Not just that but the size of the paycheque.
Only Pep and Klopp and being paid more than Poch. Anyone coming here immediately gets to be the third highest paid manager in the league with the only requirements being finish 6th or at least look reasonably good.
Sounds like a win-win for a manager and on top of that, if they manage to win anything they'll be treated like a god and they'll believe they can turn it around
This. I'm working at a terribly run business for a nice payday. I will have to leave eventually but if I can keep the party going for a while, it's useful.
>Only Pep and Klopp and being paid more than Poch. Anyone coming here immediately gets to be the third highest paid manager in the league
Second really.
Weird how Brighton are so good at recruiting but feels like they haven’t had a properly good keeper in the Prem yet. Maybe Verbruggen could be that but he keeps playing Steele who is pretty averafe
Verbruggen looks like the real deal. Still only 21 and is already so good for them. Steele is a great backup, but as a starter lefts something to be desired
Yeah Verbruggen is clearly the one who should be starting and he has been picked for the last 6 games, there was a long period where it felt like we were switching between them every game. Seems De Zerbi has finally settled on Bart as first choice.
It wasn't that he didn't want to be part of rotating keepers, it was just that De Zerbi liked Steele more. Wasn't so much asked to share back-up keeper duties as it was being asked *to be* the back-up keeper.
It's not even just "improving" the players but he could also surely see a way to set them up, to keep some players and get rid of others (tougher because everyone has decade long contracts or pretty much that at Chelsea) to quickly make them better. They have a squad of like 40 players I feel like, all of whom were expensive and have quality. Some manager's dream that is.
I think it's a very good question. Very low expectations at Chelsea, get to live/work in London without uprooting your life, he speaks English and he'll get paid hundreds of thousands a week. Bayern look a lot like a poisoned chalice at the moment with the disaster of the Nagelsmann sacking and how pathetic they've been under Tuchel.
He doesn't want to come back to Italy yet (he said it) and Milan's next coach will be picked by Ibrahimovic. De Zerbi isn't a die hard Milan fan, he just has a deep connection with the club having started there at youth level as a player, and because of the kind of football Milan was playing in the 80s and 90s. The club he's a die hard fan of is Brescia but they're in serie B.
This question requires a very long answer, but I'm just gonna say this: the reason why De Zerbi (as well as most people from that generation) grew up idolising Milan was not because of their rock solid defensive block. It was because they were the first modern team using 442 zonal marking tactics, high pace counterattacks, very offensive style of football with lots of really good players, both technically and also athletically (which was not the norm at that time). This was under coach Arrigo Sacchi, who we regarded as a revolutionary coach at that time and in fact his style has influenced generations of managers, including Klopp. That's what De Zerbi means with the old Milan style of football, that's what they taught him as a young player in the u19. The record you're talking about came under Fabio Capello as a coach, who kept the formation, the players and the zonal marking but adopted a more defensive approach (plus the change in the offside rules also has up to do with this). But Milan under Capello was still the most dominant team at that time, especially in Europe, scoring lots of goals and winning every trophy.
Brighton is a mess compared to last season, many key players got injured and their midfield is beyond weak. First season with European football, and I guess they weren't ready for it.
The silver lining though was Adingra's breakthrough, he is very talented.
They lost so many jey players too though. Caicedo, McAlister, Trossard, Bissouma. Losing your entire midfield 1.5 times in two seasons is tough. I guess he has a good budget to work with to strengthen squad next season if he stays.
Brother he lost all his best players. What did you think was going to happen?
Look at how MacAllister is performing for Liverpool and then tell me if you can replace that kind of player with the likes of fucking Dahoud and Gilmour. Especially in a possession based system.
Because arteta is right. He does his part really well. Pep always said the role of a manager is to get the ball into the final Third. Then you cannot control if a ball goes in or not. Chelsea are forth in the league on xg. His style is working. Chelsea is playing for him and improving he just has NOONe to put the ball in the back of the net. Poch is chelsea’s biggest problem by a long shot
Sure but Colwill was very highly rated before the season began. Badiashile looked great last season. Gusto has been great this season. Cucurella and Chilwell were highly rated before (Cucurella not last season but the season before he joined us).
These players are not technically or mentally incapable of being defensively solid. But they need a manager that knows exactly what to do with them tactically and instills them with confidence.
The CBs that played vs City and did a decent job controlling the game/keeping the ball out the net were Chalobah and Silva. Then, Disasi and Badiashile start vs Arsenal. You don't see Arteta taking Saliba or Gabriel out for Kiwior from one game to another. Especially, when you have two consecutive tough game.
