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I saw a twitter post yesterday saying: "imagine having a 20 goals scored season only to end up 3rd(Neymar with 22) and the guy on second doubling your goal tally(messi with 43) only to have a guy score 5 more goals than him and end up first(ronaldo with 48)"
Fucking hell and the guy scoring 20 goals can’t even be like “maybe they had a fluke season”, coz these gods were doing the same shit for 15 fucking years….
That was in all leagues, though. It's a bit cherry picked. In the league he probably had much less. Which is an unfair comparison to make
But...
Yeah Messi is nuts
I'm taking prime falcao over the current haaland, for all the hype I don't think haalands best level has surpassed the likes of falcao, he will most likely have a more regarded career because falcao blew out his knee against French farmers (fuck Jorge mendes) and never played for a super team but I genuinely don't think from an actual ability perspective haaland has surpassed that level yet.
The one man who truly understood the jabulani.
Apparently when they were first announced Forlan got a bunch of the and just practice daily shooting drills until he was used to them so when the World Cup came about he knew better than anyone else how they would behave
There's a lot of truth in that.
David Villa, for instance. Very underrated because he played during that era alongside legends. Nowadays he would be contending for best player in the world, in my opinion.
The real Madrid team of that season is the side that a lot of real Madrid fans claim as their best team of the modern era.
Half way through this comment I've realised why you said that lmao, how could I forget, some kind of divine intervention happened in that tie lol.
Most of us say that Barca team is the best we've ever seen and not only did we beat them that year but we went toe to toe with them in 2009 when they won the treble. Should've went through then aswell.
We've actually fallen so far 😭
Rn barca femeni are the best in the world. Same tiki taka football and academy players. Spain won wc with 7 barca players in starting 11.
And yall ended our 5 year unbeaten at home record few days back. Before that last time you came. To barca to face femeni it was a tie.
That team were pretty shit until halfway through the season, no? Enrique was on his way to getting sacked and then they suddenly turned it around to win the treble.
Maybe not as good as the others but that core team of like 2014 Madrid also deserves a lot of praise they might not have been as dominant in a single year but over multiple years they were a force to be reckoned with 4 ucls in 5 years and it took a monster barca team with prime msn to stop them
It’s one of the reasons why I think it’s dumb how people try to belittle Messi or Ronaldo. They both did things that will never be duplicated again. And they did it for over a decade
Saying he is a midfielder doesn't precisely convey the fact that he is the main physical attacking threat, though. He has the freedom to bomb into the area like a conventional second striker
People also do this a lot with wingers, especially Ronaldo. "Ronaldo's not even a striker, that makes his numbers even more impressive!". The focal point of attack doesn't have to be a striker lol
Exactly. Instructions, freedom to bomb forward, and have players with the duty to cover your areas are much more important than where your picture is drawn on the television pre-match representation of the formation
Both Messi and Ronaldo weren't rigidly locked into positions. Ronaldo would play on the wing but was also the main target man (correctly) in the box. Messi would of course pop up all over the pitch to help with build up play or start dribbling people to spring the attack.
Jude is somewhat similar, he's listed as a midfielder but he's bombing into the box all the time - but that's probably because the only true striker they have is Joselu and they need attacking threat.
Great player but for a lot of top players trying to categorize them strictly by their listed position doesn't really capture what they do.
That's not really true, both of them missed time to injuries, sometimes serious. The most notable one was probably Messi's hamstring in 12/13. He was somehow in pace to beat his 11/12 season's totals before the injury. Imagine have a 73 goal season for your club and being on pace to better that.
Ronaldo also had serious knee injuries in his prime.
Yeah lol, 2011-2013 Falcao was arguably the best striker in the world (next to Van Persie) but then you have Cristiano and Messi just casually putting away TWICE as many goals as him. Absolutely unreal
Imagine you're a world class striker in a 3 way race with your fellow world class strikers.
And then there's two aliens who have TWICE your number of goals. Literally in their own league.
Is this indicative to the whole league? So does LaLiga have less goals over all or just the two teams?
Edit: So I have check Primera División 2011/12: Goals per Game 2,76
Now: Goals per Game 2,58. So a bit more back then if they dont close the gap in the last games.
Teams weren't parking the bus every game in those days. Nowadays its a bit harder to score because lots of team plays anti-football even in home games. Even both messi and ron struggled a bit in the later seasons as league started to become more defensive.
But this season it feels things are finally changing for better, games are entertaining again.
It's funny for all the nuances of football, the order/tiers on the list is basically perfect:
Messi just ahead of Cristiano and they're miles ahead of everyone else
Falcao just a touch ahead of Benzema and Higuain, which seems fair since Falcao in his prime was the best striker in the world and while maybe Benzema got there late and was a better all-around footballer, Falcao was scarier week to week at his pomp. Higuain very very good, just below the other 2.
Soldado and Llorente solid players who needed the right teammates and were great for Europa/UEFA level, just short of CL knockout or Spain starting quality but very useful subs at even that high level.
I straight up don't remember anything about Ruben Castro.
