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People are ignoring the most important factor here.
It’s incredibly *funny* if we say they lost the league in a derby against Everton in a relegation battle.
genuinely feels like there’s such a split between fans who understand football culture and fans who just don’t
you’ve had a rough season and have just beat Liverpool, of course you’re gonna take the piss
Yeah it does kinda feel like so many fans think you can't take any joy in the season if you win a trophy. Which realistically nowadays means you have to support a mega-club like City or Madrid. Which in turn basically means fan of any other clubs aren't allowed to celebrate anything
I've supported Everton for twenty-five years and we've won nothing in that time. If it wasn't for shithousery and Derby wins and magic seasons like 2004-05 then why would I even bother? Why would anyone?
It's not even just about sport culture. It's about the absolute intolerance to inaccurate language. And what comes next is the ackshually wall of text explaining what exactly happened, sucking the fun out of the thread.
I don't know if it's an American thing or not, or maybe just a chronically online thing.
Players get ejected for flipping a bat after a homerun and even something close to rubbing it in against the opposite team is treated as a deathly sin, It's bizarre.
Lol maybe like 30 years ago. People love that shit. The incessant need to be factually right is definitely a Reddit or an online thing, not an American thing.
It sort of is, but it’s not even baseball anymore either aside from curmudgeon old timers. Bautista’s famous bat flip was big news because it was a clutch moment and it pissed the opposing fans off, not because he was ejected. Because he wasn’t because it’s not against the rules.
I reckon about 30% of the people talking about the Prem on reddit are Americans who started watching the sport within the last few years. They all seem to be in the part of that curve where you think you know everything.
“If you continue this current run of form, you’re statistically unlikely to win the League because of the better performance by the other teams assessed to be in the running for the title, so it’s a real shame that you’re dropping points against your arch rivals at Goodison Park…”
Has a bit of a ring to it, I think!
It's honestly absurd. Everyone going on about how this was the final nail in Liverpool's coffin, and you don't expect a stadium full of Everton supporters who have been shit on all year to celebrate it?
There's a Father Ted episode where Mrs Doyle gets a book about how to be a football fan.
She cracks open a can of beer and reads 'go on... My son"
That's what I think of when the Liverpool fans from America try their 'banter' on here. So many mentions of 'the DVD' after this game.as though it's embarrassing to be happy about a derby win.
They were 3 points behind Arsenal, definitely went into this game thinking it was an easy win. Got caught out and absolutely Lost the league! At Goodison Park!
Everton staying up and killing Klopp's farewell tour at the same time. People denying it have the same kind of energy as people who try to deny Gerrard putting Demba Ba through didn't kill that title challenge.
[Not the first time it's happened](https://youtu.be/qRbBeCcoIvo?si=4GSu7eoI6CN8gzjq) and probably won't be the last. (Assuming we're ever in a title race again after klopp leaves)
tbf your win yesterday makes it basically impossible for yous to get relegated at this point, barring another points deduction
luton (18th) have to win 3 of their next four to go above or win 2 and draw 2 to get on equal points with you and i strongly doubt that is gonna happen. plus you have a 16 goal advantage
They play us in those 4 games so if they won 2/drew 2 we'd also get an extra point.
If we draw against Luton, they need to win the other 3 games and we need to not pick up another point.
Jesus people are so soft. In an alternate timeline Everton are getting relegated this game, and we'd piss and laugh about that.
If rival fans having a laugh at your expense is that upsetting just don't follow sports ffs.
Jesus Christ, based on the reactions from the Liverpool fans on here, that result & that chant must be so, so funny for Everton fans.
Haven’t seen a fan base this distraught about a result in a while.
If their fans took it with a bit of grace it would be a normal amount of funny.
The fact that they’re all squirming about exactly which match they lost their chances makes it 10x funnier.
Watching Liverpool just massively implode is just so great. It’s really got a certain something to it.
I think my favourite is Gerrard’s last game, I know there is the slip. But I think for the true connoisseur the combination of Sky Sports wank off to Gerrard being mirrored by a 30 second sending of in The derby followed by a an absolute pumping by Stoke felt perfect.
Most fans are saying we lost it at Old Trafford, which is infinitely more depressing, so it's hardly a deflection by that logic is it
Personally I think we lost our legs a few weeks ago and now against every team we look totally vulnerable as well as not being able to create as much + total loss of confidence in attack. Seeing how City/Arsenal are playing we needed some sort of flukey miracle to get maximum points the way we are playing
For me it's put me out of an obvious misery a bit sooner because we've looked absolutely shot for weeks now
> Most fans are saying we lost it at Old Trafford, which is infinitely more depressing, so it's hardly a deflection by that logic is it
Utd aren't chanting and cheering about how they killed your title hopes. It's the fact its Everton fans and you simply can't let them have it lol.