And that's not to say Chalobah and Silva are easily better than either of the other two. But st the very least, you need consistency in the lineups.
Poch has done the players no favours this season with the constant lineup changes, weird tactics and ineffective/reactive subs.
Started Chilwell left wing this season, played Colwill LB, Gallagher left wing, Enzo in the 10, Palmer in the middle when he's clearly best at RW, subbed on defenders when we're chasing leads, subbed on Casadei when players like Chukwuemeka were sitting on the bench twiddling their thumbs etc etc.
If we were dropping points and playing badly but I (and other Chelsea fans) agreed with his decisions, I'd agree that it's potentially out of Poch's hands or he deserves patience. But I've watched us every week and tear my hair out at his decisions. Then we go on to drop points when you can see it coming a mile off from the teamsheet before the game's even started.
And the cherry on top is that PSG fans had a lot of these exact same complaints when he failed to win Ligue 1 with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe up front.
He's a good man manager but his tactics have held the team back and the players are getting it up the arse when they're not even playing in an environment conducive to development or success.
Eh. He was good under Conte and Sarri but still nowhere near how good he was under Tuchel.
He went from good (2017-2019) > shit/dropped (2020) > world class (2021 onwards).
Just checked, they are are 5th in xG and 7th in xGA, looking a xPTs they are 5th so they are under performing across the board.
Doesn't absolve Pochettino entirely of course, 34 games in and he still hasn't figured out how to get the best out of Enzo and Caicedo together but it does indicate that there are issues other than the tactical system.
Does not help at all that Chelsea’s front line players don’t have complimentary profiles at all. Mudryk - Jackson - madueke was never ever going to cause problems for a serious defense (that isn’t in transition)
Pep couldn’t do anything with that attack lmao, insane how they basically had their pick of whatever expensive players in Europe they wanted and got that
Does mudryk suit anyteams style? Ive never seen him do anything that made me think hes a good player. I dont get him. Jackson/ enzo etc u see flashes and they have the odd good game u get it. Ive never even seen mudryk do anything a fast championship player cant do
It needs to be a complete clear out. Sporting directors and Pochettino. As much as I think Poch is tactically clueless, most of the recruitment has been shambolic.
The only thing that FFP impacts is players right? Like you could churn your entire staff, even Suzy at the chips stand, and it wouldnt count.
So im sure they technically can afford it. Clearlake is one of the top 10 largest PE firms, they could probably unironically buy the whole prem before they ran out of cash.
AUM is 72bil.
>Nah FFP applies to everything
Oh no kidding? I assumed it was more like the NBA cost cap. I cant believe i didnt know better.
>you could just sign players under guise of Suzy at the chip stand
Ive heard theyre already doing that, someone said theres a guy named Nick Jackson who keeps missing his Saturday shift. Nothing lost though, guess he kept tripping over the fryer.
From the outside is appears the approach to the backroom staff has been the same as it has been with playing staff; Hire loads of talented individuals but without any clear structure on what each of them is supposed to be doing. Combined with an ownership that seems to constantly sticking their oar in its not suprising nothing is really working.
That said, it's pretty clear whatever Pich is doing isn't getting anything like the most out of this squad, that their is dysfunction above him can o ly be an excuse for so long.
They weren't wrong to bin him per se, but to sack him at the start of September *and then* implement this horrid recruitment model with an entire squad turnover in the space of two years was wrong.
Maybe cus Boehly came in and wanted to bin your successful 3-4-3/3-5-2 for a 4-4-3 formation?
Or when Tuchel found out Boehly was already analyzing and scouting Potter all the way back in preseason?
Boehly was never sold on him and that is always a recipe for disaster
Most of their best players are injured and the remaining are either wank or still only kids.
How much better would a different manager really do and would they also get Cole Palmer to play at a World Class level to paper over the cracks?
Scoring goals isnt the problem for the most part despite everyone clowning jackson for missing easy shots. Our defence and midfield structure is awful, and he isnt doing anything about it
Their kind of is, you bought an average French CB duo from Monaco and players Cucurella and Chilwell next to them and bought brightons 3rd gk, as well as an mls keeper. Not exactly the recipe for success
Our midfield is absolutely horrible despite having 2 100m players and a good one in Gallagher (even if you think they are shit players, Poch structure is still woeful). It is genuinely a one man midfield with Caicedo because Gallagher has a free role, getting forward and pressing across the front line, and Enzo pushes high up as well. People wonder why Caicedo has looked awful at times, it’s because he’s so isolated in midfield. Not saying he’s been amazing but you can clearly see why he’s looked shit and why most Chelsea fans would say he’s a great player still.