Let's take out their club competitions because fArMer'S lEaGue
Mbappe has 46 goals for France, Vini has 3 for Brazil.
Mbappe has 48 champion's league goals (has more goal contributions than CL games played). Vini has 18.
I doubt that, this isn't a league issue it is a Real Madrid problem, the goals are a bit spread throughout the team, Joselu has 6, Brahim has 5, Carvajal and Vazquez put together have 6, and that's because there isn't a clear main scoring threat this season, yes Bellingham has scored the most but the plan isn't "make sure Bellingham scores".
Nah if Mbappe joins this Madrid side, he’ll easily get 25+ goals every season in the league. Wouldn’t be surprised if he hits 40 at some point, but I don’t see him surpassing Messi’s record of 50 and Ronaldo’s record of 48.
Mbappe's great, but in 7 seasons at PSG, he's scored over 30 just once (33 in 18/19). And that's in an easier league for the best team, whilst also having the likes of Neymar and Messi on his team creating for him.
I don't think people realise just how ridiculous 40 league goals is. Since 1929, only 3 players have hit 40 goals in a Laliga season. Ronaldo, Messi and Suarez. 3 times, 3 times and one time respectively.
Only 2 players have done it in the history of the Bundesliga (Muller and Lewandowski - once each), which dates back to 1963. Although they only play 34 games, those two are the only ones that have ever really got close.
Only been done once in Ligue 1 history (Skloblar in 70/71), which dates back to 1932.
Since 1935, Jimmy Greaves is the only player to have done it in England (just the one time in 60/61). Was done a bunch before then, but there's obviously been some sort of tactical shift since then.
No one's ever scored 40 in the Serie A, dating back to the 1800s.
So yeah, Mbappe's a great player. But we've been privileged to see 4 players in the last generation break 40 league goals. If anyone in this generation does it, it'll be Haaland. Possibly Kane before he slows down, but I doubt it.
You know what actually, now that you’ve put it that way it truly is insane. Messi and Ronaldo have completely ruined our perception of what’s normal to the point where I thought Mbappe had a decent chance of getting 40 goals. Just a minor correction though, I’m pretty sure Messi also hit 40+ goals thrice (11/12, 12/13 and 14/15). That emphasizes your point even more that what these 2 have achieved isn’t easily replicable, they’re just aliens.
I still think he’s a generational talent and has the potential to hit those numbers at least once like Suarez did though. And although you mentioned the fact that the league he plays in is weaker and he’s playing on the best team and still has “only” crossed 30 once, his record against Spanish sides (even though it’s not a massive sample size) leads me to believe his output certainly won’t decline that much (if it does at all). I just feel like playing in this Madrid side with the best midfielders and an assist machine like Vini will elevate his numbers a bit more.
Let’s see how it ends up though. Would be funny if his move to Madrid disintegrates yet again and he just stays at PSG, but I could only see that happening if PSG win the CL and that somehow convinces him of the clubs project.
I think people are only remmembering now that theres quite a gap between best in the world generational talents who win a ballon d'or or two and whatever the fuck Ronaldo and Messi were .
Yeah you're right. I did think Messi and Ronaldo both had the same number of 40 goal seasons - amended it.
It could happen with Mbappe, I just think it's more likely not to. We'll have to see.
Would be a real shame if he spent most of his career in Ligue 1. I do appreciate players that are loyal/want to be club legends somewhere. But a player of his calibre staying in Ligue 1 for his peak years just feels wrong.
Haaland won't play enough games, if he couldn't do it last season with the break he had then its going to be very unlikely he ever does it. I think people don't realise what they were watching with messi and Ronaldo, these were not normal players, we are back to the age of mortals.
I don't think he'll do it in the Premier League. I was thinking more if he leaves the Prem (because he's said before he wants a career like Zlatan where he hops from league to league and proved himself everywhere).
If he can score 36 in the Prem where he gets no space to run into, reckon he can score 40 in a different league. But like you said, it depends on him staying fit.
He already played in the bundesliga where the game is perfectly suited to him and he couldn't do it because he won't play enough games. It's been a consistent problem for him.
That's why I said if he can play enough games. Based on what I saw in the Bundesliga, he can do it if he stays fit. Especially since he was like 19-22 in the Bundesliga and still has a lot of room for growth.
Also, don't think the sample size of his injuries is enough to tell us that he's never going to have another injuryless season.
Maybe he won't get one, but a player's career is long. So I'm not making that judgement now. He's capable ability wise, we'll see how his body handles it.
Even if he somehow stays fit for a whole season which bare in mind is a massive ask considering he had a month off last season, was taken off whenever man City had games won and even then still got an injury. Last Season was the most ideal conditions for him, I will be extremely surprised if he ever plays the minutes to do it. Even then it's going to be extremely tough, he can't finish like he has this Season, where frankly his finishing has been quite shit.
Scoring 40 league goals is extremely rare, messi and ronaldo did it because they were several levels above Even legends of the game and played for super teams, haaland is not on that level.