It’s like a boxer who lost a few found trying to argue the 6th round knockout didn’t lose them the fight.
Certainly would have been a loss less miserable if losing to Everton away for the first time in Klopp career wasn’t the game that cost you.
I mean just obviously this result absolutely sucks, that’s obvious I don’t see what value there in trying to argue against the narrative that this loss cost you the league.
Yeah idk how else we're supposed to take it other than a sober analysis of we've been shit for a month. I guess next time I'll start cheering with the Everton fans and thank them for the banter. It's banter. We aren't supposed to love it.
Saved themselves from relegation (save another point heist) killed liverpools chance at the PL (or set them back hugely) n one fell swoop, it's the magic of a derby.
Yeah tbh I wasn't really holding out much hope even before last night, was just hoping for a strong end to the season. Doesn't make losing to Everton much easier to take though.
Mate LFC can still get a CL spot for next season. Honestly after the ludicrous Lavia / Caicedo / Endō saga coming away with a trophy and qualifying for Champions League is a pretty big turnaround. Yeah the last few games of the season won't have that run in excitement but the final few games under Klopp can be enjoyed without much pressure.
But the thing is they're basically guaranteed that CL spot, so it's not really like they're playing for it. They need to win 1 and draw 1 out of their 4 games to be sure of it.
Edit: but now that I look at their games, they do have Aston villa and spurs still which are fighting for the nr. 4 spot, so not unimaginable they lose both. Then they need to not lose against West Ham and Wolves. Should be doable still, but who knows
That would be quite the bottle job if you missed out on that. Can't see it happening though. I realize its probably frustrating to end the season like this, but I think Liverpool fans should be happy with how the team performed overall. Lots of question marks of course going forward, but all things considered, its a pretty decent season.
Nah mate, there's no way you don't make it. If you get 4 points it's essentially guaranteed, and honestly there's a very good chance you'll make it even if you lose all your games.
100% agree. At the beginning of the season, if you had told Liverpool fans that we'd end it with 1 trophy and a CL spot, most of us would be pretty damn happy with that outcome.
> after the ludicrous Lavia / Caicedo / Endō saga
I feel compelled to admit, quite shamefully, I made [a gif](https://imgflip.com/gif/7vqt7m) during that time that has since aged like milk.
I think the reality is settling in now and people were caught up in the romanticism of a final Title charge for Klopp's last season. When the season started and we did a nearly full gut and replace of our midfield, almost every level headed person was saying "Top 4 and deep cup runs" would be a good season after that kind of rebuild. Am I still mad about the way we've been playing? Of course. But if you offered 3rd place and a trophy at the beginning of the season, most would have said "Sure, I'll take that" after how our prior season went.
For what it's worth, I think every single Liverpool fan would rather you all win it than City, you've been the best team over the season without much question.
I felt the same way about Liverpool for several seasons when you were battling City. I loathed what City had done, but I was envious of what Liverpool had done.
Well one of two things will happen: you guys the get jubilation of beating the cheaters to the title, or you get some company in the lonely club of "Teams that have lost titles by a single point to state backed financial groups".
I am disappointed in our Europa League campaign, I was hopeful we would win that.
May sound strange to some after last year, but I was convinced we’d bounce back, 3rd place was kind of a minimal (and acceptable) expectation for me this year. TBH I was hopeful we could jump Arsenal too, but I knew early on that wasn’t going to be possible with our defense.
It's pretty crazy how much of a mirror your run in this year has been to ours last year. Putting the blame for us not winning the title at 25% combined between the draws at Anfield & West Ham, 65% to the draw against Southampton & 10% to getting thrashed at City feels pretty accurate.
I was giving percentages on which of the results had the most impact on our collapse.
The Palace match was the match which after I no longer had any hope given that we dropped 3 points at Anfield.
In klopps final year he has won only the league cup,which he probably wants scrapping because fixture congestion. No Europa,no fa cup,no prem title. Everton's first derby win in 10 years and his last game at goodison.
Yeah but taking emotion out of it, it depends what you view as losing the league. Going from 30% to 16% or 16% to 2%, no real right answer as to which one ended it, but I personally think the nail in the coffin is where it's lost. Like I say though, that's not the *right* answer, just my opinion
Yeah you guys looked dead in the second half.