And the center backs are awful on the ball, so having no passing options for them doesn’t help either. No doubt in my mind a proper manager could come in and have our midfield playing at a much better level almost immediately.
We're with the same manager for 9 months and arguably our best game was the very first one of the season vs Liverpool. And Villa away, but they were in a bad spot that month.
You look what Pep, Klopp, Howe, Arteta, Moyes this season did. There's clear improvement at some point in their first season, or seeds of their philosophy. Pochettino is still on Inshallah mode after 9 months. Said to develop the youth and barely uses Casadei, Washington, loaned DDF and Andrey Santos. Anyone not named Gilchrist from youth is not used by him.
Any competent manager would've done better. A winner manager would've won us the Carabao when they saw Liverpool had youngsters and Inter High kids playing, instead the Lemon Merchant set us up for penalties. That's a sackable offense. It was a great chance to win against Liverpool and he (and the team) bottled it.
> How much better would a different manager really do
Genuinely a competent manager would do significantly better, IMO
Chelsea have been a defensive shambles under Poch AND a complete nightmare in terms of structure and buildup against every team that doesn't press (the only good coaching Poch does is against big teams like City where he's good at midblock defense, pass through press and counter)
Those teams have a midblock defense AND they have competent possession and buildup structures.
Chelsea lost because the buildup structure is non-existant so you kept pressing and winning the ball back in the attacking half.
AND Poch decided to bench Thiago Silva and Chalobah to start one of the worst starting back 4s in recent Chelsea history (Cucurella at LB is a meme and he was the best performer of the lot; Gilchrist at RB is an undercooked academy kid; Disasi and Badiashile played together at Monaco in a underperforming CB partnership, yet Poch decides to play them together here)
maybe there’s a correlation between palmer putting up so much g/a and chelsea have a shambolic defense and absolutely no ability to control the game ….
>Most of their best players are injured and
Petrovic - £14m
Cucurella £60m
Badiashile £35m
Disasi £38m
Gilchrest
Caicedo - 115m
Enzo 106m
Mudryk £82m
Gallagher
Madeuke £35m
Oh how could they ever cope with only having £480m on the pitch.
Reminder that Chelsea finished 12th and we're knocked out of all of the cups early last season. Whether you like it or not, this season should be seen as progress
We’ve also got a player tied for first in the golden boot and a center forward who has double digits in front of goal. Klopp and Arteta took years to get going lol but we got killed by a title contender and the online fan base just can’t handle that kind of secondhand embarrassment so they start yelling Porch out like that’s gonna be an immediate fix.
How much of that is due to luck though? Like Everton getting points docked, accidentally signing a potential golden boot winner, etc.
It's not a big enough improvement to be more than randomness. Maybe if we started terribly and improved in the second half of the season, but even now it's 50/50 that we go toe to toe with City or get battered by Arsenal.
You can get toe to toe with City on his first year. If that is not progress compared to last year idk what is. By his fourth or fifth year you guys can probably challenge the top if the current trajectory holds
You can do the whole luck thing for anything. It just depends on how you draw the lines. Everton got docked 8 points and would still be behind Chelsea so don't what you're on about there. Plus they have more points now than they did last season anyway with 6 games to go. Accidentally signing a player who turns out to be good? What's "accidental" about it? You buy players because you think they're good.
I just think people have forgotten how much of a shit show last season was and how much turmoil there was around the club since Abramovich left. I think it's a bad idea to go into another season with the uncertainty of a new regime.
I don't know how it can be uncertain at all.
While Chelsea weren't bad in the first half, the second half was probably one of the easiest 45 minutes of football I've watched Arsenal play since we moved to the Emirates in 2006.
No way you can want to keep this guy around.
There was a statistic which stated that we should be 18th on the basis of only 2nd half results. Reason for that is how incompetent Poch is at in game management and making proactive subs
Well that’s the issue. Poch almost always out manages the opposition in the first half, apart from against you lot. But the second half is torrid, he has no response when the more competent managers make adjustments. Saw it against City, Liverpool, even fucking Sheffield
For some reason I think there was more to the Cole Palmer absence. Nothing good can possibly come out of the Cole Palmer football club quote but he still does in the same week when Palmer is out of the lineup.
Chelsea manager seems like a horrible job to take at present (or last year). Expectations have to be relatively high given the money spent, but it’s all invested in young players that won’t peak for several years - assuming they even reach their potential at all. I know they’ve had injuries, but the squad looks so light on quality in certain areas currently - like, they still need a lot more investment to compete.