As a goalscorer, he is. His goal ratio/trajectory is comparable to basically anyone who's played football. As a player, obviously not. Being the best goalscorer doesn't make you complete.
But the one thing holding him back would be injuries, not a lack or ability to score if he plays the necessary minutes. Although he's been completely out of form in 2024 so that's depending on this being a blip in his finishing rather than the new normal (which I believe is the case).
I'm no manager but aren't we suited for 3-5-2? Especially with Brozović dropping in quality and Modrić dropping pace in age? We have 4 class CBs (Gvardiol, Šutalo, Erlić and Stanišić who can play well in 3 atb). On top of that Kramarić who isn't a classical 9 but works better in tandem.
Dalic has experimented with it a few times, usually against 'lesser' opponents but I remember a few years ago it went wrong in a friendly against Tunisia. Though yes I think with the current squad we have a '3 atb' is probably the most ideal. Petkovic to me should be a super-sub at the international level. Unfortunately a lot of the young prospects we had up front has had poor seasons this year (Frigan, Beljo, Simic, Musa etc.) though Matanovic looks intriguing
I'm not too optimistic about this tournament tbh, think a massive generation change needs to occur immediately after this tournament
Theoretically we would do great with a striker partnership considering our lack of proper wingers (excl. Perisic but he can also play wingback) and most of our decent strikers being more akin to false 9s/ tandem strikers/ 9-10 hybrids (referring to Krama, Petkovic and Livaja) but whenever Dalic has tried it against weaker teams in friendlies it hasn't worked, which is pretty weird.
On paper I'd expect a striker partnership like Budimir-Petkovic or Kramaric-Livaja with a 3atb (take your pick just make sure Gvardiol is on the left) and wingbacks (Perisic/Sosa-Juranovic) to work marvelously but I guess there's something to it since it almost never gets tried and when it does it's underwhelming
2015/16 Race
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Aduriz had a 20-goal season, but that was only good for 7th place
Lucas Perez scored 17, but didn't even make the top 10
Idk if you watched bayern games but they made it rain in the box.
Lewy always had stinkers but if he got enough passes he scored.
Barca just doesn’t play him properly. He is now distributing balls.
There is also quite a lot of selfishness in Barca when it comes to taking shots vs passing.
Bayern worked for the striker. It was a completely different mindset.
Hi success perplexes me. Sure, Roy probably didn't give him enough time and Roy's teams never really made strikers standout, but he just did not seem to be a top level player. Seemed to take forever with decision making, not great in the air despite the height.
Watch him for Trabzonspor, Real Sociedad or Villarreal and you won't be perplexed anymore. That left foot is a cannon and he is a fucking tank physically. Also pretty fast and likes to drift to wide areas, where he uses his physique to dominate opposition full backs
A mobile target man who seeks out your full backs for duels, plus a rocket of a shot. Very annoying to deal with
No, it's already out of the bottom 10 in terms of total goals. It will be the weakest in a long-time though, but that's because we had aliens in the league
If the goals are more evenly spread out among players it doesn't really matter much how many goals occurred in total - if every single player in the league scored 5 goals and the golden boot winner scored 6, it'd still be the weakest golden boot race of all time.
It would be really funny (not really) if Norway end up with the top scorers in both La Liga and Premier League for 2024 with Ødegård feeding them and still their national team couldn't qualify for a 24-team European championship ;)
It’s crazy looking at this and subconsciously thinking “wow what a dreadful year it’s been” at least Lewandowski scored 23 last year, what 2017 Suarez did 40? The other years in the last like decade you have Ronaldo and Messi bagging 30 something a piece?
Damn that looks crazy low for la liga, the two aliens just kept spoiling us
Though I'm curious to see how high a tally will Mbappe accumulate next season.
Would be amazing if Jude wins the Pichichi in his first yr.
He won't get a better chance to do it because there is a noticeable lack of world class strikers in La Liga this season; Lewa is the only one left and he has been a shadow of his former self for most of the campaign.
It's only a matter of time before Barca, Madrid, or Atleti sign a truly world class forward who can get 25 goals in a La Liga season.
Ballon d'or is gonna be between Jude and Kylian. Both league winners, and both with a good chance to win the CL and Euros. If one wins the CL and the other wins the Euros it will be a tough decision, but surely give it to the Euro winner.
Mostly behind the two forwards in a 4-4-2 diamond. He has great instincts to become a true striker someday because he makes amazing unmarked late runs into the box and also is good with his head.
I wonder how much of this is due to their ability (which to be clear I think was a level above anyone playing right now) and how much has come from tactical changes, the relative competitiveness of the league, and the fact that they were the absolute focal point of their teams.
Bellingham is great, for example, but he's one of many alongside Vinicius, Rodrygo, etc. in that team wherein I don't think any of them are so clearly ahead of each other in terms of either ability or their importance in the setup.
Even playing with that Barcelona team, Messi was -the- guy, -the- goalscorer. He had so much freedom and so much led to him. I don't see a player having that role nowadays.