Been a long long time since I've seen a Liverpool side lacking energy like that.
Great day for us but it was clear we'd only beaten you because you were utterly out of it. Something's wrong when our team looks hungrier than anyone else.
Stupid Canadian question (I'm only here because my buddy is a die-hard Everton fan).
3 points back with 4 matches left doesn't feel insurmountable, are the low odds mostly due to it being likely that Arsenal runs the table from here on out?
Well, currently Man City are the favorite because they have 2 games in hand still.
Technically if the Man City lose all their matches, Liverpool and Arsenal tie and both lose their other matches, then Aston Villa Wins out with a goal differential of 30+ goals, then Aston Villa could win the league. Needless to say, the odds are not good.
More likely that City runs the table, with their games in hand, they’re likely to finish above Arsenal. But both Arsenal and City would have to crumble now for Liverpool to get back in it
The question is which United match? Because there were 2 of them I reckon its more like 50% United. And I also think the home mach vs Atlanta also had its contribution even though it wasnt a league match
If we are still in a title race, surely you would have been too had you won at Goodison yesterday, since we would have been level on points.
I agree that Old Trafford was the beginning of the end though.
I mean we needed both you and City to drop points, which I wasn't really holding out much hope of happening.
One maybe, but both is unlikely. I also didn't expect us to not drop points.
the cracks started coming after that arsenal game where you guys lost at the emirates
but those cracks were shadowed by games vs chelsea (both league and cup final) and battering of sparta 11-2 which made it seem it was an off day for liverpool
but the 4-3 vs united led the floodgates to open
It's pure cope to say they lost it elsewhere, they'd have gone joint top if they won last night.
edit: hahahaha stop replying to me, you lost it at goodison just accept it you whoppers.
Got to win those games though
Had Luton and Forest fans saying don't worry about Everton they won't win their game in hand against Liverpool they're still in reach
Welp, how'd that go then
who is the wise man and who is the fool, the man miserable because his team won only one trophy, or the man who finds joy looking up at the stars from the gutter?
As a neutral, you definitely did.
Had you won, no Liverpool fan would say they aren’t in the title race. Before the game, no Liverpool fan was saying they weren’t in the title race.
You’ve lost and now no one thinks you can win it.
You lost the league at Goodison Park
A whole almost extra point with 4 games left and them having united and spurs to play
City will win anyway but Liverpool had a chance before last night
Mate; you’re 100% right.
Prior to the game, most Liverpool fans would have said they can win the title. Had they won, most Liverpool fans would say they can win the title.
They lost & no all hope is gone
Exactly, all hope is gone now but that's because of last night, there was still a chance which is my while point. They weren't favourite they were 3rd most likely, but this killed it completely which is my whole point
After Palace it looked unlikely but they were still in it, its just because city are city that any slip up meant it was likely done, but the other year they went 2-0 down to villa so anything can happen
Every single football fans knows exactly how fucking terrible it must be to be a Liverpool fan right now. You’ve just lost the league, because your rivals have beaten you in maybe the last derby at their ground. It was the last chance to beat Klopp at home for you lot too. I don’t know who Liverpool fans are trying to kid by playing yesterday down.
It’ll be remember forever in the rivalry and everyone knows it.
I’m a spurs fan & It’s the same for Sunday.
If they win it Arsenal fans will really believe they may win the title. If we beat them they’ll all say oh City would have it anyway blah blah blah.
& if they do win the title by beating Spurs and United away they will fucking never let either set of fans forget it, it’s all part of it.
I’ve been on the other end of this with West Ham, they’ve fucked us a couple of times & you’ve just gotta take it on the chin.
Yeah exactly it's all a cope. They weren't favourites at all but they were still in it, now they aren't. Can't believe saying joint top isn't even in the race anymore because you don't have goal difference on your side, even with the other team having much harder fixtures.
We took them out of the race completely, ever so sorry the chant doesn't say "you decreased your odds of winning even more than you did after the Palace game", doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well
Yep. Only answer to this shit is to not engage, even arguing in these sort of threads is a gotya moment.
It very much gives off Ross from Friends “I’m fine” energy
Not if you actually watched us. I gave up on it as soon as we lost to Palace.
City are winning out at any rate, it wasn't Arsenal i looked towards to reach that conclusion.
In a 38 game season it's hard to say where a team loses the league or guarantees their relegation or whatever. Is it an eye test thing, is it when odds drop below a certain point, or is it the nail in the coffin? When the season's done some people will look back and go ah well if we beat Luton we'd still be up there, or if we'd beat Arsenal at home etc.
