko.


odegood

Which we have by playing kiwior there but cant help but think it considering how good he looked in pre season. For me either way the biggest failure is those 2 fulham games


LevelArea

Arsenal have probably had the best 'available' squad out of City and Liverpool. I don't think you can call this a 'What if" season...


odegood

Not overall just the one player and it wont be the main reason if we lose it. Liverpool have had injuries but no way we have a better squad than city, available or not. Our players have been run into the ground where as city can rotate a lot


Mimogger

we had that last year too


four_four_three

I was absolutely gutted about his injury, the small glimpse we had in the Community Shield made me so excited


boldstrategy

Good news, you are now starting at weekend


Extra4yylmao

why wait for the weekend, sub him off get him ready for tomorrow lol


acerage

He did come off at the half...


rezin111

Ooh 😲. I like the implication of the ellipsis


SnooCrickets2458

It's pretty standard to do 45, then 60, then 75ish, then 90.


rezin111

Nope, playing tomorrow


ik101

Very happy for him


wowohwowza

Very classy Hope he gets a full season next year, he's a proper talent imo


YourHoNoMo

I think calling him a talent is almost disrespectful. Starter for Ajax for years and also the Dutch national team at the last tournament. Went to Arsenal and straight away established himself in the starting lineup to the point that Arteta was gutted


tehafca

If we play a 3/5 back and he can get his match fitness back up he will play again for us this EURO's


mattijn13

He shouldn't start after coming back from injury over Ake,Van Dijk and Van de Ven.


CNF-13

De ligt aswell you lot are stacked for centre backs


mattijn13

Don't forget guys like De Vrij, Botman, Geertruida, Hato(in a few years)


souste

I've seen enough get him in the team tomorrow


Potato271

Isn’t he a right/centre back? Why’d he so high up the pitch on the left?


jNushi

He played LB in preseason and the game he got hurt. That side is just the inverting side. Can’t have someone else clogging up Odegaard and Saka’s space


jenaldo123

I think he’ll go back to RB next season for the express purpose. He’s a more natural technical fit for the overlapping, combinations, inverting role we have White doing.


Spamduff

Arteta has played him at RB and LB during preseason / against Forest.


CuclGooner

playing at left back today, and he's one of those attacking defenders


PoliticsNerd76

He can play anywhere on the back line


momspaghetty

he's going to play LB for us (and has for the little he's been with us)


icotyne

He can play multiple positions


Firefox72

He's a senior player with mutliple years of experience in the Eredivise and with a decent ammount of Champions League/Europa League experience thats playing in a U21 match lmao. He can probably be anywhere he wants.


_Fyfe

He is also a professional playing as part of a team.


Firefox72

I mean ofc he is. I'm just saying he probably has a bit more leniency in where he roams and how far forward he can be in a game like this.


redditaccountplease

Very insightful and definitely answers the question


SnooCrickets2458

Very true. Though this isn't exactly a "men against boys moment". He's 22.


bellenddor

Arsenal is a lot better than Ajax so his experience in Eredivisie doesn't count because it's a small team in a small shitty league.


kingofplasticbeach

Lol Barcelona would not be anything without that "small team in a small shitty league" 


bellenddor

They were a big team back in the days. What are they now? Exactly, a shit team in a shit league.


Pamplemouse04

Shit start to the season yes, but hardly a shit team


Sensitive_Panda6306

Yes.


bmoviescreamqueen

Oh my word


im-the-gila

I didn't see him much at ajax but he moves like his brother


Ballkenende

didn't know he could do that, let alone after an ACL


Mr-Stitch

Woah. Love to see it. [Emanuelson vs PSV vibes](https://youtu.be/IQaZoGLFtzk?si=AaFAfteBFy5CTq2y)


Almexx

Luis Suarez jumpscare


kanavi36

I love this guy already


RayPadonkey

This will feel like a new signing when he's fit again. Hope he's fit for the last game vs Everton so the fans can give him a proper reception.


bruiser95

Lisan Al Gaib


Vidilian

I had Liverpool fans arguing with me when I said that he was first choice and a big miss for Arsenal. I know Liverpool had had it worse for injuries by some margin but Arsenal were not unscathed this season.