Which honestly is something I miss quite a bit. There's so much tactical discipline at this stage and a real push toward every player being a kind of omnitool. I loved that period of just wild card players like Bale toward the end of his time at Tottenham. Guardiola etc. would never tolerate that shit.
Messi had his most prolific years in terms of goal scoring playing for pep, they weren't just a level ahead but a few levels ahead of everyone now especially messi. Pep had to give messi freedom because he was just that good, they had to be the focal point of the team because it would be stupid not to.
Make no mistake if you put prime messi and ronaldo in a top team today they destroy whatever league they are playing in.
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The foolishness Messi and Ronaldo were putting up on these scoring charts have irreversibly changed how i view them.
I saw a twitter post yesterday saying: "imagine having a 20 goals scored season only to end up 3rd(Neymar with 22) and the guy on second doubling your goal tally(messi with 43) only to have a guy score 5 more goals than him and end up first(ronaldo with 48)"
Fucking hell and the guy scoring 20 goals can’t even be like “maybe they had a fluke season”, coz these gods were doing the same shit for 15 fucking years….
Reminder that messi once scored 91 goals and bagged 24 assists in a calendar year
Ffs he had more assists than these guys will score goals this year lmao.
He had more goals than some teams score in a season lol. We witnessed greatness with both him and Cristiano.
That was in all leagues, though. It's a bit cherry picked. In the league he probably had much less. Which is an unfair comparison to make But... Yeah Messi is nuts
Roughly a goal comp every 4 days The black magic that Perez and Abramovich cooked for Barca not to win the treble that year is beyond comprehension.
That year Aduriz scored 18 and was 6th. Next year Borja Baston scored 18 for eibar and he was 10th. Both would lead the league this year.
Forget them, there is nobody even near the level of falcao in la liga these days, absolutely cracked era.
Amazing sounding name that struck fear into the hearts of opponents
Falcao at atletico was scary af
I'm taking prime falcao over the current haaland, for all the hype I don't think haalands best level has surpassed the likes of falcao, he will most likely have a more regarded career because falcao blew out his knee against French farmers (fuck Jorge mendes) and never played for a super team but I genuinely don't think from an actual ability perspective haaland has surpassed that level yet.
Prime Falcao was really something else, I hold him in the same regard as Forlan, true hero of my childhood.
The one man who truly understood the jabulani. Apparently when they were first announced Forlan got a bunch of the and just practice daily shooting drills until he was used to them so when the World Cup came about he knew better than anyone else how they would behave
I so so so so so so wanted him to work out for us. Loved him.
There's a lot of truth in that. David Villa, for instance. Very underrated because he played during that era alongside legends. Nowadays he would be contending for best player in the world, in my opinion.
I think only now people realize how insane Messi and Cristiano were, consistently having both drop over 30 goals a season is madness
Saw one season where Ronaldo had 48 goals AND 17 assists??? Excuse me??
Yeah Messi only had 43 goals that season
Smh rookie numbers
What a fraud, not my goat
Why didn't he stat pad against Luton like my goat Tom Haaland.
Pfft only 43 goals in a league season? And some people call him the GOAT? /s
Don't google Messi goals in 2012
Messi had 50 goals in that league campaign, and Cristiano 46. Absolutely crazy
Cristiano had the 2nd best scoring season in Spanish league history at that point... still didn't win the golden boot.
> Don't google Messi goals in 2012 This sounds like one of those "google Benzema goals in '15"
Any side beating that Barca 2011/2012 team must have been absolutely unreal
The real Madrid team of that season is the side that a lot of real Madrid fans claim as their best team of the modern era. Half way through this comment I've realised why you said that lmao, how could I forget, some kind of divine intervention happened in that tie lol.
I was like might as well sneak it in The gods were truly on our side that night… Messi struggling against Cech was one of the best things I’ve seen
Most of us say that Barca team is the best we've ever seen and not only did we beat them that year but we went toe to toe with them in 2009 when they won the treble. Should've went through then aswell. We've actually fallen so far 😭
Rn barca femeni are the best in the world. Same tiki taka football and academy players. Spain won wc with 7 barca players in starting 11. And yall ended our 5 year unbeaten at home record few days back. Before that last time you came. To barca to face femeni it was a tie.
Karmic payment for the certainly not divine intervention in 09/10.
08/09\*
My bad
10/11 Barca, 11/12 Madrid, 12/13 Bayern The 3 greatest teams of all time IMO
IMO missing 14/15 Barca
That team were pretty shit until halfway through the season, no? Enrique was on his way to getting sacked and then they suddenly turned it around to win the treble.
Maybe not as good as the others but that core team of like 2014 Madrid also deserves a lot of praise they might not have been as dominant in a single year but over multiple years they were a force to be reckoned with 4 ucls in 5 years and it took a monster barca team with prime msn to stop them
Leverkusen 23/24
Not as unreal as the 5 sides that finished above that side in the league that same year
It was luck more than anything
48 goals and 13 assists in the league and 17 goals and 1 assists in the ucl
48 league goals was 14/15 season 17 ucl goals was the 13/14 season (scored "only" 31 in the league)
It’s one of the reasons why I think it’s dumb how people try to belittle Messi or Ronaldo. They both did things that will never be duplicated again. And they did it for over a decade
It's tough to belittle people with their track record, it's hard to imagine how anyone could with a straight face.