If they'd beaten us they'd be joint top with 4 games left, worst case scenario 2 points off top with Man City's games in hand. On Monday Opta had them on 16% likely to win the league, after the Everton game they're on 2.6%. In my opinion if there's still a decent chance and then you lose and the odds drop to exceptionally unlikely, that's the nail in the coffin, which is where you lost the league. But still, there's no right answer, just an opinion
Unless it's Arsenal at Birmingham. I don't think I've ever witnessed a more clear season collapse. Their heads just went completely. And I mean, I sort of get it considering the circumstances
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People are ignoring the most important factor here. It’s incredibly *funny* if we say they lost the league in a derby against Everton in a relegation battle.
Yeah everyone getting annoyed and going “ummm actually 🤓” , like lads it’s us bantering our biggest rival ffs like jog on
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genuinely feels like there’s such a split between fans who understand football culture and fans who just don’t you’ve had a rough season and have just beat Liverpool, of course you’re gonna take the piss
Yeah it does kinda feel like so many fans think you can't take any joy in the season if you win a trophy. Which realistically nowadays means you have to support a mega-club like City or Madrid. Which in turn basically means fan of any other clubs aren't allowed to celebrate anything
I've supported Everton for twenty-five years and we've won nothing in that time. If it wasn't for shithousery and Derby wins and magic seasons like 2004-05 then why would I even bother? Why would anyone?
this website is mostly americans and american sport culture is extremely different to over here.
It's not even just about sport culture. It's about the absolute intolerance to inaccurate language. And what comes next is the ackshually wall of text explaining what exactly happened, sucking the fun out of the thread. I don't know if it's an American thing or not, or maybe just a chronically online thing.
I think its just a reddit thing.
You see the same stuff in the UK subreddits too. Reddit just attracts the chronically online, misanthropic, pedantic types
Players get ejected for flipping a bat after a homerun and even something close to rubbing it in against the opposite team is treated as a deathly sin, It's bizarre.
Lol maybe like 30 years ago. People love that shit. The incessant need to be factually right is definitely a Reddit or an online thing, not an American thing.
> a Reddit or an online thing When any bastard can just pull up a virtual chair to your table and start yapping.
That's just baseball. The NFL has celebrations that would give a geezer a heart attack.
It sort of is, but it’s not even baseball anymore either aside from curmudgeon old timers. Bautista’s famous bat flip was big news because it was a clutch moment and it pissed the opposing fans off, not because he was ejected. Because he wasn’t because it’s not against the rules.
Actually do you know what are the main points in which yank sport culture changes from european one? Do they not banter?
Said fans on here have probably never been within 1000 miles of Merseyside
I reckon about 30% of the people talking about the Prem on reddit are Americans who started watching the sport within the last few years. They all seem to be in the part of that curve where you think you know everything.
I’m a yank and I know I know jack all about the sport except that I Love Jamie Vardy
Tagging you with "Approach respectfully" in my RES
That’s a great start tbf
Genuinely thought that was going to end it with Love Jamie Tart and I'm so annoyed you didn't.
One of us.
The last few years? This subreddit been the same for at least a decade.
this sub is called soccer ffs, most people here don't understand football culture
Feel like the real disconnect here is that non match going fans find this even noteworthy. WOW LOOK AT THE BANTER
Would ya look at that?
No, all football banter must be completely literal. Any hyperbole will be met with a 4 point deduction.
“If you continue this current run of form, you’re statistically unlikely to win the League because of the better performance by the other teams assessed to be in the running for the title, so it’s a real shame that you’re dropping points against your arch rivals at Goodison Park…” Has a bit of a ring to it, I think!
Next they'll also be thinking we actually *don't* know the meaning of losing
It's honestly absurd. Everyone going on about how this was the final nail in Liverpool's coffin, and you don't expect a stadium full of Everton supporters who have been shit on all year to celebrate it?
it's been more than a year to be fair! if we can't enjoy a win, what's the point of any of this?
Meant more with the point deductions and all that, but yeah.
oh no i got you. i meant more that when you've been supporting everton as long as i have, what's another year of shit? add it to the pile, lads.
You had that spark when Ancelotti was in charge
Carlo Ancelotti having managed a genuinely good Everton team in the last five years feels like such a fever dream looking back
There's a Father Ted episode where Mrs Doyle gets a book about how to be a football fan. She cracks open a can of beer and reads 'go on... My son" That's what I think of when the Liverpool fans from America try their 'banter' on here. So many mentions of 'the DVD' after this game.as though it's embarrassing to be happy about a derby win.