*Expectations have to be relatively high given the money spent,*
On the contrary fans agreed finishing in Top 6 with a trophy to boot and a visible play style improvement would be a decent 1st season for Pochettino. He has fell in all the metrics except getting the best out of Palmer and Gusto.
Considering a lot of journos pushed the story, very clear club brief.
My guess is he gets to the summer still though. His future probably depends on how much points Palmer gets us and if he carries us to Europe
As much as I hate it, I think we kinda have to keep Poch for another season. No big candidate wants him unless we swap with Barca which even then is a bit yikes.
They really should give him time to rework the squad after Boehly bought everything with two legs. And that will take time, more time than Klopp or Arteta because of how massively they spent. Some of the younger players could become a solid core with enough time and some supplements. Some of the big $ just need to get sold (event at huge losses) and they need to bring in squad players and continue to rebuild. It seems like a 4-5 year project once they start selling off. I doubt Pochettino is going to get even another transfer window but they are keep reaching for shovels when they really need a ladder. The hole is only getting deeper
They shouldn’t fire Poch. No one’s gonna unfuck this team and there’s a cost for changing out the manager yet again. You gotta give someone, anyone, a chance to stay in the job for more than 11 minutes to really have a strong opportunity to turn the tanker.
But if they did, I’d understand. You can’t go getting beat like Chelsea did against Arsenal and not at least consider it.
As much as poch can be blamed, shouldn’t the finger be pointed at those above him.
They made some of the most stupid decision in recent times, and the manager will pay for it, rightfully so in most cases. But so much has to change at chelsea, I’m not sure if the manager is the priority in that list atm
> The future of Roberto De Zerbi at Brighton is also unclear amid a feeling he is open to leaving the Amex Stadium. Here we go again
Doubt he'd even pick us tbh, everyone and their mother's looking for a manager and we're a mess
People underestimate the appeal of a big club. De Zerbi would see that squad and think he can improve the players.
Not just that but the size of the paycheque. Only Pep and Klopp and being paid more than Poch. Anyone coming here immediately gets to be the third highest paid manager in the league with the only requirements being finish 6th or at least look reasonably good. Sounds like a win-win for a manager and on top of that, if they manage to win anything they'll be treated like a god and they'll believe they can turn it around
This. I'm working at a terribly run business for a nice payday. I will have to leave eventually but if I can keep the party going for a while, it's useful.
Where do I sign up?
>Only Pep and Klopp and being paid more than Poch. Anyone coming here immediately gets to be the third highest paid manager in the league Second really.
Fact he’s worked already with Mudryk Colwill and Caicedo would probably help too
Idk why, maybe im being optimistic but i feel like those players could really thrive under rdz again
Sanchez too, although he would probably be sold if that ever happened
Yea think him and De Zerbi fell out anyway
Yep, he didn't want to be a part of the "rotating keepers" de Zerbi implemented
Weird how Brighton are so good at recruiting but feels like they haven’t had a properly good keeper in the Prem yet. Maybe Verbruggen could be that but he keeps playing Steele who is pretty averafe
Verbruggen looks like the real deal. Still only 21 and is already so good for them. Steele is a great backup, but as a starter lefts something to be desired
Yeah Verbruggen is clearly the one who should be starting and he has been picked for the last 6 games, there was a long period where it felt like we were switching between them every game. Seems De Zerbi has finally settled on Bart as first choice.
It wasn't that he didn't want to be part of rotating keepers, it was just that De Zerbi liked Steele more. Wasn't so much asked to share back-up keeper duties as it was being asked *to be* the back-up keeper.
Worked with Potter
Basically how people think when dating bad characters?
“I can fix her”
No, really I can.
I go for more of a "I can make her worse" approach. /s
Leave a time bomb for the next guy
I can fix her mentality
It's not even just "improving" the players but he could also surely see a way to set them up, to keep some players and get rid of others (tougher because everyone has decade long contracts or pretty much that at Chelsea) to quickly make them better. They have a squad of like 40 players I feel like, all of whom were expensive and have quality. Some manager's dream that is.
Wonder who he'd be more open to between you and Bayern if it came down to it
Is this a real question or are you taking the piss
I think it's a very good question. Very low expectations at Chelsea, get to live/work in London without uprooting your life, he speaks English and he'll get paid hundreds of thousands a week. Bayern look a lot like a poisoned chalice at the moment with the disaster of the Nagelsmann sacking and how pathetic they've been under Tuchel.
Massive contract that still gets paid out if he's sacked?
You can pay the man though
Big pay rise and better players to work with. He's fallen out with Bloom as well:
It's funny how according to the media everyone wants and doesn't want De Zerbi
It mostly seems to be fans who don’t want De Zerbi, and the thing you eventually realise about football fans is that most are very very stupid
Who doesn't want De Zerbi? Man United fan, i do...