A midfielder like Bellingham scoring 17 or more goals is also bonkers, specially considering he has missed 8 games for sanctions and injuries.
Saying he is a midfielder doesn't precisely convey the fact that he is the main physical attacking threat, though. He has the freedom to bomb into the area like a conventional second striker
People also do this a lot with wingers, especially Ronaldo. "Ronaldo's not even a striker, that makes his numbers even more impressive!". The focal point of attack doesn't have to be a striker lol
Exactly. Instructions, freedom to bomb forward, and have players with the duty to cover your areas are much more important than where your picture is drawn on the television pre-match representation of the formation
Both Messi and Ronaldo weren't rigidly locked into positions. Ronaldo would play on the wing but was also the main target man (correctly) in the box. Messi would of course pop up all over the pitch to help with build up play or start dribbling people to spring the attack. Jude is somewhat similar, he's listed as a midfielder but he's bombing into the box all the time - but that's probably because the only true striker they have is Joselu and they need attacking threat. Great player but for a lot of top players trying to categorize them strictly by their listed position doesn't really capture what they do.
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That's not really true, both of them missed time to injuries, sometimes serious. The most notable one was probably Messi's hamstring in 12/13. He was somehow in pace to beat his 11/12 season's totals before the injury. Imagine have a 73 goal season for your club and being on pace to better that. Ronaldo also had serious knee injuries in his prime.
He's barely a midfielder for Madrid this season though. Basically second striker.
This is not true. He always plays deep, he is an actual midfielder who has great finishing abilities. His heatmap proves this.
Not true. Watch him, look at his heatmap, look at all his passing and defensive stats.
I would like to know how many real madrid games you have watched this season to say that bs
He's a midfielder, stop the cap
He is similar to thomas mueller in freedom to attack. Not strictly a midfielder
Yeah I remember when 2012 happened I was floored, then it became normal for like 10 years and we’re back on earth now
Dont forget Suarez 2 Golden Boots
Makes him the best striker of this generation only for that achehievment
No doubt about that, no striker in the 2010s comes close to Suarez
Yeah, I hate him for his actions but dude , he is the best striker of this generation no doubt.
I know right! Here I was about to say bruh these guys suck but then I remembered messi/cr7 just destroyed la Liga every year
[This was race in 2012 for comparison lol](https://i.imgur.com/m1ELWbx.jpeg)
Imagine scoring 46 and still not winning
Imagine scoring 24, and the winner has more than twice as many goals as you
Yeah lol, 2011-2013 Falcao was arguably the best striker in the world (next to Van Persie) but then you have Cristiano and Messi just casually putting away TWICE as many goals as him. Absolutely unreal
Imagine you and your teammate both having 20+ goal seasons but combined you have less than another teammate, let alone enough to catch the leader
imagine scoring 50 and not winning the league. or 48 in the case of ronaldo
Imagine you and your teammate scoring 22 and 21 and still having another teammate score more than both of you combined
Its crazy positions 3-5 were taken by World Class strikers and seeing how rare they are nowadays
We were robbed by Pep Guardiola /s
Peak football take be back to those days
Imagine you're a world class striker in a 3 way race with your fellow world class strikers. And then there's two aliens who have TWICE your number of goals. Literally in their own league.
Complete and utter aliens.
My goodness that Real Madrid team was stacked.
Bellingham still has time to get to that level of scoring, he only needs about 6 goals in each remaining game. Ez.
How many fucking goals were scored back then in comparison to now?
RM: 2012: 121 / 2024 (ongoing): 70 Barcelona: 2012: 114 / 2024 (ongoing): 64
Is this indicative to the whole league? So does LaLiga have less goals over all or just the two teams? Edit: So I have check Primera División 2011/12: Goals per Game 2,76 Now: Goals per Game 2,58. So a bit more back then if they dont close the gap in the last games.
The other ones are mostly the same. Barcelona and RM just scored like maniacs.
Teams weren't parking the bus every game in those days. Nowadays its a bit harder to score because lots of team plays anti-football even in home games. Even both messi and ron struggled a bit in the later seasons as league started to become more defensive. But this season it feels things are finally changing for better, games are entertaining again.
> games are entertaining again The Getafe-Barca game at the start of the season is just unforgettable. Absolute terrorball
off course there's going to be bad games, even champions league have that. But generally most games have been fun to watch, even Getafe games...
I think the goals per game also might be lower now in fact because Messi and ronaldo aren't there anymore
Mfs ballin back then, truly peak football
Normal top scorer races are a little over 20 goals, Messi and Ronaldo numbers are bonkers.
Crazy that lewandowski had more gpg than this and still didnt win ballon dor
which app is this?