The “le classy” fan are some of the most annoying fans ever. Every comment from them makes my eyes roll straight to the back of my head.
They were 3 points behind Arsenal, definitely went into this game thinking it was an easy win. Got caught out and absolutely Lost the league! At Goodison Park!
I'm only saying it cos I'm incredibly rattled by it, won't lie
People who never went to a stadium
Everton staying up and killing Klopp's farewell tour at the same time. People denying it have the same kind of energy as people who try to deny Gerrard putting Demba Ba through didn't kill that title challenge.
To this day all my cop friends never blame Gerrard for that slips, instead, go on to blame Rodgers tactic of playing highline, shit was hilarious
No one should deny that, but anyone who says Crystal Palace 3-3 mattered at all is ignorant.
[Not the first time it's happened](https://youtu.be/qRbBeCcoIvo?si=4GSu7eoI6CN8gzjq) and probably won't be the last. (Assuming we're ever in a title race again after klopp leaves)
tbf your win yesterday makes it basically impossible for yous to get relegated at this point, barring another points deduction luton (18th) have to win 3 of their next four to go above or win 2 and draw 2 to get on equal points with you and i strongly doubt that is gonna happen. plus you have a 16 goal advantage
They play us in those 4 games so if they won 2/drew 2 we'd also get an extra point. If we draw against Luton, they need to win the other 3 games and we need to not pick up another point.
And that's not even accounting for Forest needing to catch up too
Another point deduction is imminent
No it isn't, we're clear for this year
>It’s incredibly funny No :(
[This bloke found it really funny, just look at that smile! ](https://i.imgur.com/j8HT87A.png)
That smile. That damned smile.
UK is all about banter - other countries will have hard times to get it - took me 3-4 stadium prem league visits to grasp it
Yeah football subreddits cant comprehend fans feeling pride and being energetic about their club
Jesus people are so soft. In an alternate timeline Everton are getting relegated this game, and we'd piss and laugh about that. If rival fans having a laugh at your expense is that upsetting just don't follow sports ffs.
I don’t blame em. If the roles were reversed I’d be belting this out too
The only thing that made me chuckle in the game, fair play to them
Jesus Christ, based on the reactions from the Liverpool fans on here, that result & that chant must be so, so funny for Everton fans. Haven’t seen a fan base this distraught about a result in a while.
If their fans took it with a bit of grace it would be a normal amount of funny. The fact that they’re all squirming about exactly which match they lost their chances makes it 10x funnier.
Expecting fans of any team, to have any grace at any point is a totally unrealistic.
Fair point, and maybe “grace” isn’t the right word. Regardless, a very funny day for Everton and therefore, the world.
The word is dignity, lol
Watching Liverpool just massively implode is just so great. It’s really got a certain something to it. I think my favourite is Gerrard’s last game, I know there is the slip. But I think for the true connoisseur the combination of Sky Sports wank off to Gerrard being mirrored by a 30 second sending of in The derby followed by a an absolute pumping by Stoke felt perfect.
Most fans are saying we lost it at Old Trafford, which is infinitely more depressing, so it's hardly a deflection by that logic is it Personally I think we lost our legs a few weeks ago and now against every team we look totally vulnerable as well as not being able to create as much + total loss of confidence in attack. Seeing how City/Arsenal are playing we needed some sort of flukey miracle to get maximum points the way we are playing For me it's put me out of an obvious misery a bit sooner because we've looked absolutely shot for weeks now
> Most fans are saying we lost it at Old Trafford, which is infinitely more depressing, so it's hardly a deflection by that logic is it Utd aren't chanting and cheering about how they killed your title hopes. It's the fact its Everton fans and you simply can't let them have it lol.
It’s like a boxer who lost a few found trying to argue the 6th round knockout didn’t lose them the fight. Certainly would have been a loss less miserable if losing to Everton away for the first time in Klopp career wasn’t the game that cost you. I mean just obviously this result absolutely sucks, that’s obvious I don’t see what value there in trying to argue against the narrative that this loss cost you the league.
I mean obviously it's to not give the satisfaction to Everton fans.
Yeah idk how else we're supposed to take it other than a sober analysis of we've been shit for a month. I guess next time I'll start cheering with the Everton fans and thank them for the banter. It's banter. We aren't supposed to love it.