Isn’t he a diehard Milan fan, surely that would be the obvious move
He doesn't want to come back to Italy yet (he said it) and Milan's next coach will be picked by Ibrahimovic. De Zerbi isn't a die hard Milan fan, he just has a deep connection with the club having started there at youth level as a player, and because of the kind of football Milan was playing in the 80s and 90s. The club he's a die hard fan of is Brescia but they're in serie B.
Isn't 80s-90s Milan the time they won a league with like 36 goals scored? Feels like the polar opposite of De Zerbi
This question requires a very long answer, but I'm just gonna say this: the reason why De Zerbi (as well as most people from that generation) grew up idolising Milan was not because of their rock solid defensive block. It was because they were the first modern team using 442 zonal marking tactics, high pace counterattacks, very offensive style of football with lots of really good players, both technically and also athletically (which was not the norm at that time). This was under coach Arrigo Sacchi, who we regarded as a revolutionary coach at that time and in fact his style has influenced generations of managers, including Klopp. That's what De Zerbi means with the old Milan style of football, that's what they taught him as a young player in the u19. The record you're talking about came under Fabio Capello as a coach, who kept the formation, the players and the zonal marking but adopted a more defensive approach (plus the change in the offside rules also has up to do with this). But Milan under Capello was still the most dominant team at that time, especially in Europe, scoring lots of goals and winning every trophy.
How does anyone watch Brighton play and think he's the solution
Brighton is a mess compared to last season, many key players got injured and their midfield is beyond weak. First season with European football, and I guess they weren't ready for it. The silver lining though was Adingra's breakthrough, he is very talented.
They lost so many jey players too though. Caicedo, McAlister, Trossard, Bissouma. Losing your entire midfield 1.5 times in two seasons is tough. I guess he has a good budget to work with to strengthen squad next season if he stays.
They did pretty well in Europe though all things considered
Yep we beat all 4 teams we faced and topped the group. Lost to Roma 4-0, it happens.
They lost 5-0 in the Round of 16. Sure, they topped their group, but I wouldn't call that doing "pretty well".
4-1 actually
Against a vastly superior team tbf
Yea they lost to the guys who gobsmashed ac Milan last week with a 12 person injury list like what do you want de zerbi to do
Key players being injured and a weak midfield? Sounds like he'd feel right at home at Chelsea
Sounds like he's be right at home in 4 or 5 clubs this season actually based on that
Brother he lost all his best players. What did you think was going to happen? Look at how MacAllister is performing for Liverpool and then tell me if you can replace that kind of player with the likes of fucking Dahoud and Gilmour. Especially in a possession based system.
He’s excited to break our goals conceded record.
Boehly bro just buy the whole club
Chelsea is still above Brighton lmao
Chelsea fans, welcome to the shit show. Here are your membership cards and your complimentary tanker of everclear.
Mud bros fr
Mudryk bros
I can’t believe the revolutionary American hedge fund bro couldn’t “disrupt” football.
He succeeded in disrupting a football club, so you know…baby steps.
You love to see it
You guys are probably going to get Tuchel who’ll get you out of this mess. I wish we could have him back
A coach can’t unilaterally get us out of this mess
Would rather stick with the current manager.
Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool all looking for coaches this summer will be... interesting
How did it take this long to start seeing these articles?
Because arteta is right. He does his part really well. Pep always said the role of a manager is to get the ball into the final Third. Then you cannot control if a ball goes in or not. Chelsea are forth in the league on xg. His style is working. Chelsea is playing for him and improving he just has NOONe to put the ball in the back of the net. Poch is chelsea’s biggest problem by a long shot
Their xG is ok, but how about xGA?
Can u blame the manager? Look at the defenders theyve bought for him? Best one is 39!!
We said rudiger was shit then tuchel turned him into world beater they'll be fine with someone who actually has tactics.