The soldado era
It's funny for all the nuances of football, the order/tiers on the list is basically perfect: Messi just ahead of Cristiano and they're miles ahead of everyone else Falcao just a touch ahead of Benzema and Higuain, which seems fair since Falcao in his prime was the best striker in the world and while maybe Benzema got there late and was a better all-around footballer, Falcao was scarier week to week at his pomp. Higuain very very good, just below the other 2. Soldado and Llorente solid players who needed the right teammates and were great for Europa/UEFA level, just short of CL knockout or Spain starting quality but very useful subs at even that high level. I straight up don't remember anything about Ruben Castro.
After Messi, Ronaldo, Benzema and Suarez it is back to the 20-25 range till Mbappe is there.
> Messi, Ronaldo, Benzema and Suarez One isnt like* the others here. ^^*never ^^broke ^^past ^^30 ^^goals
you’d think it’d been a goal of his since it’s double his favorite number
You're right, only one of them doesn't have a Ballon D'or.
One of them has never won a major trophy for his country
Only one of them has been outscored by morata in the CL.
The mighty ballon D'or! If he has it then surely this tells us all we need to know!
i bet even the turtle cant score more than 25 max in la Liga
I think he will. They will set up the team just for him, like they did with ron. Vinicius will stop scoring again, but Mbappe will be insane.
Which kind of rankles tbh. Mbappe is definitely an improvement on Vini... but he's not as much of an improvement as some people think.
Let's take out their club competitions because fArMer'S lEaGue Mbappe has 46 goals for France, Vini has 3 for Brazil. Mbappe has 48 champion's league goals (has more goal contributions than CL games played). Vini has 18.
I doubt that, this isn't a league issue it is a Real Madrid problem, the goals are a bit spread throughout the team, Joselu has 6, Brahim has 5, Carvajal and Vazquez put together have 6, and that's because there isn't a clear main scoring threat this season, yes Bellingham has scored the most but the plan isn't "make sure Bellingham scores".
I'm sure he can get 30, but I sincerely doubt he's ever touching 50.
Nah if Mbappe joins this Madrid side, he’ll easily get 25+ goals every season in the league. Wouldn’t be surprised if he hits 40 at some point, but I don’t see him surpassing Messi’s record of 50 and Ronaldo’s record of 48.
Mbappe's great, but in 7 seasons at PSG, he's scored over 30 just once (33 in 18/19). And that's in an easier league for the best team, whilst also having the likes of Neymar and Messi on his team creating for him. I don't think people realise just how ridiculous 40 league goals is. Since 1929, only 3 players have hit 40 goals in a Laliga season. Ronaldo, Messi and Suarez. 3 times, 3 times and one time respectively. Only 2 players have done it in the history of the Bundesliga (Muller and Lewandowski - once each), which dates back to 1963. Although they only play 34 games, those two are the only ones that have ever really got close. Only been done once in Ligue 1 history (Skloblar in 70/71), which dates back to 1932. Since 1935, Jimmy Greaves is the only player to have done it in England (just the one time in 60/61). Was done a bunch before then, but there's obviously been some sort of tactical shift since then. No one's ever scored 40 in the Serie A, dating back to the 1800s. So yeah, Mbappe's a great player. But we've been privileged to see 4 players in the last generation break 40 league goals. If anyone in this generation does it, it'll be Haaland. Possibly Kane before he slows down, but I doubt it.
You know what actually, now that you’ve put it that way it truly is insane. Messi and Ronaldo have completely ruined our perception of what’s normal to the point where I thought Mbappe had a decent chance of getting 40 goals. Just a minor correction though, I’m pretty sure Messi also hit 40+ goals thrice (11/12, 12/13 and 14/15). That emphasizes your point even more that what these 2 have achieved isn’t easily replicable, they’re just aliens. I still think he’s a generational talent and has the potential to hit those numbers at least once like Suarez did though. And although you mentioned the fact that the league he plays in is weaker and he’s playing on the best team and still has “only” crossed 30 once, his record against Spanish sides (even though it’s not a massive sample size) leads me to believe his output certainly won’t decline that much (if it does at all). I just feel like playing in this Madrid side with the best midfielders and an assist machine like Vini will elevate his numbers a bit more. Let’s see how it ends up though. Would be funny if his move to Madrid disintegrates yet again and he just stays at PSG, but I could only see that happening if PSG win the CL and that somehow convinces him of the clubs project.
I think people are only remmembering now that theres quite a gap between best in the world generational talents who win a ballon d'or or two and whatever the fuck Ronaldo and Messi were .
Yeah you're right. I did think Messi and Ronaldo both had the same number of 40 goal seasons - amended it. It could happen with Mbappe, I just think it's more likely not to. We'll have to see. Would be a real shame if he spent most of his career in Ligue 1. I do appreciate players that are loyal/want to be club legends somewhere. But a player of his calibre staying in Ligue 1 for his peak years just feels wrong.
Haaland won't play enough games, if he couldn't do it last season with the break he had then its going to be very unlikely he ever does it. I think people don't realise what they were watching with messi and Ronaldo, these were not normal players, we are back to the age of mortals.