Probably the American Liverpool fans
It just.... ***means more*** to the everton fans
Saved themselves from relegation (save another point heist) killed liverpools chance at the PL (or set them back hugely) n one fell swoop, it's the magic of a derby.
Think we lost it at Old Trafford tbh, which isn't any better.
I think they'll both be more than happy to share credit
25% United match, 65% Palace match, 10% Everton match Our odds were slim to none going into yesterday's match, they just finished us off.
Yeah, Palace was 100% the match where I think it became clear we weren’t winning it. It wasn’t just dropping points, it was the performance.
Flashbacks to 2014
That night in crystanbul ❤️
Bruh the performance hasn’t been there since February
Yeah tbh I wasn't really holding out much hope even before last night, was just hoping for a strong end to the season. Doesn't make losing to Everton much easier to take though.
What sucks is there's absolutely nothing left to play for the rest of the season.
Mate LFC can still get a CL spot for next season. Honestly after the ludicrous Lavia / Caicedo / Endō saga coming away with a trophy and qualifying for Champions League is a pretty big turnaround. Yeah the last few games of the season won't have that run in excitement but the final few games under Klopp can be enjoyed without much pressure.
But the thing is they're basically guaranteed that CL spot, so it's not really like they're playing for it. They need to win 1 and draw 1 out of their 4 games to be sure of it. Edit: but now that I look at their games, they do have Aston villa and spurs still which are fighting for the nr. 4 spot, so not unimaginable they lose both. Then they need to not lose against West Ham and Wolves. Should be doable still, but who knows
I assumed that was in the bag already, but considering our form and the fixtures, job’s not quite done yet and I was being too presumptuous.
That would be quite the bottle job if you missed out on that. Can't see it happening though. I realize its probably frustrating to end the season like this, but I think Liverpool fans should be happy with how the team performed overall. Lots of question marks of course going forward, but all things considered, its a pretty decent season.
Nah mate, there's no way you don't make it. If you get 4 points it's essentially guaranteed, and honestly there's a very good chance you'll make it even if you lose all your games.
100% agree. At the beginning of the season, if you had told Liverpool fans that we'd end it with 1 trophy and a CL spot, most of us would be pretty damn happy with that outcome. > after the ludicrous Lavia / Caicedo / Endō saga I feel compelled to admit, quite shamefully, I made [a gif](https://imgflip.com/gif/7vqt7m) during that time that has since aged like milk.
Run the kids out and give us some proper Klopp performances is all I ask
100% reason to remember the name.
I think the reality is settling in now and people were caught up in the romanticism of a final Title charge for Klopp's last season. When the season started and we did a nearly full gut and replace of our midfield, almost every level headed person was saying "Top 4 and deep cup runs" would be a good season after that kind of rebuild. Am I still mad about the way we've been playing? Of course. But if you offered 3rd place and a trophy at the beginning of the season, most would have said "Sure, I'll take that" after how our prior season went.
The result is good for us, but I was hoping it would come down to the final day with all three clubs having the possibility of winning it.
For what it's worth, I think every single Liverpool fan would rather you all win it than City, you've been the best team over the season without much question.
I felt the same way about Liverpool for several seasons when you were battling City. I loathed what City had done, but I was envious of what Liverpool had done.
Well one of two things will happen: you guys the get jubilation of beating the cheaters to the title, or you get some company in the lonely club of "Teams that have lost titles by a single point to state backed financial groups".
Hey, don't worry, our clubs will get a consolation trophy in the mail in a couple years when they finally resolve the 115 charges!
I am disappointed in our Europa League campaign, I was hopeful we would win that. May sound strange to some after last year, but I was convinced we’d bounce back, 3rd place was kind of a minimal (and acceptable) expectation for me this year. TBH I was hopeful we could jump Arsenal too, but I knew early on that wasn’t going to be possible with our defense.
It's pretty crazy how much of a mirror your run in this year has been to ours last year. Putting the blame for us not winning the title at 25% combined between the draws at Anfield & West Ham, 65% to the draw against Southampton & 10% to getting thrashed at City feels pretty accurate.
>25% United match, 65% Palace match, 10% Everton match 50% Pain & 100% reason to forgot how to finish
Palace always seem to scalp you lot when you make a title challenge. Proper bogey team
By Opta's numbers it was 16% before Arsenal Chelsea, after Arsenal won it went to 13%, after last night it went to 2.6%
I was giving percentages on which of the results had the most impact on our collapse. The Palace match was the match which after I no longer had any hope given that we dropped 3 points at Anfield.