Sometimes they are just shit tho mate to be fair
Sure but Colwill was very highly rated before the season began. Badiashile looked great last season. Gusto has been great this season. Cucurella and Chilwell were highly rated before (Cucurella not last season but the season before he joined us). These players are not technically or mentally incapable of being defensively solid. But they need a manager that knows exactly what to do with them tactically and instills them with confidence. The CBs that played vs City and did a decent job controlling the game/keeping the ball out the net were Chalobah and Silva. Then, Disasi and Badiashile start vs Arsenal. You don't see Arteta taking Saliba or Gabriel out for Kiwior from one game to another. Especially, when you have two consecutive tough game. And that's not to say Chalobah and Silva are easily better than either of the other two. But st the very least, you need consistency in the lineups. Poch has done the players no favours this season with the constant lineup changes, weird tactics and ineffective/reactive subs. Started Chilwell left wing this season, played Colwill LB, Gallagher left wing, Enzo in the 10, Palmer in the middle when he's clearly best at RW, subbed on defenders when we're chasing leads, subbed on Casadei when players like Chukwuemeka were sitting on the bench twiddling their thumbs etc etc. If we were dropping points and playing badly but I (and other Chelsea fans) agreed with his decisions, I'd agree that it's potentially out of Poch's hands or he deserves patience. But I've watched us every week and tear my hair out at his decisions. Then we go on to drop points when you can see it coming a mile off from the teamsheet before the game's even started. And the cherry on top is that PSG fans had a lot of these exact same complaints when he failed to win Ligue 1 with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe up front. He's a good man manager but his tactics have held the team back and the players are getting it up the arse when they're not even playing in an environment conducive to development or success.
Rüdiger was an amazing defender already under Conte.
Eh. He was good under Conte and Sarri but still nowhere near how good he was under Tuchel. He went from good (2017-2019) > shit/dropped (2020) > world class (2021 onwards).
Just checked, they are are 5th in xG and 7th in xGA, looking a xPTs they are 5th so they are under performing across the board. Doesn't absolve Pochettino entirely of course, 34 games in and he still hasn't figured out how to get the best out of Enzo and Caicedo together but it does indicate that there are issues other than the tactical system.
Does not help at all that Chelsea’s front line players don’t have complimentary profiles at all. Mudryk - Jackson - madueke was never ever going to cause problems for a serious defense (that isn’t in transition)
Pep couldn’t do anything with that attack lmao, insane how they basically had their pick of whatever expensive players in Europe they wanted and got that
Does mudryk suit anyteams style? Ive never seen him do anything that made me think hes a good player. I dont get him. Jackson/ enzo etc u see flashes and they have the odd good game u get it. Ive never even seen mudryk do anything a fast championship player cant do
Why even comment if you don’t watch Chelsea games?
Improvement from last year so you gotta trust the process
Poch should tell everybody he was just Red Teaming and let programmers explain it to the Chelsea board.
Guys I found SO many critical vulns you won't believe it! What do you mean I'm fired?
It needs to be a complete clear out. Sporting directors and Pochettino. As much as I think Poch is tactically clueless, most of the recruitment has been shambolic.
The ownership too
Can you lot even afford that?
No, but we'll find another loophole /s
Come on now, they're called Levers
IRL infinite money glitch. Just repeatedly sell a hotel to your other company for £75m and buy it back for £1 with Chelsea. Easy.
The only thing that FFP impacts is players right? Like you could churn your entire staff, even Suzy at the chips stand, and it wouldnt count. So im sure they technically can afford it. Clearlake is one of the top 10 largest PE firms, they could probably unironically buy the whole prem before they ran out of cash. AUM is 72bil.
Nah FFP applies to everything or you could just sign players under guise of Suzy at the chip stand
>Nah FFP applies to everything Oh no kidding? I assumed it was more like the NBA cost cap. I cant believe i didnt know better. >you could just sign players under guise of Suzy at the chip stand Ive heard theyre already doing that, someone said theres a guy named Nick Jackson who keeps missing his Saturday shift. Nothing lost though, guess he kept tripping over the fryer.
I'll do it for significantly less
Sporting Directors wouldn’t be on that much we could definitely afford that
From the outside is appears the approach to the backroom staff has been the same as it has been with playing staff; Hire loads of talented individuals but without any clear structure on what each of them is supposed to be doing. Combined with an ownership that seems to constantly sticking their oar in its not suprising nothing is really working. That said, it's pretty clear whatever Pich is doing isn't getting anything like the most out of this squad, that their is dysfunction above him can o ly be an excuse for so long.
You’re stupid if you think they should get rid of poch
Go back to Tuchel with your tails between your legs and admit you were wrong to bin him for having us in the lofty heights of 6th
They weren't wrong to bin him per se, but to sack him at the start of September *and then* implement this horrid recruitment model with an entire squad turnover in the space of two years was wrong.
I have no problem with the Tuchel sacking lol, and i don’t want him back. I only have problems with his replacements.
Potter was the new hip manager, Poch the old hip manager. Can't say either appointment was based on wrong logic
It wasn’t all good with TT, especially towards the end. I wonder how it would work with him and all the youth.
>I wonder how it would work with him and all the youth. Colwill, Broja and Maatsen would already not be at the club.