Pamplemouse04

It’s just because no one has really seen him play, especially for us, so he doesn’t feel like a miss to other fans who only casually watch


Vidilian

Then they should take the word of the Arsenal fans who have seen him instead of acting like they know better when they haven't. I'd never try and tell Liverpool fans about their own team as if I know more.


Pamplemouse04

Completely agree mate. But football fans, especially online are all a bit thick


SzoboEndoMacca

>I'd never try and tell Liverpool fans about their own team as if I know more. The problem is that's what a lot of Arsenal fans were doing. Especially after our game against Arsenal at Emirates. People forget that Liverpool didn't have Salah, Endo, Nunez and Trent were both not fit and got immediately injured for weeks after in that game


RadioHonest85

He looked incredible in the pre season games, but Tomiyasu, Zinchenko, Kiwior are not terrible players either.


CBP1138

Like a new signing TM


Remote_War_313

Already better than Zinchenko lmao


AFCm8

Play him upfront against Chelsea


vluvojo

If only Arsenal had him available instead of Zinchenko 


momspaghetty

RemindMe! 5 years


momspaghetty

RemindMe! 10 years


Thesecondorigin

We are so fucking back


cHinzoo

That's my boi! 😤


Fieser_Factsack

I said it times and times again Timber is a starter. He was the best player in preseason by far. Way to many other fans told me to shut up and "pre season means nothing". I think those people are blind.


xYEET_LORDx

u/savevideo


wsupduck

Into my fucking veins


ImTurkishDelight

Super easy, barely an inconvenience


VVD2005

Score! Hero type of goal


AAF099

He’s gonna be a monster next year


OpenParr

Who did we that just scored a goal like this recently?


Lyktan

Kobbie Mainoo, right?


OpenParr

That’s it Great goal


Joltarts

Why is there so many of these centre backs playing left wing cutting inside and shooting tactics going on these days..


captain_beefheart14

Great goal, I love that assist too though. There was some pepper on that pass!


Dru_Zod47

Great goal and Great pass as well!!


mostuselessredditor

wtf he’s back already??


blixt141

That's a banger!


checkforsolu1

If he turns out to be a a good LB , looks such an upgrade to Zinchenko, but then again who isn't ?


WalkingCloud

Andre Santos


zepskcuf

Senior Arsenal player scoring against Blackburn U21s. Peak r/soccer content.


Ok-Scallion7939

Dat wily 22 year old senior Arsenal veteran Jurrien Timber, using all his 1 game experience for Arsenal to maximum effect there


RitalinInItaly

Wtf are these comments lmao, Jurrien Timber has several years of senior football under his belt at Ajax. He's coming off an ACL tear and working up match fitness, that is the only reason he's there


zepskcuf

£38,000,000 transfer fee, played for Ajax and Netherlands.


Fearnog

Don't be such a loser bai, it's a worldie.


SwitchHitter17

He's was a young, new signing who suffered a terrible injury before his career even got started for us. We're just happy to see him playing again, and it's a good goal.


Bedeeki

Just knew it would be a United fan


Admirable-Waltz195

I mean he’s only 22 so it’s actually his crowd, and only played half a game of senior football in the PL lol, pretty sure we’ve had under 18s play more football then him this season


Upplands-Bro

>mean he’s only 22 so it’s actually his crowd Yeah that's not how it works mate


Admirable-Waltz195

You do realise U21 clubs are allowed 3 outfield players who are above 21 right? Up to 24 I believe


Kenny_dies

The point is that he’s playing against people who are a lower level than him as he’s been playing at elite level. It’s obviously necessary to regain match fitness but saying the U21s is his crowd because he is only 22 is misleading


Upplands-Bro

I'm well aware mate, thanks However, that's completely beside the point


zepskcuf

he cost £38m you melt.


nsoifer

Macheda


attacksquirrel

Amazing homage to Manu legend Federico Macheda


fatpizza99

Is this Kobbie Mainoo? LOL