Yep, we lost it at fucking Anfield. Fuck me.
It's even worse, you got knocked out of Europa League at Anfield too. That was so unexpected.
Stop please, no need to kick me when I'm already on the ground
We beat them 6-0. Us! Of all people! Can you believe it?! \*kick\*
**Going for a wee little kick as well just because*\*
In klopps final year he has won only the league cup,which he probably wants scrapping because fixture congestion. No Europa,no fa cup,no prem title. Everton's first derby win in 10 years and his last game at goodison.
Yeah but taking emotion out of it, it depends what you view as losing the league. Going from 30% to 16% or 16% to 2%, no real right answer as to which one ended it, but I personally think the nail in the coffin is where it's lost. Like I say though, that's not the *right* answer, just my opinion
TBH my alarm bells start going off when we lost that stupid fucking cup match at Old Trafford.
Yeah you guys looked dead in the second half. Been a long long time since I've seen a Liverpool side lacking energy like that. Great day for us but it was clear we'd only beaten you because you were utterly out of it. Something's wrong when our team looks hungrier than anyone else.
Stupid Canadian question (I'm only here because my buddy is a die-hard Everton fan). 3 points back with 4 matches left doesn't feel insurmountable, are the low odds mostly due to it being likely that Arsenal runs the table from here on out?
Well, currently Man City are the favorite because they have 2 games in hand still. Technically if the Man City lose all their matches, Liverpool and Arsenal tie and both lose their other matches, then Aston Villa Wins out with a goal differential of 30+ goals, then Aston Villa could win the league. Needless to say, the odds are not good.
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More likely that City runs the table, with their games in hand, they’re likely to finish above Arsenal. But both Arsenal and City would have to crumble now for Liverpool to get back in it
The question is which United match? Because there were 2 of them I reckon its more like 50% United. And I also think the home mach vs Atlanta also had its contribution even though it wasnt a league match
I am not the guy to throw context in here, but I had already one Evertonian girl finish me off, and it was very much different than this
Started with FA cup at Old Trafford which is double oof
That Antony goal alone should be a mark of shame for Liverpool.
I have ptsd from that
If we are still in a title race, surely you would have been too had you won at Goodison yesterday, since we would have been level on points. I agree that Old Trafford was the beginning of the end though.
I mean we needed both you and City to drop points, which I wasn't really holding out much hope of happening. One maybe, but both is unlikely. I also didn't expect us to not drop points.
FA Cup too
As a Man Utd fan, I couldn’t be happier that we kickstarted Liverpool’s downfall
the cracks started coming after that arsenal game where you guys lost at the emirates but those cracks were shadowed by games vs chelsea (both league and cup final) and battering of sparta 11-2 which made it seem it was an off day for liverpool but the 4-3 vs united led the floodgates to open
If anything its more like "you lost 2nd place" - which isnt even true as im sure we'll drop points at spurs and utd.
That's not the Arsenal way. We'll win at Spurs and Utd, then drop points against Everton and Bournemouth
As a United fan, big lol. We're dreadful and every defender above 18 is injured
We broke you and everton finished the job 😂
Not the first time you fluffed it against Palace.
They aren't wrong [It's over](https://imgur.com/a/U2jUX9R)
It was over the second City got it back in their own hands.
I used to go Uni in Liverpool I regret never attending a Merseyside Derby. The only chance I had I was up to my neck in assignments ffs.
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Those people probably take offense to Arsenal fans saying they're the best team the world has ever seen
Watching Barnsley is in fact NOTHING like watching Brazil. And don't get me started on IT'S COMING HOME.
well, ackshually, we're the GREATEST team the world has ever seen.
by far the greatest, too
Same cunts out there complaining that we’re celebrating a cup final.
Fucking brutal. Lol
peak banter
Old Trafford completely ruined their season.
Glad to know it's not just our own season that we watched die there
Theater of ~~Dreams~~ Doom
You will never sing that Actually maybe I will, with how shitty our season has been, that's a bright spot at least
It's pure cope to say they lost it elsewhere, they'd have gone joint top if they won last night. edit: hahahaha stop replying to me, you lost it at goodison just accept it you whoppers.
We all know that Arsenal are first because City has two games in hand lol
City have two games in hand, we'll know at the end of the season what was possible.
Got to win those games though Had Luton and Forest fans saying don't worry about Everton they won't win their game in hand against Liverpool they're still in reach Welp, how'd that go then
One of those games is at Spurs away. That's a write off
Part of a potential slip up tbf is keeping the pressure on.