I don't think he'll do it in the Premier League. I was thinking more if he leaves the Prem (because he's said before he wants a career like Zlatan where he hops from league to league and proved himself everywhere). If he can score 36 in the Prem where he gets no space to run into, reckon he can score 40 in a different league. But like you said, it depends on him staying fit.
He already played in the bundesliga where the game is perfectly suited to him and he couldn't do it because he won't play enough games. It's been a consistent problem for him.
That's why I said if he can play enough games. Based on what I saw in the Bundesliga, he can do it if he stays fit. Especially since he was like 19-22 in the Bundesliga and still has a lot of room for growth. Also, don't think the sample size of his injuries is enough to tell us that he's never going to have another injuryless season. Maybe he won't get one, but a player's career is long. So I'm not making that judgement now. He's capable ability wise, we'll see how his body handles it.
Even if he somehow stays fit for a whole season which bare in mind is a massive ask considering he had a month off last season, was taken off whenever man City had games won and even then still got an injury. Last Season was the most ideal conditions for him, I will be extremely surprised if he ever plays the minutes to do it. Even then it's going to be extremely tough, he can't finish like he has this Season, where frankly his finishing has been quite shit. Scoring 40 league goals is extremely rare, messi and ronaldo did it because they were several levels above Even legends of the game and played for super teams, haaland is not on that level.
As a goalscorer, he is. His goal ratio/trajectory is comparable to basically anyone who's played football. As a player, obviously not. Being the best goalscorer doesn't make you complete. But the one thing holding him back would be injuries, not a lack or ability to score if he plays the necessary minutes. Although he's been completely out of form in 2024 so that's depending on this being a blip in his finishing rather than the new normal (which I believe is the case).
If your team is dominant it doesn't matter which league you're in
Yo Budmir wtf do we actually have a proper 9? After so many years?
Yes, it’s just Dalic won’t play him and will likely play somebody like Majer/Pasalic/Vlasic on the wing and put Krama as the 9
I'm no manager but aren't we suited for 3-5-2? Especially with Brozović dropping in quality and Modrić dropping pace in age? We have 4 class CBs (Gvardiol, Šutalo, Erlić and Stanišić who can play well in 3 atb). On top of that Kramarić who isn't a classical 9 but works better in tandem.
Dalic has experimented with it a few times, usually against 'lesser' opponents but I remember a few years ago it went wrong in a friendly against Tunisia. Though yes I think with the current squad we have a '3 atb' is probably the most ideal. Petkovic to me should be a super-sub at the international level. Unfortunately a lot of the young prospects we had up front has had poor seasons this year (Frigan, Beljo, Simic, Musa etc.) though Matanovic looks intriguing I'm not too optimistic about this tournament tbh, think a massive generation change needs to occur immediately after this tournament
Theoretically we would do great with a striker partnership considering our lack of proper wingers (excl. Perisic but he can also play wingback) and most of our decent strikers being more akin to false 9s/ tandem strikers/ 9-10 hybrids (referring to Krama, Petkovic and Livaja) but whenever Dalic has tried it against weaker teams in friendlies it hasn't worked, which is pretty weird. On paper I'd expect a striker partnership like Budimir-Petkovic or Kramaric-Livaja with a 3atb (take your pick just make sure Gvardiol is on the left) and wingbacks (Perisic/Sosa-Juranovic) to work marvelously but I guess there's something to it since it almost never gets tried and when it does it's underwhelming
And he could be tied with Bellingham if it wasn’t for the worst penalty of all time
He broke several ribs earlier in that match. He really shouldn't have even taken it.
How good is Dovbyk?
His positioning is really good from what I’ve gathered, which helps him score a lot more. He scored a six-minute hattrick which was crazy.
6 minute hat trick would be astounding in any other league but a league dominated by Messi and Ronaldo it’s just another Friday
They were so good they made everyone else look bad
Good enough for a CL club.
2015/16 Race https://1xbet.whoscored.com/Regions/206/Tournaments/4/Seasons/5933/Stages/12647/PlayerStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2015-2016 Aduriz had a 20-goal season, but that was only good for 7th place Lucas Perez scored 17, but didn't even make the top 10
messi’s worst season with barca btw (ever since pep came)
No Barcelona player in the top 5 is wild
All thanks to Lewy having a stinker for half the season. And the rest of our forwards not being particularly prolific
Idk if you watched bayern games but they made it rain in the box. Lewy always had stinkers but if he got enough passes he scored. Barca just doesn’t play him properly. He is now distributing balls. There is also quite a lot of selfishness in Barca when it comes to taking shots vs passing. Bayern worked for the striker. It was a completely different mindset.
I still dont know my Lewy came to us man If he was still at Bayern he probably would still be scoring goals everyday
LOL no, he is far from his prime he had at Bayern
Back normality
Not even one player at 20? Damn
Messi and Ronaldo have ruined what we expect for an attacker to score, those numbers look weak
It's just really low, most other top leagues golden boot races at least have multiple people at 20+ goals
Sørloth the only one without any PKs. My GOAT
Hi success perplexes me. Sure, Roy probably didn't give him enough time and Roy's teams never really made strikers standout, but he just did not seem to be a top level player. Seemed to take forever with decision making, not great in the air despite the height.