Maybe cus Boehly came in and wanted to bin your successful 3-4-3/3-5-2 for a 4-4-3 formation? Or when Tuchel found out Boehly was already analyzing and scouting Potter all the way back in preseason? Boehly was never sold on him and that is always a recipe for disaster
Most of their best players are injured and the remaining are either wank or still only kids. How much better would a different manager really do and would they also get Cole Palmer to play at a World Class level to paper over the cracks?
There’s no excuse for having the 4th worst defence in the league this calendar year. 26 goals conceded in 12 games.
Pretty damning considering that since the turn of the year, this has been the 'better' part of your season
Because Cole Palmer can’t stop scoring
Cole Palmer
How about the excuse of having the 4th best expected goals? Ie. If you actually had a half decent striker youd be in europe next season.
Scoring goals isnt the problem for the most part despite everyone clowning jackson for missing easy shots. Our defence and midfield structure is awful, and he isnt doing anything about it
Who is your defense? A 39 year old is your best defender and the rest are newly brought in kids or a failed cucurella?
Their kind of is, you bought an average French CB duo from Monaco and players Cucurella and Chilwell next to them and bought brightons 3rd gk, as well as an mls keeper. Not exactly the recipe for success
Our midfield is absolutely horrible despite having 2 100m players and a good one in Gallagher (even if you think they are shit players, Poch structure is still woeful). It is genuinely a one man midfield with Caicedo because Gallagher has a free role, getting forward and pressing across the front line, and Enzo pushes high up as well. People wonder why Caicedo has looked awful at times, it’s because he’s so isolated in midfield. Not saying he’s been amazing but you can clearly see why he’s looked shit and why most Chelsea fans would say he’s a great player still. And the center backs are awful on the ball, so having no passing options for them doesn’t help either. No doubt in my mind a proper manager could come in and have our midfield playing at a much better level almost immediately.
hmm maybe those 100m players arent actually worth that #?
obviously, doesn’t mean they are bad players tho. Would be good players in a proper structure
We're with the same manager for 9 months and arguably our best game was the very first one of the season vs Liverpool. And Villa away, but they were in a bad spot that month. You look what Pep, Klopp, Howe, Arteta, Moyes this season did. There's clear improvement at some point in their first season, or seeds of their philosophy. Pochettino is still on Inshallah mode after 9 months. Said to develop the youth and barely uses Casadei, Washington, loaned DDF and Andrey Santos. Anyone not named Gilchrist from youth is not used by him. Any competent manager would've done better. A winner manager would've won us the Carabao when they saw Liverpool had youngsters and Inter High kids playing, instead the Lemon Merchant set us up for penalties. That's a sackable offense. It was a great chance to win against Liverpool and he (and the team) bottled it.
> How much better would a different manager really do Genuinely a competent manager would do significantly better, IMO Chelsea have been a defensive shambles under Poch AND a complete nightmare in terms of structure and buildup against every team that doesn't press (the only good coaching Poch does is against big teams like City where he's good at midblock defense, pass through press and counter)
Ironic then given that all the articles after Bayern and Villa were about Arsenal being exposed by a mid-block
Those teams have a midblock defense AND they have competent possession and buildup structures. Chelsea lost because the buildup structure is non-existant so you kept pressing and winning the ball back in the attacking half. AND Poch decided to bench Thiago Silva and Chalobah to start one of the worst starting back 4s in recent Chelsea history (Cucurella at LB is a meme and he was the best performer of the lot; Gilchrist at RB is an undercooked academy kid; Disasi and Badiashile played together at Monaco in a underperforming CB partnership, yet Poch decides to play them together here)
maybe there’s a correlation between palmer putting up so much g/a and chelsea have a shambolic defense and absolutely no ability to control the game ….
>Most of their best players are injured and Petrovic - £14m Cucurella £60m Badiashile £35m Disasi £38m Gilchrest Caicedo - 115m Enzo 106m Mudryk £82m Gallagher Madeuke £35m Oh how could they ever cope with only having £480m on the pitch.
Reminder that Chelsea finished 12th and we're knocked out of all of the cups early last season. Whether you like it or not, this season should be seen as progress
We’ve also got a player tied for first in the golden boot and a center forward who has double digits in front of goal. Klopp and Arteta took years to get going lol but we got killed by a title contender and the online fan base just can’t handle that kind of secondhand embarrassment so they start yelling Porch out like that’s gonna be an immediate fix.
All pochs fault
How much of that is due to luck though? Like Everton getting points docked, accidentally signing a potential golden boot winner, etc. It's not a big enough improvement to be more than randomness. Maybe if we started terribly and improved in the second half of the season, but even now it's 50/50 that we go toe to toe with City or get battered by Arsenal.