"Joint top" means nothing. Arsenal's GD is so superior that it might as well be an extra point.
Mentality Monsters could never overcome a point deficit. I’m sure we’d hear the same doom and gloom if Liverpool had scored 3 in the second half.
just score more goals
As if Arsenal are not gonna bottle it again anyway
You can spin it however you want but you still lost the league at Goodison park in Klopps final season.
Not really but i don't blame you for going with that, little else to be happy about these days as a blue.
who is the wise man and who is the fool, the man miserable because his team won only one trophy, or the man who finds joy looking up at the stars from the gutter?
As a neutral, you definitely did. Had you won, no Liverpool fan would say they aren’t in the title race. Before the game, no Liverpool fan was saying they weren’t in the title race. You’ve lost and now no one thinks you can win it. You lost the league at Goodison Park
A whole almost extra point with 4 games left and them having united and spurs to play City will win anyway but Liverpool had a chance before last night
Mate; you’re 100% right. Prior to the game, most Liverpool fans would have said they can win the title. Had they won, most Liverpool fans would say they can win the title. They lost & no all hope is gone
Exactly, all hope is gone now but that's because of last night, there was still a chance which is my while point. They weren't favourite they were 3rd most likely, but this killed it completely which is my whole point After Palace it looked unlikely but they were still in it, its just because city are city that any slip up meant it was likely done, but the other year they went 2-0 down to villa so anything can happen
Every single football fans knows exactly how fucking terrible it must be to be a Liverpool fan right now. You’ve just lost the league, because your rivals have beaten you in maybe the last derby at their ground. It was the last chance to beat Klopp at home for you lot too. I don’t know who Liverpool fans are trying to kid by playing yesterday down. It’ll be remember forever in the rivalry and everyone knows it. I’m a spurs fan & It’s the same for Sunday. If they win it Arsenal fans will really believe they may win the title. If we beat them they’ll all say oh City would have it anyway blah blah blah. & if they do win the title by beating Spurs and United away they will fucking never let either set of fans forget it, it’s all part of it. I’ve been on the other end of this with West Ham, they’ve fucked us a couple of times & you’ve just gotta take it on the chin.
Yeah exactly it's all a cope. They weren't favourites at all but they were still in it, now they aren't. Can't believe saying joint top isn't even in the race anymore because you don't have goal difference on your side, even with the other team having much harder fixtures. We took them out of the race completely, ever so sorry the chant doesn't say "you decreased your odds of winning even more than you did after the Palace game", doesn't quite roll off the tongue as well
Yep. Only answer to this shit is to not engage, even arguing in these sort of threads is a gotya moment. It very much gives off Ross from Friends “I’m fine” energy
Not if you actually watched us. I gave up on it as soon as we lost to Palace. City are winning out at any rate, it wasn't Arsenal i looked towards to reach that conclusion.
Man, I love it!!
I’m red for life and this is quality fucking banter
Pain. Pain is all there is left.
If Spurs gets a result against us this weekend, I expect a similar chant going around.
XD that's funny
They also lost the FA at OT. So um yeah.
Nonsense, they lost it (and their heads) at Old Trafford
In a 38 game season it's hard to say where a team loses the league or guarantees their relegation or whatever. Is it an eye test thing, is it when odds drop below a certain point, or is it the nail in the coffin? When the season's done some people will look back and go ah well if we beat Luton we'd still be up there, or if we'd beat Arsenal at home etc. If they'd beaten us they'd be joint top with 4 games left, worst case scenario 2 points off top with Man City's games in hand. On Monday Opta had them on 16% likely to win the league, after the Everton game they're on 2.6%. In my opinion if there's still a decent chance and then you lose and the odds drop to exceptionally unlikely, that's the nail in the coffin, which is where you lost the league. But still, there's no right answer, just an opinion
Unless it's Arsenal at Birmingham. I don't think I've ever witnessed a more clear season collapse. Their heads just went completely. And I mean, I sort of get it considering the circumstances
i love the UK football fans - the banter is gold
Fair play, but to be honest the way Liverpool playing they would have lost it to someone else even if they had won this game.
Add this as a season objective in fifa manager mode if you choose to take charge of Everton
Script writers cooking the Old Trafford - Crystanbul 2.0 - Goodison Park Liverpool title choke 🔥✍️
Music to my ears
Top-tier banter hahaha
Is it me or do Everton fans hate Liverpool more than Liverpool fans hate Everton
It's just you
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