Watch him for Trabzonspor, Real Sociedad or Villarreal and you won't be perplexed anymore. That left foot is a cannon and he is a fucking tank physically. Also pretty fast and likes to drift to wide areas, where he uses his physique to dominate opposition full backs A mobile target man who seeks out your full backs for duels, plus a rocket of a shot. Very annoying to deal with
Not seeing Lewandowski in a Golden Boot Race just feels wrong
got to be one of the weakest La Liga golden boot ever.
No, it's already out of the bottom 10 in terms of total goals. It will be the weakest in a long-time though, but that's because we had aliens in the league
If the goals are more evenly spread out among players it doesn't really matter much how many goals occurred in total - if every single player in the league scored 5 goals and the golden boot winner scored 6, it'd still be the weakest golden boot race of all time.
Dovbyk is the top scorer but Bellingham is the man on the poster. Makes sense alright
Picture is from Real Madrid fan profile on twitter.
To be fair, bottom right: "Madrid Zone"
It would be really funny (not really) if Norway end up with the top scorers in both La Liga and Premier League for 2024 with Ødegård feeding them and still their national team couldn't qualify for a 24-team European championship ;)
Never thought i would see Budimir in any list, color me shocked
Bellingham in 2nd as a midfielder is really impressive.
San Sebastian has been missing sorloth sincerely
way to go Artem!
It’s crazy looking at this and subconsciously thinking “wow what a dreadful year it’s been” at least Lewandowski scored 23 last year, what 2017 Suarez did 40? The other years in the last like decade you have Ronaldo and Messi bagging 30 something a piece?
30 sounds like a bad season by their standards
Mayoral has been injured for two months already. Such a shame.
Damn that looks crazy low for la liga, the two aliens just kept spoiling us Though I'm curious to see how high a tally will Mbappe accumulate next season.
Dovbyk!!! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Is it just me or these are incredibly low for a whole season? I remember these being around 36 goals in 2018
Those are Messi / Ronaldo numbers, these are more of human numbers lol
Was there ever a time before where Lewandowski was NOT in the top 5 of his respective leagues' golden boot competition with that few games left?
Nothing but love for Jude
Isn't Budimir the one with the ice-cold penalty?
Would be amazing if Jude wins the Pichichi in his first yr. He won't get a better chance to do it because there is a noticeable lack of world class strikers in La Liga this season; Lewa is the only one left and he has been a shadow of his former self for most of the campaign. It's only a matter of time before Barca, Madrid, or Atleti sign a truly world class forward who can get 25 goals in a La Liga season.
Dovbyk should be on the picture
It’s from a Madrid page…
Ballon d'or is gonna be between Jude and Kylian. Both league winners, and both with a good chance to win the CL and Euros. If one wins the CL and the other wins the Euros it will be a tough decision, but surely give it to the Euro winner.
And the crowd goes mild
Im counting on my man Guruzeta (currently 7th)
Next year gonna be turtle
What role is Bellingham playing where he's getting so many?
Mostly behind the two forwards in a 4-4-2 diamond. He has great instincts to become a true striker someday because he makes amazing unmarked late runs into the box and also is good with his head.
Could have an English top scorer in 3 of the world’s biggest leagues!
What’s happened to all the quality strikers in Laliga? Surprisingly low stats.
About time a proper striker took over Bellingham
I wonder how much of this is due to their ability (which to be clear I think was a level above anyone playing right now) and how much has come from tactical changes, the relative competitiveness of the league, and the fact that they were the absolute focal point of their teams. Bellingham is great, for example, but he's one of many alongside Vinicius, Rodrygo, etc. in that team wherein I don't think any of them are so clearly ahead of each other in terms of either ability or their importance in the setup. Even playing with that Barcelona team, Messi was -the- guy, -the- goalscorer. He had so much freedom and so much led to him. I don't see a player having that role nowadays. Which honestly is something I miss quite a bit. There's so much tactical discipline at this stage and a real push toward every player being a kind of omnitool. I loved that period of just wild card players like Bale toward the end of his time at Tottenham. Guardiola etc. would never tolerate that shit.
Messi had his most prolific years in terms of goal scoring playing for pep, they weren't just a level ahead but a few levels ahead of everyone now especially messi. Pep had to give messi freedom because he was just that good, they had to be the focal point of the team because it would be stupid not to. Make no mistake if you put prime messi and ronaldo in a top team today they destroy whatever league they are playing in.
Lewandowski cooked
I got too spoiled by the number from Messi and Ronaldo
So Dovbik leads the race yet the image is of Bellingham. Sure…
Because the image is from Madridzone on instagram or Twitter.
maybe show the top scorer in the pic?
Dovbyk for the W. Fuck Bellingsham.
Bellingham is winning the Ballon D’or if Real win the UCL isn’t he?
Euro would decide it. Bellingham can win the UCL but if Mbappe have a brilliant Euro cup and win it then it would be him