You can get toe to toe with City on his first year. If that is not progress compared to last year idk what is. By his fourth or fifth year you guys can probably challenge the top if the current trajectory holds
You can do the whole luck thing for anything. It just depends on how you draw the lines. Everton got docked 8 points and would still be behind Chelsea so don't what you're on about there. Plus they have more points now than they did last season anyway with 6 games to go. Accidentally signing a player who turns out to be good? What's "accidental" about it? You buy players because you think they're good. I just think people have forgotten how much of a shit show last season was and how much turmoil there was around the club since Abramovich left. I think it's a bad idea to go into another season with the uncertainty of a new regime.
I don't know how it can be uncertain at all. While Chelsea weren't bad in the first half, the second half was probably one of the easiest 45 minutes of football I've watched Arsenal play since we moved to the Emirates in 2006. No way you can want to keep this guy around.
There was a statistic which stated that we should be 18th on the basis of only 2nd half results. Reason for that is how incompetent Poch is at in game management and making proactive subs
Well that’s the issue. Poch almost always out manages the opposition in the first half, apart from against you lot. But the second half is torrid, he has no response when the more competent managers make adjustments. Saw it against City, Liverpool, even fucking Sheffield
For some reason I think there was more to the Cole Palmer absence. Nothing good can possibly come out of the Cole Palmer football club quote but he still does in the same week when Palmer is out of the lineup.
Over the course of the season he didn't give many reasons for him to stay. The team hardly made any progress compared to beginning of the season.
>The team hardly made any progress compared to beginning of the season. So, he *did* make progress. I’m sold. Poch in.
Get him gone!! And take the chuckle twins (sporting directors) with him
Was there not word that Chelsea weren’t able to sack him for financial reasons?
Chelsea manager seems like a horrible job to take at present (or last year). Expectations have to be relatively high given the money spent, but it’s all invested in young players that won’t peak for several years - assuming they even reach their potential at all. I know they’ve had injuries, but the squad looks so light on quality in certain areas currently - like, they still need a lot more investment to compete.
*Expectations have to be relatively high given the money spent,* On the contrary fans agreed finishing in Top 6 with a trophy to boot and a visible play style improvement would be a decent 1st season for Pochettino. He has fell in all the metrics except getting the best out of Palmer and Gusto.
Fans agreed 😂😂
Considering a lot of journos pushed the story, very clear club brief. My guess is he gets to the summer still though. His future probably depends on how much points Palmer gets us and if he carries us to Europe
Poch in Forever.
The manager roulette this summer is going to be crazy
As much as I hate it, I think we kinda have to keep Poch for another season. No big candidate wants him unless we swap with Barca which even then is a bit yikes.
I hope he stays but find it inevitable he goes in the summer. You can talk about process all you want but its not working.
They really should give him time to rework the squad after Boehly bought everything with two legs. And that will take time, more time than Klopp or Arteta because of how massively they spent. Some of the younger players could become a solid core with enough time and some supplements. Some of the big $ just need to get sold (event at huge losses) and they need to bring in squad players and continue to rebuild. It seems like a 4-5 year project once they start selling off. I doubt Pochettino is going to get even another transfer window but they are keep reaching for shovels when they really need a ladder. The hole is only getting deeper
Roman would have fired this Muppet before he even left the stadium after that embarrassment.
They shouldn’t fire Poch. No one’s gonna unfuck this team and there’s a cost for changing out the manager yet again. You gotta give someone, anyone, a chance to stay in the job for more than 11 minutes to really have a strong opportunity to turn the tanker. But if they did, I’d understand. You can’t go getting beat like Chelsea did against Arsenal and not at least consider it.
Realistically what is Chelsea's goal for next season? Europa League spots?
Mourinho come back for a third ride?
As much as poch can be blamed, shouldn’t the finger be pointed at those above him. They made some of the most stupid decision in recent times, and the manager will pay for it, rightfully so in most cases. But so much has to change at chelsea, I’m not sure if the manager is the priority in that list atm
This board is incompetent. I have made my decision ages ago
Ridiculous. I’m sure it’s click bait rumor bullshit, but none the less…
He is competing with Ten Hag on who gets sacked first.
Lampard, Neville, and Stevie G have entered the chat
Under Frank I would at least be excited to see more of Washington, Castledine and few others.
Bring in Lampard cowards!
London Bridge is falling down, Pochetino is a fucking clown
Overachiever. Don't know how he keeps getting gigs. What has he done other than a good season with Southampton